Dubya slaps the NRA
Harry Hope
From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
By Ken Herman
American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
attacks on President Clinton.
Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
his political agenda," including Gore's election.
"What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
killing."
Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
hunter without being a member of the NRA."
The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
____________________________________
Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
Harry
"You’re working hard to put food on your family"
George W. Bush
xer...@my-deja.com
riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
>
Why should Bush worry about protecting himself with a personal firearm
when he has Secret Service agents armed with sub-machineguns all around
him?
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Before you buy.
Julie Cochrane
riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
>
> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
> By Ken Herman
> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> attacks on President Clinton.
>
> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
>
> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
>
> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> killing."
>
> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
Heh. So can we call this "Praising with faint damns"?
Julie
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
>
> Harry
>
> "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
>
> George W. Bush
>
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mahab...@my-deja.com
riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
>
> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
> By Ken Herman
> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> attacks on President Clinton.
>
> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
>
> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
>
> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> killing."
>
> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
>
>
> Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
worse than it already looks.
Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
B., fighting off senility
>
> Harry
>
> "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
>
> George W. Bush
>
Robert Frenchu
>
>From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
>http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
>By Ken Herman
>American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
>Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>attacks on President Clinton.
That's what happens when father and son are forced to share a spine.
--
If my "assault rifle" makes me a criminal
And my encryption program makes me a terrorist
Does Dianne Feinstein's vagina make her a prostitute?
SemiScholar
>Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
>and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
>worse than it already looks.
>
>Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
>some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
The infamous "jack-booted thugs" letter.
- SemiScholar
Glenworthy@xteleport.com Henry Glenworthy
>From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
>http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>By Ken Herman
>American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>attacks on President Clinton.
>>>>
Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
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Strider
mahab...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
> >
> > From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> > http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >
> > By Ken Herman
> > American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >
> > Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> > Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> > attacks on President Clinton.
> >
> > Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> > gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
> >
> > NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> > Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> > his political agenda," including Gore's election.
> >
> > "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> > right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> > killing."
> >
> > Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
> >
> > The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> > trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> > Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
>
> Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
> and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
> worse than it already looks.
>
> Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
> some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
>
> B., fighting off senility
>
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
> >
> > George W. Bush
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Bush Sr. quit the NRA after their President at the time made an
accurate assessment about the AFT as "a bunch of jack booted
thugs."
This Presidential election is like most of the last six or eight,
a choice as to who is the least evil. Frankly, I think you could
put all the candidates in a big blender, chop them up, and still
couldn't come up with the ingredients for a President. Sounds
fun, though, let's give it a try.
At this point I intend to vote for Bush because he seems to hold
personal freedom and the Constitution in higher regard than Gore.
Anybody but Gore. I'm so pissed at the Dems. right now I never
intend to vote for one in either national or local elections.
Yes, I've voted for Democrats over the years but never again. At
least the Republicans at the time wanted Nixon out and he had the
decency to resign. I'll be holding a grudge against the Democrats
for a long time over their apologist attitude for the antics of
the Rapist in Chief. I think the Clinton era was a total
disgrace.
Strider
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He left the NRA (good riddence) because of a newsletter that quoted, I
believe, Democrat Sen. Dingell who called government agents "jack-
booted thugs".
SMS Mike
Harry Hope wrote:
>
> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> killing."
> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
<<<==============================================>>>>
SMS: Bush did the politically CORRECT thing. There is no earthly reason
for him to become involved in the fight between Clinton and the NRA. He
SHOULD distance himself from that confrontation.
As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
USE of trigger locks!
Bush knows exactly what he is saying and doing when it comes to guns, and
gun laws!
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Henry Glenworthy wrote:
>
> Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> >From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> >http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
> >By Ken Herman
> >American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
> >Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> >Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >attacks on President Clinton.
>
> >>>>
>
> Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
> at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
You'd better vote for Dubya in November, or you'll have Bill Clinton's
fundraising pimp, Albert "Buddhist Temple" Gore, as your next President.
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Al Montestruc wrote:
>
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> > George W. Bush
>
> Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
>
> Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
>
> Harry Browne for President!!
>
> The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
>
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> Before you buy.
I LIKE Browne, but the problem is, he'll drain votes from Bush, and then
Bill Clinton's fundraising pimp, Albert "I invented the Internet" Whore
will become our next President.
We really need to change our election system so third party candidates
would have a chance. E.g. suppose it's between Bush, Browne, and Whore.
You get to vote for your first and second choices. I vote for Browne,
but he comes in third and is eliminated. Then my vote goes to Bush, and
Albert Whore gets stopped (we hope). That would encourage LOTS of people
to vote for Browne, and he might actually win! Hurrah!
Strider
Al Montestruc wrote:
>
> In article <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
> >
> > From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> > http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >
> > By Ken Herman
> > American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >
> > Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> > Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> > attacks on President Clinton.
> >
> > Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> > gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
> >
> > NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> > Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> > his political agenda," including Gore's election.
> >
> > "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> > right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> > killing."
> >
> > Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
> >
> > The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> > trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> > Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
> >
> > George W. Bush
>
> Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
>
> Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
>
> Harry Browne for President!!
>
> The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
>
> www.lp.org
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Harry doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I
think that it is imperative to get the Clinton/Gore people out of
Washington and, if possible, in jail. Voting Libertarian is
certainly a nice gesture but it's a vote for Gore.
Lee Harrison
riv...@ix.netcom.com wrote on 3/16/00 2:16 PM:
> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
Search the NRA database for "Shrub."
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Al Montestruc
riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
>
> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
> By Ken Herman
> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> attacks on President Clinton.
>
> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
>
> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
>
> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> killing."
>
> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
thinkin...@my-deja.com
Al Montestruc <monte...@my-deja.com> wrote:
I have to agree with this. Libertarians are the only candidates
looking to protect the constitution in it's entirety and put emotions
back where they belong.
David Lentz
SMS Mike wrote:
<snip>
> SMS: Bush did the politically CORRECT thing. There is no earthly reason
> for him to become involved in the fight between Clinton and the NRA. He
> SHOULD distance himself from that confrontation.
>
> As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
> INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
> USE of trigger locks!
>
> Bush knows exactly what he is saying and doing when it comes to guns, and
> gun laws!
> --
American presidential politics is fought for the middle ground.
Of the two, Clinton/Gore and G.W. Bush only Bush sounded like a
moderate. Bush both distanced himself from Wayne LaPierre's
statement without the disparaging language used by B.J. Clinton
and Al Gore.
Note this, pattern. It will continue. Bush will make every
effort to act and sound reasoable.
David
offb...@my-deja.com
"William A. Levinson" <wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
>
> I LIKE Browne, but the problem is, he'll drain votes from Bush, and
then
> Bill Clinton's fundraising pimp, Albert "I invented the Internet"
Whore
> will become our next President.
Bush is losing a lot of gun owners "to the couch" because of how he is
trying for the weaker pro gun control voters. We need someone to pull
the "too disgusted" vote out.
thinkin...@my-deja.com
Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote:
>
Harry himself says he can't win. But you see, the more votes he gets
this election, the more likely he--or any other Libertarian candidate--
is likely to have a real chance in 2004.
The reason the Dems and Reps have a stronghold is because of voter
complacency. Unless you actually make the statement of having had
enough by voting for a third party, this cycle continues. Not only
that, the media only pays attention to two candidates, because they
figure, no one really cares.
Change never comes about radically. But people need to vote for WHO
and WHAT they believe in, not the lesser evil. If we vote for the
lesser evil, the two larger evils will always maintain a stronghold.
>
> Harry doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I
> think that it is imperative to get the Clinton/Gore people out of
> Washington and, if possible, in jail. Voting Libertarian is
> certainly a nice gesture but it's a vote for Gore.
>
> Strider
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Dan Day
Glenw...@xteleport.com> wrote:
>
>>Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>>attacks on President Clinton.
>
>at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
Note that it's the AUTHOR OF THE PIECE that decided to call
Bush's remarks "distancing himself" from the NRA. Bush's
actual comment was simply that he thought the NRA comment was
wrong. I disagree in this particular case, but disagreeing
with the NRA is not an unpardonable sin -- there are some
things they've said that I've thought were wrong, too. People
never agree 100% of the time.
Also, you're incorrect when you say that he's "no better than his
dad". Here in Texas, we would not have a concealed carry law if
it were not for George W. Bush. Not only did he sign the bill
into law, but before the legislature had even gotten in session
the year that Bush was elected Governor, Bush loudly and publicly
encouraged the legislature to pass such a bill, saying in advance
that if they passed it, he'd sign it.
Bush Sr. would *never* have done that.
Young Bush believes in concealed carry, and is not afraid to
say so out loud. That's a very important litmus test, one that
his father never would have passed.
Strider
waste my vote on a third party sure loser this time. I am
convinced that, if we don't get Gore out of DC then all hell is
going to break loose. I see this as the primary goal. Bush will
not be as bad as the Clinton administration was or the Gore will
be. It is absolutely critical that Gore not be elected so,
therefore, I must vote Republican this time.
Strider
Strider
God bless Texas!
I'm still voting for Bush. I'd vote for Yosemite Sam if I thought
he could beat Gore.
Strider
Lee Harrison wrote:
>
> in article 38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com, Harry Hope at
> riv...@ix.netcom.com wrote on 3/16/00 2:16 PM:
>
> > Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
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position on uncontrolled immigration and lack of support for the Second
Amendment are clear indications of his true colors.
The Republican Party keeps sending me fund raising literature and I
have been dropping all of it into the round file. I told them more than
10 years ago I am no longer a Republican. Now I have started taking it
one step further. Every time I get another piece of their junk mail
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note expressing my sincere displeasure with their inability /
unwillingness to do something about lowering taxes, shrinking the size
of our government, protecting my Second Amendment rights, strengthening
our military and getting us OUT of the United Nations.
Will it do any good? Maybe not - but I still enjoy doing it and, who
knows, if enough people send them the same message...
Harry Hope wrote:
> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>
> By Ken Herman
> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>
> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> attacks on President Clinton.
>
> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
>
> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
>
> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> killing."
>
> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
>
> Harry
>
> "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
>
> George W. Bush
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When are you going to answer me dolt? Hiding again?
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> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:41:32 GMT, d...@firstnethou.com (Dan Day) wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:52 -0800, "Henry Glenworthy" <Henry
> >Glenw...@xteleport.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >>>attacks on President Clinton.
> >>
> >>at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
> >
> >Note that it's the AUTHOR OF THE PIECE that decided to call
> >Bush's remarks "distancing himself" from the NRA. Bush's
> >actual comment was simply that he thought the NRA comment was
> >wrong. I disagree in this particular case, but disagreeing
> >with the NRA is not an unpardonable sin -- there are some
> >things they've said that I've thought were wrong, too. People
> >never agree 100% of the time.
>
>
> NRA at two separate times.
>
> The first was Wayne "Jack Booted Thug" LaPierre on the morning
> 'talking head' shows.
Is it hard for you to act like such an ass, or is it natural?
Zepp
<wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>Henry Glenworthy wrote:
>>
>> Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>>
>> >From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
>> >http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>>
>> >By Ken Herman
>> >American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>>
>> >Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>> >Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>> >attacks on President Clinton.
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
>> at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
>
>You'd better vote for Dubya in November, or you'll have Bill Clinton's
>fundraising pimp, Albert "Buddhist Temple" Gore, as your next President.
