Another Challenge For Atheists & Skeptics
M---J---D
Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
At least since the days of Moses, author of the book
of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy
(albeit the latter has endured some heavy redaction),
it has been common knowledge among Egypto-Babylonian
peoples from all walks of life, that the days of the
week are named for the planets as ordered by perfect
fifths from the Sun to Saturn, hence from the Dorian
mode to the Mixolydian mode, as this chart indicates:
DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES OF PLANETS OF THE WEEK
(same mode, common ascending, ancient descending)
Tonic Common Ancient Planet Heaven
D Dorian Phrygian Sun Fourth
A Aeolian Hypodorian Moon First
E Phrygian Dorian Mars Fifth
B Locrian Mixolydian Mercury Second
F Lydian Hypolydian Jupiter Sixth
C Ionian Lydian Venus Third
G Mixolydian Hypophrygian Saturn Seventh
You can see from the following chart, each planet's
sidereal placement determines the order of diatonic
modalities, each having seven tones in unique order,
thus determining the root pitch key for each planet:
DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES IN THE OCTAVE
(Orbit, Planet, Pitch, Mode, Muse, Goddess)
S# Pla Key Mod Mus God Relative Middle C
10 Plu C Ion Mne Mem <=C equal middle C
9 Nep B Loc Tha Com <=B below middle C
8 Ura A Aeo Ura Ast <=A below middle C <=bottom
----------------------------------------
7 Sat G Mix Pol Hym <=G above middle C
6 Jup F Lyd Eut Mel <=F above middle C
5 Mar E Phr Era Lyr <=E above middle C
4 Sun D Dor Mel Tra <=D above middle C
----------------------------------------
3 Ven C Ion Ter Dan <=C above middle C <=top
2 Mer B Loc Kal Epi <=B above middle C
1 Moo A Aeo Kli His <=A above middle C
In conclusion, there has never been a time where days
of the week were not directly associated with planets
for which each day was named--explicitly according to
the circle of fifths defined by their sidereal orbits.
This fact absolutely destroys any argument that there
was some kind of gap in common understanding that the
sidereal orbits of planets named the days of the week.
Therefore I'll quote from Young's literal translation
of Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-4, showing that even Moses did
know how the evenings-mornings of creation were named.
Meaning Egypto-Babylonians knew it, meaning the whole
world knew it; Egypt at the center of radial activity:
Sun's Day
"In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and
the earth--the earth hath existed waste and void, and
darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of
God fluttering on the face of the waters, and God saith,
'Let light be'; and light is. And God seeth the light
that it is good, and God separateth between the light
and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day',
and to the darkness He hath called 'Night'; and there
is evening, and there is morning--day one." Gen 1:1-5
Moon's Day
And God saith, 'Let an expanse be in the midst of the
waters, and let it be separating between waters and
waters.' And God maketh the expanse, and it separateth
between the waters which are under the expanse, and the
waters which are above the expanse: and it is so. And
God calleth to the expanse 'Heavens'; and there is
evening, and there is morning--day second." 6-8 ibid
Mars' Day
"And God saith, 'Let the waters under the heavens be
collected unto one place, and let the dry land be seen':
and it is so. And God calleth to the dry land 'Earth',
and to the collection of the waters He hath called
'Seas'; and God seeth that it is good. And God saith,
'Let the earth yield tender grass, herb sowing seed,
fruit-tree (whose seed is in itself) making fruit after
its kind, on the earth': and it is so. And the earth
bringeth forth tender grass, herb sowing seed after its
kind, and tree making fruit (whose seed is in itself)
after its kind; and God seeth that it is good; and there
is evening, and there is morning--day third." 9-13
Mercury's Day
"And God saith, 'Let luminaries be in the expanse of
the heavens, to make a separation between the day and
the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons,
and for days and years, and they have been for luminaries
in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth':
and it is so. And God maketh the two great luminaries,
the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small
luminary--and the stars also--for the rule of the night;
and God giveth them in the expanse of the heavens to give
light upon the earth, and to rule over day and over night,
and to make a separation between the light and the darkness;
and God seeth that it is good; and there is evening, and
there is morning--day fourth." 14-19
Jupiter's Day
And God saith, 'Let the waters teem with the teeming living
creature, and fowl let fly on the earth on the face of the
expanse of the heavens.' And God prepareth the great monsters,
and every living creature that is creeping, which the waters
have teemed with, after their kind, and every fowl with wing,
after its kind, and God seeth that it is good. And God blesseth
them, saying, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters
in the seas, and the fowl let multiply in the earth': and
there is evening, and there is morning--day fifth." 20-23
Venus' Day
And God saith, 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature
after its kind, cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the
earth after its kind': and it is so. And God maketh the beast
of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind,
and every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, and
God seeth that it is good. And God saith, 'Let Us make man in
Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over
fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle,
and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is
creeping on the earth.' And God prepareth the man in His image;
in the image of God He prepared him, male and female He prepared
them. And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, 'Be fruitful,
and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over
fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every
living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' And God saith,
'Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which is upon
the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit
of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food; and to every beast
of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every
creeping thing on the earth, in which is breath of life, every
green herb is for food': and it is so. And God seeth all that
He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is evening, and
there is morning--day the sixth." 24-31
Saturn's Day
And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their
host; and God completeth by the seventh day His work which
He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His
work which He hath made. And God blesseth the seventh day,
and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His
work which God had prepared for making. These are births
of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared,
in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens; 2:1-4
I Rest My Case.
