How Come?????
GoldenChild
Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask me
that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought just
'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
with liking Genuine? Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
Aaliyah? Mya? Donell Jones? All these artists made dope albums, but yes,
they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
How come...
Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the picture
look bad.
How come...
When the club closes and you go outside, there's always niggas actin'
hard tryin' to find the herbest nigga in the parking lot. I'll tell you
why, because A.) Niggas think alchohol makes 'em tougher, when a sober
person would stomp out some drunk ass herb with a heart transplant. B.)
Niggas are sexually frustrated, no joke, they been dissed so many times
in that one night that they're ready to kill someone. C.) Jealousy. You
always see those trouble-maker niggas get inside of some bummed out ass
whip with no bitch in it, and usually no friends. I guess I answered my
own question...
How come...
You're not "real" anymore once you start doin' good for yourself? I quit
Best Buy by the way and got a much better job at a Marketing Firm,
making alot of money and dressin' in a suit and tie everyday and shit.
So, instead of goin' straight home I decide to hit up the block and see
whats goin' on. I'm outside of the barber shop just watchin' these
niggas roll dice and then niggas start askin' me to play and shit, and I
say no. Now, I just didn't wanna play because I have unbelievable luck
with dice and I really didn't wanna take nobody's money, on top of that,
there was some unfamiliar faces there and if I would've won then they
would try to play me like a herb and not give up the money just 'cause
I'm dressed like a pretty boy, and I would've had to throw down, and I
wanted to avoid that. So, I said no, and next thing you know niggas are
like "Damn son, what happened to you? You used to be ill, you used to
play the block everyday, you're supposed to be out here with us
everyday, not just whenever you feel like poppin' up and shit, then you
come up in here with a suit on and shit, the fuck happened to you son?"
I felt like sayin' "I got my shit together mothafucka, when you gonna
start comin' up?" But I just kept it cool and took the Mase route as
much as I hate to but it was necessary, "Stop hatin' son, I'm tryin' to
do my thing, you know I got a seed and shit, I can't be fuckin' wit'
ya'll out here everyday, I still check for ya'll though". Then this cat
starts goin' on and on about "Yo, where do you live now? I bet you don't
even live in the hood no more, blah blah blah, I bet you don't even rap
no more, blah blah blah, you didn't hoop with us all Summer, blah blah
blah". Some niggas will never see the big picture. I drove home playin'
Puffy on some "I'm the D to the A to the D-D-Y/ I know you'd rather see
me die than to see me fly". That shit is startin' to make alot of sense.
How come....
They don't make Labatts Blue 40's? And why do people think they're too
good for 40's now? Oh and also, how come when you drank too much and you
throw up, you only throw up the non-alchoholic shit you drank, like the
orange juice or the cola or whaveter, I never understood that.
How come...
Cam'ron has the funniest album of all-time and noone has mentioned it?
I'm not sayin' the album is dope by any means, but it's a fuckin' riot,
some of the shit he says is hilarious. He says the type of shit thats
clever and wack at the same time, and you know he thought of it and was
like "This might be wack, but fuck it", and he just threw it in there.
In a way I respect that.
How come...
It seems like since the WU dropped a double album last time, now it
seems like a single CD isn't gonna be enough for everyone to shine.
Also, this one doesn't have nearly as much hype about it, is that good
or bad? And is the single, "Protect your Neck pt. 3" any good?
How come...
Niggas think Jag's and Jettas are so ill? Whats so good about 'em? For
as much as you pay for one you can get somethin' for 8 G's less that'll
shit on a Jetta or Jag.
How come...
Chicks who don't give head (the few, the proud) act like it's absurd for
you to ask 'em for some brain surgeory? Please...like there's not a
Million other chicks that look, act, talk, and dress just like you that
don't give brain. Those girls that don't do it though are the best
because when you do convince 'em to do it (and you can pretty easily)
thats all they'll ever wanna do for about 2 weeks.
How come...
People don't realize that Exstacy is a form of Heroin and it's just like
doin' crack. (I wanna try it so fuckin' bad, I'm tryin' to convince
myself not to). Can anyone who has tried it tell me exactly how the high
feels, because I don't wanna ask anyone I know in real life 'cause they
want me to do it so bad that they'll lie and tell me it's 20x better
than it really is.
Just killin' time and shit. One.
Rikki O
GoldenChild <Legonda...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> Niggas think Jag's and Jettas are so ill? Whats so good about 'em? For
> as much as you pay for one you can get somethin' for 8 G's less that'll
> shit on a Jetta or Jag.
it's mostly girls i hear who jock jettas. i don't know why. and everytime
the new model comes along it already looks dated imo.
jags are alright though, and you don't see one nearly as often as you do a
benz or bmw so if you like the styling you appreciate it more.
Mr. Bass
Plus you got cats that don't know what the hell they are doing mixing up
some ish and killin' cats off jump. Plus they're starting to say that
ish an lead to certain types of brain and nerve damage.
Best bet is to stay off the shit all together.
Big Mike
"If you're on thin ice you might as well dance"
meenan
while it isn't really a form of heroin...heroin can be in the mix in some
way. It's actually a form of methamphetamine.
I did it way back (like, 95), anmd it's aiightt.....pretty dope. But,
really, I'd much rather spend my money on heinekens, etc. REALLY.
Plus, ecstasy fucks your head up....in the long run. I'm saying don't
try it. It's not a risk to try once, but you'll definitlely do it
again...and again...and that's the wack part.
Peace,
Meenan
>
> Just killin' time and shit. One.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Steve Jackson
> How come?...
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought just
> 'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine?
I've only liked two ginuine songs. And i'm not scared to admit "So
Anxious" was type nice.
> Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
> Aaliyah?
Aaliyah is much more credible since she parted with Mr. Kelly. I don't
own any of her lps but she gets props from me.
> Mya?
can't stand her voice, and her nose is scary.
> Donell Jones?
Wasn't feelin' him at first but his last two singles are making me think
twice.
> All these artists made dope albums, but yes,
> they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
> automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
> Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
Actually, you'll find alot of folks in here who don't like R&B period.
go figure. Trey and OT are the best sources from what I've seen.
> How come...
> You're not "real" anymore once you start doin' good for yourself? I quit
This isn't something new. Crabs in thebarrel. Misery loves company.
Name the cliche, it applies. see also Chris Rock's "Bring the Pain."
> How come...
> Cam'ron has the funniest album of all-time and noone has mentioned it?
if I was into thug rap that wasn't from Philly, I'da bought it. But I'm
barely into Philly thug rap so...
> How come...
> It seems like since the WU dropped a double album last time, now it
> seems like a single CD isn't gonna be enough for everyone to shine.
> Also, this one doesn't have nearly as much hype about it, is that good
> or bad? And is the single, "Protect your Neck pt. 3" any good?
haven't heard the new Wu stuff but I've heard cats talk about it. I
think RZA just likes to scare us sometimes and put out something we don't
expect and just be like "Y'all'll buy it." I finally got Supreme
Clientele. Cherchez La Ghost is still the jawn. Why is the chic who
sings the hook mad annoying yet fitting?
> How come...
> Niggas think Jag's and Jettas are so ill? Whats so good about 'em? For
> as much as you pay for one you can get somethin' for 8 G's less that'll
> shit on a Jetta or Jag.
Jags have come up since Ford took over their design. Of course, now they
all look like glorified Tauruses or some weird hybrid of Crown Victoria,
Taurus, and the Lincoln Ss but still. Jags used to be some hideous, wack
looking cars but Ford brought them out of that. By the way, went to
Ford's site looking for a vehicle for the misses. besides Lincoln,
Mercury, and normal Ford, they also have Jaguar, Aston-Martin, and like
some other cars that kida surprised me. I can't remember which. They
were all foreign. I wanna say Ferrari but don't qutoe me on that. I
just think that's mad crazy. It's bad enough Daimler has Chrysler, but
Ford's got dern near everyone else (is Daimler Benz or BMW?)
> Just killin' time and shit. One.
Two, three and to the Fo'. Sorry, me and my crew were trippin' of the
evolution of slang the other day.
--
Steve S. Jackson "Jazz"
(Poet, Philosopher, Instrumentalist, Video Documentarian, Jazzy Smurf)
s...@astro.temple.edu*|*sjac...@nimbus.temple.edu
http://thunder.temple.edu/~ssj
Droctane22
>way. It's actually a form of methamphetamine.
Nah the heroin mixing ish is bullshit...XTC its definitely the best drug
(meaning most pleasurable) I've ever done but afterwhile it doesn't do
shit....I suggest trying it once (and make sure you get the real shit) and
don't do it again because it ain't all that after the first time....After all
the other shit I've tried, I would have to say that weed is the best overall
drug
peace..
Ricky420
> How come?...
>
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought just
> 'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine? Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
> Aaliyah? Mya? Donell Jones? All these artists made dope albums, but yes,
> they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
> automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
> Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
all r&b is wack. i hate those punk motherfuckers singing about love and
sensitivity and shit. as soon as they're done they go backstage and slang
dick up in about 10 different hoes. like bill maher said, at least
rappers are honest about what they feel.
>
> How come...
>
> Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the picture
> look bad.
cause eminem does it. if em does it, then it must be cool.....right?
i'm sick of the em biters, not in the rap world, but the punks i see walking
around the mall. the bleach blond cats get clowned *hard* by the folks i
hang with. if you have the bleached hair, get rid of it. that shit ain't
cool. white kids look like shady, black kids look like faggot ass sisco.
it's cool to dig the music, but god damn, *please* be yourself
> How come...
>
> When the club closes and you go outside, there's always niggas actin'
> hard tryin' to find the herbest nigga in the parking lot. I'll tell you
> why, because A.) Niggas think alchohol makes 'em tougher, when a sober
> person would stomp out some drunk ass herb with a heart transplant. B.)
