Browsers for OpenBSD?
Telent
Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
Lynx (pictures, in some situations, are nice)
Links (ditto)
I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be great if
it a) didn't dump core one out of three times I hit the "back" button,
b) wasn't slower than molasses in a deep-freeze upon launch (this is a
PIII 850/128mb mem; I don't expect fifteen seconds of rattling disks
when I just try to pop open a web browser), and c) had support for
bookmarks that was a tad bit less sucky.
Mozilla is out for obvious reasons. I've heard nice things about
Galeon, but it's apparently based on Mozilla, so I'm not sure if that
would work or not.
I'm very happy with all the other software I'm using on the desktop
(sylpheed, xmms, enlightenment), but the browser thing just won't stop
bugging me.
Anyone have any suggestions for me?
Thanks,
-Telent
Andrew Pinski
Thanks,
Andrew Pinski
J_S
why not netscape it run s fine on 3.0
of course you can also use wine/IE :)
David S.
>
> Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
> Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
> Lynx (pictures, in some situations, are nice)
> Links (ditto)
>
> I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be great if
> it a) didn't dump core one out of three times I hit the "back" button,
> b) wasn't slower than molasses in a deep-freeze upon launch (this is a
> PIII 850/128mb mem; I don't expect fifteen seconds of rattling disks
> when I just try to pop open a web browser), and c) had support for
> bookmarks that was a tad bit less sucky.
>
> Mozilla is out for obvious reasons. I've heard nice things about
> Galeon, but it's apparently based on Mozilla, so I'm not sure if that
> would work or not.
>
The native version of the regular Konqueror works fine on OpenBSD,
though you have to take a lot of quite useless KDE bloat along with
it. Install the "kde/base2" port to get it. ("kde/base3" will
probably also work, but I haven't tried that.)
David S.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Telent
Jason Davies
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 03:11:16PM -0500, Telent wrote:
[snip: which browser...]
> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
Have you tried dillo? Very fast indeed, but doesn't support frames (yet) and other fancy things.
--Jase
Ben Goren
> To date, I've tried:
>
> Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww a)
> (no source, Operads, somewhat bloated (pictures, in some)
> situations, are nice s Lynx(ditto )
>
> I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be
> great [. .if .]
You've summed it up pretty well, except for the long launch time
on startup for Konqueror; it sounds like my laptop:
$ dmesg | head -7
OpenBSD 3.0-stable (SATCHMO) #1: Sat Feb 16 13:27:20 MST 2002
ben@satchmo:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/SATCHMO
cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed
cpu0: Intel Pentium (P54C) ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 120 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8
real mem = 75083776 (73324K)
avail mem = 64167936 (62664K)
is faster in starting Konqueror. I use Windowmaker.
You might keep Netscape 4.? hanging around just for kicks, too.
http://www.trumpetpower.com/OpenBSD/Meta-FAQ#mozilla
Good luck,
b&
--
Ben Goren
mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com
http://www.trumpetpower.com/
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Ben Goren
> of course you can also use wine/IE :)
Have you done this successfully? I haven't put a lot of effort
into it, but I wasn't able to get much more than Notepad and
Calculator to run under Wine.
If so, details would be most welcome. I'd be happy to put a
write-up on http://www.trumpetpower.com/, even if I have to write
it myself.
Telent
into the mist:
> of course you can also use wine/IE :)
I thought there were OpenBSD WINE issues for any of the later versions?
Something to do with a kernel incompatibility?
I know the version that I tried to build a while back didn't work...
-Telent
Jolan Luff
the ftp site yet, but perhaps that version may work.
konqueror-embedded works fine for me on slower hardware.
anyway, try netscape.
> To date, I've tried:
>
> Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
> Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
> Lynx (pictures, in some situations, are nice)
> Links (ditto)
>
> I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be great if
> it a) didn't dump core one out of three times I hit the "back" button,
> b) wasn't slower than molasses in a deep-freeze upon launch (this is a
> PIII 850/128mb mem; I don't expect fifteen seconds of rattling disks
> when I just try to pop open a web browser), and c) had support for
> bookmarks that was a tad bit less sucky.
