England? Britain? Great Britain? UK?
Ian McConnell
soul tell me what the thing is called?
From time to time, politicians and journalists like to bring up the idea of
national identity, but I don't know the name of country I live in!
As best I understand it:
England: The largest area, region, zone (?) of the island. Kingdom? Was
there a time when there was just one king of England, one king of Wales
and one king of Scotland?
The best I can come up with is parliamentry district, but this can only
be retrospective since the Welsh and Scottish parliaments were only set
up recently.
Britain: The name of the biggest island?
Great Britain: I'm guessing this is the biggest island plus the nearby
islands. So it includes Isle of Wight, Skye and Anglesey, but what
about Northern Island, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles and Rockall?
United Kingdom: Probably a bit bigger than Great Britain, but I don't know
which bits it includes. How about the Falklands?
My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island", so is
that the name? Am I a "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island"er?
Yet cars going abroad are labelled with "GB". The Defence Research Agency,
who were involved in the early development of the internet, used the name
dra.hmg.gb (dra.Her Majesty's Government.Great Britain) for many years
before switching to the gov.uk name.
People from France are French and use "fr" as a symbol.
I, on the other hand, am just confused.
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david56
> I live on a large island lying between France and Ireland. Could some kind
> soul tell me what the thing is called?
Could you perhaps explain what "Ireland" is, so that we can place
your island more accurately?
> From time to time, politicians and journalists like to bring up the idea of
> national identity, but I don't know the name of country I live in!
This is covered in the AUE FAQ as it frequently crops up here:
http://alt-usage-english.org/english_british_uk_et_al.shtml
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David
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Markus Kuhn
>I live on a large island lying between France and Ireland. Could some kind
>soul tell me what the thing is called?
>
>that the name? Am I a "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island"er?
I guess, only the collapse of the British monarchy in 2018 and the Irish
reunificastion in 2022 will iron out things here. We could then finally
switch to our proper ISO 3166-1 country code (GB) as our Internet top-level
domain (leading to a dramatic temporary reduction in spam!) and the
options will be reduced to "Britain" and "Great Britain".
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david56
> Ian McConnell <i...@emit.demon.co.ukx> writes:
> >I live on a large island lying between France and Ireland. Could some kind
> >soul tell me what the thing is called?
> >
> >My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island", so is
> >that the name? Am I a "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island"er?
>
> I guess, only the collapse of the British monarchy in 2018 and the Irish
> reunificastion in 2022 will iron out things here. We could then finally
> switch to our proper ISO 3166-1 country code (GB) as our Internet top-level
> domain (leading to a dramatic temporary reduction in spam!) and the
> options will be reduced to "Britain" and "Great Britain".
Whoever set up the TLD got it wrong, but I'm pleased he/they/she/it
did, as UK is more inclusive than GB.
There is now an ISO 3166-1 "exceptionally reserved code element" of
"UK" for the United Kingdom, in addition to the "officially
assigned" code of "GB". In practice, this means that both are
acceptable for most purposes.
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David
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Dean Tiegs
> My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
> Island",
Turn your passport in to the proper authorities: it's a fake.
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mUs1Ka
"Dean Tiegs" <d...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ian McConnell <i...@emit.demon.co.ukx> writes:
>
> > My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
> > Island",
>
> Turn your passport in to the proper authorities: it's a fake.
>
m.
R H Draney
>
>Ian McConnell <i...@emit.demon.co.ukx> writes:
>
>> My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
>> Island",
>
>Turn your passport in to the proper authorities: it's a fake.
How'd I miss that?...
Hang onto it anyway...you never know when someone will make Seyšisfjöršur part
of the UK....r
Ian McConnell
> > national identity, but I don't know the name of country I live in!
>
> This is covered in the AUE FAQ as it frequently crops up here:
> http://alt-usage-english.org/english_british_uk_et_al.shtml
Oops, I missed that one.
Thank you.
I'll now go off and practise my spelling.
Dr Robin Bignall
>Ian McConnell <i...@emit.demon.co.ukx> writes:
>>I live on a large island lying between France and Ireland. Could some kind
>>soul tell me what the thing is called?