Amazing what kind of trash you'll settle for, in order to assuage your
own mindless fears.
>
>--
>William A. Levinson
>
>POLITICAL EVOLUTION: Liberals ==> Connect brains, think for selves ==>
>Libertarians
>
>College liberals ==> get jobs ==> get first paychecks ==> see what the
>government has taken out ==> college educated Republicans
>
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>and Al Gore's
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>
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>
>
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"Zepp" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:38d1c732...@news.snowcrest.net...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:52 -0500, "William A. Levinson"
> <wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> >>
> >> Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> >>
> >> >From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> >> >http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >>
> >> >By Ken Herman
> >> >American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >>
> >> >Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> >> >Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >> >attacks on President Clinton.
> >>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> >> Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
> >> at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
> >
> >You'd better vote for Dubya in November, or you'll have Bill Clinton's
> >fundraising pimp, Albert "Buddhist Temple" Gore, as your next President.
>
> Amazing what kind of trash you'll settle for, in order to assuage your
> own mindless fears.
Amazing how much you'll lie to promote your own political agenda.
Marksman
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:10:47 GMT, Al Montestruc
> <monte...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
>
>
> >Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
>
> It's easier than winning!
>
> >Harry Browne for President!!
>
> He needs your 300 votes!> The only party with 1% of the popular vote as well.
>
> Volt
>
Is it hard for you to act like such an ass, or is it natural? Still running
away dolt? Can't you even ONCE act like a man and not the coward that you
are?
Marksman
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:05:30 -0500, Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree with you in principle but I just can't bring myself to
> >waste my vote on a third party sure loser this time. I am
> >convinced that, if we don't get Gore out of DC then all hell is
> >going to break loose.
>
thinkin...@my-deja.com
I'd like to interject that if people don't start voting third party,
the media, therefore the public, won't give third parties the attention
they need in order to gain an election. After all, a great deal of the
population actually believes what their television tells them they
should. A libertarian won't win the election this year. But both
candidates are compromisers. A libertarian in office in 2004--which is
possible if it gets close this time--can undo all the unconstitutional
garbage. Political change takes baby steps, and it is extremely short
sighted not to vote to change the tides now!
In article <_0kA4.7261$SS6.1...@news4.atl>,
Gunner
>
>
>Harry Hope wrote:
>>
>> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
>> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
>> killing."
>
>> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
>> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
><<<==============================================>>>>
>
> SMS: Bush did the politically CORRECT thing. There is no earthly reason
>for him to become involved in the fight between Clinton and the NRA. He
>SHOULD distance himself from that confrontation.
>
> As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
>INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
>USE of trigger locks!
>
>Bush knows exactly what he is saying and doing when it comes to guns, and
>gun laws!
I quite agree. 100%
Hang in there, guys, and watch. Bush has to get elected before he can do us any good. So
make sure he gets elected.
Gunner
--------------------------
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program
a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
gallantly. Specialization is for insects." Robert Heinlein
Rosies Page http://rosie.acmecity.com/flower/277/
homepage http://userzweb.lightspeed.net/gunner
David L. Moffitt
"Lee Harrison" <lee...@amaonline.com> wrote in message
news:B4F713F0.8A48%lee...@amaonline.com...
> in article 38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com, Harry Hope at
> riv...@ix.netcom.com wrote on 3/16/00 2:16 PM:
>
> > Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>
%%%%% You just convinced me to vote for George by showing he is not a tax
and spend person! That's what I like in a
politician!
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member----and damn proud of it!
"I have little patience with people who take the Bill of Rights for
granted. The Bill of Rights, contained in the first ten amendments to the
Constitution, is every American's guarantee of freedom."
President Harry S. Truman
William Hughes
<sms...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
> INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
> USE of trigger locks!
Why? Why should I, or anyone else, be required by government coersion to
purchase something that will never be used?
> Bush knows exactly what he is saying and doing when it comes to guns, and
> gun laws!
Yep. Selling out.
kingsman
<thinkin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8as157$hjh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8as0mk$h8f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Al Montestruc <monte...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with this. Libertarians are the only candidates
> looking to protect the constitution in it's entirety and put emotions
> back where they belong.
>
> >
> > Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and
> Republicans?
> >
> > Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
> >
> > Harry Browne for President!!
> >
> > The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
> >
> > www.lp.org
> >
Gail Weasel
>
> SMS Mike wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > SMS: Bush did the politically CORRECT thing. There is no earthly reason
> > for him to become involved in the fight between Clinton and the NRA. He
> > SHOULD distance himself from that confrontation.
> >
> > INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
> > USE of trigger locks!
> >
> > gun laws!
>
> American presidential politics is fought for the middle ground.
> Of the two, Clinton/Gore and G.W. Bush only Bush sounded like a
> moderate. Bush both distanced himself from Wayne LaPierre's
> statement without the disparaging language used by B.J. Clinton
> and Al Gore.
>
> Note this, pattern. It will continue. Bush will make every
> effort to act and sound reasoable.
He's going to have to do a little more than "talk the talk."
The Washington Post called him "the gun-happy governor"
yesterday for making it easier for Texans to carry
concealed weapons.
Boy George has some 'xplaining to do.
> David
Zepp
>In article <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
>>
>> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
>> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
>>
>> By Ken Herman
>> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
>>
>> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>> attacks on President Clinton.
>>
>> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
>> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
>>
>> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
>> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
>> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
>>
>> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
>> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
>> killing."
>>
>> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
>> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
>>
>> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
>> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
>
>Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
>and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
>worse than it already looks.
>
>Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
>some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
That was when Wayne La Fascist wrote his remark about government
agents being "jack-booted thugs".
>
>B., fighting off senility
>
>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
>>
>> George W. Bush
>>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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Bert Hyman
>
>He's going to have to do a little more than "talk the talk."
>
>The Washington Post called him "the gun-happy governor"
>yesterday for making it easier for Texans to carry
>concealed weapons.
If they really said that, I'm sure it was on the editorial page; the Post's
editorial policy is well known and usually doesn't have anything to do with
the real world. Here's a little snippet of a ->news<- article on the subject
that they just ran:
" ...like other initial foes of the statute, Kenneth Yarbrough, who headed
the Texas Association of Police Chiefs in the early 1990s, said there is no
evidence of an increase in gun violence since the law took effect. "The
things we were worried about have not happened," said Yarbrough, a suburban
chief near Dallas."
Washington Post,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18384-2000Mar15.html
>
>Boy George has some 'xplaining to do.
>
Maybe he and the governors of the other 30 or so states that have similar
laws regarding carrying concealed handguns should all explain to you just why
you're wrong.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@visi.com
Mysterion
Volt wrote in message <38d7c139...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>Why should Bush worry about protecting himself with a personal firearm
>>when he has Secret Service agents armed with sub-machineguns all around
>>him?
>
>I thought you Gun Whores called them, "Jack booted Thugs?"
>
>Thanks for showing your extremism yet AGAIN!
What are you babbling about, slavewhore?
mahab...@my-deja.com
> >
> > >
> > > Harry
> > >
> > > "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
> > >
> > > George W. Bush
> > >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> accurate assessment about the AFT as "a bunch of jack booted
> thugs."
Ah, yes. It comes back to me now.
>
> This Presidential election is like most of the last six or eight,
> a choice as to who is the least evil. Frankly, I think you could
> put all the candidates in a big blender, chop them up, and still
> couldn't come up with the ingredients for a President. Sounds
> fun, though, let's give it a try.
I'd push the "chop" button in a minute. Once again, I have a choice
between someone I don't like and someone I can't stand. It's more
painful this year than usual, probably because I had some fleeting
moments of hope regarding McCain.
> At this point I intend to vote for Bush because he seems to hold
> personal freedom and the Constitution in higher regard than Gore.
That may be, but having survived the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s, decades
that included various Red Panics, McCarthyism, J. Edgar Hoover, Vietnam,
and Richard Nixon, I have faith that the Bill of Rights will continue to
function and protect me. Gore ain't half that scary. Underneath it all
IMO Gore is a regulation-issue politician and a reasonably bright
fellow, which means ya gotta keep an eye on him, but he can probably do
the job. And, my impression of him is that he cares about accomplishing
things.
Bush, on the other hand, strikes me as being arrogant, emotionally and
intellectually shallow, self-absorbed, spoiled, utterly lacking in
integrity, and only interested in being President for the glory of it,
not for what service he might render to his country. He does seem to
have a passionate interest in education, which is commendable, but that
tells me he is still thinking like a governor. IMO education is more of
a state-level issue than a federal-level issue.
Both guys comes from privileged backgrounds, and you can argue that
neither would have amounted to much had he been born into a more hunble
family. But IMO that goes double for Bush. His background is utterly
unimpressive to me. Gore is more experienced and better prepared to be
President. Not that I'm excited about that, but less uncomfortable.
Bush scares me. His economic plans scare the shit out of me. His lack of
grasp of foreign affairs issues terrifies me. His record on the
environment and his connections to big money interests are also
worrisome. IMO he is capable of doing far more harm as President than
Gore probably would do.
> Anybody but Gore. I'm so pissed at the Dems. right now I never
> intend to vote for one in either national or local elections.
I said the same thing about Republicans after Nixon, but somehow I've
voted for a lot of Republicans since then. I finally figured out that
neither party has all the answers and both are equally capable of deceit
and corruption. I vote on issues and indiduals, not party.
Not all Democrats are Clinton. Hell, Gore isn't even Clinton. History
tells us that when a former Vice President becomes President, the new
administration is NOT a continuation of the old one. Once becoming
Presidents, former VPs sooner or later shake free of the old President's
way of doing things and strike off on their own courses.
I would tell anyone that if you don't want to vote for Gore because you
don't like or agree with Gore, that's respectable, but if you're not
voting for Gore because you don't like Clinton, that's idiocy.
> Yes, I've voted for Democrats over the years but never again. At
> least the Republicans at the time wanted Nixon out and he had the
> decency to resign.
That's a revision of history, son. It didn't happen that way. Nixon and
the GOP drug their heels and put the nation through several months'
worth of scandal and acrimony and televised investigations as facts
slowly came to light, and all the while Nixon was proclaiming "I am not
a crook" and saying his enemies were out to get him. It wasn't until he
was informed that the House Committee was about to vote to recommend
impeachment that he resigned.
As Nixon's trangressions involved abuse of power rather then mere
lawbreaking, they were more clearly impeachable under the Constitution
than the charges brought against Clinton (which is not to say he hasn't
abused power, but that's not what he was charged with). Nixon knew he
would almost probably have been impeached and dumped from office.
Clinton must have realized he had a shot at beating the charges, so he
stuck it out.
> I'll be holding a grudge against the Democrats
> for a long time over their apologist attitude for the antics of
> the Rapist in Chief.
OK, but don't let it cloud your judgment regarding Republicans. When you
start thinking that one party is the "bad" party and the other party is
the "good" party, you are being fooled. Don't trust any of 'em as far as
you can throw them, son.
> I think the Clinton era was a total
> disgrace.
Not as bad as Nixon's, and the economy is better.
Do not doubt that things could be MUCH worse than they are now.
B.
mahab...@my-deja.com
"Marksman" <kli...@palace.com> wrote:
>
> "Zepp" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
> news:38d1c732...@news.snowcrest.net...
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:52 -0500, "William A. Levinson"
> > <wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> > >>
> > >> >http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> > >>
> > >> >By Ken Herman
> > >> >American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> > >>
> > >> >Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> > >> >Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> > >> >attacks on President Clinton.