Daniel Joseph Min
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Michelle Malkin
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>Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
>known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
>barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
>irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
>degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
>since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
>another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
>
> THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
>
Other nonsense deleted.
Daniel, you are not only a waste of time, you are also a waste of
existence.
<REPLONK!>
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
atheist/agnostic list ordainer
EAC Bible thumper thumper
BAAWA Knight who says SPONG!
fnord
M---J---D <sp`m`n`t@sp`m`n`t.ten> wrote:
<something>
Got a question for you, homie: just what gives all you idiots the belief
you can issue "challenges"? If you've got questions, call them
questions. If you're trying to sound big & bad by calling them
"challenges", you're failing. Badly.
And another question, Oh Under-Bridge Dweller: What does astronomy have
to do with atheism?
--
fnord sez, "Fuck you, kenny!"
Mark K. Bilbo
<8K5NN9CG3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org> proclaimed to the world...
> I Rest My Case.
A case of sheer gibber apparently...
--
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Certified Flesh Demon Acolyte of the Holy Cowbells
________________________________________________________________
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
pockets for new vocabulary."
[James D. Nicoll]
raven1
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>Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
>known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
>barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
>irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
>degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
>since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
>another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
Dude, you seriously need competent psychiatric help.
someonewhodoesntcare2003
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> Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
http://www.goatse.cx/
dummie
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> In conclusion, there has never been a time where days
> of the week were not directly associated with planets
> for which each day was named--explicitly according to
> the circle of fifths defined by their sidereal orbits.
> <snip>
What do you mean? Visible planets and days correlated with each other
to ancient barbarians. The only time for debate is to assert god is
behind it and the Bible's metion of it makes it literal truth. Get a
life, dork.
Hypatia Kosh
> known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
> barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
> irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
> degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
> since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
> another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
>
> THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
I know I shouldn't bite, but . . .
It's common knowledge that ancient astronomers (including the Egyptian
priests and the Greeks) knew the wanderings of the planets very well,
and could predict the locations of planets, the times of eclipses, the
movement of the constellations and even the very precession of the
heavens (which is pretty sharp, I'd say!). The Greeks even calculated
the radius of the Earth using no more than their knowledge of
mathematics and astrology (and were pretty close, too).
The Greeks speculated about physics and a heliocentric model was
bandied, although Ptolemy favored the geocentric system, and that is
what was taught for over a thousand years in the West.
Nothing you posted proves Biblical primacy for any of this
knowledge--especially since the 7-day creation story is rather late
(perhaps from the time of King David?) and in fact it's far more
likely that the Hebrews picked up this knowledge from the more stable,
developed civilizations of the ancient Near East.
Finally, nothing you've posted challenges the fact that scientific
enquiry and the development of human thought were stifled for
centuries under Catholic domination and that the Church considered the
"fact" that the Earth was in the center of the universe (well, in a
sense you could call any point "the center of the universe" but that's
not quite what they had in mind) as a point of holy doctrine and put
Galileo Galilei under house arrest for suggesting otherwise.