> Niggas are sexually frustrated, no joke, they been dissed so many times
> in that one night that they're ready to kill someone. C.) Jealousy. You
> always see those trouble-maker niggas get inside of some bummed out ass
> whip with no bitch in it, and usually no friends. I guess I answered my
> own question...
good call
i think jettas (and all other volkswagons) are for chicks. if you're a dude
driving a wagon, you need to have a long talk with yourself in the mirror
>
> How come...
>
> Chicks who don't give head (the few, the proud) act like it's absurd for
> you to ask 'em for some brain surgeory? Please...like there's not a
> Million other chicks that look, act, talk, and dress just like you that
> don't give brain. Those girls that don't do it though are the best
> because when you do convince 'em to do it (and you can pretty easily)
> thats all they'll ever wanna do for about 2 weeks.
>
> How come...
>
> People don't realize that Exstacy is a form of Heroin and it's just like
> doin' crack. (I wanna try it so fuckin' bad, I'm tryin' to convince
> myself not to). Can anyone who has tried it tell me exactly how the high
> feels, because I don't wanna ask anyone I know in real life 'cause they
> want me to do it so bad that they'll lie and tell me it's 20x better
> than it really is.
i've done a good amount of research on the drugs that i do. i've learned
that "ecstasy has heroin in it" is only a myth. dealers don't sneak heroin
into tabs, that's like mcdonalds sneaking an extra toy inside your happy
meal. people say that they put heroin in tabs to get you addicted to their
product. that's bullshit. economically,that wouldn't make sense. i have
read that they do cut tabs with dxm (found in cough syrup) and ketamine.
and ex IS NOT a form of heroin. heroin is an opiate. ex is an amphetamine.
i don't want to sound like a pusher, but i think you should try it once.
*make it special, though*. don't just do it because it's the weekend. do
it like on new years eve, or with your girl on the anniversary or birthday.
do it when your around the kids that mean a lot to you. it'll bring you a
lot closer and it'll be a pretty memorable event. if you have any kind of
will power, then it won't be hard to stay away from it. i have a harder
time leaving the bud alone than i do the tabs. some of these kids have no
direction and no sense and they go out and eat 10 tabs every weekend. that
takes away from the real special times that you have on ex........and it
makes you retarded.......and it puts a dent in your pockets. trust
me........it's cool to do if you can keep it in check. anybody else got
an opinion? EVERYBODY should check these sites if you have any questions
about drugs:
http://www.lycaeum.org/
http://www.erowid.org
Aztec-Assassin
: Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
: certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
: D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad.
I don't like much post newjack swing era r&b period. I don't like erykah
(except that southern gurl song) and those other ones you mentioned I
can't say I heard their stuff. macey gray? no thanks. I guess I like
D'angelo somewhat cuz he has musicians on his stuff. I like certain
singles (donnel jones w/ left eye) and I started to like Destiny's Child
even tho i used to tease my homie and call them Destiny's Abortion and
Destiny's Fetus. I wouldn't go all out tho and buy a contemporary r&b
album tho. Another big reason I don't check for current r&b is that I
ain't in love (crowd "ahhhs" in unison).
The big thing I don't like about current r&b tho is that it adopted
hip-hop production models. I mean i want my hip-hop to be hip-hop and r&b
to be some dude or gal backed up by a live band. It might be the recording
process nowadays too...I like that old warm analog tone of older r&b.
and another thing...
basically, I don't fell current r&b has much soul in it and that's why I
ain't feeling it.
but i listen to classib r&b and soul ALL the time
pce-out,
Aztec-Assassin
Rikki O
Steve Jackson <s...@tempest.ocis.temple.edu> wrote in message
> Jags have come up since Ford took over their design. Of course, now they
> all look like glorified Tauruses or some weird hybrid of Crown Victoria,
> Taurus, and the Lincoln Ss but still. Jags used to be some hideous, wack
> looking cars but Ford brought them out of that.
i'm not the biggest fan of jags but i actually find them less appealing now
that ford is becoming an obvious (if subtle) influence over their design.
they're slowly losing their mystique. but at least ford can help solve
reliability issues common to jaguar if they haven't already.
By the way, went to
> Ford's site looking for a vehicle for the misses. besides Lincoln,
> Mercury, and normal Ford, they also have Jaguar, Aston-Martin, and like
> some other cars that kida surprised me. I can't remember which. They
> were all foreign. I wanna say Ferrari but don't qutoe me on that. I
> just think that's mad crazy. It's bad enough Daimler has Chrysler, but
> Ford's got dern near everyone else (is Daimler Benz or BMW?)
ferrari, mercedes and bmw have no affiliation with ford, but i say you get
your wife the aston martin!
Simon Lüthi alias Zaknafein
"GoldenChild" <Legonda...@webtv.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:4831-39E...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> How come?...
>
>
> How come...
>
> Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the picture
> look bad.
>
> How come...
>
> When the club closes and you go outside, there's always niggas actin'
> hard tryin' to find the herbest nigga in the parking lot. I'll tell you
> why, because A.) Niggas think alchohol makes 'em tougher, when a sober
> person would stomp out some drunk ass herb with a heart transplant. B.)
> Niggas are sexually frustrated, no joke, they been dissed so many times
> in that one night that they're ready to kill someone. C.) Jealousy. You
> always see those trouble-maker niggas get inside of some bummed out ass
> whip with no bitch in it, and usually no friends. I guess I answered my
> own question...
>
Your so right !
Because they are to fucking lazy to move theyre ass and get a job !
>
>
>
> People don't realize that Exstacy is a form of Heroin and it's just like
> doin' crack. (I wanna try it so fuckin' bad, I'm tryin' to convince
> myself not to). Can anyone who has tried it tell me exactly how the high
> feels, because I don't wanna ask anyone I know in real life 'cause they
> want me to do it so bad that they'll lie and tell me it's 20x better
> than it really is.
>
I live in Switzerland and I got the same view as you ........ most of these
niggas just tryin to act
as if they were cool as Ice but in real they are wack !
About extasy : Don't try .......... stay with mother nature and smoke a
joint !
Peace to you!!
spinsane
> > doin' crack. (I wanna try it so fuckin' bad, I'm tryin' to convince
> > myself not to). Can anyone who has tried it tell me exactly how the high
> > feels, because I don't wanna ask anyone I know in real life 'cause they
> > want me to do it so bad that they'll lie and tell me it's 20x better
> > than it really is.
>
> while it isn't really a form of heroin...heroin can be in the mix in some
> way. It's actually a form of methamphetamine.
i has nothing to do with heroin. I also haven't ever seen any research the
indicates heroin has ever been found in the mix in an ecstacy tablet.
the reason is simple economics. heroin costs more then MDMA, so they
wouldn't substitute it straight out. heroin costs way more as a
"filler" then any of the non-intoxicating substances in E pills, so you
won't find it as binder either. plus, heroin doesn't give effects in that
small of a dosage, so if it was there, you don't need to worry anyway.
although a lot of pills these days have DXM in them (the ingredient in
Robotussin, siizzup!), which when combined with MDMA seems to be causing a
lot of deaths.
> I did it way back (like, 95), anmd it's aiightt.....pretty dope. But,
> really, I'd much rather spend my money on heinekens, etc. REALLY.
> Plus, ecstasy fucks your head up....in the long run. I'm saying don't
> try it. It's not a risk to try once, but you'll definitlely do it
> again...and again...and that's the wack part.
MDMA use has been shown to cause brain damage, and more and more info
comes out all the time about its harmful effects on your
brain; significantly on the serotonin reuptake receptors or some shit,
which can lead to mood problems like depression.
to answer the first cats question though, the best way I've found to
describe ecstacy (in the "peak"), is imagine you've just done like an hour
or so of hard paced aerobic exercise then you stopped and got that
"high". the "runner's high". thats pretty close to what ecstacy feels
like, albiet for a longer time 4-8 hours. both exercise and ecstacy
release serotonin in your brain, so thats understandably a pretty good
analogy.
people say it feels like "a long orgasm". I don't think so. the feeling
isn't like an orgasm by itself, frankly it feels better. a long night of
love making can lead to a better feeling though, although I'm not sure of
the chemical reasons for this. you know, like a 3 hour love fest where
you end up feeling completely disoriented at the end... thats better than
ecstacy, BUT CERTAINLY WAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WORK! take the
pill and masturbate.
> Peace,
>
> Meenan
>
>
> >
> > Just killin' time and shit. One.
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
spinsane :: www.acid.org :: www.j00tel.net/~spinsane
"out drinking the robot... slizzard style"
Paul Nijmeijer
"Ricky420" <420...@excite.com> schreef in bericht
news:il8H5.93128$g6.40...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com...
>
> "GoldenChild" <Legonda...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:4831-39E...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >
> >
> > Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> > that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> > it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> > impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the picture
> > look bad.
>
> cause eminem does it. if em does it, then it must be cool.....right?
> i'm sick of the em biters, not in the rap world, but the punks i see
walking
> around the mall. the bleach blond cats get clowned *hard* by the folks i
> hang with. if you have the bleached hair, get rid of it. that shit
ain't
> cool. white kids look like shady, black kids look like faggot ass
sisco.
> it's cool to dig the music, but god damn, *please* be yourself
At least my blonde hair is real...And I don't have that stupid Em hairdo -
it's wack.
I knew all this. But then again, I live in Holland :)
Did you know that 80% of the E you get comes from Holland? Yep.
Peace, Vadik
tim schnetgoeke
<pho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I live in Switzerland and I got the same view as you ........ most of these
>niggas just tryin to act
>as if they were cool as Ice but in real they are wack !
to quote krs 1: " and now we've got white kids calling themselves
niggers..."
tim
k.orr
>like bill maher said, at least
> rappers are honest about what they feel.
