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unmoderated group comp.lang.java.3d

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.java.3d 3D Graphics API's for the Java language.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Jul 1999.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Dan Petersen <d...@eng.sun.com>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <da...@dogwood.com>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.java.3d

The Java programming environment is growing to encompass more and
more areas of computing. The current comp.lang.java hierarchy
consists of the following groups:
announce
beans
databases
gui (AWT, Swing)
programmer (Generic Java coding questions)
security
softwaretools

3D graphics is an important area of computing and there is much interest
in 3D solutions for Java. Much like there exists comp.lang.java.gui
to discuss user interface API's (be it AWT, Swing or some future API),
comp.lang.java.3d will be forum where various 3D API's (current and
future) can be discussed.

The comp.lang.java.3d group would fill out the current hierarchy
by creating a forum to discuss current and future 3D api's. Currently
these discussions are mainly going on in mailing lists with occasional
questions appearing in comp.lang.java.programmer. Having a single forum
would bring together these separate groups and make it easier for
new people to obtain information on 3D solutions for Java.

Due to its already high volume and the more generic nature of
the discussions, comp.lang.java.programmer is inappropriate for
discussions concerning 3D API's. Further, discussion regarding the
the pros and cons of particular 3D API for Java are inappropriate for
the comp.lang.java.programmer newsgroup.

In order to bring about a place where experts and novices can more
easily find answers to 3D programming problems in Java, discuss
the pros and cons of current 3D API's for Java and to get help on
using these 3D API's, a 3d newsgroup is proposed: comp.lang.java.3d.

There is a lot of interest in 3D for Java. A recent search at
<www.altavista.com> for the phrase "java 3d" turned up 7084 web
pages, while the phrase "java3d" was found in 57350 pages. A dejanews
search covering March 1, 1998 through March 31, 1999 on "java 3d" and
"java3d" found 63000 and 4200 entries, respectively.

Some of the topics that will be discussed in the newsgroup are:

The Java 3D API - a sun standard extension
The Java 3D API has generated much interest since its initial
early access release in March 1998. The Java 3D implementation was
first released to the public in December of 1998 for the Sparc/Solaris
and Win32 platforms. Since that time, the Java 3D download site
<http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/3D/index.html> has recorded
over 32,000 downloads.

The java3d-...@sun.com as well as the java3d...@sun.com
mailing lists contain roughly 2700 members. The java3d-interest
mail archive found at:
<http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/mail-archive/3D/index.html>
lists 2693 mail messages for the period starting October 1, 1998
through May 19, 1999. As the Java 3D API becomes available on more
platforms these numbers are sure to grow. For instance, Sun
Microsystems recently licensed the Java 3D API to Linux and an
initial port of Java 3D was shown at the recent LinuxWorld. The
public release of Java 3D for Linux should be available soon,
generating even more volume for the existing mail alias. Details on
this implementation can be viewed at:
<http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/jdk1.2-status/java-3d-status.html>
There are also unofficial implementations of the Java 3D API, such as
jFree-D <http://spia.freenix.fr/~jct/>.

OpenGL on Java 3D
OpenGL is popular 3D graphics API for PC's and workstations. Recently,
OpenGL ports to Java have been appearing, such as JavaGL
<http://www.cmlab.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~robin/JavaGL/> and OpenGL4Java
<http://www.oasis.leo.org/java/classes/graphics/OpenGL4java.dsc.html>.

Other 3D API's written for Java
On the "3D Engines List" site
<http://cg.cs.tu-berlin.de/~ki/3de_hard_java.html> is a list of 21 3D
engines written for Java.

CHARTER: comp.lang.java.3d

The comp.lang.java.3d newsgroup is for those wishing to discuss
3D API's for Java. Topics may include, but are not limited to:

Pros and cons of various 3D API's for Java
Programming help with specific 3D API's
Performance Issues
3D File Loaders
Integrating 3D into existing applications

While small bug or example programs will be allowed, the posting
of binaries is prohibited.