>
> Mozilla is out for obvious reasons. I've heard nice things about
> Galeon, but it's apparently based on Mozilla, so I'm not sure if that
> would work or not.
>
> I'm very happy with all the other software I'm using on the desktop
> (sylpheed, xmms, enlightenment), but the browser thing just won't stop
> bugging me.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Telent
Rich
set up wine to use the existing windows registry from the fat partition.
Things will go a lot smoother if you do it that way. I didn't try running
ie, but I got starcraft to install/ run. The sound and network game play
worked smoothly. ;)
Ben Goren wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 08:31:35PM +0200, J_S wrote:
>
> > of course you can also use wine/IE :)
>
Marco Peereboom
Peter Hessler
and it's fine. I used it on a P3 500 with 256 and memory was /never/
an issue on that box. I would be compiling, watching mpg's, and
browsing with konq, and never touch swap. Try konq from kde, not
embedded.
Black Jacque Shellaque
for BSD 2.1, BSDI2.1, or FreeBSD version?
Will they run as-is on a stock 3.0 install?
Thanks,
rvb
J_S <joh...@free.fr> wrote:
>At 22:11 11/05/02, you wrote:
>
>why not netscape it run s fine on 3.0
>of course you can also use wine/IE :)
>
>
>To date, I've tried:
>
>
>
>
>>Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
>>Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
>>Lynx (pictures, in some situations, are nice)
>>Links (ditto)
>>
>>I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be great if
>>it a) didn't dump core one out of three times I hit the "back" button,
>>b) wasn't slower than molasses in a deep-freeze upon launch (this is a
>>PIII 850/128mb mem; I don't expect fifteen seconds of rattling disks
>>when I just try to pop open a web browser), and c) had support for
>>bookmarks that was a tad bit less sucky.
>>
>>Mozilla is out for obvious reasons. I've heard nice things about
>>Galeon, but it's apparently based on Mozilla, so I'm not sure if that
>>would work or not.
>>
>>I'm very happy with all the other software I'm using on the desktop
>>(sylpheed, xmms, enlightenment), but the browser thing just won't stop
>>bugging me.
>>
>>Anyone have any suggestions for me?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Telent
--
"They that can give up liberty to obtain
a little temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
1706-1790
lur...@menagerie.tf
idea ;)
Lurene
--
"What I cannot create, I cannot understand"
-- Richard Feynman
Generic Player
>
versions?
> Something to do with a kernel incompatibility?
>
> I know the version that I tried to build a while back didn't work...
>
> -Telent
You have to use an incredibly old version of wine, its in the ports
tree, and is pretty much useless. New versions give errors compiling, I
believe it was due to openbsd's dlfcn not being complete.
Adam
Andrey Smagin
"Telent" <tel...@mordac.info> wrote:
> Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
Oh, come on... If Opera is bloated than what's the word for Mozilla ?
> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
In order of my personal preferences, opera5 being my favourite:
opera5 (under linux emulation)
dillo
konquerror from kde3
opera6 (under linux emulation)
konquerror-embedded
netscape 6 (under linux emulation) <- very unstable, but works
w3m
links
lynx
amaya
netscape 4.x (under linux or BSDOS emulation)
(missing at least one more browser - the one that has something
to do with either emacs or w3m... can't remember)
--
Andrey
t...@php.net
> opera5 (under linux emulation)
Is there a quick-and-dirty way to see whether I have linux emulation?
STeve Andre'
by default, then you can run Opera right now.
Get the ports.tar.gs file from the OpenBSD site, and unpack
it, and look in ports/www/opera. Do a make install there,
and after you've grabbed a binch of stuff off the net it will
be installed.
I've been running opera 5 for a while now. In general, its
been pretty good.