> > >>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> > >> at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
> > >
> > >You'd better vote for Dubya in November, or you'll have Bill Clinton's
> > >fundraising pimp, Albert "Buddhist Temple" Gore, as your next President.
> >
> > Amazing what kind of trash you'll settle for, in order to assuage your
> > own mindless fears.
>
> Amazing how much you'll lie to promote your own political agenda.
You think Bush doesn't lie when it's to his advantage?
B., bemused at the ignorance maintained by partisan ideology
mahab...@my-deja.com
"David L. Moffitt" <MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Lee Harrison" <lee...@amaonline.com> wrote in message
> news:B4F713F0.8A48%lee...@amaonline.com...
> > in article 38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com, Harry Hope at
> > riv...@ix.netcom.com wrote on 3/16/00 2:16 PM:
> >
> > > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
> >
And if he's anything like his daddy, he'll wreck the economy in other
ways. After you don't have a job, you won't be so worried about taxes!!
B.
>
> David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member----and damn proud of it!
>
> "I have little patience with people who take the Bill of Rights for
> granted. The Bill of Rights, contained in the first ten amendments to the
> Constitution, is every American's guarantee of freedom."
> President Harry S. Truman
>
>
Strider
Volt wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:05:30 -0500, Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree with you in principle but I just can't bring myself to
> >waste my vote on a third party sure loser this time. I am
> >convinced that, if we don't get Gore out of DC then all hell is
> >going to break loose.
>
> Like 8 more years of economic prosperity and right wing ass whupping?
>
> YOU BET!
No, we will boot even more Liberal Democratic dunces out of
Congress. Then we will continue the economic boom brought on by
the Republican majority in spite of every effort by the Clinton
administration to tax, spend, tax, spend, and continue the
economic downslide of the last 40 years.
Getting the crime syndicate out of the White House will restore
some measure of honor and respect to the office of the President.
Not all that many Americans are whining, bleating, apologist
Liberals such as yourself and most of us want a President that
has some measure of principal.
>
> >I see this as the primary goal. Bush will
> >not be as bad as the Clinton administration was or the Gore will
> >be. It is absolutely critical that Gore not be elected so,
> >therefore, I must vote Republican this time.
>
> Either way you will back another LOSER, whiner!
That's the problem with you knee jerk Liberals. You can't stand a
dose of reality. What kind of drugs do the Democrat's pass out
that make your brains go numb and you start chanting the party
line? You know damn well the Clinton administration, along with
Algore, has been the most corrupt in the 20th Century. They gotta
go!
Strider
>
> >thinkin...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <38D1A54B...@usit.net>,
> >> Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> Harry himself says he can't win. But you see, the more votes he gets
> >> this election, the more likely he--or any other Libertarian candidate--
> >> is likely to have a real chance in 2004.
> >
> >> The reason the Dems and Reps have a stronghold is because of voter
> >> complacency. Unless you actually make the statement of having had
> >> enough by voting for a third party, this cycle continues. Not only
> >> that, the media only pays attention to two candidates, because they
> >> figure, no one really cares.
> >> Change never comes about radically. But people need to vote for WHO
> >> and WHAT they believe in, not the lesser evil. If we vote for the
> >> lesser evil, the two larger evils will always maintain a stronghold.
> >> >
> >> > Harry doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I
> >> > think that it is imperative to get the Clinton/Gore people out of
> >> > Washington and, if possible, in jail. Voting Libertarian is
> >> > certainly a nice gesture but it's a vote for Gore.
>
> Ecrasons l'infame
>
> Join the War on Right Wing Ignorance
> http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/
>
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> http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/campaign2000.html
>
> ==============================================================
> "By the way. I didn't think the N.R.A. was right to characterize the
> president the way they did. I don't believe the president is anxious
> to use death to advance an agenda."
>
> ---George DubYa. March 16, 2000
> ==============================================================
Strider
Gail Weasel wrote:
>
> David Lentz wrote:
> >
> > SMS Mike wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > SMS: Bush did the politically CORRECT thing. There is no earthly reason
> > > for him to become involved in the fight between Clinton and the NRA. He
> > > SHOULD distance himself from that confrontation.
> > >
> > > As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
> > > INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with mandatory
> > > USE of trigger locks!
> > >
> > > Bush knows exactly what he is saying and doing when it comes to guns, and
> > > gun laws!
> > > --
> >
> > American presidential politics is fought for the middle ground.
> > Of the two, Clinton/Gore and G.W. Bush only Bush sounded like a
> > moderate. Bush both distanced himself from Wayne LaPierre's
> > statement without the disparaging language used by B.J. Clinton
> > and Al Gore.
> >
> > Note this, pattern. It will continue. Bush will make every
> > effort to act and sound reasoable.
>
> He's going to have to do a little more than "talk the talk."
>
> The Washington Post called him "the gun-happy governor"
> yesterday for making it easier for Texans to carry
> concealed weapons.
>
> Boy George has some 'xplaining to do.
>
> > David
I want a gun happy President. 'Nuff explanation for me.
Strider
Strider
Zepp wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:05:47 GMT, mahab...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
> >>
> >> From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> >> http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >>
> >> By Ken Herman
> >> American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >>
> >> Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> >> Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >> attacks on President Clinton.
> >>
> >> Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> >> gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
> >>
> >> NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> >> Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> >> his political agenda," including Gore's election.
> >>
> >> "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> >> right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> >> killing."
> >>
> >> Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> >> hunter without being a member of the NRA."
> >>
> >> The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> >> trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
> >>
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >> Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
> >
> >Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
> >and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
> >worse than it already looks.
> >
> >Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
> >some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
>
> That was when Wayne La Fascist wrote his remark about government
> agents being "jack-booted thugs".
> >
In light of the burning of the church at Waco and killing 86 of
it's members plus the murder of Gary Weaver's wife and 14 year
old son, "jack booted thugs" was putting it mildly.
Strider
> >B., fighting off senility
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >> "You’re working hard to put food on your family"
> >>
> >> George W. Bush
> >>
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
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>
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Strider
Volt wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:10:47 GMT, Al Montestruc
> <monte...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
>
> Your right to get coked up and play with guns?
>
> >Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
>
> It's easier than winning!
>
> >Harry Browne for President!!
>
> He needs your 300 votes!
>
> >The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
> >
> >www.lp.org
>
> The only party with 1% of the popular vote as well.
>
> Volt
>
> Ecrasons l'infame
>
> Join the War on Right Wing Ignorance
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> "By the way. I didn't think the N.R.A. was right to characterize the
> president the way they did. I don't believe the president is anxious
> to use death to advance an agenda."
>
> ---George DubYa. March 16, 2000
> ==============================================================
Vote for anybody but Gore the Whore.
Strider
David Lentz
Gail Weasel wrote:
<snip>
> > American presidential politics is fought for the middle ground.
> > Of the two, Clinton/Gore and G.W. Bush only Bush sounded like a
> > moderate. Bush both distanced himself from Wayne LaPierre's
> > statement without the disparaging language used by B.J. Clinton
> > and Al Gore.
> >
> > Note this, pattern. It will continue. Bush will make every
> > effort to act and sound reasoable.
>
> He's going to have to do a little more than "talk the talk."
>
> The Washington Post called him "the gun-happy governor"
> yesterday for making it easier for Texans to carry
> concealed weapons.
>
> Boy George has some 'xplaining to do.
I don't think any sane Texas politician could oppose concealed
carry in the wake of the Luby's massacre. In Texas a lady with a
concealed carry permit watched as her parents were gunned down.
She had left her weapon in her vehicle. So because she was
unarmed, she was unable to have chance to save the lives of her
parents. After the incident she become quite a vocal and
effective advocate for concealed carry.
For the "Washington Post" to be ignorant of this history suggests
a calous and uncaring attitude so typical of the hoplophobes. As
long as the Luby's incident burns in the minds of Texas voters,
gun control will will be a third rail topic in the state.
David
zepp, a weasel
wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:05:47 GMT, mahab...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>Even Dubya isn't such a dolt that he can't stick his finger in the air
>>and tell which way the wind is blowing. LaPierre is making the NRA look
>>worse than it already looks.
>>
>>Also, I seem to remember Dubya's dad renouncing his NRA membership after
>>some nutty thing the NRA did, but the details escape me.
>
>The infamous "jack-booted thugs" letter.
Another one of Wayne La Fascist's triumphs in public relations.
>
>
>- SemiScholar
>
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>>
>> That was when Wayne La Fascist wrote his remark about government
>> agents being "jack-booted thugs".
>> >
>In light of the burning of the church at Waco and killing 86 of
>it's members plus the murder of Gary Weaver's wife and 14 year
>old son, "jack booted thugs" was putting it mildly.
>
>Strider
Also what the weasel fails to remember was that it was a Democratic congressman that
called the government agents JBT's first.
Rick Bowen
May God bless Texas
TSRA Life Member
NRA Member
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people
who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the
existing Government, they can exercise their
constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary
right to dismember or overthrow it.
-Abraham Lincoln
First Inaugural Address
Monday, March 4th, 1861
Mitch Dickson
real pencil necked geek. Are you really so fucking stupid as to believe
that if people like us who actually work and constantly build the world you
live in, were to quit or be stopped that you could survive? What would you
do if we just sat down and said "you do it. You feed us. You build our
houses. You make our living. You grow our food. You wipe our ass." You
and your left wing bullshit cronies and politicians have just about killed
the goose that lays the golden eggs. When we are gone it will be laughable
to watch you try to steal from each other!
WHO IS JOHN GALT?
Mitch
--
"I still miss my EX, but my aim is getting better"
mitch@volstate,net
Volt <Volt...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:52 -0800, "Henry Glenworthy" <Henry
> Glenw...@xteleport.com> wrote:
>
> >Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> >
> >>From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> >>http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >
> >>By Ken Herman
> >>American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >
> >>Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> >>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >>attacks on President Clinton.
> >
> >Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
> >at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
>
> Either way you lose, Hank.
>
> But that's what you do, isn't it?
>
> Volt
>
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>
> --George DubYa when faced with the American
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Frank Ney
xer...@my-deja.com to write:
Speaking of former President George Bush:
>He left the NRA (good riddence) because of a newsletter that quoted, I
>believe, Democrat Sen. Dingell who called government agents "jack-
>booted thugs".
We should have kicked his ass out after he signed the import ban E.O.
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Robert Frenchu <Robert_Frenchu*REMOVE*@yahoo.com> to write:
>>Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
>>Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
>>attacks on President Clinton.
>
>That's what happens when father and son are forced to share a spine.
I'm amazed that someone believes they have a spine to share between them...
Bama Brian
Libertarian candidate is automatically a vote for "pick the party you
detest".
It ain't so, Joe. There'll be as many Demlicans voting Libertarian as
there'll be Republocrats changing allegiances.
And haven't you guys figured out yet that Gee Dubya is as virulently
anti-gun as his "joined the NRA just for political clout" daddy was? Gee
Dubya is already attacking the NRA - and he's not even been elected. Just
wait and see what little hairy things pop out of his briefcase if he's
elected. And I seem to recall Gee Dubya recently making a comment about the
RKBA supporting the right to hunt. How nice.
You damn well better vote your conscience and stop trying to vote for a
"winner". This ain't no friggin' lottery - it's your lives and freedom at
stake.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
NRA Life
GOA Life
Libertarian
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil.