>>
>>My passport has "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island", so is
>>that the name? Am I a "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island"er?
>
>I guess, only the collapse of the British monarchy in 2018 and the Irish
>reunificastion in 2022 will iron out things here. We could then finally
>switch to our proper ISO 3166-1 country code (GB) as our Internet top-level
>domain (leading to a dramatic temporary reduction in spam!) and the
>options will be reduced to "Britain" and "Great Britain".
>
I think you made a cast iron case for reunificastiron.
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Robin Bignall
Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England
John Seeliger
news:bpo313$1qv44r$1...@ID-193735.news.uni-berlin.de...
I don't know why you are skeptical that this place exists. There are at
least 206 references to it on the internet (Searched the web for "united
kingdom of great britain and northern island". Results 1 - 10 of about 206.
Search took 0.14 seconds.) and that many people can't be wrong, can they?
BTW, the number jumps to 934 if you just use "great britain and northern
island".
BTW, this curious passport spelling must be true. Look:
VirtualTourist.com - KennetRose's United Kingdom Travel Page
... Hope Cove, Devon. The full title of the country, as it appears on my
passport,
is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island". ...
www.virtualtourist.com/m/4286b/f4/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
presentation.html
... And if I could show you my passport, it would say UNITED KINGDOM of
GREAT BRITAIN
and NORTHERN ISLAND.OK, so, to summarise, to conclude, what we're looking at
...
www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~tonoike/presentation.html - 7k - Cached - Similar
pages
Re: Britain - a few definitions
... England. United Kingdom = (if you look in your passport) is short for
"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island". Maybe ...
soc.culture.hongkong - Mar 15, 1992 by Bernadette Noon - View Thread (1
article)
BTW, I heard someone once claim that if you get a fake Texas ID that says
it's issued by the "Texas Department of Public Safely", it is legal.
Somehow, I doubt this.
tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> I guess, only the collapse of the British monarchy in 2018 and the Irish
> reunificastion in 2022 will iron out things here. We could then finally
> switch to our proper ISO 3166-1 country code (GB) as our Internet top-level
> domain (leading to a dramatic temporary reduction in spam!) and the
> options will be reduced to "Britain" and "Great Britain".
I think you should drop the Great, unless there's still hope of annexing
Brittany.
Opus the Penguin
> BTW, I heard someone once claim that if you get a fake Texas ID
> that says it's issued by the "Texas Department of Public Safely",
> it is legal. Somehow, I doubt this.
By "legal," I assume you mean "legal to make and possess" not "a legal
Texas ID that can be used for all the same purposes as one actually
issued by the great Republic of Texas."
--
Opus the Penguin (that's my real email addy)
"The Pillsbury Doughboy was also open to interpretation." - M C Hamster
Joe Fineman
> "John Seeliger" <jsee...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> > BTW, I heard someone once claim that if you get a fake Texas ID
> > that says it's issued by the "Texas Department of Public Safely",
> > it is legal. Somehow, I doubt this.
>
> By "legal," I assume you mean "legal to make and possess" not "a
> legal Texas ID that can be used for all the same purposes as one
> actually issued by the great Republic of Texas."
I seem to remember that a manufacturer of dollar bills on which the
portrait was labeled WAHSINGTON was locked up all the same.
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John Seeliger
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> "John Seeliger" <jsee...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> > BTW, I heard someone once claim that if you get a fake Texas ID
> > that says it's issued by the "Texas Department of Public Safely",
> > it is legal. Somehow, I doubt this.
>
> By "legal," I assume you mean "legal to make and possess" not "a legal
> Texas ID that can be used for all the same purposes as one actually
> issued by the great Republic of Texas."
I am not sure exactly what was meant. It has been a long time and I don't
even recall who said this or where I was when it was said, but to the best
of my recollection it was probably in the context of ordering alcohol and I
was probably under or near 21 at the time and so was the person making the
statement and all of those present when the statement was made. Anyway, I
said I doubt this because I was focusing on the usage aspect of it. Of
course, if you were under 21 and ordered an alcoholic beverage in Texas, it
would be illegal whether you used an ID or not. But I am guessing it would
probably be illegal to use a fake ID.