Bill Maher also said that turntablism is not creative. Bill Maher has
said a lot of messed up things.
I'm out.
k.orr
k.orr
But I feel you, I normally don't comment no those things though. I
wouldn't have any finger strength to say anything else.
k. orr
Steve 'Flash' Juon
> Bill Maher also said that turntablism is not creative. Bill Maher has
> said a lot of messed up things.
I've literally begged ABC to let me come on the show and debate hip-hop
with him. I respect Bill Maher but he don't know sh*t about our thang.
Peace, Flash
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Trey Marbles
dj.flas...@pobox.com wrote:
> k_...@my-deja.com says...
> > Bill Maher also said that turntablism is not creative. Bill Maher
> > has said a lot of messed up things.
>
> I've literally begged ABC to let me come on the show and debate hip-
> hop with him. I respect Bill Maher but he don't know sh*t about our
> thang.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Flash. I've seen several
hip-hop artists and personalities on Politically Incorrect and they've
come close to embarrassing me. I always end up thinking that I could
argue that point or explain this concept 100 times better.
Peace,
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Ricky420
"k.orr" <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> >like bill maher said, at least
> > rappers are honest about what they feel.
>
> said a lot of messed up things.
>
>
> k.orr
are you trying to say he was wrong when he said rappers are honest? you
think rappers respect women and only want a life long lasting relationship
with only one woman? wtf?
Trey Marbles
GoldenChild wrote:
> How come?...
>
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B
True...too many cats are into an image rather than talent. I have no
problem letting cats know that Mariah & Boyz 2 Men can outsing any
artists around right now. My thing is talent, whether its singing or
writing. Erykah's voice isn't really that impressive.
> How come...
>
> Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the
> picture look bad.
How stupid did Keyshawn Johnson look doing that to the press a few
weeks back. It just doesn't look that tough.
> How come...
>
> When the club closes and you go outside, there's always niggas actin'
> hard tryin' to find the herbest nigga in the parking lot.
I was the cat who would show up about 45 min. before the club closed
and try to scoop up some females.
> How come...
>
> You're not "real" anymore once you start doin' good for yourself?
Cats may be jealous or frustrated because they aren't doing as well.
Whether they're trying to make it or just living foul, they may not
like to see you get yours. I'm liking that line in R. Kelly's "I Wish";
"That's why fake-ass n*ggas get fake-ass digits and fake-ass players
get a real player hatin' them."
> How come....
>
> They don't make Labatts Blue 40's? And why do people think they're too
> good for 40's now? Oh and also, how come when you drank too much and
> you throw up, you only throw up the non-alchoholic shit you drank,
> like the orange juice or the cola or whaveter, I never understood
> that.
Haven't you ever thrown up nothing but clear liquid? Usually, that's
what happens to me on an empty stomach and I believe that's all alcohol.
> How come...
>
> It seems like since the WU dropped a double album last time, now it
> seems like a single CD isn't gonna be enough for everyone to shine.
> Also, this one doesn't have nearly as much hype about it, is that good
> or bad? And is the single, "Protect your Neck pt. 3" any good?
Hell, "Wu-Tang Forever" didn't give everyone enough time to shine.
Someone counted it off and GZA was on like 6-7 songs, ODB was on around
5 or something like that. The cats that we hear a billion times
already (Ghost, Rae & Meth) got all the airtime. Plus, how do you have
a double-album (30+ tracks) and release only 2 cuts?
> How come...
>
> Niggas think Jag's and Jettas are so ill? Whats so good about 'em? For
> as much as you pay for one you can get somethin' for 8 G's less
> that'll shit on a Jetta or Jag.
Jags are tight. That's luxury and class right there. I rode to
Mardi Gras (17 hours from Toledo, OH) with a chick in a Jetta and I
can't lie, it was a comfortable ride. I wouldn't ever buy one for
myself, but it's a reliable, nice ride.
> How come...
>
> Chicks who don't give head (the few, the proud) act like it's absurd
> for you to ask 'em for some brain surgeory? Please...like there's not
> a Million other chicks that look, act, talk, and dress just like you
> that don't give brain. Those girls that don't do it though are the
> best because when you do convince 'em to do it (and you can pretty
> easily) thats all they'll ever wanna do for about 2 weeks.
After 7 months, I just broke up with my girl. While we were
together, females were all over me, knowing I was taken and they didn't
care. Now, that I'm single again it's almost all dried up. WTF?
Women are so hard to figure out. But I've got a particular goal to
reach. Once I do, I'm giving up on the game.
T. Tauri
> > has said a lot of messed up things.
>
> hop with him. I respect Bill Maher but he don't know sh*t about our
> thang.
I find it hard to respect him on any subject.
Did anyone see Spike Lee, Tommy Davidson, Paul Mooney, and Michael
Rapaport giving him a hard time, though? I found that most entertaining.
Peece,
T. Tauri
Steve 'Flash' Juon
says...
> You took the words right out of my mouth, Flash. I've seen several
> hip-hop artists and personalities on Politically Incorrect and they've
> come close to embarrassing me. I always end up thinking that I could
> argue that point or explain this concept 100 times better.
Put you, k. orr, Kayal and mr. shittalker on that panel. By the time we
were done with Bill Maher he'd regret having ever knocked hip-hop to
begin with. :) I think the problem is that the hip-hop people invited on
PI have been there as "celebrities" and not as "scholars" or "experts."
We'd get a far more intelligent discourse if KRS-One or Kool Herc was on
the panel because they've got the background, history, and knowledge to
battle any idiotic think he says. I think Nelson George tried to defend
hip-hop on PI once, but got continually berated by Maher and gave up (I
don't think his heart was in it anyway).
Definitely though. I'd start a write in campaign to get you on the
panel; as a "citizen panelist" if not as a "hip-hop scholar and author."
So many people on this newsgroup could do it. OT, Steve Jackson,
FunkyStyle, nomadik, even Mike Burke. Lets get an RMHHer on the show.
Steve Jackson
> Steve Jackson <s...@tempest.ocis.temple.edu> wrote in message
>> just think that's mad crazy. It's bad enough Daimler has Chrysler, but
>> Ford's got dern near everyone else (is Daimler Benz or BMW?)
> ferrari, mercedes and bmw have no affiliation with ford, but i say you get
> your wife the aston martin!
Actually, I was asking if Daimler owned BMW or Benz. I know some years
ago they merged with Chrysler.
Steve 'Flash' Juon
says...
> After 7 months, I just broke up with my girl. While we were
> together, females were all over me, knowing I was taken and they didn't
> care. Now, that I'm single again it's almost all dried up. WTF?
> Women are so hard to figure out. But I've got a particular goal to
> reach. Once I do, I'm giving up on the game.
The theory is that it's self-confidence. When you're with a woman you
feel more confident because you "got yours" and it shows when you're
around other women - which makes you a better prospect than a herb who
doesn't believe in himself.
That's why women make men wear rings when they go to the club though.
It's supposed to ward off the other women who would hit on you. (I'm
sure I'm not saying anything you don't know, I'm just talking now.)
k.orr
> are you trying to say he was wrong when he said rappers are
honest?
I'm saying that Bill Maher doesn't listen to hip hop, and shouldn't be
speaking on it.
And for the record, rappers ain't honest and sometimes they are, it
depends on the case.
What Bill was trying to say, is that Hip Hop is honestly coming from
the male perspective. Forget all this love business, I just want some
head and a cooked meal. Again, he was trying to say that hip hop alone
said this, where as other genre's beat around the bush and pretty it
up.
you
> think rappers respect women and only want a life long lasting
relationship
> with only one woman? wtf?
I've heard enough mc's say it. Even the hardcore ones who on the next
song talk about threesomes with groupies. Jay Z's recent verse on Hey
Papi is a prime example of a multi-faceted player.
I don't think Bill Maher should really be commenting on something he
doesn't listen to.
peace
k. orr
BSE
>
> How come?...
>
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought just
> 'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine? Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
> Aaliyah? Mya? Donell Jones? All these artists made dope albums, but yes,
> they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
> automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
> Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
Word. Im with you on that. Pretentious R&B leaves me cold. I much rather
hear Donnell Jones, or Monica(Im a big monica fan) or even the new All
Saints(UK) single. If I want R&B its got to be smooth mackadociousness.
I realy liked "Girl you know whats up" cos it was like the ultimate
cliche R&B track. Just smooth slickness with a big old ego. goodness. Im
thinking about buying up all the poppy shit ive liked over the last two
years and havent bought. Sisqo on the otehr hand is wack as fuck.
> How come...
>
> Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the picture
> look bad.
But Eminem looks so rebellious when he does it!
> How come...
>
> People don't realize that Exstacy is a form of Heroin and it's just like
> doin' crack. (I wanna try it so fuckin' bad, I'm tryin' to convince
> myself not to). Can anyone who has tried it tell me exactly how the high
> feels, because I don't wanna ask anyone I know in real life 'cause they
> want me to do it so bad that they'll lie and tell me it's 20x better
> than it really is.
I done ecstacy once and it realy didnt do it for me. Thats mainly due to
circumstances. I was in a dance club with some non hip hop
friends(ex-friends now) and it got me all dancy and all that good shit
but I went out realy liking all the people round me and sharing loving
moments of communal happiness with my fellow man. Only after that did I
realise that I despised the people up in there and I dont want to be
liking chumps and flumps so next time i ever do an E Im gonna make sure
I'd actually LIKE to like all the people up in there.
BS
--
"Now that the world's been overcome by a pound of kick drums,
I gotta get mine, in not the next time, this one" - Siah (unretired)
http://www.ukhh.com
Knowledge for that ass!