Announcements of new products or services related to 3D API's for
Java will be allowed.

Comp.lang.java.3d will not be moderated.

END CHARTER.

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Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo <da...@dogwood.com>
Voting address: vo...@dogwood.com

Dave Cornejo

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RESULT
unmoderated group comp.lang.java.3d passes 133:7

There were 133 YES votes and 7 NO votes, for a total of 140 valid
votes. There were 3 abstentions.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.java.3d 3D Graphics API's for the Java language.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Jul 1999.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions

RATIONALE: comp.lang.java.3d

CHARTER: comp.lang.java.3d

END CHARTER.


comp.lang.java.3d Final Voter list

Voted YES
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hilpold#swe.uni-linz.ac.at Thomas Hilpold
hg#dc.co.at herbert gartner
andrewh#ot.com.au Andrew Hayes
leonb#cs.curtin.edu.au Leon Blackwell
s9410041#cse.rmit.edu.au Ronnachai Chinowutthichai
Sunny.Leung#dsto.defence.gov.au Sunny Leung
cgoldfin#dot.net.au Con Goldfinch
dany.steyaert#ping.be Dany Steyaert
warrick#funsan.biomed.mcgill.ca Phil Warrick
mguenthe#netcom.ca Matthew Guenther
trevort#inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
warrick.wilson#virtek.ca Warrick Wilson
smoking357#aol.com Brian P. Sweeney
lhong#research.bell-labs.com Lichan Hong
kimdv#best.com Kim DeVaughn
fogazzid#bigfoot.com Daniele Fogazzi
gabby_davar#bigfoot.com Gabi Davar
Robert.Crispen#HSV.Boeing.com Bob Crispen
jklimm#cape.com John C. Klimm
roses#cape.com Dolores Scaldini Klimm
mfx#dasburo.com Markus Freericks
WmHBlair#dnai.com William H. Blair
julesd#erols.com Jules Dubois
mcclenon#erols.com Bob McClenon
frankgauthier#excite.com Frank Gauthier
carpente#execpc.com Vinit Carpenter
david#farrar.com DPF
javacafe#flashmail.com Vladimir Olenin
ckendall#fullsail.com Chad Kendall
skendall#fullsail.com Shawn Kendall
echan#harris.com Ellery Chan
jesp#hotmail.com Eugenio Sanchez
brian_griebe#hp.com Brian Griebe
james#islandtelecom.com James McConnell
mfrench#zycor.lgc.com Mike French
anselm.hook#mathengine.com Anselm Hook
olivier.fillon#mincom.com fillon</DIV></BODY></HTML>
dmgatti#mindspring.com Daniel Gatti
DNelon#MobileComm.com Demitrius Nelon
afellows#asc.corp.mot.com Andrew Fellows
hollyking#my-dejanews.com Brendan Van Horn
chriseb#nortelnetworks.com Chris Ebenezer
barry_walsh#oceaniccorp.com Barry Walsh
phil#panix.com Phil Gustafson
newt#pobox.com Greg Roelofs
artc#prism-cs.com Andrew R.=20
lbuck#randomwalk.com Larry Buck
FJLAN#statoil.com Frode Lande
OBER#statoil.com Oivind Berggraf
Daniel.Petersen#Eng.Sun.COM Dan Petersen
hood#Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood
Ken.Tallman#Eng.Sun.COM Ken Tallman
Kevin.Rushforth#Eng.Sun.COM Kevin Rushforth
Louis.Khouw#Eng.Sun.COM Louis Khouw
Michael.Deering#Eng.Sun.COM Michael F. Deering
Peter.Vanderlinden#Eng.Sun.COM Peter van der Linden
Rob.Posadas#Eng.Sun.COM Rob Posadas
Mark.Anderson#Sun.COM Mark Anderson
tims#surpac.com Tim Stevenson
jon#technicon.com Jon Barrilleaux
ry#teleport.com Ryan Gavin
mmh#tgs.com Mike Heck
dougob#the-spa.com Doug O'Brien
mayp#tibco.com Patrick May
mark#vizmo.com Mark J. Young
anand.bhatt#vsnl.com anand-bhatt