Vote Libertarian. You'll be glad you did.
Strider <str...@usit.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Al Montestruc wrote:
> >
> > In article <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> > riv...@ix.netcom.com (Harry Hope) wrote:
> > >
> > > From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> > > http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> > >
> > > By Ken Herman
> > > American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> > >
> > > Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> > > Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> > > attacks on President Clinton.
> > >
> > > Bush disagreed with the NRA's recent assertion that Clinton accepts
> > > gun violence because he wants to use it as a political issue.
> > >
> > > NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last weekend that
> > > Clinton is "willing to accept a certain level of killing to further
> > > his political agenda," including Gore's election.
> > >
> > > "What they said about the president," Bush said, "I don't think is
> > > right. I thought they were wrong in saying the president condones
> > > killing."
> > >
> > > Bush said he never joined the NRA, noting: "I think you can be a
> > > hunter without being a member of the NRA."
> > >
> > > The governor also said he is willing to sign a law requiring that
> > > trigger locks be sold with all handguns.
> > >
> > > ____________________________________
> > >
> > > Do I detect a sign of life? Must be a mirage.
> > >
> > > Harry
> > >
> > > "You're working hard to put food on your family"
> > >
> > > George W. Bush
> >
> > Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
> >
> > Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
> >
> > Harry Browne for President!!
> >
> > The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
> >
> > www.lp.org
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Harry doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I
> think that it is imperative to get the Clinton/Gore people out of
> Washington and, if possible, in jail. Voting Libertarian is
> certainly a nice gesture but it's a vote for Gore.
>
Dan Day
>Last Sunday two men gave almost the same arguments in support of the
>NRA at two separate times.
>
>The first was Wayne "Jack Booted Thug" LaPierre on the morning
>'talking head' shows.
>
>The other was Timmy McVeigh on 60 Minutes.
And Hitler was an anti-smoking crusader.
So?
An idea does not become invalid just because a criminal also
believes it.
Only a child would think that it does. Begone, child.
--
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the
plain Meaning of Words!"
--Samuel Adams (1722-1803), letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776
Strider
Bama Brian wrote:
>
> I'm appalled by the number of people who seem to think that a vote for a
> Libertarian candidate is automatically a vote for "pick the party you
> detest".
>
> It ain't so, Joe. There'll be as many Demlicans voting Libertarian as
> there'll be Republocrats changing allegiances.
If you vote third party, you will help elect Gore. If that's what
you want to do with your protest vote, fine. Democrats are in far
too lockstep with the party line to break out and the Republicans
are in the minority. However, Republicans do have more tendency
to break with the establishment and vote third party. It's just a
matter of numbers. That's what happened in 1994. Perot pulled
enough votes away from Bush that the Clinton nightmare was
allowed to begin. Bush Sr. pissed off enough Conservatives to
sufficiently split the party.
>
> And haven't you guys figured out yet that Gee Dubya is as virulently
> anti-gun as his "joined the NRA just for political clout" daddy was? Gee
> Dubya is already attacking the NRA - and he's not even been elected. Just
> wait and see what little hairy things pop out of his briefcase if he's
> elected. And I seem to recall Gee Dubya recently making a comment about the
> RKBA supporting the right to hunt. How nice.
Bush Jr. did sign off on the Texas CCW bill. I can never imagine
Gore doing that.
>
> You damn well better vote your conscience and stop trying to vote for a
> "winner". This ain't no friggin' lottery - it's your lives and freedom at
> stake.
Yep. That's why I'm going to vote for Bush. I see Algore as a
major threat and poor Harry ain't gonna stop him.
Strider
Panhead
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:31:57 GMT, Volt...@mindspring.com (Volt) wrote:
> >Last Sunday two men gave almost the same arguments in support of the
> >NRA at two separate times.
> >
> >The first was Wayne "Jack Booted Thug" LaPierre on the morning
> >'talking head' shows.
> >
> >The other was Timmy McVeigh on 60 Minutes.
>
> And Hitler was an anti-smoking crusader.
>
> So?
>
> An idea does not become invalid just because a criminal also
> believes it.
>
> Only a child would think that it does. Begone, child.
You will notice that only 'low "VOLT" was the only one so very
intrigued with Timothy McVeigh on liberal TV, and what that loser
had to say.
I wonder why he keeps mentioning that show?
(I wonder why he watches that much TV!)
After all, he didn't use a gun to murder all those people, so I
bet only VOLT and his ilk will be the ones to set that person
free to walk the streets again or, give him trial after trial
after trial.
Lemma guess! Volts Jury is gonna shed a tear regarding poor
Timmy's dysfunctional family and the hardship he had while in the
Army, right?
Or when the second trial comes about (if their is one) Volt and
his his army of pathectics will scream out in defense so that he
doesn't get the death penalty.
William A. Levinson
Zepp wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:52 -0500, "William A. Levinson"
> <wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Henry Glenworthy wrote:
> >>
> >> Harry Hope wrote in message <38d13f1a....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> >>
> >> >From The Austin American-Statesman, 3/16/00:
> >> >http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/thursday/news_17.html
> >>
> >> >By Ken Herman
> >> >American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
> >>
> >> >Bush also distanced himself Wednesday from the National Rifle
> >> >Association, saying the powerful lobby went too far in its recent
> >> >attacks on President Clinton.
> >>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> >> Guess he's no better than his dad. I'll still vote for Alan Keyes,
> >> at least he isn't a mealy-mouth dweeb.
> >
> >You'd better vote for Dubya in November, or you'll have Bill Clinton's
> >fundraising pimp, Albert "Buddhist Temple" Gore, as your next President.
>
> Amazing what kind of trash you'll settle for, in order to assuage your
> own mindless fears.
Ah, there you are, Zeppie. You will not escape so easily. I had written,
Let's see, you're calling me (and other Second Amendment supporters)
cowards. I assume that you think you're much braver than we are. I'm
sure all of us cowardly Second Amendment supporters can answer the
following question, let's see you have a go at it.
A big thug has just broken into your house, and he has a knife, icepick,
chain saw, or bludgeon. (I'm even going to concede the very dubious
assumption that the victim disarmament laws you favor have kept him from
getting a firearm.) He plans to hack you to bits, rape and mutilate your
wife/ girlfriend (if any), slaughter your children (if any), and waste
your pet dog/cat/hamster (if any). How are you going to stop him?
Remember, Zepp, you're the brave person, those of us who believe that it
might be a good idea to have a thunderstick in the above scenario are a
bunch of yellow-bellied cowards, right? Please tell us how a brave (but
unarmed) person like you is going to protect yourself and the people who
are depending on you to protect them.
YOUR answer, which shows that your side is intellectually bankrupt (and
devoid of arguments):
"Sneak up behind him and hit him with something, and tie him up."
Poor Volty got whupped pretty good when he came to your defense on this
one... I notice that Atwood and Isham aren't even trying. They know when
to cut their losses and run.
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> If you vote third party, you will help elect Gore. If that's what
> you want to do with your protest vote, fine. Democrats are in far
> too lockstep with the party line to break out and the Republicans
> are in the minority. However, Republicans do have more tendency
> to break with the establishment and vote third party. It's just a
> matter of numbers. That's what happened in 1994. Perot pulled
> enough votes away from Bush that the Clinton nightmare was
> allowed to begin. Bush Sr. pissed off enough Conservatives to
> sufficiently split the party.
Like when John Anderson siphoned enough votes away from James Earl Carter to give
the presidency to Ronald Wilson Reagan. Yep it was William Jefferson Clinton that
led the recovery from the Reaganista nightmare to the surplus that the Republicans
are now arguing how to squander.
Strider
You live in a fantasy world, Bart. The economic recovery happened
because the Republicans too the House & Senate for the first time
since WWII. This is not a mere coincidence. I say the economic
recovery happened IN SPITE of all of Clinton's efforts to spend
it on yet more wasted social programs.
Democrats use your tax dollars to buy votes. That's the only way
they can keep in power anymore. I offer as evidence the recent
debate at the Apollo Theater in Harlem between Gore and Bradley.
A review of that debate will readily reveal that the candidates
were promising to buy the black vote with billions in spending.
It was sick and the worst part is no one cares.
N9NWO
: >
: > Bush Sr. quit the NRA after their President at the time made an
: > accurate assessment about the AFT as "a bunch of jack booted
: > thugs."
:
: Ah, yes. It comes back to me now.
And many gun owners think that the NRA
isn't hard core enough!!
: >
: > This Presidential election is like most of the last six or eight,
: > a choice as to who is the least evil. Frankly, I think you could
: > put all the candidates in a big blender, chop them up, and still
: > couldn't come up with the ingredients for a President. Sounds
: > fun, though, let's give it a try.
:
: I'd push the "chop" button in a minute. Once again, I have a choice
: between someone I don't like and someone I can't stand. It's more
: painful this year than usual, probably because I had some fleeting
: moments of hope regarding McCain.
What many liberals fail to realized is that most moderates
are anti both parties. The independent voters really want
something that isn't the Washington establishment. Thus many
(nearly 45% of of all adults) do not vote at all. And many
are seeking someone, like Jesse Ventura, who will speak
out against the establishment. That was why so many liked
John McCain.
: > At this point I intend to vote for Bush because he seems to hold
: > personal freedom and the Constitution in higher regard than Gore.
:
: That may be, but having survived the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s, decades
: that included various Red Panics, McCarthyism, J. Edgar Hoover, Vietnam,
: and Richard Nixon, I have faith that the Bill of Rights will continue to
: function and protect me. Gore ain't half that scary. Underneath it all
: IMO Gore is a regulation-issue politician and a reasonably bright
: fellow, which means ya gotta keep an eye on him, but he can probably do
: the job. And, my impression of him is that he cares about accomplishing
: things.
Gore reminds me of Nixon. It is exactly his regulation-issue type
of politics that bothers me. As for Gore being bright, that has been
questioned. I think the brightness issue is one of the media's creation.
For both candidates.
Too liberals now equal caring for doing something. Which means
that they allow themselves to be bullshited.
: Bush, on the other hand, strikes me as being arrogant, emotionally and
: intellectually shallow, self-absorbed, spoiled, utterly lacking in
: integrity, and only interested in being President for the glory of it,
: not for what service he might render to his country. He does seem to
: have a passionate interest in education, which is commendable, but that
: tells me he is still thinking like a governor. IMO education is more of
: a state-level issue than a federal-level issue.
Education has been nationalized by the NEA who wants the states
to be dictated to by the Dept. of Education.
As for being a governor, so was Clinton. And Clinton was from
a second rate southern state. But governors have won more elections
than senators (2) for President. And VPs do not often get elected
that often either to the presidency.
In recent history, Carter, Reagan and Clinton were all govenors
who had as much experience as GWB does now.
: Both guys comes from privileged backgrounds, and you can argue that
: neither would have amounted to much had he been born into a more hunble
: family. But IMO that goes double for Bush. His background is utterly
: unimpressive to me. Gore is more experienced and better prepared to be
: President. Not that I'm excited about that, but less uncomfortable.
There are two arguements as to experience. Many believe that
being a governor is better training for the presidency than being
a senator or VP. Some think that we need to get rid of the VP
position as it really does little (Speaker of the House or the senior
most person of the president's party in the senate could step in
as a replacement if the president is unable to complete his term).