Kevan
Mr. Bass <Knights...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25131-39...@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Fuck exctasy man. Too many cats end up out on that shit and d-e-a-d.
> Plus you got cats that don't know what the hell they are doing mixing up
> some ish and killin' cats off jump. Plus they're starting to say that
> ish an lead to certain types of brain and nerve damage.
>
E has never killed anyone. However there's a drug out called PMA that looks
like E and is usually passed off as it. It makes you trip and has killed
tons of people. There's an organization called DanceSafe that tests them and
they've never come across Coke or Heroin in the pills. But yeah it does fuck
up your seratonin receptors after excess use. It's best not to eff with it
like you said. But if they try it a couple of times it's not as bad as they
say. But yeah it's still bad.
Kevan
Kevan
Kevan
Kayal
dj.flas...@pobox.com wrote:
> In article <8sksie$b59$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jhar...@pop3.utoledo.edu
> says...
> > You took the words right out of my mouth, Flash. I've seen
several
> > hip-hop artists and personalities on Politically Incorrect and
they've
> > come close to embarrassing me. I always end up thinking that I
could
> > argue that point or explain this concept 100 times better.
>
> Put you, k. orr, Kayal and mr. shittalker on that panel. By the time
we
> were done with Bill Maher he'd regret having ever knocked hip-hop to
> begin with. :) I think the problem is that the hip-hop people invited
on
> PI have been there as "celebrities" and not as "scholars"
or "experts."
> We'd get a far more intelligent discourse if KRS-One or Kool Herc was
on
> the panel because they've got the background, history, and knowledge
to
> battle any idiotic think he says. I think Nelson George tried to
defend
> hip-hop on PI once, but got continually berated by Maher and gave up
I went to a dinner on Sat and ended up sitting next to a cultural-
studies type guy who was writing on fan response to Eminem's lyrics. I
liked the guy, and I felt like even though he didn't know much about
hiphop, he was at least trying to take an approach that was sensitive
to artistry, complexity, ambivalence, irony, etc, and he wasn't going
in with the pre-judgements of that college teacher I shredded in here a
while back.
Anyway, he asked me to se him a list of useful things to read about
(reading) hiphop, and outside of a couple of magazine articles, I don't
know what to put on there. I guess Tricia Rose's Black Noise. Does
anyone have any recommendations?
I've also been thinking about what topics I would want to read about.
This guy's focus is on homosexuality, I'm sure because he's gay, which
is ok, I guess, except I'm so bored of academics talking about gender
and homosexuality in hiphop lyrics--it seems totally out of proportion
to the actual importance of these subjects within hiphop, and seems to
just be a cue for them to get pompous and condescending. I'd
definately be much more excited in reading something about metrics or
genre or how the form has been shaped by technology.
For many years now, I've been threatening a magazine editor friend that
I'm going to send him my manifesto about hiphop criticism--what is
wrong with what's around and what it should be like, from academia to
Newsweek. So what do heads want to see? Forget about Newsweek saying
stupid/skewed things, what are the topics within hiphop that are not
getting addressed at all?
Kevan
> > rappers are honest about what they feel.
>
> said a lot of messed up things.
>
I like when he said "present-day blacks should be grateful for slavery" -
that changed my entire opinion of him. I guess honesty is his best quality,
shouldn't be too hard to figure out his worst.
Kevan
> I'm out.
>
> k.orr
dula
> How come?...
>
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask
me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought
just
> 'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine? Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
> Aaliyah? Mya? Donell Jones? All these artists made dope albums, but
yes,
> they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
> automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
> Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
Agreed. It's really some endorsement type shit, like 'Yo, the Roots
did a joint wit son, his shit must be nice!' but 'So-and-so sang the
hook on that Nas single, I ain't fuckin wit him!' Most rap niggas are
sheep when it comes to giving a fair ear to artists outside their
little hip-hop niche. Personally, my moms came up on that
Patti/Aretha/Gladys/Marvin/Stevie/Temptations tip, and pops is a jazz
head, so i heard a lot of different shit coming up. I meet lots of
cats that front on all r&b, and i'm like, y'all niggas know damn well
you grew up on that shit. Now, honestly, I can understand it when
white cats front on r&b cause i mean, you didn't grow up hearing it,
you think it's lame, whatever. I feel that, but the brothers should
know better. And true, that Jill Scott joint is 7 days, straight up.
I mean, it's not horrible, but it ain't hot like niggas make it out to
be. She just fits that vibe, like you said, it's cause she got some
live instruments in her shit and she rock a bugged out Macy Gray ass
afro. Muhfuckas act like a bitch wit a perm can't be earth. And
speaking of live bands, how come niggas act like every live band is
dope? It's just the concept of a live band makes niggas dickride
automatically. A lot of these 'neo-soul' cats got some shitty ass
bands. And i heard that cat Bilal from Com's joint sing live...nigga
was AWFUL.
> How come...
>
> When the club closes and you go outside, there's always niggas actin'
> hard tryin' to find the herbest nigga in the parking lot. I'll tell
you
> why, because A.) Niggas think alchohol makes 'em tougher, when a sober
> person would stomp out some drunk ass herb with a heart transplant.
B.)
> Niggas are sexually frustrated, no joke, they been dissed so many
times
> in that one night that they're ready to kill someone. C.) Jealousy.
You
> always see those trouble-maker niggas get inside of some bummed out
ass
> whip with no bitch in it, and usually no friends. I guess I answered
my
> own question...
Yeah, me and my boys discussed this before. It's like, the nigga that
starts the fight, 9 times out of 10, is an ugly muhfucka, that's my
word. I mean, when I'm in the club, I ain't tryna do shit but sip,
shake my ass and bag the illest piece up in there. Fightin a nigga is
furthest from my thoughts. It's ALWAYS the no-pussy-gettin cats that
tryna act. And they're outside cause they ain't wanna pay the fee to
get in. I'm like, dog, I'm tryna get at skeeyo, why don't you go home,
put on your Ruff Ryder bandanna and jerk off to your Ja Rule poster.
Ugly nigga.
> How come...
>
Can't really relate. I'd say a good 90% of the niggas out my crew came
out the hood and are on some corporate type shit now. Although I must
say that I am number 1 out the crew when it comes to paper :) but we
are all doing pretty well, so jealousy isn't a factor. All I can say
is, and I know a few of y'all will feel me on this, I wouldn't trade
the way I came up for anything. It's like, when you come from the
ghetto, know all the block rules, codes of the streets, work hard and
then come up on some corporate type shit, can polly with the 'others',
know how to talk to whitey, get what you want from that nigga, and
still have the hood inside of you, still got your block credentials,
and can't come around the way without fear? That's some lovely shit
right there. Sitting at your desk in your office downtown, bumpin
M.O.P. on your headphones. I know some of y'all feel me.
> How come...
>
> It seems like since the WU dropped a double album last time, now it
> seems like a single CD isn't gonna be enough for everyone to shine.
> Also, this one doesn't have nearly as much hype about it, is that good
> or bad? And is the single, "Protect your Neck pt. 3" any good?
I remember hearing Forever and thinkin, where the fuck is GZA? I heard
this nigga is a straight up weedhead, and he doesn't really wanna do
shit but play chess all day. It's like, niggas gotta beg him to get in
the lab and lay some vocals down.
> How come...
>
> Chicks who don't give head (the few, the proud) act like it's absurd
for
> you to ask 'em for some brain surgeory? Please...like there's not a
> Million other chicks that look, act, talk, and dress just like you
that
> don't give brain. Those girls that don't do it though are the best
> because when you do convince 'em to do it (and you can pretty easily)
> thats all they'll ever wanna do for about 2 weeks.
I love when a broad tries to front on skull, like 'I don't be doin this
usually' but then when shorty gets down, she's a fuckin head pro! I
gotta laugh at that ass, like 'Bitch, who you foolin?!?' Straight up,
though, I've found that on some high school shit, it was much easier to
fuck than to get brain, hoes thought it was nasty, whatever, but
nowadays it's the complete opposite! I mean, it's bananas. Broads
will suck you off just cause they like your car, or your jewelry, gear,
whatever. A ho with a man will suck you off and feel in her mind that
it's not cheating! What type of shit is that? I'm telling you, I've
had broads that didn't even like me, that HATED MY FUCKING GUTS, give
me quality, 4 mic brain surgery. I don't get it. My theory anyway is
that all women, on one level or another, love to give head. It's like
the only sexual act where they feel like they're in complete control
and have all the power, even moreso than riding you. Most of the time,
I'd rather get head than bang anyway, so it's all good.
--
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Kayal
dula <dul...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Chicks who don't give head (the few, the proud) act like it's absurd
> for
> > you to ask 'em for some brain surgeory? Please...like there's not a
> > Million other chicks that look, act, talk, and dress just like you
> that
> > don't give brain. Those girls that don't do it though are the best
> > because when you do convince 'em to do it (and you can pretty
easily)
> > thats all they'll ever wanna do for about 2 weeks.
>
> I love when a broad tries to front on skull, like 'I don't be doin
this
> usually' but then when shorty gets down, she's a fuckin head pro! I
> gotta laugh at that ass, like 'Bitch, who you foolin?!?' Straight up,
> though, I've found that on some high school shit, it was much easier
to
> fuck than to get brain, hoes thought it was nasty, whatever, but
> nowadays it's the complete opposite! I mean, it's bananas. Broads
> will suck you off just cause they like your car, or your jewelry,
gear,
> whatever. A ho with a man will suck you off and feel in her mind that
> it's not cheating! What type of shit is that? I'm telling you, I've
> had broads that didn't even like me, that HATED MY FUCKING GUTS, give
> me quality, 4 mic brain surgery. I don't get it.