jds#webscope3d.com John Sutter
kjw#webscope3d.com Kevin Weiler
matt#webscope3d.com Matt Robinson
david.wales#westgeo.com David Wales
vrtaxi#yesic.com V.
ugoebel#awi-bremerhaven.de Udo Goebel
fzapf#benke.de Frank Zapf
Henrik.Behrens#FernUni-Hagen.de Henrik Behrens
neubauer#fh-ulm.de Juergen Neubauer
dieringe#zedat.fu-berlin.de Martin Dieringer
shecter#darmstadt.gmd.de Robb Shecter
christoph.wick#gmd.de Christoph Wick
peter.rohleder#gmd.de Peter Rohleder
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nurgle#gmx.de Andreas Micklei
weippl#gmx.de Edgar Weippl
kleiss#HDPP.de Klaus-Guenter Leiss
G.Veith#JANET.DE Gernot Veith
hoffmann#janet.de Marc R. Hoffmann
joerg#jvogel.de Joerg Vogel
sdold#metafinanz.de Stefan Dold
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stepjdcb#calvados.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE Stephan Michels
su1349#sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE Simon Fischer
jesse#prinz-atm.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De Roland Jesse
bouvin#daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
kaplan#cs.clemson.edu Alan Kaplan
plan#MIT.EDU Stephen E. Schweibinz
vender#plains.NoDak.edu Bradley Vender
carolee#expert.cc.purdue.edu Carolee Barker
rick#bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
escowles#gort.ucsd.edu Esme Cowles
ldorman#ucsd.edu LeRoy M. Dorman
huahaiy#umich.edu Huahai Yang
chaman#umr.edu Chaman L. Sabharwal
rufinus#mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus
billh#ssec.wisc.edu Bill Hibbard
svaittin#cc.hut.fi Sampo Tuomas Vaittinen
Harri.Kyllonen#vtt.fi Harri Kyllönen
letexier#bordeaux.cea.fr Paul LE TEXIER
tortue#cybercable.fr tortue
upton#lanl.gov Stephen C. Upton
Scott.Decker#pnl.gov Scott Decker
cschoppe#nal.usda.gov Charles Schoppet
rajeshg#gsslco.co.in Rajesh Gupta
robofly#bang.is Robert Vidar Bjarnason
matthewl#narc.affrc.go.jp Matthew Laurenson
jmh#gmx.net Jan Haar
godzilla#netmeg.net Les Schaffer
a.dawson#pmail.net Alex Dawson
jhouchin#texoma.net Jimmie Houchin
joedw#webtv.net Joe D Williams
jcantou#worldnet.net Jean Cantounat</FONT></DIV>
Ivan.Herman#cwi.nl Ivan Herman
jschimnowski#acm.org Justin Schimnowski
reighart#oclc.org Ray Reighart
acc#dei.isep.ipp.pt Antonio Cardoso Costa
pontus.jakobsson#enator.se Pontus Jakobsson
enstgr#bath.ac.uk Thomas Richards
C.Petermann#dcs.hull.ac.uk C. Petermann
mjh#cee.hw.ac.uk Malcolm J. Hutchison,2.22,x4162,None
rosa#cs.man.ac.uk Rosa =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=AA=20Mac=EDas?= Verde
R.P.Clement#westminster.ac.uk Ross Clement
Paul#willowsoft.demon.co.uk Paul Churchley
offshore#netcomuk.co.uk Andrew Moulden

Voted NO
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jeremymcm1#aol.com Jeremy McMillan
stainles#bga.com Dwight Brown
davidbath#bigfoot.com David E. Bath
gprrspw#mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
olav#viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
naddy#mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
denebeim#deepthot.aurora.co.us Jay Denebeim,home

Abstained
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chris#kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman
gjohnson#dream.season.com Gary Johnson
merlin#A470.demon.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees

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