G1 toys revival campaign on bottak.com
TangSooMan
bottalk t revive the G1 series, and it looks like they're actually serious
about it, so if anyone is interested, check out:
http://bottalk.com/Forum1/HTML/011024.html
Please take the time to read through the whole thread, and if it interests you,
feel free to join in. If it doesn't interest you that's fine, all i ask is
that you don't flame people just for making an effort.
Thanks,
-Nebucron
Eddie X-Tomb
what the fans think they just want to sell toys and they think BM will
do that more. I see people start these campaigns all the time baout
everything from heman and gi joe to thundercats. I'd just be happy with
the show on rhino video for now, and the new vehicle-based us toys(BM)
and japenese toys(car robots).
-Eddie
Straight-Edge
fans think they just want to sell toys and they think BM will do that more.>>
Forget Hasbro, Rhino Kids is releasing the cartoons on video right now, and
making truckloads of the long green on it. They have said in no uncertain
terms that they will not liscence the cartoons for television broadcast,
because that would ruin their sales of the videos...
These people may seriously want it back on the air, but its not possible.
They've used lines like, "If they see how high the demand is, they'll have to
bring it back."
2 problems with that line of thinking.
1) corporate suits can see a lot, but none of what they see compells them to do
*anything*.
2) they *have* seen how many people want the old toon back, thats why they've
started selling the videos. They saw us suckers coming a miles away, and
they've found a way to take our money by giving us what we want.
Only the Lord Himself would put the cartoon on TV when he could make millions
on the videos.
Straight-Edge (Now Trademarked by Lanard Toys)
Straight-Edge
Drugs are evil kids, remember that.
I shall now kick my own ass for completely missing the title of this thread, so
no flames please.
Steven Acevedo
>1) corporate suits can see a lot, but none of what they see compells them to do
>*anything*.
Agreed.
>2) they *have* seen how many people want the old toon back, thats why they've
>started selling the videos. They saw us suckers coming a miles away, and
>they've found a way to take our money by giving us what we want.
Perhaps but in a sense the older fans are getting the better deal more
or less. It's ot exactly perfect but it's a step in the right
direction.
>Only the Lord Himself would put the cartoon on TV when he could make millions
>on the videos.
Primus willing I can only hope.
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TangSooMan
as a flame. Are people really that apathetic?
not pathetic, just apathethic....
like I said, if you're not interested, fine by me...
-Nebucron
Shon Stephens
quality of workmanship could not match that of the originals. While I
believe that the engineering design of the BW & BM toys is excellent.
Particularly the way in which more organic shapes can be hidden in the
toys beast form and appear once it is transformed, I do not like the
quality of the plastics used. I highly doubt a re-issue would use die-
cast (which in my opinion is one of the things which made the 84-86 run
toys so great). I think instead that the TF2K line is the direction of
the future. I got to play with some at a local store, and the design of
them was phenomenal. I would like to see more vehicles. Perhaps some
jets, and a futuristic space shuttle or something akin to a Gotha 229.
I do think the market is ripe for the G1 (or TF2K) type of transformer.
I think that TF fans (old and new) are tiring of animals and insects. I
just realized that I have rambled and gotten completely off topic.
Sorry!
--
Shon Stephens
UNIX Systems Administrator
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Robert Powers
On 13 Apr 2000 14:41:25 GMT, TangSooMan <tangs...@aol.com> wrote:
>okay people, this is about the toys, not the toon, and please don't take
>that as a flame. Are people really that apathetic?
About re-releasing old G1 toys? Yeah, I'm pretty apathetic about it. I
mean, what would the *point* of it be?
The G1 toys have come and gone. They're old technology, lacking both
the posability and durability of BW/BM toys. The retail market for them --
old time fans who'd actually be willing to shell out cash for them -- is
tiny compared to the hundreds of thousands of kids going for new stuff.
If you really want a particular G1 toy, odds are very good you can find it
on the secondary market with a bit of digging around.
Granted, I'm selfish about this -- I have all the G1 toys I want, bar a
few odd Pretenders here and there. In fact, I see the same statement from
a lot of the people pushing for a G1 re-release -- "I have the toys
already, but it'd be nice to see them on the shelves again." You'd see
them on the shelves alright... for months and months on end, as they sat
without selling. Which, if anyone doubts it, is exactly what happened
when G2 took old toys and re-released them about 8 years ago...
I agree it would be nice to see some of G1's design aesthetics revived
-- blockier robots with humanoid, non-beastish faces, and streamlined
vehicle modes based on realistic vehicles. We're getting some of that
with the Vehicons. Japan is getting a bit more of it with the Car Robots
line, and I think a far more realistic proposition would be to get Hasbro
to release those toys in the United States...
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Matt A Shine
first Megatron, and don't feel like paying through the nose for it. I have a
G2 Meg, but not the same at all. $20-30 is much better than $150-200 (in the
box) anyday.
Matt Shine
Aaron F. Bourque
Never gonna happen. Megs's gun mode was too realistic.