OK, I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Why would you have sex with someone
whom you felt hated your guts? Do you have self-esteem issues? Surely
you could find a girl who didn't hate your guts?
Steve 'Flash' Juon
> This guy's focus is on homosexuality, I'm sure because he's gay, which
> is ok, I guess, except I'm so bored of academics talking about gender
> and homosexuality in hiphop lyrics--it seems totally out of proportion
> to the actual importance of these subjects within hiphop, and seems to
> just be a cue for them to get pompous and condescending. I'd
> definately be much more excited in reading something about metrics or
> genre or how the form has been shaped by technology.
I remember the first time a collegiate professor asked me to justify why
I thought hip-hop was the best form of music I told her that it had a
higher word density per bar of music than pop or R&B. She was intrigued
and queried me; and I pointed out that most traditional "sung" music has
two or three words in the same amount of time a rapper would have spoken
slash "rapped" twenty or thirty. Then I pointed out that because of the
higher density rappers have more opportunity within that density to
address a greater range of subjects than traditional music. Expand apart
anything from KRS-One's "My Philosophy" to Ras Kass' "Nature of the
Threat" and you have a world of topics that are addressed and can even be
discussed (picked apart as many have been in here). Then I pointed out
how rappers intentionally vary the metric, vocal tone, and intonation of
their lyrics for musical variation and lyrical impact - just as a great
spoken word poet or singer would do. When I finished she was
sufficiently impressed and actually interested in hearing some political
and thought provoking rap artists. :) At that point I hadn't even
mentioned as you did how the forms of rap "music" have been shaped by
technology, which is a whole other derivation that can be spun off from
turntables to samplers to microphones and more.
> For many years now, I've been threatening a magazine editor friend that
> I'm going to send him my manifesto about hiphop criticism--what is
> wrong with what's around and what it should be like, from academia to
> Newsweek. So what do heads want to see? Forget about Newsweek saying
> stupid/skewed things, what are the topics within hiphop that are not
> getting addressed at all?
Within hip-hop, or within magazine criticism OF hip-hop? I wasn't quite
sure what you meant with this last paragraph considering how you lead it.
Rikki O
Steve Jackson <s...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu> wrote in message
> Actually, I was asking if Daimler owned BMW or Benz. I know some years
> ago they merged with Chrysler.
oh i got you. it's daimler-benz actually, and now also daimler-chrysler
after chrysler was bought out a few years ago.
Jason Baker
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"dula" <dul...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Dippi
>> > has said a lot of messed up things.
>>
>> hop with him. I respect Bill Maher but he don't know sh*t about our
>> thang.
>
>hip-hop artists and personalities on Politically Incorrect and they've
>come close to embarrassing me. I always end up thinking that I could
>argue that point or explain this concept 100 times better.
see, the problem is, the shows only a half hour long and everyone needs time to
talk, you think you could explain the signifigance of hip-hop culture as best
you like in 3 minutes, especially when someone like Darva Conger or "Super
Dave" keep butting in to tell you "I don't think they need to use that
language"
Bill Maher is an intelligent man, and can be taught. Hip-hop is just something
he's never been taught.
Dippi
Check for an album out whenever the fuck it drops
Dippi
Really? U sure bout that? Then why isn't my homegirl here sittin on my lap
right now, huh? Why muthafucka? If E aint neva killed no one, WHY THE FUCK IS
SHE DEAD? Serious, she died at a party of an e overdose... she was a tiny ass
girl and she took a pill, and hour and 15 minutes later it hadn't kicked in yet
so someone told her she must've gotten some bad or weak shit and to take 2 more
pills. Well, it kicked in soon and she was partying, until THE 2 OTHER ONE'S
kicked in and gave er a fuckin heartattack. MDMA can kill people muthafucka...
Shirre
"GoldenChild" <Legonda...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4831-39E...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
>
> Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible. I think niggas heard that song and thought just
> 'cause it's that type of sound they HAVE to like it. Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine? Both his albums were FRESH, whats wrong with
> Aaliyah? Mya? Donell Jones? All these artists made dope albums, but yes,
> they were commercial, of course they were, but why does that
> automatically make 'em no good? Just 'cause you don't like commercial
> Hip-Hop doesn't mean you can't like commercial R&B.
Know what you mean... though I don't identify with it since I own Aaliyah's
album and dig that Mya remix with Jigga and loved Donnel Jones ft. Left
Eye.... Honestly I'd say I'm probably THE most open minded person I know in
real life when it comes to music.. I'm all over it... whatever genre,
underground, commercial etc....
Kayal
dj.flas...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> > For many years now, I've been threatening a magazine editor friend
that
> > I'm going to send him my manifesto about hiphop criticism--what is
> > wrong with what's around and what it should be like, from academia
to
> > Newsweek. So what do heads want to see? Forget about Newsweek
saying
> > stupid/skewed things, what are the topics within hiphop that are not
> > getting addressed at all?
>
> Within hip-hop, or within magazine criticism OF hip-hop?
Mmmmmm. So what does hiphop criticism within hiphop consist of?
--announcing moral imperatives (e.g. dead prez's bigger than hiphop)
--a calling out of wackness
--a calling out of "non" realness
What else?
Within academia and magazine criticism, I guess I'm struck by the fact
that the work that's being produced is so rarely of any interest/use to
people who *like*/are knowledgeable about hiphop. To my mind there's
something wrong with a criticism which never meets the needs of heads.
I mean, I can't imagine anybody in here craving to read this guy's
paper on Eminem's fans and homophobia. OK, so what is it people do
want to read? I mentioned some of my interests, a tracing of genre
being foremost. What else?
TJ Xenos
>They don't make Labatts Blue 40's? And why do people think they're too
>good for 40's now? Oh and also, how come when you drank too much and you
>throw up, you only throw up the non-alchoholic shit you drank, like the
>orange juice or the cola or whaveter, I never understood that.
>
>
Those are a lot of good questions, but i dont fuck with 40s much anymore coz i
dont fuck with booze much anymore, tho im fienin for some cider, coz thats my
shit. If they made cider in 40s id be on that shit all the time. Ima needa get
me some 32s of cider f'real. Anyway about the question about throwing up the
other shit, fuck, i donno, but you know youre in trouble when you quit drinking
the booze and hit the h2o to help prevent the hangover and that shit starts
coming back up. If you throw up water you know your in trouble.
T.J. Xenos
xen...@student.wit.edu
"Even her baby daddy say the pussy aint what it used to be"
"im about to save hiphop like ghost did the wu"
"I turn pretty boys into craig mack"
"your crew is wack like chocolate Reese's"
Mike Burke
news:MPG.1457bd563...@news.netins.net...
> Definitely though. I'd start a write in campaign to get you on the
> panel; as a "citizen panelist" if not as a "hip-hop scholar and author."
> So many people on this newsgroup could do it. OT, Steve Jackson,
> FunkyStyle, nomadik, even Mike Burke. Lets get an RMHHer on the show.
>
Nah, I'm too afraid of public-speaking to do a good job on TV. I could
argue with him backstage really good, though. :-) I think an ideal panel
would be you, Kari, OT and Spirit.
--
Mike Burke
Mike Burke
news:39EDFC...@worldnet.att.net...
> Did anyone see Spike Lee, Tommy Davidson, Paul Mooney, and Michael
> Rapaport giving him a hard time, though? I found that most entertaining.
>
That shit was so dope! They had his condescending ass just sitting
there stammering, struggling to butt in. He looked ready to kill the
casting director...
--
Mike Burke
Mr. Bass
night picked up two and popped them around 4 pm, popped two more at 10
pm, and then one more about 4 am, went to bed about 11 am and never woke
up. Yeah the pills he got were real rollies but there was too much of
some chemical in it and it short circuited his brain. That's what the
coroner told his mom and put on the death certificate as reason of
death..
I've seen peeps get strong out on that ish to the point that they're
taking like 7-8 a day every day. Those cats end up burnt in like four or
five monthes.
Also I've seen the fake knock offs and I've seen them leave cats in
sad shape. Some died and some wish they had. Man that fake ish is
killing, cripling, and leaving cats crazy.
It's better just to stay about ten miles from that ish.
Big Mike
"If you're on thin ice you might as well dance"
tim schnetgoeke
wrote:
>Anyway, he asked me to se him a list of useful things to read about
>(reading) hiphop, and outside of a couple of magazine articles, I don't
>know what to put on there. I guess Tricia Rose's Black Noise. Does
>anyone have any recommendations?
toop, david. rap attack.
good background info
tim
spinsane
low. Sorry about your girl, but she probably mixed two pills with
different ingredients in them that caused her some problems like DXM +
MDMA.
for the record, I've never done more than 2 pills in the course of a 10
hour evening before. Taking 3 in the course of 1hr and 15minutes is
slightly irresponsible use. (a lot more responsible then all the stories I
hear about people taking E these days though, seems the average dose is
like 5-10, which is just ridiculous).
spinsane :: www.acid.org :: www.j00tel.net/~spinsane
"out drinking the robot... slizzard style"
ilk...@my-deja.com
> to quote krs 1: " and now we've got white kids calling themselves
> niggers..."
>
> tim
So there's no computer-literate black people in Switzerland? What about
germany, tim?
ill
Steve Jackson
> "Steve 'Flash' Juon" <dj.flas...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1457bd563...@news.netins.net...
>> Definitely though. I'd start a write in campaign to get you on the
>> panel; as a "citizen panelist" if not as a "hip-hop scholar and author."
>> So many people on this newsgroup could do it. OT, Steve Jackson,
>> FunkyStyle, nomadik, even Mike Burke. Lets get an RMHHer on the show.