: Bush scares me. His economic plans scare the shit out of me. His lack of
: grasp of foreign affairs issues terrifies me. His record on the
: environment and his connections to big money interests are also
: worrisome. IMO he is capable of doing far more harm as President than
: Gore probably would do.
I think that is biggest reason that democrats are voting at all this
year. It is not that they like Gore but rather scared to death that
a republican would win. The question is whether fear will keep
them united?
: > Anybody but Gore. I'm so pissed at the Dems. right now I never
: > intend to vote for one in either national or local elections.
:
: I said the same thing about Republicans after Nixon, but somehow I've
: voted for a lot of Republicans since then. I finally figured out that
: neither party has all the answers and both are equally capable of deceit
: and corruption. I vote on issues and indiduals, not party.
:
: Not all Democrats are Clinton. Hell, Gore isn't even Clinton. History
: tells us that when a former Vice President becomes President, the new
: administration is NOT a continuation of the old one. Once becoming
: Presidents, former VPs sooner or later shake free of the old President's
: way of doing things and strike off on their own courses.
Bush, the father did. And it cost him the election.
Gore is not Clinton. That also means that he does
not have the political skills that Clinton has.
: I would tell anyone that if you don't want to vote for Gore because you
: don't like or agree with Gore, that's respectable, but if you're not
: voting for Gore because you don't like Clinton, that's idiocy.
But people do vote that way. There were those who
hated Reagan so much that they lived to see Bush
fail.
: > Yes, I've voted for Democrats over the years but never again. At
: > least the Republicans at the time wanted Nixon out and he had the
: > decency to resign.
:
: That's a revision of history, son. It didn't happen that way. Nixon and
: the GOP drug their heels and put the nation through several months'
: worth of scandal and acrimony and televised investigations as facts
: slowly came to light, and all the while Nixon was proclaiming "I am not
: a crook" and saying his enemies were out to get him. It wasn't until he
: was informed that the House Committee was about to vote to recommend
: impeachment that he resigned.
It was Goldwater and other senators who came to Nixon
and asked him to step down. That they felt they could not
support him if it came to a vote. It is always the president's
party that will determine if he stays or is impeached.
: As Nixon's trangressions involved abuse of power rather then mere
: lawbreaking, they were more clearly impeachable under the Constitution
: than the charges brought against Clinton (which is not to say he hasn't
: abused power, but that's not what he was charged with). Nixon knew he
: would almost probably have been impeached and dumped from office.
: Clinton must have realized he had a shot at beating the charges, so he
: stuck it out.
Had the '98 election turned in favor of the republicans, Clinton
might have opted out. It is one reason that the Clinton camp
worked very hard to keep the party faithful from not voting. It
is normal for the president's party to back away from him in his
6th year. Clinton used a great deal of fear to keep the party faithful
from deserting him.
: > I'll be holding a grudge against the Democrats
: > for a long time over their apologist attitude for the antics of
: > the Rapist in Chief.
:
: OK, but don't let it cloud your judgment regarding Republicans. When you
: start thinking that one party is the "bad" party and the other party is
: the "good" party, you are being fooled. Don't trust any of 'em as far as
: you can throw them, son.
From his comments, I would say that he would vote
for a good third party if there was one to be had.
: > I think the Clinton era was a total
: > disgrace.
:
: Not as bad as Nixon's, and the economy is better.
:
: Do not doubt that things could be MUCH worse than they are now.
Yet Americans have a feeling that something is missing.
That there should be something more.
N9NWO
: > > George W. Bush
: >
: > Tired of your rights being stomped on by both Democrats and Republicans?
: >
: > Vote LIBERTARIAN!!
: >
: > Harry Browne for President!!
: >
: > The only party with a no compromise gunrights platform.
: >
: > www.lp.org
:
: I LIKE Browne, but the problem is, he'll drain votes from Bush, and then
: Bill Clinton's fundraising pimp, Albert "I invented the Internet" Whore
: will become our next President.
:
: We really need to change our election system so third party candidates
: would have a chance. E.g. suppose it's between Bush, Browne, and Whore.
: You get to vote for your first and second choices. I vote for Browne,
: but he comes in third and is eliminated. Then my vote goes to Bush, and
: Albert Whore gets stopped (we hope). That would encourage LOTS of people
: to vote for Browne, and he might actually win! Hurrah!
Many southern states have only one party that gets elected. Therefore
they have open primaries otherwise some guy wins the primary in a three
way race with only 38%!!
So these states have an open primary elections where everyone runs
against everyone else. If no one gets 51% then there is a run off election
between the top two vote getters.
N9NWO
: >> As for the trigger locks -SURE, why not sign a bill that makes their
: >> INCLUSION in a sale mandatory. That law has nothing to do with
mandatory
: >> USE of trigger locks!
: >Why? Why should I, or anyone else, be required by government coersion to
: >purchase something that will never be used?
: >
:
: Are you an anarchist, then, rather than a (small-d) democrat or
: (small-r) republican? Seems to me that in order to have a community,
: you have to have some mechanism for community decision-making. And
: near as I can tell, those mechanisms are usually called "governments,
: or function as governments even if they're called something else. And
: living in that community inevitably means (a) accepting some
: constraints on your autonomy, and (b) that sometimes the
: government--that is, your fellow citizens--will make decisions you
: disagree with. Is there any place you know of where it's ever been any
: different?
There are a lot of American who still believe in the ethic of
the '70s. No rules, period. Do your own thing.
It is the ethic of the ex-hippies, the John Birchers and many
others who are hyper libertarians.
N9NWO
: waste my vote on a third party sure loser this time. I am
: convinced that, if we don't get Gore out of DC then all hell is
: not be as bad as the Clinton administration was or the Gore will
: be. It is absolutely critical that Gore not be elected so,
: therefore, I must vote Republican this time.
I think that is something that liberals are not seeing.
People like you are not willing to waste your vote
on a third party candidate this year. Clinton has you
pissed, even though he isn't winning.
I saw that a year ago.
N9NWO
: I'd like to interject that if people don't start voting third party,
: the media, therefore the public, won't give third parties the attention
: they need in order to gain an election. After all, a great deal of the
: population actually believes what their television tells them they
: should. A libertarian won't win the election this year. But both
: candidates are compromisers. A libertarian in office in 2004--which is
: possible if it gets close this time--can undo all the unconstitutional
: garbage. Political change takes baby steps, and it is extremely short
: sighted not to vote to change the tides now!
:
The Libertarian party isn't a press favorite. Thus they have a hard
time winning press coverage like McCain or the Reform Party
received. Now the Green Party will be actively supported by the
press. It reflects the views of many journalists.
Therefore if any third party becomes a force, it will be from the
Left. It is the democrats who will split into several parties. If
for no other reason than the fact that the democrats are made of
too many factions which do not like each other.
N9NWO
tax
: > and spend person! That's what I like in a
: > politician!
:
: And if he's anything like his daddy, he'll wreck the economy in other
: ways. After you don't have a job, you won't be so worried about taxes!!
It looks like no matter who wins next year that the
economy is going into a recession. We are seeing
a lot of the early indicators. And this gas price hike
is not helping.
N9NWO
: > you want to do with your protest vote, fine. Democrats are in far
: > too lockstep with the party line to break out and the Republicans
: > are in the minority. However, Republicans do have more tendency
: > to break with the establishment and vote third party. It's just a
: > matter of numbers. That's what happened in 1994. Perot pulled
: > enough votes away from Bush that the Clinton nightmare was
: > allowed to begin. Bush Sr. pissed off enough Conservatives to
: > sufficiently split the party.
:
: Like when John Anderson siphoned enough votes away from James Earl Carter
to give
: the presidency to Ronald Wilson Reagan. Yep it was William Jefferson
Clinton that
: led the recovery from the Reaganista nightmare to the surplus that the
Republicans
: are now arguing how to squander.
There are some who argue that Reagan's reduction of the top
marginal tax rates from 70% to 34% has more to do with the
current economic boom than does Clinton's raising the rates
back to 54%. After all what most democrats want is high tax
rates so that they can dictate what people do via the tax code
and tax breaks.
W A Collier
> >> >> >> >zepp, a weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote
> >> >> >> >> It also eliminated any effective checks at gun shows. You left that
> >> >> >> >> part out, little gun loon.
> >> >> >> Getting a little nervous, biker bitch? The Insta-check nonsense was
> >> >> >> made, knowing that the agencies holding the databases aren't available
> >> >> >> on weekends.
> >> >> >Check you facts you ignoramus. The instacheck works just fine - I've
> >> >> >bought a new shotgun on a Saturday, and a new pistol on a Sunday.
> >> >> Uh huh. National database?
> >> >Yes - by law. NCIC and state check as well.
> >> Bullshit, buddy.
> >
> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
that he cant refute).
W A Collier
Bama Brian
how you can have a "budget surplus" at the same time you have a federal
deficit measured in the trillions of dollars?
Especially when this deficit continues to grow by millions of dollars per
day?
What are you smoking over there?
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
NRA Life
GOA Life
Libertarian
It isn't the lottery - you don't have to pick the "winner".
Vote Libertarian. You'll be glad you did.
Bart Bailey <nos...@all.thanks> wrote in message
news:38D2D06B...@amsat.org...
N9NWO
: >> agents being "jack-booted thugs".
: >> >
: >In light of the burning of the church at Waco and killing 86 of
: >it's members plus the murder of Gary Weaver's wife and 14 year
: >old son, "jack booted thugs" was putting it mildly.
: Just one little problem: paranoia isn't a valid legal excuse for
: treason.
Oh?? I remember a lot of left-winger very fearful about
the "man" back in the late '60s and early '70s. Very afraid
about the CIA and the FBI. Then these left-wingers used
that paranoia to justify their treason (anti war movement).
And if you remember, there was federal activities against
these people. Now might it be that many of the gun owners
you are bitching about are former anti war activists who
have moved to a more libertarian viewpoint???
zepp, a weasel
<waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>Here are the facts Zepp.
>
>> >> >> >> >zepp, a weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> It also eliminated any effective checks at gun shows. You left that
>> >> >> >> >> part out, little gun loon.
>> >> >> >> Getting a little nervous, biker bitch? The Insta-check nonsense was
>> >> >> >> made, knowing that the agencies holding the databases aren't available
>> >> >> >> on weekends.
>> >> >> >Check you facts you ignoramus. The instacheck works just fine - I've
>> >> >> >bought a new shotgun on a Saturday, and a new pistol on a Sunday.
>> >> >> Uh huh. National database?
>> >> >Yes - by law. NCIC and state check as well.
>> >> Bullshit, buddy.
>> >
>> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
>> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
>> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
>
>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>
>Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
>coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
>dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
>that he cant refute).
**********************************************************
William A. Levinson
Volt wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:40:30 -0500, "William A. Levinson"
> <wlev...@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Let's see, you're calling me (and other Second Amendment supporters)
> >cowards. I assume that you think you're much braver than we are. I'm
> >sure all of us cowardly Second Amendment supporters can answer the
> >following question, let's see you have a go at it.
>
> So we are supposed to debate you based on some right wing paranoid
> delusion your harbor?
>
> That's not the way it works, Gun Whore COWARD.
You sound upset about something, Volty. Did you miss your daily dose of
Valium today?