The Pythagorean mysticism was cute, but unless you're planning to
write a masterwork in mixolydian mode, I don't really care.
I think you need to state exactly what your thesis is and why it
contradicts given knowledge a little more clearly.
-Hypatia
--
athena_sappho a_t yahoo
"Putting in process restraints on getting code is better than
technology changes in the operating system."
--Jim Allchin, Microsoft VP
Richard Smol
So your "challenge" consists of the fact that ancient
superstitious people made unfounded assumptions about
the relationship between days, visible planets and the
musical modes. It only shows that they tried to make sense
of their world, despite an immense lack of information.
Admittedly, the solution they came up with is very creative,
but creativity is not the same as knowledge.
RS
Raptor514
"someonewhodoesntcare2003" <someonewhodo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Oh man, you seared my brain. I DID NOT NEED TO SEE THAT!
*barfs*
Raptor514
Ron Miller
"M---J---D" <sp`m`n`t@sp`m`n`t.ten> wrote in message
news:8K5NN9CG3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
>
> Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
> known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
> barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
> irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
> degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
> since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
> another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
>
> THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
>
> At least since the days of Moses, author of the book
> of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy
> (albeit the latter has endured some heavy redaction),
> it has been common knowledge among Egypto-Babylonian
> peoples from all walks of life, that the days of the
> week are named for the planets as ordered by perfect
> fifths from the Sun to Saturn, hence from the Dorian
> mode to the Mixolydian mode, as this chart indicates:
[rest snipped, mercifully]
Since when have the Sun and Moon been planets?
RM
Ron Miller
"Hypatia Kosh" <be...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> I know I shouldn't bite, but . . .
>
> It's common knowledge that ancient astronomers (including the Egyptian
> priests and the Greeks) knew the wanderings of the planets very well,
> and could predict the locations of planets, the times of eclipses, the
> movement of the constellations and even the very precession of the
> heavens (which is pretty sharp, I'd say!). The Greeks even calculated
> the radius of the Earth using no more than their knowledge of
> mathematics and astrology (and were pretty close, too).
They were, indeed, but astrology had no part in that calculation. It was all
simple math.
RM
Steve Campbell
>
> DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES IN THE OCTAVE
> (Orbit, Planet, Pitch, Mode, Muse, Goddess)
> S# Pla Key Mod Mus God Relative Middle C
> 10 Plu C Ion Mne Mem <=C equal middle C
> 9 Nep B Loc Tha Com <=B below middle C
> 8 Ura A Aeo Ura Ast <=A below middle C <=bottom
> ----------------------------------------
Ahhhh music, another subject you failed.
Modes cannot start on the scale root, no matter what octave.
--
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Don't get mad, get Linux
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Kermit
It's human nature to impose patterns and order on the world around
them. Sometimes we get useful information, like:
green plants in time of drought may mean water below the ground
surface.
And sometimes we get stuff like the above. Very pretty, but why
couldn't the "planets" be re-arranged with the same useless results?
Why associated any of the visible heavenly bodies with a specific
pitch?
>
> In conclusion, there has never been a time where days
> of the week were not directly associated with planets
> for which each day was named--explicitly according to
> the circle of fifths defined by their sidereal orbits.
Wednesday is Soylent Green day.
>
> This fact absolutely destroys any argument that there
> was some kind of gap in common understanding that the
> sidereal orbits of planets named the days of the week.
The fact that people believed one thing "destroys" ... WTF? The orbits
didn't name the days of the week, people did. And it's not surprising
that the skywatchers, who were the timekeepers of old, named them
after moving objects in the sky. Did you think they would name them
after herbs, or martial techniques, or songs?
> Therefore I'll quote from Young's literal translation
> of Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-4, showing that even Moses did
> know how the evenings-mornings of creation were named.
If we decided that "8" was the magic number for old creation myths,
maybe we'd have an 8-day week. Whew! Seven is bad enough.
> Meaning Egypto-Babylonians knew it, meaning the whole
> world knew it; Egypt at the center of radial activity:
>
Questionable assumptions.
Also unimportant.
> <snip the same old Genesis quote>
Anyway, it's:
Sun Day
Moon Day
Tieu's Day
Wodin's Day
Thor's Day
Freya's Day
Saturn's Day.
But so what?
>
> I Rest My Case.
*What* case!? What are you trying to assert?
