Ya el-Blankita!, do you believe AICHA!?
Fodil
I told you that you are bullheaded and you are learning from el-Kantint and
Diarephoria, they are just pretending who they are not..
Do you belive AICHA, she is the vice president of WORLD, she spoke the
truth:
Aicha Lemsine is an award-winning Algerian author. She lives in Algeria and
publishes political analyses in the Algerian and international Arab press.
She is a member of the PEN Club's International Women's Committee and
vice-president of WORLD, the Women's Organization for Rights, Literature and
Development.
She spoke for ALL true shawis, no shawi can contradict her:
We were told by our forebears for centuries, "You are Algerians freed by the
Arabic of the Qur'an" or, as it was said in the Aures, "Ana Shawi-Arbi
Hour!" (I am a free Arabic Shawi Berber!). If there is a people that is
proudest of the Arab and Muslim blood that runs in its veins, it is the
Shawia of the Aures, for whom it is an insult to deny our Arab heritage, as
Arabic is intimately tied to the Qur'an and thus to Islam itself.
So it's an a GREAT honor to call a shawi an arab, it's an insult to deny the
shawi his/her ARAB heritage, only hypocrites and chiwawas believe
differently...
Bmadani52
Diarephoria, they are just pretending who they are not..
Do you belive AICHA, she is the vice president of WORLD, she spoke the
truth:>>
She may be a good author, but she's a kiss-ass for the government. It's her
opinion, and only her opinion. She gives no documentation other than this is
what she saw and what is her understanding of what Chaouis think. One family
can be completely different from another, and more so one village from another.
Unless she can document that she has actually spoken to all these people and
gotten what they think, and not what they have appeared to accept in light of
the fact that they had to, then her opinion on this is worth only one person's
opinion.
Fodil
and Diarephoria for too long, they convinced you in the chaoui stereotyping
that says :"Maaza wa lew tarat.."
Do you believe the 27 Millions Algerians that think the Chaouis are ARABS..
The following is where the OURABATI can be found in order of merit and
devotion:
1. Shawia 2.Constantine 3. Tlemcen..
We, the arabo-Musulmans think so...All Algerians know that the shawis are
"La bete noire" of the Kabyles, the Kabyles know it also...
The shawi never declared themselves imazighen and they never will, unless
the Kabyles declare themselves ARABS..
Aicha is right!, and NO shawi can contradict her!, None!..It does not matter
what village!...You are not trying to sya "jewish" are you?..The shawis are
Arabs-Arabs of berber ancestry, they used to be berber in 670 A.C...No
more!..
How do you know who the Algerians are?, why would the government care what
people think or call themselves?, what she wrote down is 100% True..
I am telling you that the Algerians are arabo-Musulmans, and whoever denies
his/her identity fall into the following categories:
1. rebellious, case of the Kabyles-Imazighen
2. Dumb idiots, still don't know what arabo-musulman mean
3. Hypocrites and ashamed of their heritage, no pride at all..
4. Jews..
Fodil
Fodil
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> but she's a kiss-ass for the government.
That is UNCALLED FOR!! Does your support for Bouteflika make you A KISS-
ASS FOR GOVERNMENT scholar?
>It's her opinion, and only her opinion.
That is right! It is her reading of the situation!
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Before you buy.
Bmadani52
and Diarephoria for too long, they convinced you in the chaoui stereotyping
that says :"Maaza wa lew tarat..">>
Kanti and Diaspora are not the only Chaouis I know, Fodil, and I was bullheaded
long before I ever met them. It's in my genes.
You give me some woman that calls the Amazigh separatists, that will cause the
country to be destroyed, and you expect me to respect what she says about
Chaouis? Give me a break. She's nothing but a government stooge.
You'd better ask a lot of people what Arab means to them, Fodil. Even though it
has this one definition in international circles, those that designate
themselves as Arabs, including those from the middle East, consider it an
ethnic, racial term. The people who call themselves Arabs think they have Arab
ancestry. They very well might. I only know one Kabyle who considers himself
Arab, and that's because he says he has Saudi ancestry, too. None of the
Chaouis I know call themselves Arab except one, who is half-and-half. Some say
they live in an Arab country, but they don't call themselves, as people, Arab.