Well, now I just checked:
"The Bush twins were cited May 31 for Class C violations of the Texas
Alcoholic Beverage Code - Jenna for ***attempting to use someone else's
identification to order a drink***, Barbara for being a minor in possession
of alcohol." (http://www.thefirsttwins.com/refs/statesman20010608.html) <<
Here there is no mention that it is necessary that you be a minor, only that
you use someone else's ID, though this is a news story, not a legal
document.
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/leginfo/minorcode.htm: Sec. 106.02 and Sec.
106.025 cover the purchasing of alcohol by a minor and Sec. 106.07 covers
the minrepresentation, either by saying or showing documents that one is 21
or older. It doesn't say the said documents must be issued by an actual
government agency. The Texas Department of Public Safely will do.
http://www.texassafetynetwork.org/topics/whatsnew/fakeid.htm:
<<
Texas Transportation Code
521.451(a)(1) - Possession of Altered DL or ID Certificate
A person commits an offense if he/she:
Displays or possesses a driver's license or ID certificate that the person
knows is fictitious or altered.
...
521.451(a)(3) - Display DL or ID Certificate Issued to Another
A person commits an offense if he/she:
Displays or represents as the person's own a driver's license or ID
certificate not issued to the person.
...
521.453(a) - Possession of Fictitious DL or ID Certificate
A person commits an offense if he/she:
Is under the age of 21 and is in possession a deceptively similar driver's
license or ID certificate (any state in US) UNLESS the document displays the
statement "NOT A GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT" printed in 1/4" solid red capitol
letters diagonally across the front and back
...
521.456(a) - Sale of Counterfeit DL or ID Certificate
A person commits an offense if he/she:
Possesses with intent to sell a DL or ID certificate that is not produced
under the direction of the United States, another state, or a Canadian
Province.
...
521.456(b) - Manufacture Fictitious DL or ID Certificate
A person commits an offense if he/she:
Manufactures with intent to sell a DL or ID certificate that is not produced
under the direction of the United States, another state, or a Canadian
Province.
>>
So this covers possession of an altered ID (not necessarily relevent here,
unless you moified an existing DL to change "Safety" to "Safely"), use of
another person's ID, or possession of a fictitious ID by a minor.
Apparently, all DLs and IDs, including passports that say "United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Island", manufactured by governments other than
the United States, another state, or Canadian provinces are illegally
manufactred under Texas law. I wonder if any foreign goverments will be
prosecuted by Texas for this.
Skitt
>
> http://www.texassafetynetwork.org/topics/whatsnew/fakeid.htm:
>
> <<
> Texas Transportation Code
> 521.453(a) - Possession of Fictitious DL or ID Certificate
> A person commits an offense if he/she:
> Is under the age of 21 and is in possession a deceptively similar
> driver's license or ID certificate (any state in US) UNLESS the
> document displays the statement "NOT A GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT" printed
> in 1/4" solid red capitol letters diagonally across the front and back
>>>
Those letters have to look like the Texas capitol? Wow! That'd be
downright picturesque.
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John Seeliger
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I noticed that too, but didn't comment. I just assumed it meant letters
used in the Capitol. Next topic, capitol punishment.
R H Draney
>
>"Skitt" <ski...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:bptlbd$1sidvj$1...@ID-61580.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> downright picturesque.
>
>I noticed that too, but didn't comment. I just assumed it meant letters
>used in the Capitol. Next topic, capitol punishment.
Q: What is the capital of Texas?
A: T!
....r
Truly Donovan
>I seem to remember that a manufacturer of dollar bills on which the
>portrait was labeled WAHSINGTON was locked up all the same.
Actually, he survived for many years a free, if frugal, man. He made
only one-dollar bills.
rzed
"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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... T for Tennessee ...
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rzed
Pat Durkin
"rzed" <rza...@ntelos.net> wrote in message
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Was that the chorus of an Ernest Tubb song? "T for Texas, T for Tennessee"?
rzed
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Yup, or at least I assume Ernest Tubb could have performed it. Written by
Jimmie Rodgers, I believe.
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rzed