How to cheat?????
Diceman
to the game in regards to playing for money. My question is this, is
there anyway that someone can buy any use crooked dice against me??? if
so where could they (or I) buy them from, and how could these dice be
used against me??????
Thanks
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Before you buy.
Lorene
NOT tell you where you can buy them...sorry.
"Diceman" <fuc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Gregg Cattanach
Your best assurance of not having loaded dice is to bring your own, and do
frequent dice changes and mixes. You should also insist on precision dice
regardless, which are easily identified as each face is a perfect circle,
the corners are beveled, and the pips are inlaid plastic, not indented holes
that are painted. The best ones are translucent, which is also a
anti-cheating feature. If you are SERIOUSLY worried that you are being
cheated by someone you play against, it is probably better to find a new
opponent.
--
Gregg Cattanach
Zox_ at GamesGrid, Zone
http://gateway.to/backgammon
ICQ #2266410
gcattana...@prodigy.net
"Lorene" <Lore...@bizmart.com.uk> wrote in message
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Bill Minser
rolling, many players move checkers to look at a position and then moving
them back and try a different play. (all legal) If players do this quickly
enough, sometimes they get away with "returning" checkers to the wrong
original position. As a new player myself, I know I have done this
accidentally. As the scrupulous opponent, it is your responsibility to
monitor your opponent's play for these errors.
Of course, there are inevitable arguments and accusations that follow.
Making lots of "mistakes" like this against living opponents is a very quick
way to lose friends and start bar fights. If gambling is more important
than the challenge of playing well, find a different game.
"Diceman" <fuc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> I know this sounds like a unsportsmanlike question, but i'm pretty new
> to the game in regards to playing for money. My question is this, is
> there anyway that someone can buy any use crooked dice against me??? if
> so where could they (or I) buy them from, and how could these dice be
> used against me??????
>
Lorene
"return" them to try some other move makes me laugh....and exposes
backgammon for the joke of a game that it is.....take a clue from the
chessworld and do not allow the touching of the piececs before you move.
"Bill Minser" <wdmi...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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Michael Strato
to it's original place (or another by accident) just as long as you have not
released the piece?
Michael
"Lorene" <Lore...@bizmart.com.uk> wrote in message
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Jon Thomson
> to it's original place (or another by accident) just as long as you have
not
> released the piece?
>
> Michael
Once you touch a piece you have to move that piece though in normal
play which isn't serious this rule is easily waived.
Jon Thomson
Douglas Zare
> In Chess, are you not allowed to touch and move a piece but then return it
> to it's original place (or another by accident) just as long as you have not
> released the piece?
In the standard rules of the US Chess Federation, if you touch one of your
chessmen which you may legally move, then you have to move it, unless you say
"adjusting" or "j'adoube." If you touch one of your opponent's which you may
legally take, then you must take it (unless...). This is the case even if both
players have been recording the moves and the clock makes it clear whose move
it is. I believe these may be relaxed for blitz chess, but I have seen the
touch-move rule enforced in tournament over the objection of the player who
really didn't want to move that piece.
In both games, I believe it is unsportsmanlike to touch or move the
pieces/dice/cube more than necessary, particularly if it in any way obstructs
one's opponent's view or contemplation of the correct position. In chess, one
could fondle one's opponent's king (and usually his or her queen) without a
specified penalty. In either game one could peel an onion or do magic tricks or
torture a small animal to distract one's opponent, and the rules don't have to
prohibit these for them to be wrong. (See _The Art of Coarse Go_ for additional
ideas.)
Douglas Zare
Art Grater
Actually, the rule partly exists in backgammon: once you touch or offer your
doubling cube, you have to follow through with the double.
This is a much better system than letting you "see how it looks" at the next
level.