>>
I missed this post by Flash (dern newsreaders). I stopped watching
Politically Incorrect years ago because it pissed me off... Bill Maher
pissed me off and some of his guests did also, and I was determined not
to get that upset over a TV show. So I stopped watching. Unfotunately,
my verbal debating skills leave alot to be desired. Especially, if
people come at me with hostility. I get very emotional and frustrated
and I'll either be very quiet or just start saying things off the top of
my head. I'm a much better writer.
> --
> Mike Burke
Jason Baker
Maher so much? I didn't see this episode.
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"Mike Burke" <sph...@home.com> wrote in message
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tim schnetgoeke
>So there's no computer-literate black people in Switzerland? What about
>germany, tim?
what's that supposed to mean? you're most definitely overinterpreting
my words. i assumed that he's white, because of his name and because
of things he wrote in a previous thread. if i'm wrong, i apologize.
anyway, i don't know too many black people in germany, but those i
know don't like to be called "nigger". that's a fact. then there's
white kids who think that it's a cool word to say, because pac, dmx
and thousands of other mcs do so. at least for me, judging from my
personal experience, that's a fact, too.
the same kids are not the first to call the cops when they get punched
in the face for "just being funny". sometimes people should choose
their words more carefully or at least be prepared to face the
consequences.
simon used the word nigger as a synonym for people and i think that
this is wrong, especially if done by a white person.
peace.
tim
k.orr
>what are the topics within hiphop that are not
> getting addressed at all?
I think we've discussed most of them on rmhh
to recap the last 5-7 years on alt.rap and rmhh
some questions, topics, issues, continual concerns
- is hip hop black culture (implying exclusivity, keeping out whites,
asians, and latinos).
- can non blacks understand hip hop (or at least the stuff spit by
other black folks in a hip hop context)
- does the industry control hip hop
- why does hip hop suck right now (which is code for how come there is
so little variety on mass media outlets)
- did political hip hop make a difference
- do we need a hip hop/activist/progressive political platform/party
- what is the religion/philosophy/economics/ of hip hop
- how do we justify sampling (what is a good use and a bad use, and how
does that compare historically)
- the rules of engagement (what are the things that new heads need to
know in order to respect the culture?)
- how does public transit/highway culture affect music (the jeep vs
walkman argument)
- Do you have to be an actual gangster to be a g-rapper?
- Why is there regionalism in hip hop, but not in other musics
- why are we so competitive (or are we competitive)
- is a freestyle strictly an off the top rhyme?
- why is hip hop driven by novelty (aka how come these new jacks don't
know about Rakim and his importance)
- is hip hop becoming to academic
- what are the benefits of a niched hip hop market/audience
And that's just to start. Our magazines don't cover those things.
There is no discussion of hip hop for the sake of understanding it.
At least with the Source and Stress, they talk about what is going on
in the traditional communities, and how the power structure is
affecting us. But for all the stories on the digital divide or an
effed up school system, no one talks about hip hop. Sure we get
interviews and record reviews of what is coming out this month, but hip
hop is forgotten.
The easy topics get some attention, misogyny, racism, bad recording
contracts, but who talks about the art and what it means.
Could someone please write a paper on over used similes/references in
underground hip hop. Could someone please hang out with Dj Premier and
record him making a classic beat. Could we sit with Ghostface killah
as he's writing a rhyme? (So I could finally figure out what the hell
he's talking about).
folks aren't interested in that.
k. orr
dula
to do with self-esteem. I'm fairly secure in that arena. Not arrogant
or conceited at all, I'm actually pretty humble, but I recognize and
respect my strengths as well as my shortcomings. Basically, the
situation was that this shorty was somebody who was good friends with
another female I dated long before. She caught feelings when I was
dealin with her girl, we both knew it, but she had this bitter
animosity about some drama between me and the other one, which was none
of her fucking business anyway but that's beside the point. So I guess
the best way for her to get that vitriol out of her system was by
blowing me. Hey, I'm not complaining, to each his own. Some women
like aromatherapy, others read Iyanla Vanzant, some just need to blow a
nigga and they're walking on clouds for 3 days. It would probably be
more relevant to rephrase your question and ask her why she'd do that
to some nigga she hated. This was some college shit anyway, so she's
excused. I feel like women, men too, look at college as kind of this
different world, sexually. It's like getting this coupon for sex
without consequences or repercussions, complete with a 4 year
expiration date. Not that it's right, but it's the truth. People look
at college like 'hey, it's a different city, none of this shit really
matters.' I knew a ton of girls in college who stripped to get through
school. Some of these chicks are in law school now, med school,
corporate jobs. Some of them hoes still strip too, though, I ain't
frontin. But people can be excused for certain shit in certain
situations. I have nothing against that girl to this day. She's all
right with me, even though I think she hates me even more now.
Whatever, I ain't got time to hate anyone, I'm just living, baby.
Peace.
In article <8slcbd$p3l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Kayal <kayal...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8slb8m$o7p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> dula <dul...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> OK, I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Why would you have sex with someone
> whom you felt hated your guts? Do you have self-esteem issues?
Surely
> you could find a girl who didn't hate your guts?
>
OT
Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) wrote:
> How come?...
How come Jay-Z keeps doing the Delta Sigma Theta sign?
How come he doesn't know that's a female thang?
OT
KSG
Kayal <kayal...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Within academia and magazine criticism, I guess I'm struck by the fact
> that the work that's being produced is so rarely of any interest/use
to
> people who *like*/are knowledgeable about hiphop. To my mind there's
> something wrong with a criticism which never meets the needs of heads.
> I mean, I can't imagine anybody in here craving to read this guy's
> paper on Eminem's fans and homophobia. OK, so what is it people do
> want to read? I mentioned some of my interests, a tracing of genre
> being foremost. What else?
The Source probably does a decent enough job writing about what people
want to read. It's not my cup of tea, but most people want artist
profiles and 20/20 type of reports.
--
KSG
KSG
k.orr <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> I don't think Bill Maher should really be commenting on something he
> doesn't listen to.
Isn't that the complete premise of the show though? You get a
collection of entertainment stars and get them talking about
information they read about on a one page cheatsheet an hour before the
show.
90% of the guests don't know what they're talking about. You tune in
because you want to see Tyra Banks duke it out with Rob Lowe.
Steve 'Flash' Juon
s...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu says...
> my verbal debating skills leave alot to be desired. Especially, if
> people come at me with hostility. I get very emotional and frustrated
> and I'll either be very quiet or just start saying things off the top of
> my head. I'm a much better writer.
Exactly why I didn't put myself on the list of people from the ng. As
much as I'd +like+ to debate Bill Maher I doubt I'm either the most
qualified or the most cool under pressure. I figured you for the job
Steve as a family man (talk about learning how to cope with stress).
KSG
Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) wrote:
> How come?...
>
> certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask
me
> that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> that song are terrible.
Who is this new one? I agree with you though. I like Amiel, but can't
mess with D'Angelo, Angie, or Erika. I generally don't like jazzy
R&B. You know who I've discovered and I think is dope? Kelly Price.
That girl can sang -- at least on CD.
>Yo, whats wrong
> with liking Genuine?
Word I'm likin' his albums.
> Aaliyah?
Gimme some of her. Her albums straight bump.
> Donell Jones?
Oh naw, you can keep that stuff.
> Mya?
Aww yeah, now your talkin'!
> How come...
>
> Mothafuckas ALWAYS gotta stick up their middle finger in pictures? Yo,
> that shit is ignorant, straight up. It doesn't make you a tough guy,
> it's not scarin' the people that look at the picture, and it's not
> impressin' anyone. Matter of fact, it makes everyone else in the
picture
> look bad.
I've never seen anyone do that before. But that would be straight
ignorant.
> Now, I just didn't wanna play because I have unbelievable luck
> with dice and I really didn't wanna take nobody's money
You a good man GC ;-)
Steve 'Flash' Juon
> How come Jay-Z keeps doing the Delta Sigma Theta sign?
> How come he doesn't know that's a female thang?
Maybe he does. ;)
Gay rapper anyone?,
Steve 'Flash' Juon
> The Source probably does a decent enough job writing about what people
> want to read. It's not my cup of tea, but most people want artist
> profiles and 20/20 type of reports.
The stuff that goes deeper has always been in the magazines like Stress
(still around), Ego Trip (may resurface) and 4080 (sadly MIA + OOP).
Relying on The Source for a deeper more insightful coverage of hip-hop is
like relying on Paul Reubens for a phone-a-friend in "Millionaire."
Peace, Flash
Kayal
k.orr <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
> >what are the topics within hiphop that are not
> > getting addressed at all?
>
> I think we've discussed most of them on rmhh
>
> to recap the last 5-7 years on alt.rap and rmhh
>
> some questions, topics, issues, continual concerns
>
> - is hip hop black culture (implying exclusivity, keeping out whites,
> asians, and latinos).
Actually, I have seen a lot [=too much] of this. The Eminem paper guy
was telling me about some woman who'd written about whether there's a
place for South Asians in hiphop. I was deeply disappointed that the
paper was not called "Terrorizing the Jam Like Troops in Pakistan".
> - how do we justify sampling (what is a good use and a bad use, and
how
> does that compare historically)
excellent point. one thing that annoyed me about Dropping Science is
that they never break down what the esthetics of hiphop are--what
qualifies as good or bad [in a given place/time] ?
>
> - the rules of engagement (what are the things that new heads need to
> know in order to respect the culture?)
>
> - how does public transit/highway culture affect music (the jeep vs
> walkman argument)
I guess I missed this. Is the bump v. introspection argument in
another guise? Does this play out into regional differences,
considering the regional differences in transport? this is too
interesting, someone please recap.