--STeve Andre'
Ted U
> Get the ports.tar.gs file from the OpenBSD site, and unpack
> it, and look in ports/www/opera. Do a make install there,
> and after you've grabbed a binch of stuff off the net it will
> be installed.
One tip. You really want to just grab the linux-lib and linux-motif
packages. I initially tried the ports method, but it kept pulling the
files from a slow ftp server, and it has to download about 20 pieces. The
local openbsd mirror will be many times faster.
--
If you ever would give them a helping hand,
You can be sure they'll chop off the arm.
Never, ever, never trust a Klingon; you will always regret it.
jay
the problems I reported with the mozilla build . I`ve offered my full
assistance to the effort.
They seemed surprized when I told them of the difficulties and said they
would get right on it.
I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional info/ideas
, please let me know so we can organize a report description for the team at
mozilla.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jolan Luff <jo...@encryptedemail.net>
To: Telent <tel...@mordac.info>
Cc: <mi...@openbsd.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Browsers for OpenBSD?
> mozilla just release a new version today, i couldn't find the source on
> the ftp site yet, but perhaps that version may work.
>
> konqueror-embedded works fine for me on slower hardware.
>
> anyway, try netscape.
>
> > To date, I've tried:
> >
> > Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
> > Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
> > Lynx (pictures, in some situations, are nice)
> > Links (ditto)
> >
> > I'm currently using the konqueror-embedded port, which would be great if
> > it a) didn't dump core one out of three times I hit the "back" button,
> > b) wasn't slower than molasses in a deep-freeze upon launch (this is a
> > PIII 850/128mb mem; I don't expect fifteen seconds of rattling disks
> > when I just try to pop open a web browser), and c) had support for
> > bookmarks that was a tad bit less sucky.
> >
> > Mozilla is out for obvious reasons. I've heard nice things about
> > Galeon, but it's apparently based on Mozilla, so I'm not sure if that
> > would work or not.
> >
> > I'm very happy with all the other software I'm using on the desktop
> > (sylpheed, xmms, enlightenment), but the browser thing just won't stop
> > bugging me.
> >
> > Anyone have any suggestions for me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Telent
Artur Grabowski
> I`ve spoken with the builds team at mozilla , they are going to review
> the problems I reported with the mozilla build . I`ve offered my full
> assistance to the effort.
> They seemed surprized when I told them of the difficulties and said they
> would get right on it.
> I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
> traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional info/ideas
> , please let me know so we can organize a report description for the team at
> mozilla.
How about the simple fact that dlopen doesn't work in static constructors and
mozilla uses that a lot? (I have a diff for that in my tree, but it's ugly.)
Then there were at least one other issue with linking, but I don't remember
what it was.
The mozilla I have on my laptop doesn't crash, but it doesn't work either
and I'm not in the mood to debug it further.
I know of at least 5 experienced developers that have tried to fix mozilla and
given up. You are welcome to try, but I wouldn't hope for too much.
//art
David Corlette
>
> Amaya (slow, nasty UI, WYSIWYG editor built in - eww)
> Opera (no source, ads, somewhat bloated)
I'm surprised you find Opera bloated, especially if you compare it to
Netscape/IE. I have more experience with this in the Windows domain
(supporting my office), but Opera is clearly faster and smaller than
the big two.
As for the ads, if you shell out a few bucks (far less than for your
hardware), they go away ;)
And as for source, when's the last time you decided to hack your web
browser? Unless it's a principle thing, which I understand, but
realize that you're sacrificing functionality for principle...
Dave C
---------------------------------------------------------
David Corlette mailto:corl...@huarp.harvard.edu
(617)495-5922 http://www-arp.harvard.edu
Henning Brauer
> And as for source, when's the last time you decided to hack your web
> browser?
About two weeks ago ;-)
Marc Matteo
> I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
> traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional info/ideas
> , please let me know so we can organize a report description for the team at
> mozilla.