Art Grater
http://www.back-gammon.com
Diceman
that i am looking for a place to buy crooked dice, the thing is that as
a poker player, i can second deal, deal off the bottom and numerious
other sleights and cheats to tilt the odds in my favour, the fact
remains that if i can do it myself then i can spot other people doing
it also......this, and only this is the reason....
i hope this clears things up a little bit
regards
Andy
Lorene
market demonstrating the cheating moves with dice, etc that you can buy to
inform yourself. I am a master of all of the card sleights you mentioned
along with many many more and believe me when I tell you that knowing a few
moves only gives you the ILLUSION of protection...You can still be taken
EASILY by a professional.
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Diceman
good, you see i have worked in a casinos all over the world for the
past 12 yrs, and being able to spot a crook is an intergral part of my
job, as for the sleight of hand stuff, well thats just a hobby (and
trying to stay ahead of the game.....a bit!!!)
Lorene
casinos around the world spotting cheaters you would have NO reason to ask a
question about where to buy loaded dice. Be careful what you say....NEVER
say too much because you might give yourself away.
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Diceman
a casino and like i said, if you want me to repeat it again....SPOTTING
CHEATERS IS AN INTERGRAL PART OF MY JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as it is anyone who's job is the pit-side of the casino
industry......my job entails alot more than spotting wanabee cheaters
and "i've been barred from vegas" dickheads...........
i would like to thank you for all your advice but you can stick it up
your ass .............
Bob Hoey
required one to double, if he were to touch the doubling cube at a time at
which he could legally double. I have run tournaments and have expressly
stated in the rules that were provided that simply touching the doubling cube
did not constitute an offer of a double. To double, the rules stated, the
offering player has to place the cube on the board and specifically state " I
double you" or words to that effect. A player that reaches for the cube but
who reconsiders the move before completing the actions prescribed, could not be
required to double.
This rule first came to my attention about 15 or so years ago. One of our
better players here in Rochester was playing against a renown player from NYC.
At one point during the match, which I was not particularly watching, I heard
the NYC player defensively state that she had not touched the cube. I was
curious about why she would make such a comment, since her opponent never had
suggested that she had touched it. I inferred that she must have been used to
playing within a circle that had a touch rule of some sort.
It certainly is within the prerogatives of players to establish their own
house rules and that is one of the reasons that whenever you start playing
someone in a new place, you should establish, up front, just which rules are
going to be in place. I can recall many times, playing in new environs, when
players would want to "just start playing", without establishing the rules to
be in place. I always ask questions. The problem is, of course, that the rules
that are "normal" in one time and place, are different from those in another.
Is the Jacoby rule, for example part of the standard game of backgammon or is
it one of the ground rules that needs to be agreed upon at the start of play?
My answer is that it is an "extension" of the rules and needs to be agreed
upon to be in effect. I can recall several times when I have sat down to play
a money game for whatever stakes and no particular extensions to the rules were
agreed upon. Then when I am in the closing stages of winning a gammon, the
opponent asks what I am doing, going for a gammon, when the cube has not been
thrown. Clearly the opponent was under the assumption that the Jacoby rule is
standard and needs not to be agreed upon at the beginning of play. I know that
many players, who "always" play with the Jacoby rule in effect, assume that it
does not need to be discussed. I maintain that it is an extension and if it is
not mentioned up front, then it is not in effect. This creates an awkward
situation in which each player honestly holds opposite beliefs about whether
the rule is in effect. The best way to avoid such conflicts is to take some
time at the beginning to establish just what rules will be in effect for that
session.
Bob
Lorene
true colors. For the groups benefit I am copy/paste your first question
which exposes you totally.
>>>"My question is this, is there anyway that someone can buy any use
crooked dice >>>against me??? if so where could they (or I) buy them from,
and how could these dice >>>be used against me??????
Lets disect this question.... "...is there anyway someone can buy and use
croked dice against me?" ... THIS QUESTION IS COMING FROM SOMEONE CLAIMING
THAT SPOTTING CHEATERS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF HIS CASINO JOB? You are making
me laugh hard AGAIN...