> >A big thug has just broken into your house, and he has a knife, icepick,
> >chain saw, or bludgeon. (I'm even going to concede the very dubious
> >assumption that the victim disarmament laws you favor have kept him from
> >getting a firearm.) He plans to hack you to bits, rape and mutilate your
> >wife/ girlfriend (if any), slaughter your children (if any), and waste
> >your pet dog/cat/hamster (if any). How are you going to stop him?
>
> You are assuming that we all want to disarm you in your home.
You haven't answered the question.
> That is a sure sign of paranoia, Gun Whore COWARD.
Don't get hysterical, Volty. It's a sure sign that you don't have any
arguments and that you're intellecually bankrupt.
> >Remember, Zepp, you're the brave person, those of us who believe that it
> >might be a good idea to have a thunderstick in the above scenario are a
> >bunch of yellow-bellied cowards, right? Please tell us how a brave (but
> >unarmed) person like you is going to protect yourself and the people who
> >are depending on you to protect them.
>
> Who protects your family from you, Gun Whore COWARD?
You DO sound upset. Why don't you try a few primal screams?
> >Poor Volty got whupped pretty good when he came to your defense on this
> >one... I notice that Atwood and Isham aren't even trying. They know when
> >to cut their losses and run.
>
> What if the space aliens attacked your house with ray guns and you
> couldn't get a ray gun to fight back, Gun Whore COWARD?
Remind me not to take whatever mind-altering substances you are
consuming. They have a bad effect.
> Shall we go back to reality where you have a limited right
Limited to what, squirt guns with trigger locks that take an hour to
disconnect? (I'd better be careful, the problem with arguing with an
idiot is that, pretty soon, no one can tell you apart.)
> to keep and
> bear arms under the Second Amendment based on Supreme Court decisions
> and not your imaginary Gun Whore COWARD fantasy world?
>
> Or will you continue to whack off?
You need professional help.
===================================================
David L. Moffitt
"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>
> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
3 days after you are cleared!
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member-----and damn proud of it!
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a
woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound
> ************************************************************
> Pay your taxes so the welfare brood sows can eat!
David L. Moffitt
"Volt" <Volt...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:38db6a47...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:09:42 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
> <MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
> >news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
> >> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
> >> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
> >> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
> >> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
> >>
> >> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
> >> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
> >> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
> >> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
> >
> >%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA
is
> >not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to
wait
> >3 days after you are cleared!
>
%%%% What's wrong Dolt can't rebuff with intelligence so you go into the
stupid mode?
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member----and damn proud of it!
"I have little patience with people who take the Bill of Rights for
granted. The Bill of Rights, contained in the first ten amendments to the
Constitution, is every American's guarantee of freedom."
President Harry S. Truman
Dan Day
>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>That makes you a liar sonny.
That's Zepp all over. I still fondly recall the time I rebutted
his misleading .sig, which said "pay your taxes so the rich
don't have to". I used official IRS figures to show Zepp that
in fact, the rich pay more than their share of taxes (both in
relation to their percentage of the population, *and* in relation
to their income) than do "poorer" people, and in fact the
tax code is specifically set up so that the rich subsidize the
poor, meaning that the *rich* pay the taxes they do "so
the poor don't have to" (the exact opposite of Zepp's scenario).
Zepp tried to weasel out by claiming that my IRS data only showed
effective taxes before deductions, and not actual taxes paid.
I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the IRS figures were,
indeed, ACTUAL TAXES PAID, just like it plainly said
on the original table I posted.
My favorite pathetic dodge from Zepp came when he offered a
way that anyone could "prove" that the figures were not actually
taxes paid, which, Zepp said, anyone could do on a calculator.
I did it on a calculator, and ZEPP'S OWN SUGGESTED METHOD proved
that I was right and he was wrong. He also tried to call it
a "fake chart", despite the fact that I had posted the link
for anyone to go to the IRS website and see it for themselves.
Zepp continued to bluster and declare victory and calling *me*
the liar, and I kept offering to bet him $500 on the claim
if he was so certain of it. He kept dodging and making
excuses until he realized that I was not going to stop
insisting that he put his money where his big mouth was,
so in desperation he finally wrote:
# Subject: Re: Astounding Report on ABC News Tonight
# Message-ID: <3560f869...@news.snowcrest.net>
# Date: 19 May 1998
# Author: zepphol...@snowcrest.net (Zepp Weasel)
#
# Fuck your wager.
Clearly, even Zepp knew he didn't have a leg to stand on.
> And you know what - your ability to be
>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
It faded years ago for me. I guess you're new here.
Here's one of my replies to Zepp during that exchange:
# [I wrote:]
# >>They represent actual taxes paid (on average), as has been
# >>explained to you at least a dozen times now by at least
# >>five different people, you thick-headed nitwit.
# >
# > [Zepp replied:]
# >Then you are, quite simply, lying.
#
# [I rebutted:]
# I've repeatedly tried to get you to accept a five hundred dollar
# wager on the disputed point, Zepp. If I'm so wrong, why haven't
# you taken me up on it and made easy money?
#
# I've repeatedly asked you to go to the IRS website and check out
# the numbers I posted for yourself, Zepp. If I'm so wrong, why
# haven't you proven me wrong?
#
# I've repeatedly asked you to post what you think are the real
# figures for actual taxes paid, if you think mine are wrong, Zepp.
# If I'm so wrong, why haven't you done so?
#
# You're either a bald-faced liar, Zepp, or you're the biggest
# fool I've encountered in years.
#
# Come on, Zepp -- five hundred bucks. Put up or shut up.
Zepp
wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:09:42 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
><MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>>news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
>>> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>>> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>>>
>>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>>
>>%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
>>not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
>>3 days after you are cleared!
So you are admitting that NCIC doesn't work. Thank you. Now go bitch
slap your gun loon buddy who's been howling because I said the same
thing.
God, fucking gun nuts are DUMB...
>
>Does that include 6 year olds Gun Whore?
>
>>David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member-----and damn proud of it!
>
>Just say no to snorting black powder, Kids.
>
>See what it did to this poor Gun Whore!
A coward AND a moron. Sad.
>
> Volt
>
>Ecrasons l'infame
>
>Join the War on Right Wing Ignorance
>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/
>
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>
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>
> --George DubYa when faced with the American
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Yo! Smirk! Where's Canada?
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Thank a liberal!
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
Jetrock
>Please explain to me, and to all the other readers of these newsgroups, just
>how you can have a "budget surplus" at the same time you have a federal
>deficit measured in the trillions of dollars?
um, the trillion-dollar thing is called a "debt", not a deficit. There's a
difference.
The "deficit" is the difference between what the country takes in a year
and what it spends.
The "debt" is the total amount that the country owes in past deficits.
Put it this way: if you make $1000 a month but spend $1100 by putting it
on your credit card, you have a $100 a month deficit. If you do this for a
year, you still have a $100 a month deficit but a $1200 (plus interest)
total debt. If you cut your spending to $1000 a month, you no longer have
a deficit but still owe a $1200+ debt.
Currently, we are running with no deficit: the country takes in more in
taxes than it spends.
We have a large (huge) debt: the government is discussing plans to pay
this off. Whether they actually will or not is anyone's guess. (Mine: No.
If they pay too much of it off, the rich will get pissed that they aren't
getting their quarter-trillion-dollar welfare check and have the
debt-reducers voted out.)
--
--Rev. Jetrock, founder of UBERKUNST, Freelance Digital Appliance Healer
http://emrl.com/~jetrock for UBERKUNST and MONSTER ATTACK information!
W A Collier
> [quoted text muted]
> >
> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
that he cant refute).
> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
The claim isnt empty - its backed up by dozens of gun sales aevery
weekend. Just becuase you are so ignorant and stupid to not look at the
facts doenst mena they dont exist. And the rest of your post is a non
sequitur, you simpleton - a form of the Red Herring fallacious
argumentation technique. The NCIC works or else there isnt an approval.
Go to a gunstore or a Walmart some Saturday and watch the process work,
you poor pitiable liar.
OK Zepp, now do you apologize and retract your lie?
> >
> >Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
> >coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
> >dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
> >that he cant refute).
>
> **********************************************************
> "Newt Gingrich showed the country that when he was Speaker
> of the House, he was banging more than just his gavel."
> -- Mark Russell
>
> For political commentary by Zepp, visit
> http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/zeppol.html
> For links to all things Liberal/Leftist, go to
> http:/www.snowcrest.net/zepp/lynx.htm
> Warning: Contains ideas
W A Collier
says...
> God, fucking gun nuts are DUMB...
Actually not as dumb as you - you repeatedly lie and are such a coward
that you cant admit it and retract it.
> A coward AND a moron. Sad.
Yes you are.
Christopher Morton
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:50:26 GMT, Volt...@mindspring.com (Volt)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:09:42 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
>><MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>>>news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
>>>> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>>> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>>> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>>>> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>>>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>>>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>>>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>>>
>>>%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
>>>not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
>>>3 days after you are cleared!
>
>So you are admitting that NCIC doesn't work. Thank you. Now go bitch
>slap your gun loon buddy who's been howling because I said the same
>thing.
As typically dishonest as your National Alliance Allies.
If Zepp the Collaborator is going to apply the standard "if it ever
breaks, it NEVER works", then logically he must apply that standard to
gun control laws in general.
But being a collaborator with neo-Nazis, he could NEVER be expected to
do anything logical.
---
Gun control, the theory that Black people will be
better off when only Justin Volpe has a gun.
Check out:
TIEMANN BRUCE
Jetrock <jetrock@REMOVE_ME.emrl.com> wrote:
>Currently, we are running with no deficit: the country takes in more in
>taxes than it spends.
Then how come the debt is a larger number than it was last year?
You know the Debt Clock? It keeps going up. Why is that?
Is it possible that Clinton has --->LIED<--- again, this time about there
being a "surplus?"
Marksman
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:58:48 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
> <MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >"Volt" <Volt...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:38db6a47...@news.mindspring.com...
> >> <MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
> >> >> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
> >> >> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is
namecall?
> >> >> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to
be
> >> >> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
> >> >>
> >> >> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
> >> >> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
> >> >> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
> >> >> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
> >> >
> >> >%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The
NRA
> >> >is not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then
having to
> >> >wait 3 days after you are cleared!
> >>
> >stupid mode?
>
>
> You snipped my reply and then attacked me instead of my response.
>
> That is known as a strawman argument.
>
Wrong again buttlicker! Can't you get anything right?
Zepp
<waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
One question, and one question only, gun loon: if NCIC is so great on
weekends, why do you adamantly oppose waiting on gun checks when it
isn't accessible? If it's there, and works, the waiting period should
be moot. Yet you oppose that anyway?
Now tell me, little gun loon. Why IS that?
>In article <38d46e42...@news.snowcrest.net>, ze...@snowcrest.net
>says...
>> God, fucking gun nuts are DUMB...
>
>Actually not as dumb as you - you repeatedly lie and are such a coward
>that you cant admit it and retract it.
>
>> A coward AND a moron. Sad.
>
>Yes you are.
>
>Here are the facts Zepp.
>
>> [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
>> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
>> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
>
>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>
>Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
>coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
>dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
>
>that he cant refute).
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Yo! Smirk! Where's Canada?
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Not dead, in jail or a slave?
Thank a liberal!
For more of Zepp's Commentary, go to http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/zeppol.html
Warning: Contains ideas
For all things liberal/leftist http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/lynx.htm
Zepp
<cm...@mciworld.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:06:58 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:50:26 GMT, Volt...@mindspring.com (Volt)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:09:42 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
>>><MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
>>>>> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>>>> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>>>> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>>>>> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>>>>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>>>>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>>>>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>>>>
>>>>%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
>>>>not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
>>>>3 days after you are cleared!