I have a port of 1.0rc1 on my site at:
http://www.lectroid.net/projects/ports/mozilla.tar.gz
No, the *browser* still doesn't work BUT I've added a handful of port mods
to 1) allow other ports to use the Mozilla parts that do work (like nspr
and nss) and 2) allow the easy building of a debug package (very slow,
very large :)).
With this I was able to watch Mozilla die in libmozembed but their C++ was
totally greek to me :(.
I also have a few fixes for OpenBSD stuff in there too.
So, please, take it, build it, test it, and forward what you want to the
Mozilla folks.
Cheers,
Marc
Frank Hale
> Corlette wrote:
> > And as for source, when's the last time you
> decided to hack your web
> > browser?
So as far as I can see the general concensus is that
the state of web browsing on OpenBSD sucks.
LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
http://launch.yahoo.com
Marco Peereboom
months and even though it doesn't crash as often as it used to it still is
far from anything I consider quality. Netscape works just as good!
I guess Lynx is here to stay :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Artur Grabowski" <a...@blahonga.org>
To: "jay" <jga...@charter.net>
Cc: "Jolan Luff" <jo...@encryptedemail.net>; "Telent" <tel...@mordac.info>;
<mi...@openbsd.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 06:53
Subject: Re: Browsers for OpenBSD?
> "jay" <jga...@charter.net> writes:
>
> > I`ve spoken with the builds team at mozilla , they are going to
review
> > the problems I reported with the mozilla build . I`ve offered my full
> > assistance to the effort.
> > They seemed surprized when I told them of the difficulties and said they
> > would get right on it.
> > I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
> > traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional
info/ideas
> > , please let me know so we can organize a report description for the
team at
> > mozilla.
>
jay
to be trying to figure it out.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Matteo <ma...@lectroid.net>
To: jay <jga...@charter.net>
Cc: <mi...@openbsd.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Browsers for OpenBSD?
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, jay wrote:
>
> > I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
> > traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional
info/ideas
> > , please let me know so we can organize a report description for the
team at
> > mozilla.
>
Brandin L Claar
> So as far as I can see the general concensus is that
> the state of web browsing on OpenBSD sucks.
That is because it pretty much sucks on every platform.
--
Brandin Claar
Assistant Research Engineer
Penn State Applied Research Lab
veins
> very hard to find a web page that freezes or crashes it. But that's not
> terribly surprising given the dismal state of web standards. (I hope that
> a place in one of the upper circles of Hell has been prepared for the
> inventor of javascript.)
Nope, he has been forced to actually use it... =)
veins
Joshua Steele
besides, real men use lynx ;-)
Josh
On Sun, 12 May 2002, Frank Hale wrote:
> > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:48:34AM -0400, David
> > Corlette wrote:
> > > And as for source, when's the last time you
> > decided to hack your web
> > > browser?
>
> So as far as I can see the general concensus is that
> the state of web browsing on OpenBSD sucks.
Panda
a pretty good job.
-- panda
James Holmes
> No way. I use kongueror and have no problems with GUI browsing. And
> besides, real men use lynx ;-)
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2002, Frank Hale wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:48:34AM -0400, David
> > > Corlette wrote:
> > > > And as for source, when's the last time you
> > > decided to hack your web
> > > > browser?
> >
Opera works fine for me. It crashes less than netscape and when it does it
recovers more gracefully. I also like the layout better, although it does
have a few quirks. Another consideration is that it displays adds in the
header portion of the browser unless you purchase a key for it - if you
use a browser quite a bit then you might want to consider it. It's in the
ports tree in the www section.
James
Artur Grabowski
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, jay wrote:
>
> > I am able to built it just fine but I get either core dumps or abort
> > traps when I try to run the binary, if anyone has any additional info/ideas
> > , please let me know so we can organize a report description for the team at
> > mozilla.