I am now waiting for the next attemp at some sort of excuse. LOL
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Gregg Cattanach
I think the VAST majority of players in money backgammon assume the Jacoby
Rule IS in effect unless otherwise discussed. For money backgammon: Jacoby
Rule is the default. For Tournament backgammon, Crawford rule (and no
Jacoby Rule) is the default. These would be the assumptions I would go on
in any new game I entered. Assuming no Jacoby Rule would be a mistake, IMO.
But asking, is of course, the best option.
--
Gregg Cattanach
Zox_ at GamesGrid, Zone
http://gateway.to/backgammon
ICQ #2266410
gcattana...@prodigy.net
"Bob Hoey" <bob...@mlsonline.com> wrote in message
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>snip<
> Is the Jacoby rule, for example part of the standard game of backgammon or
is
> it one of the ground rules that needs to be agreed upon at the start of
play?
> My answer is that it is an "extension" of the rules and needs to be
agreed
> upon to be in effect. I can recall several times when I have sat down to
play
> a money game for whatever stakes and no particular extensions to the rules
were
> agreed upon. Then when I am in the closing stages of winning a gammon,
the
> opponent asks what I am doing, going for a gammon, when the cube has not
been
> thrown. Clearly the opponent was under the assumption that the Jacoby
rule is
> standard and needs not to be agreed upon at the beginning of play. I know
that
> many players, who "always" play with the Jacoby rule in effect, assume
that it
> does not need to be discussed. I maintain that it is an extension and if
it is
> not mentioned up front, then it is not in effect
>snip<
holy_...@my-deja.com
him, but after reading this post I get the feeling there is something
fishy about you. What are you doing here if you think BG is a Joke?
hw
In article <pGv%4.9672$A54.5...@typhoon.neo.rr.com>,
> > "Diceman" <fuc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8hjefd$bsh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > I know this sounds like a unsportsmanlike question, but i'm pretty
new
> > > to the game in regards to playing for money. My question is this,
is
> > > there anyway that someone can buy any use crooked dice against
me??? if
> > > so where could they (or I) buy them from, and how could these dice
be
> > > used against me??????
> > >
> > > Thanks
Douglas Zare
> I think the VAST majority of players in money backgammon assume the Jacoby
> Rule IS in effect unless otherwise discussed. For money backgammon: Jacoby
> Rule is the default. For Tournament backgammon, Crawford rule (and no
> Jacoby Rule) is the default. These would be the assumptions I would go on
> in any new game I entered. Assuming no Jacoby Rule would be a mistake, IMO.
> But asking, is of course, the best option.
The default depends on the context.
Thought experiment 1: Two people have stepped outside a backgammon tournament
to clear their lungs of clean air. They agree to play a quick money game. Is
the Jacoby rule the default?
Thought experiment 2: You are set up a board in a bar to analyze positions from
Robertie's latest book. Someone walks up and asks to play. Is the Jacoby rule
the default?
I recently played someone who claimed to be a strong backgammon player who
would not use the cube and played that the winner of the previous game rolled
the dice to start the next game. (That would make the take point depend on the
cube level, and adjusted the gammon/lose trade-off even without the cube.) I'm
glad we clarified this.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rules included in most backgammon sets do not
mention the Jacoby rule. If you suspect a difference in rules, even if you know
that you are right, asking is the only fair option. If you play chess with a
random player, I recommend reminding them of "en passant" captures a move or so
before it becomes crucial, even though every chess set should mention that
rule. Over 80% of the table-tennis serves in the Olympics would be illegal in
many American basement games. Don't invoke a rule your opponent hasn't heard of
unless you are fast on the draw.
Douglas Zare
Lorene
board and then back and then moving them again to take a look , etc is a
joke but I stil play bgammon. A s a mathematician I enjoy both BGammon and
chess but consider chess the better game by far. Glad to clear this up!
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Diceman
rec.games.backgammon......
GET IT!!!!! this is why i'm here and not on rec.gambling.craps or some
other news group........