Ernest Fairchild
news:3deb4b40$0$47...@dingus.crosslink.net...
>
> Since when have the Sun and Moon been planets?
The ancients thought they were, and astrology is based on astronomical
data that is thousands of years out of date.
Have a great day!
Ernest
_____________________
"Funny, I don't remember being absent minded."
Visit my website at http://www.public.asu.edu/~ernestf
Starlord
the Chinaese names for the days of the weeks or even the months and THEY where
major astrogers too.(Heck, they still are!)
--
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towards an east that would not know another dawn.
But elsewhere the Stars were still young and the light of morning lingered: and
along the path he once had followed, Man would one day go again.
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"Kermit" <freehand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Bob Dog
>
> known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
> barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
> irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
> degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
> since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
> another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
Instead of copying from a thesaurus, why don't you learn
what the words mean? Oh that's right, you're a jejune
and peurile god-botherer, so insecure about what you
believe that you have to foist it upon everyone.
> THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
>
> DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES OF PLANETS OF THE WEEK
> (same mode, common ascending, ancient descending)
> Tonic Common Ancient Planet Heaven
> D Dorian Phrygian Sun Fourth
> A Aeolian Hypodorian Moon First
> E Phrygian Dorian Mars Fifth
> B Locrian Mixolydian Mercury Second
> F Lydian Hypolydian Jupiter Sixth
> C Ionian Lydian Venus Third
> G Mixolydian Hypophrygian Saturn Seventh
Typical theist plagiarizer, copy someone else's work and
calling it your own. Gustav Holst did it first and better
that you ever will. At least his version was listenable.
Bob Dog
M---J---D
>M---J---D <sp`m`n`t@sp`m`n`t.ten> wrote in message
>news:<8K5NN9CG3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>...
Thanks. You've saved me the trouble of reiterating the
facts of the matter, which I have accurately presented
in my challenge to skeptics, atheists, and the likes of
yourself. You've abjectly failed to respond to evidence
presented hereinbefore. To proceed would be unwarranted.
Whosoever responds to me needs to be at least a Ph.D. in
these subject matters. I see you're not. I'm outta here!
Daniel Joseph Min
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Ron Miller
"Ernest Fairchild" <ern...@delphidude.com> wrote in message
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> "Ron Miller" <rmi...@crosslink.com> wrote in message
> news:3deb4b40$0$47...@dingus.crosslink.net...
> >
> > Since when have the Sun and Moon been planets?
>
> The ancients thought they were, and astrology is based on astronomical
> data that is thousands of years out of date.
Well, you are right about the last part, but not about the first. The word
"planets"--which is derived from the Greek for "wanderers"--was reserved
strictly for Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. It was never used to
describe either the Sun or the Moon, which were considered to be entirely
distinct bodies.
RM
Skip Freeman
You have no case. *Everyone* knows that much. However, not many know
that you know you have no case - but I know that as, of course, do
you. That's right. You have no case and you and I both know it.
There a quite a few people on Usenet - and in real life - who have
developed ideas and theories that are far outside of the mainstream.
They continually try to convince those within the mainstream of the
correctness of their ideas. But what you are doing is trying to
convince the mainstream that you are such a person when, in fact, you
are not. Instead, you are just pretending to be that type of person.
You don't believe any of the drivel you post to Usenet and you don't
care if anyone else believes it, either. All you care about is getting
people to believe you believe it.
Up to this point, you have managed to project the aura of a crazy
person quite well indeed. I commend you for your obvious (to me,
anyway) talents and I hope you will continue your act as I find it
quite amusing.
-Skip
Cornelius Murphy
> Ahhhh music, another subject you failed.
> Modes cannot start on the scale root, no matter what octave.
I thought that was the Ionian mode.
enterprise2002
>
> Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
> known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
> barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
> irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
> degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
> since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
> another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
>
> THE PLANETS OF THE WEEK
The names did not originate with the bible. Most are Greek in origin,
but the day's of the week are Nordic.