>>
>>So you are admitting that NCIC doesn't work. Thank you. Now go bitch
>>slap your gun loon buddy who's been howling because I said the same
>>thing.
>
>As typically dishonest as your National Alliance Allies.
>
>If Zepp the Collaborator is going to apply the standard "if it ever
>breaks, it NEVER works", then logically he must apply that standard to
>gun control laws in general.
So you admit that it sometimes doesn't work, white bread?
>
>But being a collaborator with neo-Nazis, he could NEVER be expected to
>do anything logical.
And you favor jack-booted thugs arresting people for trying to buy
guns too, right?
>---
>Gun control, the theory that Black people will be
>better off when only Justin Volpe has a gun.
>
>Check out:
>
>http://extra.newsguy.com/~cmorton
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Zepp
<MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
>"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
>> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>>
>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>
>%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
>not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
>3 days after you are cleared!
They are fighting ANY waiting period or not, including ones caused by
the system being down. Kinda like demanding that you don't have to
register your car if you have to wait in line more than 20 minutes at
the DMV.
>
>David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member-----and damn proud of it!
>
>Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
>strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a
> woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound
>
>> ************************************************************
>> Pay your taxes so the welfare brood sows can eat!
>
>
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Zepp
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:08:29 GMT, d...@firstnethou.com (Dan Day) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:57:44 -0700, W A Collier <waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>>>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>>That makes you a liar sonny.
>>
>>That's Zepp all over. I still fondly recall the time I rebutted
>>his misleading .sig, which said "pay your taxes so the rich
>>don't have to". I used official IRS figures to show Zepp that
>>in fact, the rich pay more than their share of taxes (both in
>>relation to their percentage of the population, *and* in relation
>>to their income) than do "poorer" people, and in fact the
>>tax code is specifically set up so that the rich subsidize the
>>poor, meaning that the *rich* pay the taxes they do "so
>>the poor don't have to" (the exact opposite of Zepp's scenario).
>
>Poor Don Day.
>
>He is as ignorant of taxes as he is of the Second Amendment and
>holding a job!
Let me guess: Day left out the FICA taxes, and neglected to note the
huge discrepancy between assets and taxes paid. That way, he's spared
the embarrassment of explaining why someone making a million a year
with $40 million in assets pays a lower percentage of taxes than
someone making $150,000 with a half million in assets.
Day is either rich, or stupid. Maybe both.
>
> Volt
>
>Ecrasons l'infame
>
>Join the War on Right Wing Ignorance
>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/
>
>Campaign 2000
>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/campaign2000.html
>
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>
> --George DubYa when faced with the American
> people's desire for campaign funance reform
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Zepp
<waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>Here are the facts Zepp.
>
>> [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
>> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
>> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
>
>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
And yet you fight any waiting in the event that it is inaccessible,
don't you?
If it was accessible on weekends, you wouldn't care about an
alternative waiting period, would you?
This has to be the fifth time I've asked you that, and you run away
like the cowardly, stupid, immature gun loon that you are.
Last chance, bozo!
>
>Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
>coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
>dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
>that he cant refute).
>
>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>
>The claim isnt empty - its backed up by dozens of gun sales aevery
>weekend. Just becuase you are so ignorant and stupid to not look at the
>facts doenst mena they dont exist. And the rest of your post is a non
>sequitur, you simpleton - a form of the Red Herring fallacious
>argumentation technique. The NCIC works or else there isnt an approval.
>Go to a gunstore or a Walmart some Saturday and watch the process work,
>you poor pitiable liar.
>
>OK Zepp, now do you apologize and retract your lie?
>
>
>
>> >
>> >Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
>> >coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
>> >dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
>> >that he cant refute).
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> "Newt Gingrich showed the country that when he was Speaker
>> of the House, he was banging more than just his gavel."
>> -- Mark Russell
>>
>> For political commentary by Zepp, visit
>> http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/zeppol.html
>> For links to all things Liberal/Leftist, go to
>> http:/www.snowcrest.net/zepp/lynx.htm
>> Warning: Contains ideas
Dan Day
>Let me guess: Day left out the FICA taxes, and neglected to note the
>
>Day is either rich, or stupid. Maybe both.
Actually, I paid every dollar I was required to.
You're just jealous because I paid more in taxes than
you made in total wages. Envy is an ugly thing, Zepp. Maybe
if you got an education you could stop asking "do you want
fries with that?" for a living and have a real career, too.
It might do wonders for the quality of your posts, too.
> That way, he's spared
>the embarrassment of explaining why someone making a million a year
>with $40 million in assets pays a lower percentage of taxes than
>someone making $150,000 with a half million in assets.
What on earth are you blathering on about? If you can demonstrate
that this is actually the case, I'd be amazed. Instead, I think
you're just making it up as you go along, as usual.
If you mean "lower percentage of income", you're simply lying.
If you mean "lower percentage of total worth", then you're
lying by misusing the numbers, because taxes on assets were
ALREADY PAID IN PRIOR YEARS WHEN THE ASSETS WERE EARNED, and
you're dishonestly leaving them out by counting only taxes for
the current year, but assets earned in all prior years. What
a weasel.
So which form of dishonesty are you trying to pull here, Zepp?
Zepp
<waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>Here are the facts Zepp.
>
>> >> >> >> >zepp, a weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> It also eliminated any effective checks at gun shows. You left that
>> >> >> >> >> part out, little gun loon.
>> >> >> >> Getting a little nervous, biker bitch? The Insta-check nonsense was
>> >> >> >> made, knowing that the agencies holding the databases aren't available
>> >> >> >> on weekends.
>> >> >> >Check you facts you ignoramus. The instacheck works just fine - I've
>> >> >> >bought a new shotgun on a Saturday, and a new pistol on a Sunday.
>> >> >> Uh huh. National database?
>> >> >Yes - by law. NCIC and state check as well.
>> >> Bullshit, buddy.
>> >
>> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
>> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
>> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
>
>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>
So if the NCIC is infallable, you have no objection to three day
waiting periods at gun shows when, for whatever reason, it IS
fallable, right?
>Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
>coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
>dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
>that he cant refute).
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Yo! Smirk! Where's Canada?
Christopher Morton
>They are fighting ANY waiting period or not, including ones caused by
>the system being down. Kinda like demanding that you don't have to
>register your car if you have to wait in line more than 20 minutes at
>the DMV.
And facists like you want a waiting period when the system works
perfectly, right Sepp.
Christopher Morton
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:12:43 -0500, Christopher Morton
><cm...@mciworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:06:58 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:50:26 GMT, Volt...@mindspring.com (Volt)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:09:42 -0600, "David L. Moffitt"
>>>><MOFF...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"zepp, a weasel" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:38d413a7...@news.snowcrest.net...
>>>>>> >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>>>>> >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>>>>> >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>>>>>> >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You haven't proven shit, buddy. All you've done is made an empty
>>>>>> claim. If it's available, why are the neo-nazis at the NRA fighting
>>>>>> so vigorously against regulations to have waiting periods as a
>>>>>> fallback for when it isn't. Hmmmmm?
>>>>>
>>>>>%%%% Hey Zippy----If the system is down you cannot get approval, The NRA is
>>>>>not fighting that, they are fighting having approval and then having to wait
>>>>>3 days after you are cleared!
>>>
>>>So you are admitting that NCIC doesn't work. Thank you. Now go bitch
>>>slap your gun loon buddy who's been howling because I said the same
>>>thing.
>>
>>As typically dishonest as your National Alliance Allies.
>>
>>If Zepp the Collaborator is going to apply the standard "if it ever
>>breaks, it NEVER works", then logically he must apply that standard to
>>gun control laws in general.
>
>So you admit that it sometimes doesn't work, white bread?
So you admit that it works on weekends, collaborator?
Still waiting for you to post those death threats you got from the
National Alliance....
Christopher Morton
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:10:52 -0700, W A Collier
><waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>
>>Here are the facts Zepp.
>>
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>> >
>>> >Nope - A lie by you and the truth by me. Plus,, I know one of the guys
>>> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West Virginia,
>>> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
>>
>>Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
>>weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
>>That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
>>perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
>
>And yet you fight any waiting in the event that it is inaccessible,
>don't you?
You lied and got caught, Sepp.
Not exactly a rare experience for you.
Still waiting for you to post those death threats....
Christopher Morton
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:12:32 -0700, W A Collier
><waco...@sppoboxam.com> wrote:
>
>One question, and one question only, gun loon: if NCIC is so great on
>weekends, why do you adamantly oppose waiting on gun checks when it
>isn't accessible? If it's there, and works, the waiting period should
>be moot. Yet you oppose that anyway?
NCICS is available on weekends, isn't it, Sepp?
Still waiting for you to post those deaththreats you got from the
National Alliance....
Marksman
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:27:29 GMT, d...@firstnethou.com (Dan Day) wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:01:54 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
> >>Let me guess: Day left out the FICA taxes, and neglected to note the
> >>huge discrepancy between assets and taxes paid. [snip]
> >>
> >>Day is either rich, or stupid. Maybe both.
> >
> >Actually, I paid every dollar I was required to.
> >
> >You're just jealous because I paid more in taxes than
> >you made in total wages. Envy is an ugly thing, Zepp. Maybe
> >if you got an education you could stop asking "do you want
> >fries with that?" for a living and have a real career, too.
> >It might do wonders for the quality of your posts, too.
>
> job, Don.
>
Liberal attack #4, attack personally when you cannot refute the evidence.
Hey buttlicker, still hiding from me? Guess you cannot back up your claim
eh? Thanks for admitting it.
NEXT!!!!!!
N9NWO
guys
: >> >that did the Insta-Check call center work - its located in West
Virginia,
: >> >and it is open on the weekends, with the FBI databases available.
: >
: >Zepp - You claimed that the NCIC was inaccessible for gun checks on
: >weekends. I showed you that it isnt. Now all you can do is namecall?
: >That makes you a liar sonny. And you know what - your ability to be
: >perceived as anything other than a liar is rapidly fading.
: So if the NCIC is infallable, you have no objection to three day
: waiting periods at gun shows when, for whatever reason, it IS
: fallable, right?
A three day waiting period would kill gun shows. The show
would be over. Many of the dealers are from out of town.
Most of us shop at gun shows because our local dealers are
too small to carry most of the products we want.
And in my state, my license to carry a gun exempts me from
having to go through the Instant Check. I am already pre-cleared.
My status in the military (as would service in law enforcement)
also pre-clears me.
: >Zepp - proven liar (The Instacheck system does work on weekends), proven
: >coward (he isnt brave enough to admit his mistake), and proven
: >dishonorable (his constant "gunloon" namecalling to denigrate an opponent
: >that he cant refute).
Gore = Nixon
phat mike
wrote:
...possible, but not knowing much about the specifics (who really
knows the specs anyway?) i kinda assumed the 'debt clock' is just
intrest.
or a ploy to make the public allow higher taxes to pay off the debt...
--
revolution.. the only solution...
rose...@idt.net
>Still waiting for you to post those deaththreats you got from the
>National Alliance....
Hell, mortonloon, they come from right wing dolts like
beck.
Why should that be so unusual ??