> - Why is there regionalism in hip hop, but not in other musics
is this true? In some review on rap reviews, Flash made the point
before that regionalism is actually waning because rappers are being
produced by people from other regions. Also I don't know if it's not
there in other musics?
> - is a freestyle strictly an off the top rhyme?
does someone have to be good at freestyling to be a good rapper? I was
actually discussing this last night. No matter the counter examples, I
*want* this to be true, because to me it's one of the roots of hiphop.
> - is hip hop becoming to academic
>
> The easy topics get some attention, misogyny, racism, bad recording
> contracts, but who talks about the art and what it means.
Yes. Well Tricia Rose tried, I have to give her props for that, but
obviously there's lots more to be done. On the other hand, my friend
was talking about the dangers of hiphop becoming an art academia
examines rather than a medium of discourse--esthetization saps some of
the political/cultural strength of a form. So what's the place of
criticism on paper not on wax? Obviously the dangers to hiphop of
being in the academy is an issue.
> Could someone please write a paper on over used similes/references in
> underground hip hop. Could someone please hang out with Dj Premier
and
> record him making a classic beat. Could we sit with Ghostface killah
> as he's writing a rhyme? (So I could finally figure out what the hell
> he's talking about).
>
> folks aren't interested in that.
I think folks are, but it takes more effort to write about that than
about Li'l Cease's favorite sexual positions.
OK, well maybe I will try and write some of this down, as I've been
threatening for years.
Ricky420
"spinsane" <wcre...@helios.acomp.usf.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00101...@nova.acomp.usf.edu...
> Actually, I'm pretty sure the actual deaths from MDMA are ridiculously
> low. Sorry about your girl, but she probably mixed two pills with
> different ingredients in them that caused her some problems like DXM +
> MDMA.
>
> for the record, I've never done more than 2 pills in the course of a 10
> hour evening before. Taking 3 in the course of 1hr and 15minutes is
> slightly irresponsible use. (a lot more responsible then all the stories I
> hear about people taking E these days though, seems the average dose is
> like 5-10, which is just ridiculous).
>
dippi, so i wasn't sure if i'd sound like a dickhead if i responded. yo,
dippi-- i'd kill the cat who sold your girl those pills. i garauntee they
were cut with some bullshit (prolly dxm). but you are right--mdma can kill.
anything in excess can, even water. i just don't think 3 pure tabs are
excessive. anyway--sorry to here about your loss. peace................
BodyRott
news:4831-39E...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
>
> You're not "real" anymore once you start doin' good for yourself? I quit
> Best Buy by the way and got a much better job at a Marketing Firm,
> making alot of money and dressin' in a suit and tie everyday and shit.
> So, instead of goin' straight home I decide to hit up the block and see
> whats goin' on. I'm outside of the barber shop just watchin' these
> niggas roll dice and then niggas start askin' me to play and shit, and I
> say no. Now, I just didn't wanna play because I have unbelievable luck
> with dice and I really didn't wanna take nobody's money, on top of that,
How do you play that game?
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bodyrott/
=+=+=+=+
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Josh Scott
word derived from? I mean some may only know it as a synonym for "friend",
"homeboy", or whatever else....
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+Josh Scott+
YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT!
Kevan
never responsible. Which would lead me to believe that it had other stuff in
it or was PMA. But that's one of the reasons I don't do it anymore, cuz u
never know what you are getting. If I was to do it I would give my pill to
DanceSafe to be tested. Sorry to hear about what happened to your girl.
kevan
Dippi <hiphop...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Kevan
PMA (Para-methoxy-amphetamine, 4-MA), a powerful stimulant that is cheaper
and easier to manufacture than ecstasy and far more dangerous, continues to
show up among pills being sold as ecstasy. Many of these pills are stamped
with a three-diamond Mitsubishi logo. Last month in central Florida, three
young people died after ingesting tablets they thought contained ecstasy,
but actually contained PMA. In the Spring of this year, three young people
died in Chicago after ingesting PMA, and it has been responsible for six
deaths in Australia and many more in Europe and England. Please check back
soon for more information on PMA.
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> Mike... fill me in on this... what exactly were they saying that
frustrated
> Maher so much? I didn't see this episode.
>
Crap, I don't remember any specific quotes, but it was a lot of racial
stuff and kinda making Maher out to be a racist. It was funny, but I don't
remember what exactly was said.
--
Mike Burke
Mike Burke
> In article <8sne2l$coe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, over...@my-deja.com says...
> > How come Jay-Z keeps doing the Delta Sigma Theta sign?
> > How come he doesn't know that's a female thang?
>
> Maybe he does. ;)
>
> Gay rapper anyone?,
> Flash
>
"Had brothers mad for real like 'I wish he was gay'."
--
Mike Burke
Steve Jackson
> In article <8sn80g$716$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> k.orr <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> - how does public transit/highway culture affect music (the jeep vs
>> walkman argument)
> I guess I missed this. Is the bump v. introspection argument in
> another guise? Does this play out into regional differences,
> considering the regional differences in transport? this is too
> interesting, someone please recap.
I think we've had this argument once or twice before but I can't remember
much of it. I know I was in it because I rarely drive anywhere (it helps
when you don't have your own car) and I'm always on the bus and train.
But I'd wager at 75%, if not more, people here drive on a regular basis.
One of the reasons danceable hip-hop and southern hip-hop didn' much
appeal to me was the walkman exeprience. I'm not one to go to clubs
(maybe once or twice a year) so when cats are just trying to get you to
dance, I'm not really much into it. And being that I do take public
transportation and *gasp* walk to places, the "bu-bump, bu-bump/make your
speakers pop" doesn't really do much for me either.
>> - Why is there regionalism in hip hop, but not in other musics
> is this true? In some review on rap reviews, Flash made the point
> before that regionalism is actually waning because rappers are being
> produced by people from other regions. Also I don't know if it's not
> there in other musics?
It was in jazz before the white-washing, though I can't say whether it
was as volatile as hip-hop.
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Fatboy Roberts
Steve 'Flash' Juon wrote:
>
> In article <8smsc0$cef$1...@cronkite.temple.edu>,
> s...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu says...
> > my verbal debating skills leave alot to be desired. Especially, if
> > people come at me with hostility. I get very emotional and frustrated
> > and I'll either be very quiet or just start saying things off the top of
> > my head. I'm a much better writer.
>
> Exactly why I didn't put myself on the list of people from the ng. As
> much as I'd +like+ to debate Bill Maher I doubt I'm either the most
> qualified or the most cool under pressure. I figured you for the job
> Steve as a family man (talk about learning how to cope with stress).
Fools, I'd tear his ass UP! But no mention of the fatness.
Did ya'll see him on Chris Rock. Crowd was booin his pasty ass at every
opportunity. The man fled the stage at the end of the interview, bathed
in flop sweat. it was beautiful.
Kill my ISP,
Fatboy
Soon to be posting from an @home address..muhahahahaaa.
Fatboy Roberts
KSG wrote:
>
> In article <4831-39E...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) wrote:
> > How come?...
> >
> > Self proclaimed "Hip-Hop heads" think it's only okay to like that
> > certain type of Jazzy R&B? Ya'll only seem to like Amel Larreiux,
> > D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erika Badu, and that new broad. But if you ask
> me
> > that new broad is WACK, she can't sing that good and wow the lyrics to
> > that song are terrible.
>
> Who is this new one? I agree with you though. I like Amiel, but can't
> mess with D'Angelo, Angie, or Erika. I generally don't like jazzy
> R&B. You know who I've discovered and I think is dope? Kelly Price.
> That girl can sang -- at least on CD.
>
> >Yo, whats wrong
> > with liking Genuine?
>
> Word I'm likin' his albums.
People front on Ginuwine? I didn't know..that's stupid. "Pony" was my
shit for the longest. Kid can sing a lil, and Timbaland does his beats.
How can you front, really?
>
> > Aaliyah?
>
> Gimme some of her. Her albums straight bump.
Yuuup. Same credentials as Ginuwine. She may not belt shit out, but she
locks the track down rhythmically.
>
> > Donell Jones?
>
> Oh naw, you can keep that stuff.
Are people really frontin THAT hard in NY? Damn.
>
> > Mya?
>
> Aww yeah, now your talkin'!
I can't fuck with this skinny non singin ass girl with the wack beats. I
guarantee her next album has a remake of "Ghetto Superstar." to prop her
ass up. Blech. She'll forever be known to me as "Sisqo's project."
Kill my ISP
Fatboy
Soon to be posting from an @home address..muhahahahaaaa
Kayal
Really? I like listening to ass-swinging music on the subway or
walking. Of course, sometimes you attract a little too much attention,
but then, you just turn the music up, and you can't hear them. : )
Anyway, check this out, from an article about a debate between some guy
and Amiri Baraka:
But as both A.L. Nielson and Lorenzo Thomas pointed out, the tendency
to read the Black Arts Movement in terms of radical political positions
and speech/music based poetry neglects the movement's intellectual and
textual foundation. Both, after all, use techniques of collaboration,
linguistic rupture and syntactical complexity to make points about the
relationship between power and language - but towards different ends.
Watten's syntactical ruptures seek to free poetry from the illusion
machine of meta-narrative, meaning, and depth. He exposes language's
ties with imperial and oppressive power structures by radically
altering the way content is read and understood by readers.
.....
Yet, there are cultural and political realities that the constant
questioning of representation in language cannot appropriate. Hip hop's
widespread cultural success brings signifiers that are not at all empty
to a mass audience. At a recent Dead Prez concert, a half-and-half
mixture of black and other chanted "Kill the Police" while a slideshow
depicting policeman, white politicians, and images of prisons flashed
in the background. There nothing empty about the police brutality
witnessed in across the country to which these songs very blatantly
refer.
http://www.jacket.zip.com.au/jacket12/prevallet-orono.html
spinsane
my last 2 cents.
if you want to test your pills, you can order testkits online, probably
even from dancesafe or ecstacy.org. now its up to you to do the research
to determine how effective each test is, but regardless, home test kits
are out there for a pretty reasonable price.