Monday....... Moons-day
Planet Moon
Roman Goddess Luna
Greek Goddess Selena
Nordic Goddess Nanna/Mani
Tuesday...... Tiu's-day
Planet Mars
Roman God Mars
Greek God Ares
Nordic God Tiu
Wednesday.... Woden's day
Planet Mercury
Roman Mercury
Greek God Hermes
Nordic God Woden
Thursday..... Thor's day
Planet Jupiter
Roman God Jupiter
Greek God Zeus
Nordic God Thor
Friday....... Frig-day
Planet Venus
Roman Goddess Venus
Greek Goddess Aphrodite
Nordic Goddess Frigga/Freya
Saturday..... Saturn-day
Planet Saturn
Roman God Saturn
Greek God Cronus
Nordic God S'ter
Sunday....... Sun-day
Planet Sun
Roman God Apollo
Nordic God Sol
The key factor appears to be seven, considered magical in many ancient
and modern cultures. (Seven hills of Rome etc.) Sun being primary,
Moon secondary hence the ideal that Sunday is the beginning of the
week, although there is much evidence that the days were changed,
where Moons-day would have been considered the end on the week, Sun
rising,(God) then setting before moon-rise (Godess), signifying the
end of the working day. Secondly these were suposedly the brightest
visible planets as could be seen with the naked eye, the others
remaining hidden until the concept of optical telescopes. Third, the
Roman, Catholic and Christian faiths suppressed much of what early
civilisations had discovered, such as the Babylonians, Celtic and
Greeks, considering their teachings either subversive to their
particular religious doctrines or of such a nature deemed too
important to share with the rest of humanity, in other words elitist.
History is and always has been written by the victors, except on those
occasions where the truth actually leaks out, (if allowed to,) but
only then documented if considered important enough to gain entry into
the history books. Which in itself is well documented and an accepted
form of manipulation and conspiracy.
However this is not the right forum. I suggest you try one of the many
and varied Yahoo groups, and there is no grand conspiracy among the
sci-astro community, except that of your own making. Instead of
issuing challenges try talking and asking simple questions, believe me
you can learn a lot from those here and not just about astronomy.
But let's for one minute suppose there is a grand conspiracy in the
world at large. So what do you suggest we do about it? Because its
existence has been continuing from almost the dawning of man. Our
language, our written word, our concepts and ideas, our religions and
beliefs, manipulated to such a degree that we follow without question.
So how can one know what is truth or fabrication? After all let's not
forget that these deceptions have been hidden well and these
painstaking efforts are not likely to be uncovered by the likes of
ordinary mortals. So how do you know that the source of your discovery
is true? Could it not also be part of yet another conspiracy
manufactured to turn your belief in its direction?
By what measure do you decide who or what is right and wrong? And do
you use the same measure on those sources claiming to speak the truth
as you do with those here you accuse of lying? Intuition is no
guarantee, as our senses, sight, sound, taste, touch and smell can be
fooled just as easily in this technological age, so one must accept
the fact that we can be maipulated just as easily.
That said no matter how one looks at it the world is controlled in one
way or another, despite anyone's belief, or their acceptance or
resistance of it. Unfortunately at present the majority belief,
"society" is content to lay their choices and decisions on the
shoulders of others relying heavily on its construct, to the point
where they can no longer survive without it, so they are hardly likely
to allow single voiced decent to rock their boat. Is it any wonder
this elected elite see themselves as superior and us, those stupid
enough to give away our freewill as mindless sheep? But then "society"
does promise so much. After all you wouldn't be communicating on this
wondrous medium called the "Internet" if it were not for this kind of
structure.
(BTW did you know that the World Wide Web, WWW is 24,24,24.
2+4,2+4,2+4=666 and that 6+6+6=18, 1+8=9. The sign of the beast and
the magic Illuminati nine. That "INTER" is a means of imprisonment and
"NET", a woven material meant to ensnare its prey. Good isn't it?)
The only difference is that some would see this invisible control as
evil while others as a means of good, only personal opinion dictates
the belief. For all to agree would require a majority swing in your
direction which is hardly likely to happen as it would mean shattering
that "majority belief" in our present "society" and bring about chaos
before eventual freedom from its restricting bonds.
Brian (Angel Isle)
"The louder one shouts the less intelligible one becomes."
"To understand a thing one must first become that thing."
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by M---J---D <sp`m`nt@sp`m`n`t.ten>:
<snip>
>I'm outta here!
Ah, were it only so...
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Chris Krolczyk
> I'm outta here!
If only. I suspect such a thing would involve you being shot out of a cannon
and into the sun, but we can dream, can't we?