=============================================================
Beck, the loon coward he is, writes how to deal with Clinton:
>Buy yourself a quality pistol. (I recommend the Beretta 92F, but
>that's just me. Aesthetic considerations have been admirably served
>in my own case with the FS - stainless steel - and custom black walnut
>grips, but all that is your lookout.) Get yourself qualified to
>handle it. Make damned sure you know what you're doing. Once that's
>done, get yourself a bunch of dry-fire rounds in your caliber.
>They're usually available at any quality gun shop in bubble-packs of
>five for less than about fifteen dollars. (The ones I use are
>transparent red plastic, with the pad spring visible above the brass,
>inside.) Keeping one in the chamber at all times, never watch the
>TEEVEE without your dry-fire pistol near at hand. Whenever The Lying
>Bastard appears, exploit the opportunity and your visceral reaction
>for purposes of target acquisition training and full-grip squeeze
>conditioning.
>Billy
>VRWC Fronteer
>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
rose...@idt.net
>Hey buttlicker, still hiding from me? Guess you cannot back up your claim
>eh?
You still haven't been able to prove you're not a simple idiot.
NEXT ! !
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United with government, religion never rises above the
merest superstition; united with religion, government
never rises about the merest despotism; and all history
shows us the the more widely and completely they are
separated, the better it is for both....."
Dan Day
>
>Those are tough words coming from an asshole who can't even keep a
>job, Don.
>unemployment checks.
>
> [snip]
>
>Get on your employer's computer and attack him?
As soon as you stop contradicting yourself and get your
own story straight, let me know.
>How exactly do you know how much Zepp makes in able to throw that
>idiotic charge?
It's just my impression, of course, but it seems to be a safe
one, given that:
1. I make more money than a large percentage of the population,
period, and
2. Someone as irrational and unpleasant as Zepp would have
a hard time holding down a decent job anywhere, and
3. It's pretty obvious that that's the source of his
long-standing animosity towards anyone who actually
has a decent income or assets.
>>If you mean "lower percentage of income", you're simply lying.
>
>What are you going to do, Don.
I'm going to keep pointing out the fact that what he says
is untrue.
And you're going to keep acting like a child with an emotional
problem, and keep calling names, making up silly accusations,
and calling me a "liar and dishonorable coward" at the same time
that you (ironically) tell lies about me and run away from
the chance to point out what, exactly, I might have said that
might be in error.
Jim, are your wife and kids proud of your behavior? Do you
act this way around home, too? Do you see a pitying look
in their eyes, and that's why you have to spew your bitterness
at strangers on the internet?
Jim, acting like an asshole to strangers won't make your own
pathetic life any more bearable, I'm afraid. Why don't
you shut off the computer and go try to rebuild an actual
life with your family for a change?
David L. Moffitt
"Christopher Morton" <cm...@mciworld.com> wrote in message
news:do4ads0dimu73uhvl...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:58:20 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>
> >They are fighting ANY waiting period or not, including ones caused by
> >the system being down. Kinda like demanding that you don't have to
> >register your car if you have to wait in line more than 20 minutes at
> >the DMV.
>
> And facists like you want a waiting period when the system works
> perfectly, right Sepp.
> ---
> Gun control, the theory that Black people will be
> better off when only Justin Volpe has a gun.
%%%% Hey that's a great idea, register guns like cars!
To counter the morons who insist that guns should be registered like
cars....(borrowed from Gunner)
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1. You could get a simple license from the State for a nominal fee and
only have to take a test that any idiot could pass.
You'd only have to renew it every 10 years for 40 years and maybe
retake the test if you move out of state.
2. You could kill and injure people with your gun while drunk and still
have your lawyer get your gun back because you need it for work.
3. You'd have half the tax burden of the county and State dedicated to
improving the shooting ranges and facilities. The public agrees
this is never good enough to suit them and with all the gunowners
from California moving in, the range capacity will never catch up.
Lines at the range are always shown on TV with the newsies deploring
the crowding.
4. You could carry in any State at any time because carry and
possession of your gun is honored nationwide and is considered a
basic American civil right.
5. You would see commercials on TV pushing the newest, latest guns which
you could lease for just $25 per month subject to the fine print.
6. You could finance a fancier gun than you can really afford by taking a 5
year loan with approved credit.
7. You would have a gun safe built into every house. In the upscale
houses you would have 3 gun safes. Inexpensive houses and mobil homes
would just have a gunrack by the door.
8. You'd have gun storage lockers at the shopping mall in which to store
your rifle while shopping. This in order to free your arms for
packages. The convenience of the shopper is paramount.
9. You could buy ammunition at the 7-11.
Full-service station means they'll reload your magazines for you.
10. The news would stop reporting gun accidents unless more
than 10 children were killed at one time. Onesy-twosey would only be
notable in small towns or if Princess Di's bodyguard shot her while
aiming at paparazzi.
11. If the price of ammunition rose 20% the Federal Government would release
war reserves of ammo to bring the price back down to the consumer's
comfort
level.
Ammo would carry a 50% tax to finance public shooting ranges.
Teapot Dome scandal would have been about a lead mine.
12. We'd teach gunsmithing in vocational-education programs.
13. Every 16 year old would be looking forward to the day when he could
take the family revolver to school. The rich kids would get
a high-capacity semi-auto pistol on their 16th birthday and endanger
everyone when they learn to use it in public.
14. High schools would have large gun lockers to store student's arms
while they attend classes. Administrators would try to charge for
the service to discourage teen-age gun carrying to school.
15. Schools would have shooter's education classes to make sure the kids
could pass the test. They would show gory films of gunshot wounds.
The squeamish would throw up.
16. Old people who can hardly see would still be permitted to shoot in
public because to disarm them would be to damage their self-esteem.
Familes would wring their hands over holes in the walls and ceiling.
Occasionally an oldster would fire into a schoolyard when they mistake
the trigger for the safety. Legislators would refrain from criticizing
because of the AARP's influence.
17. Congress would be debating alternative weapons systems for people
who can't afford their own guns.
18. There would be such a thing as "public weapons" for the masses.
19. Congress would be subsidizing weapons for people too limited in means
to afford their own.
20. Congress would be willing to float a loan to Colt's in order to ensure
the survival of an American company against unfair foreign competition.
(Think "Chrysler")
21. We, except for Ralph Nader, would dismiss 40,000 deaths and 500,000
injuries per year as "the price of freedom."
22. You would have MADS. Mothers Against Drunk Shooters (instead of HCI).
MADS would conduct a campaign of public education instead of trying to
use the force of government to prohibit irresponsible drinking and
shooting.
23. You could rent a gun at any airport if you are over 25 and have a
credit card.
24. You would have the fringe-greenies advocating bows and arrows because
they think gunsmoke is damaging the environment.
Al Gore would write a book about the damaging effects of gunsmoke.
Al Gore would also claim to have been a handloader before his sister
died in a powder fire.
25. You'd have huge outcry in the Press and Congress over our dependence
on cheap, imported, foreign ammunition.
26. Ted Kennedy would have shot Mary Jo Kopekne instead. Ted would be
a few thousand dollars richer (bullet:$0.25 vs car:$3000)
Ted would stop carrying his own gun and instead, hire bodyguards
to carry fully-automatic weapons under their coats for him.
27. You'd have businesses like "Jiffy Gun-Clean" to make life convenient.
But you'd always worry that they might not have gotten the magazine
fully seated afterwards.
28. You'd have "Classic Gun Events" with parades on public roads as everyone
with such a classic carries it for all the public to see.
29. You'd have huge eyesores where piles of guns are left to rust in
the open at "Gun Junk Yards". They would charge you outrageous prices
to go out back and pick off a hammer or sear which is probably also
worn out like the one you want to replace.
30. There would be a booming business and debate about substituting
non-OEM parts in the gun repair business.
31. You'd have TV news crews going under cover with hidden cameras to
ferret out "unscrupulous gun smiths." This story would be "old
reliable" and works every year.
32. The Japanese would be trying , and succeeding at taking over the market
for efficient, reliable high-quality guns.
The Koreans would be trying to sneak in at the low end of the market.
The Germans would be selling premium brands based on better workmanship,
longer life, and brand cachet. But their guns would require you to
take it to a gunsmith every 3 months for a complete tear-down and
dimensional inspection at outrageous labor rates.
The Italians would paint their guns flaming red and they would have
a reputation for being finicky.
The State Department would be applying pressure to get Japan to allow
more US-built guns into their country.
The Japanese would resist the US by saying that Japanese shooters
have extra-special safety requirements that only Japanese manufacturers
can meet.
33. You'd have an entire section of the Saturday Coloradoan devoted to
ads for new and used guns.
34. You'd have a pair of fun-loving gunsmiths on Public Radio doing a show
on gun problems. They'd be named "Tap & Rack"
35. There would have been a terrible TV show back in the black & white
days named "My Mother - The Gun" It starred Jerry Van Dyke and
ran just one season.
36. Dean Jones would have made a series of stupid movies starring Herbie
the Love-Gun. Herbie was an adorable anthropomorphized cheap German
Saturday Night Special. Dean Jones would never show his face in
public again after these movies.
37. Competition would be carried on TV all day on Saturdays. The Daytona
500
would be round-count instead of miles. There would be speed contests,
endurance contests, and off-range marksmanship events.
NASGUN would create big heroes in the South and extravagant marketing
opportunities.
38. High-schools would paint up a gun in the colors of the opposition
and charge $.25 for you to swing a sledge hammer at that gun during
pep rallys.
39. John Elway would own half the gunstores in the Denver Metro area.
40. Wellington Webb's wife would be carrying the finest English Double
shotgun money can buy while Wellington has body guards to carry
his semi-auto pistols for him.
41. Back in the 1970's during the ammo crisis, Congress would have set
a maximum cyclic rate for autos and semi autos in order to conserve
ammo.
42. After Iraq was pushed out of Kuwait, the national cyclic rate was
raised to something all semi-autos can be comfortable with.
43. The Coloradoan would be publishing the locations of range repair work
every week to be sure no one would be inconvenienced.
44. The Beachboys would have released some songs about guns:
"Spring little Cobray gettin' ready to strike..... Spring little
Cobray with all your might....."
"She's real fine my Wonder Nine, she's real fine my Won-der Nine."
" Fun, fun, fun 'til Daddy takes her Kel-Tec away......"
45. Letters to editors would be written decrying that all those Soccer Moms
are lugging .50 cal machine guns around town, wasting ammo and getting
in everybody's way.
46. Letters to editors would be written responding that putting one's
beginning driver son or daughter behind a .50 cal would mean that
the writer's offspring would survive any conflict with lesser
armed individuals.
47. Al Gore would claim he invented the .50cal cartridge and say he was
sorry.
48. Cities would be experimenting with electric guns but would be
surprised to find that people would step in front of them at the
range because they were too quiet so no one knew the electric gun
was there.
49. President Clinton would demand that electric gun manufacturers
put a cowbell on each one to prevent senseless accidents.
50. The National Rifle Association would be reduced to selling travel
insurance for your guns because the rest of society will have seen to
it that there would be no chance that firearms would ever be banned.
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA,GOA,TFA Member-----and damn proud of it!
Most rape victims are under 21, but 70% of rapists are over 30.
-- US Justice Dept, http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/soo.txt
Women under 21 years old should not be allowed to own guns.
-- Bill Bradley, Al Gore, and (duh!) Bill Clinton