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"out drinking the robot... slizzard style"
k.orr
> Actually, I have seen a lot [=too much] of this. The Eminem paper guy
> was telling me about some woman who'd written about whether there's a
> place for South Asians in hiphop. I was deeply disappointed that the
> paper was not called "Terrorizing the Jam Like Troops in Pakistan".
I don't think there can ever be too much dialogue about race in hip
hop, particularly from the non-children of college educated parents. I
don't think the Latino, Native American, or Asian experience is even
touched by hip hop mc's, dj's, et cetera. I know there is some
internal discussion about Latino mc's using spanish and not using
spanish to rhyme. You catch glipmses here and there on that topic, but
those are in rhymes not in interviews or essays. I always wonder if
the filipino dj's have met resistance from black dj's? I think in
order for us as, Americans/hip hoppers to make some real strides in
understanding one another, you have to keep the dialogue going.
> > - how does public transit/highway culture affect music (the jeep vs
> > walkman argument)
>
> I guess I missed this. Is the bump v. introspection argument in
> another guise? Does this play out into regional differences,
> considering the regional differences in transport? this is too
> interesting, someone please recap.
>
> > - Why is there regionalism in hip hop, but not in other musics
>
> is this true? In some review on rap reviews, Flash made the point
> before that regionalism is actually waning because rappers are being
> produced by people from other regions. Also I don't know if it's not
> there in other musics?
It's a complex issue. But the argument basically says that if you come
from a walkman hip hop culture you tend to be more lyrical, whereas if
you come from a booming system culture, you tend to be less
sophisticated with your lyrics. It is politically correct way of
saying western/southern mc's don't have to stress to much on verbal
gymnastics, cause they let the beat do most of the talking. However if
you actually live in the South and listen to Southern hip hop, you know
this is not the truth. Emphasis on poetical elements and complexity is
not slept on down here.
>
> > - is a freestyle strictly an off the top rhyme?
>
> does someone have to be good at freestyling to be a good rapper? I
was
> actually discussing this last night. No matter the counter examples,
I
> *want* this to be true, because to me it's one of the roots of hiphop.
I don't know if freestyling is the root of hip hop. I've read a few
accounts where old school mc's took time to put together a rhyme before
they spit it. Being able to go off the top does not a good mc make
necessarily. I can think of at least 1 local mc, that is nice off the
top, but couldn't write to save his life. And of course we have
national evidence with Supernatural.
> Yes. Well Tricia Rose tried, I have to give her props for that,
After reading her book for the 2nd time, I'm not ready to give her
academic props for it. It was probably groundbreaking at the time, but
absent a few anecdotes, we have broached a lot of the same topics on
this ng. But 1 person can only drop so much science. Part of the
dopeness in rmhh is that we do constant peer review and expansion on a
topic. You couldn't put down our words in a 500 page book. It's like
a continuing diary/lit journal/dissertation on hip hop.
But in general I just don't like reading about hip hop.
but
> obviously there's lots more to be done. On the other hand, my friend
> was talking about the dangers of hiphop becoming an art academia
> examines rather than a medium of discourse--esthetization saps some of
> the political/cultural strength of a form. So what's the place of
> criticism on paper not on wax? Obviously the dangers to hiphop of
> being in the academy is an issue.
The problem with academy I see is that it might be taken away from
folks who aren't really involved. I met this one sista in the English
dept at UT who wanted to do a hip hop class. Having a couple a tapes
does not an expert make.(and I personally believe that if you want to
teach hip hop in any setting, you had better be an expert) I wonder
how many college radio dj's and mc's,b-boys, graf writers are involved
on the academic side of things.
But I guess that's a holdover from being in the scene. You've got to
have credentials, pay your dues, know the history, the originators, and
all of the different facets of the music. Just cause your professor
was feeling your dissection of dear Mama, doesn't mean you got what
Tupac was saying, or you recognize what other folks were feeling about
it.
> I think folks are, but it takes more effort to write about that than
> about Li'l Cease's favorite sexual positions.
>
> OK, well maybe I will try and write some of this down, as I've been
> threatening for years.
please kayal, don't hurt 'em.
k. orr
Kayal
k.orr <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > - how does public transit/highway culture affect music (the jeep
vs
> > > walkman argument)
> >
> > I guess I missed this. Is the bump v. introspection argument in
> > another guise? Does this play out into regional differences,
> > considering the regional differences in transport? this is too
> > interesting, someone please recap.
> >
> > > - Why is there regionalism in hip hop, but not in other musics
> >
> > is this true? In some review on rap reviews, Flash made the point
>
> It's a complex issue. But the argument basically says that if you
come
> from a walkman hip hop culture you tend to be more lyrical, whereas if
> you come from a booming system culture, you tend to be less
> sophisticated with your lyrics. It is politically correct way of
> saying western/southern mc's don't have to stress to much on verbal
> gymnastics, cause they let the beat do most of the talking. However
if
> you actually live in the South and listen to Southern hip hop, you
know
> this is not the truth. Emphasis on poetical elements and complexity
is
> not slept on down here.
I'm proud to say that subway-loving New York-living me never had a
whiff of such a thought ever since the first time I heard the Geto
Boys. THat's why they call me Ms. Smartypants. But of course, to make
a full-fledged argument about transport and hiphop would take serious
statistical analysis which no one in academia has gotten off their ass
to do.
But 1 person can only drop so much science. Part of the
> dopeness in rmhh is that we do constant peer review and expansion on a
> topic. You couldn't put down our words in a 500 page book. It's like
> a continuing diary/lit journal/dissertation on hip hop.
Well, texts too are part of a continuing conversation. Anyway, you are
100% right about the peer review bit. That's why it bothers me that
there is such a gap between academics and heads, because there *should*
be peer review both ways.
> But in general I just don't like reading about hip hop.
HEY! RMHH IS GREAT!
Actually, I'm taking my ass to the library next week bc there are a
whole bunch of new books which just came out that I want to check out.
ALso, there is a book coming out of Eminem's lyrics + his commentary on
them. Maximum Blonde or something equally strangely titled. That
makes him and Tupac as far as I know. Any other rappers have books of
their lyrics?
>
> please kayal, don't hurt 'em.
Oh, but it will hurt in a *good* way.
Ricky420
"Kayal" <kayal...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8ssohn$ht0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...> HEY! RMHH IS GREAT!
>
no shit!! yeah--i learn a lot from you cats. i love how we all come to
this ng and argue, but we all still respect and have love. thanks
everybody.................
Steve Jackson
> In article <8spjlj$u20$3...@cronkite.temple.edu>,
> Steve Jackson <s...@tempest.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
>> Kayal <kayal...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> > In article <8sn80g$716$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> > k.orr <k_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>
> Really? I like listening to ass-swinging music on the subway or
> walking. Of course, sometimes you attract a little too much attention,
> but then, you just turn the music up, and you can't hear them. : )
I never attract attention when my @$$ swings... wait, my @$$ doesn't
swing. Hmmm, that might be the reason i don't attract attention.:)
Anyway, i think I was overly general when I mad that statement because
the day after I was listening to some reggae and if that's not @$$
swinging music, i don't know what is. But, alot of the stuff that has
come out recently that can be considered @$$ swinging doesn't really bump
in a walkman. It's moreso for a club (it took me going to a club to
realize this). Jay-Z's "Big Pimpin'" will bump in the walkman and get
the head nods but when you hear that jawn in a club, to quote the
venacular, it's like whoa! Jawns be gettin' up on it, too. Sorry, my
club experience is very limited. But still though, alot of what I hear
that's supposed to be dance music hip-hop today just doesn't give that
effect in a walkman.
> Anyway, check this out, from an article about a debate between some guy
> and Amiri Baraka:
> But as both A.L. Nielson and Lorenzo Thomas pointed out, the tendency
> to read the Black Arts Movement in terms of radical political positions
> and speech/music based poetry neglects the movement's intellectual and
> textual foundation. Both, after all, use techniques of collaboration,
> linguistic rupture and syntactical complexity to make points about the
> relationship between power and language - but towards different ends.
> Watten's syntactical ruptures seek to free poetry from the illusion
> machine of meta-narrative, meaning, and depth. He exposes language's
> ties with imperial and oppressive power structures by radically
> altering the way content is read and understood by readers.
You know, this makes alot more sense when you read it while awake.
> .....
> Yet, there are cultural and political realities that the constant
> questioning of representation in language cannot appropriate. Hip hop's
> widespread cultural success brings signifiers that are not at all empty
> to a mass audience. At a recent Dead Prez concert, a half-and-half
> mixture of black and other chanted "Kill the Police" while a slideshow
> depicting policeman, white politicians, and images of prisons flashed
> in the background. There nothing empty about the police brutality
> witnessed in across the country to which these songs very blatantly
> refer.
> http://www.jacket.zip.com.au/jacket12/prevallet-orono.html
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Trey Marbles
OT <over...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> How come Jay-Z keeps doing the Delta Sigma Theta sign?
> How come he doesn't know that's a female thang?
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!! I'm gonna have to show his video to my Moms
(she's DST), she'll get a heelluva kick out of that!!!!! She'll
probably say the exact same thing OT did!!!!
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
Jeffrey Goldman
> The big thing I don't like about current r&b tho is that it adopted
> hip-hop production models. I mean i want my hip-hop to be hip-hop and
> r&b to be some dude or gal backed up by a live band.
You just never heard The Sindecut.
Peece,
T. Tauri