-Chris Krolczyk
Unknown
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>Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
>known as skeptics, atheists, agnostics, and the like;
>barbarian, heathen, gentile, infidel, sinful, wicked,
>irreverent, sacrilegious, ungodly, belialist, vermin,
>degenerate, pig, scumbag, loser, idiot and blockhead;
>since presenting my last challenge, I'm offering yet
>another challenge for you poor skeptics to suffer by:
>
snipity snip...... The rest is ireelavent.
And speaking of irrelavent, I think that you are also. The wise
challenge is not to answer your challenge. It becomes quite evident
from above that none can measure up to you in piety. Your twisted
religious idiology, a mix of modern and acient doctrines with a splash
of astrology thrown in for good measure, has left you in a position
that none can achieve your state of nirvanna. It then become mute for
anyone to answer your challenge as you are convinced that none can.
It is a such a sad state that one man can elevate himself into a state
of near sainthood. I find your web pages amusing and your rantings a
mere anoyance. Your blending of Judeo-Christian theology with
astrology is quite interesting. It actually borders on insanity, but
often great thinkers are considered insane in their early years. Sadly
you do not fall intothis category. Yes future people may see your
writings and may conclude other thoughts. They may even hold them up
to criticism and hold great pity for the demensia that this mind
posseses.
Will the words of Min pass the test of time? Can they become the great
literary works such as that from which he quotes? Time will tell. I
see a twisted mind screaming for help. A soul lost in the lack of
understanding.
Good luck to you MJD.
regards
james
Hypatia Kosh
Oh, f***. I meant "astronomy," meaning their store of knowledge about
the habits of heavenly bodies.
My left brain didn't know what my right hand was typing!
-Hypatia
--
athena_sappho a_t yahoo
"Putting in process restraints on getting code is better than
technology changes in the operating system."
--Jim Allchin, Microsoft VP
courtesy Microfits: Jabs at the Redmond Beast
Hypatia Kosh
> And if you want to blow away the very few brain cells DJM has, you should list
> the Chinaese names for the days of the weeks or even the months and THEY where
> major astrogers too.(Heck, they still are!)
I don't know the Chinese scheme, but here are the Japanese names
(since this is ascii I am forced to use roomaji, instead of the cute
kanji pictograms):
First day of the week is our Monday:
Getsuyoobi Moon day of week
Kayoobi Fire day of week
Suiyoobi Water day of week
Mokuyoobi Tree day of week
Kinyoobi Gold day of week (payday?)
Dooyoobi Earth (as in soil) day of week
Nichiyoobi Sun day of week
Last day of the week is our Sunday.
The Japanese use a Western work-week (I guess since American
occupation) and I suppose it fits their ethos that they start their
week with a work-day.
Nomen Nescio
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"Arfur Dogfrey" wrote:
>I was ALMOST convinced by the iron-clad logic and
>perfectly clear evidence and reasoning. But then
>I realized that from B to F is NOT A PERFECT FIFTH.
>It's a "tritone"
>
In reality the Locrian modality is the only mode among
the seven primary modalities whose fifth is diminished.
It is verily a fifth by definition, a diminished fifth,
albeit I agree it is not a perfect fifth per chromatic
notation but is the diatonic Locrian fifth by modality,
as is easily demonstrated on the white keys of a piano:
DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES IN WHOLE & HALF STEPS
# alpha AscendSteps Mode *Species
7 G W-W-H-W-W-H Mixolydian greater w/ b7
6 F W-W-W-H-W-W Lydian greater w/ #4
5 E H-W-W-W-H-W Phrygian lesser w/ b2
4 D W-H-W-W-W-H Dorian lesser melodic
3 C W-W-H-W-W-W Ionian greater natural
2 B H-W-W-H-W-W Locrian lesser w/ b2 b5
^^
1 A W-H-W-W-H-W Aeolian lesser natural
*greater, major, perfect;
lesser, minor, imperfect.
I did say "perfect fifth" in my challenge, and you are
commended for discovering this relatively insignificant
oversight on my part. I've corrected just that passage
in its context, and below is this passage again as it
should've been written in the first place. Therefore,
I thank you for your constructive criticism, although
the balance of your reply was apparently made in haste,
given that the integrity of my challenge remains intact.