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WarWolf
>On 13 Apr 2000 14:41:25 GMT, TangSooMan <tangs...@aol.com> wrote:
>>okay people, this is about the toys, not the toon, and please don't
take
>>that as a flame. Are people really that apathetic?
>
> About re-releasing old G1 toys? Yeah, I'm pretty apathetic about it.
> I mean, what would the *point* of it be?
<shrug>
Giving TransFans an opportunity to pick up a toy of their fave
character?
I know I still haven't got myself a decent Optimus Prime toy. I've got
the Powermaster version but I've always wanted one that resembled the
animated version. I still consider the Diaclone-generation G1 version to
be the closest thing we've had to it.
(The MetalForce Convoy came very close, though. If only it transformed.)
Sure, I'd love it if Hasbro (or Takara) decided to make a new
transforming Prime toy that resembled the animated version _and_ had
oodles of articulation points. But I guess I'll have to settle for the
Takara G1 reissue for the time being.
> The G1 toys have come and gone. They're old technology, lacking both
>the posability and durability of BW/BM toys.
Heh. Almost BW Megatron lines, those.
But you'll get no arguments from me. I hardly ever dig out my G1 stuff
for play these days.
That said, they do still have a hold over me. I love those characters.
Ah, nostalgia. 'Tis a powerful force, indeed. But I guess the key
question is: Will nostalgia translate to profits?
>The retail market for them --
>old time fans who'd actually be willing to shell out cash for them --
is
>tiny compared to the hundreds of thousands of kids going for new stuff.
Or someone once put it: "Collectors are a pimple on the elephant's a**."
And I'd agree, actually. I don't think the kiddie market would be as
interested in G1 re-releases. I mean, I doubt the kids today would have
the same connection with the character. ("A truck? Optimus is supposed
to be a gorilla! And why did they change the name to _Prime_?" :)
So yeah, re-releasing a whole slew of G1 toys would be a mistake. OTOH,
a limited release targetted at the adult toy collector might make sense.
(In fact, that seems to be in vogue in Japan at the moment. Takara,
f'rinstance, has been steadily re-issuing vintage Microman toys for over
a year now.)
It certainly will be interesting to see just how well Takara does with
the G1 Prime re-issue.
>If you really want a particular G1 toy, odds are very good you can find
it
>on the secondary market with a bit of digging around.
Right, G1 Primes are readily available. I've seen a MISB Spanish
packaged version being sold by one online retailer. For a whopping two
hundred dollars. Sure, a loose version would cost less. But finding one
in decent condition and with all accessories is a pain.
By comparison, Image Anime is taking pre-orders for the Takara G1
re-issue for eighty bucks (IIRC). A bit pricey, yes. Still, fans who
missed out on Prime the first time around get a golden opportunity to
pick a MISB one if they so wish.
> Granted, I'm selfish about this -- I have all the G1 toys I want, bar
a
>few odd Pretenders here and there.
I felt the same way when an ATTer proposed re-issuing G1 Megatron. I
have the toy and it's disappointing. Sure, the gun mode is sweet but the
robot mode? Gah. _That's_ supposed to be Megatron? Gah.
But if there is a sufficient demand for G1 Megs and the company can make
a profit off it, why not go for it? (Although given Megs alt form, it
doesn't seem too likely, does it?)
> I agree it would be nice to see some of G1's design aesthetics
revived
>-- blockier robots
... and oodles of articulation, natch.
>with humanoid, non-beastish faces,
... and preferably, without a stupid teeth-baring grimace. TM Cheetor
looks like he got hit in a sensitive area.
>and streamlined
>vehicle modes based on realistic vehicles.
Perhaps that's the direction Hasbro is taking us. Incidentally, how well
are the Vehicon toys selling compared to the Maximals? Do you suppose
Hasbro might be tempted to go all-vehicle soon? (Don't get me wrong. The
current mix is nice. But I'm rather tired of beast 'formers at this
point.)
Cheers,
WarWolf
Eddie X-Tomb
>
>
>
> By comparison, Image Anime is taking pre-orders for the Takara G1
> re-issue for eighty bucks (IIRC). A bit pricey, yes. Still, fans who
> missed out on Prime the first time around get a golden opportunity to
> pick a MISB one if they so wish.
>
They're not rereleasing the whole g1 line, just a few select molds, and
I recall not being too interested(I was looking for decepti-jets)
-Eddie
WarWolf
mart...@idt.net wrote:
> No, Op Prime will not, I'm pretty sure, be one of the toys re-issued.
http://matrixcollectibles.site.yahoo.net/trang1reis.html
Autobot32
fortress maximus
Eddie X-Tomb wrote in message <38FBAB...@idt.net>...
>WarWolf wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> By comparison, Image Anime is taking pre-orders for the Takara G1
>> re-issue for eighty bucks (IIRC). A bit pricey, yes. Still, fans who
>> missed out on Prime the first time around get a golden opportunity to
>> pick a MISB one if they so wish.
>>
Eddie X-Tomb
>
> he's being released for god's sake! now if they would only do that with
> fortress maximus
Really?! The mo'fo at the online store I talked to about pre-orders told
me no. grumble grumble...
-Eddie