>
> I have a port of 1.0rc1 on my site at:
> http://www.lectroid.net/projects/ports/mozilla.tar.gz
>
> No, the *browser* still doesn't work BUT I've added a handful of port mods
> to 1) allow other ports to use the Mozilla parts that do work (like nspr
> and nss) and 2) allow the easy building of a debug package (very slow,
> very large :)).
>
> With this I was able to watch Mozilla die in libmozembed but their C++ was
> totally greek to me :(.
I have checked out the current mozilla (or whatever it was, I don't really
know, I just followed their instructions) and with a few diffs I get this:
$ ./mozilla
Type Manifest File: /usr/home/art/src/mozilla/dist/bin/components/xpti.dat
nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering begins.
nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering succeeded
nNCL: registering deferred (0)
$
No crashes, no burning parts flying all over the place, but nothing else
either. mozilla just quietly shuts down. If I do "./mozilla -splash" I
sometimes can see the logo for a fraction of a second and then it shuts down.
The last interesting thing that happens in a ktrace is a read on a pipe
that returns EAGAIN, after which the process closes all filedescriptors and
silently does an exit(0x1).
The horror diff that's needed to accomplish that is appended below. build,
install, relink mozilla, try again.
Oh, and shared libs in mozilla should be built with cc -shared, not
ld -Bshareable. Otherwise collect2 won't be run and you won't get any
constructors. You'll need to tweak config/autoconf.mk for that. How to
do it in a proper way is completly beyond me, I just hacked
config/autoconf.mk.in manually.
//art
Index: common.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/src/lib/csu/common.c,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 common.c
--- common.c 16 Feb 2002 21:27:20 -0000 1.8
+++ common.c 24 Mar 2002 15:48:03 -0000
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@
typedef int (*rtld_entry_fn)(int, struct crt_ldso *);
static struct ld_entry *ld_entry;
+static struct ld_entry **ld_entryp;
static void
__load_rtld(dp)
@@ -47,6 +48,8 @@
int dupzfd;
#endif
+ ld_entryp = &crt.crt_ldentry;
+
#ifdef DEBUG
/* Provision for alternate ld.so - security risk! */
if ((crt.crt_ldso = _getenv("LDSO")) == NULL)
@@ -163,45 +166,43 @@
* DL stubs
*/
+#define LD_ENTRY_CHECK \
+ if (ld_entry == NULL) {\
+ if (ld_entryp != NULL) \
+ ld_entry = *ld_entryp; \
+ if (ld_entry == NULL) \
+ return (NULL); \
+ }
+
void *
-dlopen(name, mode)
- const char *name;
- int mode;
+dlopen(const char *name, int mode)
{
- if (ld_entry == NULL)
- return NULL;
+ LD_ENTRY_CHECK;
return (ld_entry->dlopen)(name, mode);
}
int
-dlclose(fd)
- void *fd;
+dlclose(void *fd)
{
- if (ld_entry == NULL)
+ if (ld_entryp == NULL)
return -1;
return (ld_entry->dlclose)(fd);
}
void *
-dlsym(fd, name)
- void *fd;
- const char *name;
+dlsym(void *fd, const char *name)
{
- if (ld_entry == NULL)
- return NULL;
+ LD_ENTRY_CHECK;
return (ld_entry->dlsym)(fd, name);
}
int
-dlctl(fd, cmd, arg)
-void *fd, *arg;
-int cmd;
+dlctl(void *fd, int cmd, void *arg)
{
- if (ld_entry == NULL)
- return -1;
+ LD_ENTRY_CHECK;
return (ld_entry->dlctl)(fd, cmd, arg);
}
Lars Hansson
"Frank Hale" <fran...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So as far as I can see the general concensus is that
> the state of web browsing on OpenBSD sucks.
The state of webbrowsing sucks on all platforms.
That said, Opera 5 works pretty ok for me, mind the semi-frequently hanging
operamotifwrapper.
If you can do with a little less functionality, dillo is not too bad either.
--
Lars Hansson