BACKGAMMON GET IT YET !!!!! NOT CRAPS DICKHEAD!!!!!!!!!
my job as a pit boss has absolutely NOTHING to do with backgammon, if
you had ever been in a casino in your life you would now that, you
trouble causing twat. Now mind your own business and stop talking out
your arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diceman
holy_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Lorene, there was something fishy about Diceman and I'm glad you
busted
> him, but after reading this post I get the feeling there is something
> fishy about you. What are you doing here if you think BG is a Joke?
> hw
>
Lets get this cleared up...
1st: I do work in a casino
2nd: I'm no cheat...(if i was why would i be asking 'how to cheat'?
3rd: Part of my job in the casino is making sure there is nothing
untoward going on, blackjack, roulette, craps, and caribbean stud poker
4th: Anyone who takes one word that that idiot Lorene says needs to
have a word with themselves
5th: I ask an honest question and the grief i recieve!!!!!! i only
wanted to make sure that no-one was cheating me...but suddenly sh*t for
brains pipes up and now I'm a liar and cheat........FRIENDLY LOT....
Lorene
YOU told. ONE MORE TIME: IF you are some sort of casino employee who has the
job of making sure nothing "FUNNY" is going on at the craps table.......you
would have NO NEED to ask about the existence of loaded dice or HOW someone
might use them. You would be able to drop some more cheating terms (such as
the card terms you used in your first post) such as tops,loads,six ace
flats, etc and would have NO reason to ask such ridiculous questions for
someone in your "supposed" job description. You are making me LOL now so I
must stop. If you stop trting to cover up your lie I will stop responding to
your posts...your choice.
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Diceman
as in NOT THE SAME ....
whats wrong with you that you just cant understand that?????
i can prove that i work in a casino .....
can you prove that your not a dickhead????????
Lorene
group. Here is a short recap of your question to the group:
"Diceman" <fuc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message:
"My question is this, is there anyway that someone can BUY and USE crooked
dice against me??? If so WHERE could they (OR I) BUY them from, and how
could these dice be used against me??"
Now "fuckpig" (excuse me..."diceman"), CLAIMS to work in a casino with a job
description that includes watching the CRAPS table to make sure nothing
funny is happening to the dice...LOL HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HIS
EMPLOYER???? He has to come into a newsgroup and ask questions about WHERE
you can buy crooked dice and HOW ARE CROOKED DICE USED???? LOLOL This is
LAUGHABLE. Please take your lies somewhere else or admit them and I will
educate you regarding gambling sleights.
Michael Crane
rubbish.
Please, children, we adults don't like it when you use rude words and we
especially don't like it when you SHOUT at us all the time as though we were
deaf.
If you can't behave nicely then the bogey man will come and get you and take
away all your shiny toys and lock them all away . . . . and hopefully you
with them!
Michael Crane
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Diceman
now i just realise that your just a sad and lonely man.......
i had stated my case i can prove i work in a casino, and in your last
post you have proved that you are a d***head
like i said if anyone doesn't believe me then i can and will prove it
to them ant time day or night
thats all from me i really don't want to get involved with anyone who
thinks that backgammon is a joke of a game anymore
bye
Donald Kahn
>At first i was angry.....
>now i just realise that your just a sad and lonely man.......
>
>i had stated my case i can prove i work in a casino, and in your last
>post you have proved that you are a d***head
>
>like i said if anyone doesn't believe me then i can and will prove it
>to them ant time day or night
>
>thats all from me
Promise?
doubl...@my-deja.com
Murphy
the first but thank you for at least giving a sensible answer instead
of just slagging him off,
well done that man
nice to see that there is someone with a heart on this news group
Murphy
leave
Diceman
holding a set of professional dice, top quality casino grade dice, not
some mickey mouse rubbish, i will then get one of our techs to drill a
hole in it and make it into a key chain, i will then send you that dice
as a present.
Lorene
with dice yet??? LOLOLOLOL...Some casino employee you must be.
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Diceman
HA HA HA !!!
work this one out mr maths genius.....
posts to chess newsgroups - posts to backgammon newsgroups = liar lair
pants on fire....