>
>With this flaw noted the whole
>argument collapses like a house of cards
>
Nice try, and I appreciate your humble attempts at
"collapsing" that which is merely incontrovertible.
Let's try this again. See if you find an error now:
"...days of the week are named for the planets as
ordered by perfect fifths from the Sun to Saturn,
with the lone exception of the interval climbing
from Mercury to Jupiter, which is, by definition,
necessarily a diminished 5th in the Locrian mode."
Best of Luck!
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's "Sidereal Planets of the Week" Challenge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8K5NN9CG3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's "Sidereal Planetary Orbits" Challenge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Q1FG5P2Z3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Reference Manual:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2IK03PLL375...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Official Home Page:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UWP3KH4W3756...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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dummie
*RETCH* <mmbg> Ohhhh. Jeezus! I'd rather see jail time than that!
*RETCH* BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRF!
Odysseus
>
> I don't know the Chinese scheme, but here are the Japanese names
> (since this is ascii I am forced to use roomaji, instead of the cute
> kanji pictograms):
>
> First day of the week is our Monday:
>
> Getsuyoobi Moon day of week
> Kayoobi Fire day of week
> Suiyoobi Water day of week
> Mokuyoobi Tree day of week
> Kinyoobi Gold day of week (payday?)
> Dooyoobi Earth (as in soil) day of week
> Nichiyoobi Sun day of week
>
water, wood, metal and earth -- with the addition of the sun and
moon. Do you have any idea how long the Japanese have been using a
seven-day week, in particular whether it predates commerce with Europeans?
--Odysseus
Steve Campbell
> I thought that was the Ionian mode.
>
OK OK, I meant the other modes:)
You know what I mean though, if you are in the key of C ( and why did this
person assume C as a starting point, I though that was far more modern
invention than ancient greek babble), then ONLY the Ionian starts with a C.
Ron Miller
> > > the radius of the Earth using no more than their knowledge of
> > > mathematics and astrology (and were pretty close, too).
> >
> > They were, indeed, but astrology had no part in that calculation. It was
all
> > simple math.
> >
> > RM
>
> Oh, f***. I meant "astronomy," meaning their store of knowledge about
> the habits of heavenly bodies.
>
> My left brain didn't know what my right hand was typing!
>
> -Hypatia
I kind of thought that's what happened! :)
By the way, if that's your real name it's both beautiful and appropriate!
RM
Danny Kodicek
"Steve Campbell" <the.goo...@ntlspamworld.com> wrote in message
news:mn8sb-...@guz.bsrg.dnsq.org...
> M---J---D wrote:
>
> >
> > DIATONIC SIDEREAL MODES IN THE OCTAVE
> > (Orbit, Planet, Pitch, Mode, Muse, Goddess)
> > S# Pla Key Mod Mus God Relative Middle C
> > 10 Plu C Ion Mne Mem <=C equal middle C
> > 9 Nep B Loc Tha Com <=B below middle C
> > 8 Ura A Aeo Ura Ast <=A below middle C <=bottom
> > ----------------------------------------
> Ahhhh music, another subject you failed.
> Modes cannot start on the scale root, no matter what octave.
A mode can start on any note - we define the standard modes for convenience
WRT the notes A-G because each of them can be played on the 'white keys'
when they start on those notes. It's just as acceptable to speak of 'C
Dorian' as 'C Minor'. Having said that, Min appears to have stated the modes
in the standard manner in any case (not that that means anything)
Danny
Steve Campbell
> A mode can start on any note - we define the standard modes for
> convenience WRT the notes A-G because each of them can be played on the
> 'white keys' when they start on those notes. It's just as acceptable to
> speak of 'C Dorian' as 'C Minor'. Having said that, Min appears to have
> stated the modes in the standard manner in any case (not that that means
> anything)
since by definition a mode is a scale with it's root offset ( playing 2nd-
9th instead of 1st-8th for example), it is logic that any "mode" syatying
on the root, is in fact the natural diatonic scale of the key.
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by das_d...@yahoo.com (dummie):
Danny's *looking* at you... ;-)
Robert Teague
message > > Since issuing my challenge against unbelievers, also
Now that I've recovered from losing my dinner, I'd like
to nominate that picture for ASStro Photo of the Year,
for the first close up of a real "black hole".
Robert
(As though no one saw that one coming.)