Have you even heard Kanti call himself an Arab? He defends the Arabic language,
but he doesn't say he's an Arab. Note the subtleties, Fodil. You are not very
good at subtleties, I've noticed.
>>Do you believe the 27 Millions Algerians that think the Chaouis are ARABS..>>
I'm not following this question. Are you saying 27 million Algerians are
Choaui, or whether the 27 million consider Chaouis Arabs?
>>We, the arabo-Musulmans think so...All Algerians know that the shawis are
"La bete noire" of the Kabyles, the Kabyles know it also...>>
Why are they the black beast?
>>The shawi never declared themselves imazighen and they never will, unless
the Kabyles declare themselves ARABS..>>
While true that there is appears to be this very strong Kabyle-Chaoui
antagonism (appears is the operative word here), there are Chaoui that consider
themselves Amazigh, just as there are Kabyle that don't.
>>Aicha is right!, and NO shawi can contradict her!, None!..It does not matter
what village!...You are not trying to sya "jewish" are you?..The shawis are
Arabs-Arabs of berber ancestry, they used to be berber in 670 A.C...No
more!..>>
You don't seem to understand that no one can ever say they are the only one
representing their "group." Chaouis are not homogeneous.
>>How do you know who the Algerians are?, why would the government care what
people think or call themselves?, what she wrote down is 100% True..>>
I won't say she's 100% wrong, but she's got quite a few things that are dead
wrong.
Bourras
YA CHIWAWA EL KELB
Blanca didn't support a political islamo-bathist corrupted agenda.
She supported a man who promised to put an end to that, and
there is nothing wrong with that.
You're the hypocrit and ass kisser with Aicha the bitch who has
familly ties with the blood suckers in Algeria.
Why do you get irritated when you're called a jew? You're racist
and anti-semite.Why do call yourself an Amazigh when you're
called a jew by Fodhil ,and you reat hatefully when you're called
an Amazigh by the Kabyles. AND why do you keep mentionning
the hollocust if you hate the jews. You're a typical CHIWAWA.
Nobody is against the chawis and don't twist my words. YES we
are against the Chiwawas and KDS. We are not denying the
Chawis rights to exist , YOU are, ya Refad el Kelwa of the arabists.
Edward Said is a christian and defending the rights of
all palestinians. You are not defending the rights of chawias, you
are only defending the interests of the arabo-baathists .
DOWN with Chiwawas, Long life to the brave Imazigh Chawias.
B.
Fodil
> <<> but she's a kiss-ass for the government.
>
> That is UNCALLED FOR!! Does your support for Bouteflika make you A KISS-
> ASS FOR GOVERNMENT scholar?>>
>
what
> she thinks, then..." I need to re-read her books. But that long quote from
> Fodil seems to say she's generalizing and very anti-Berberist. She calls
the
> movement separatist, and doesn't say these are a few in the movement.
>
> I think there is a problem with people defending others for no other
reason
> that because they are of the same ethnicity. I've said it to the Kabyles
> before, but it goes for the Chaouis, too.
>
Blanca!..Aicha is saying the truth about the shawi people!, she is right..
1. there are NO ethnic shawi officially recognized as such, they are
considered arabs.
2. There are no ethnic Kabyles officially recognized as such, they are
recognized as arabo-Musulmans that speak an other unofficial language called
tamazight..
You said earlier that the kabyles and the chaouis are of different
ethnicity...
I am telling you that the only person that made more sens in this forum is
"le_kabyle" and of course AICHA!..Now, the shawis have two choices :
1. Be AICHist or 2. "le_kabylist"..Chaouis do not need wild confused
chiwawas amongst themselves...You are either an amazigh or you are NOT, you
can't be both...From my experience I know that what Aicha wrote about the
shawis is TRUE, the ones that are not AICHist must join the Imazighen..
No ethnic group is offiicially recognized without adhering to the
arabo-musulman identity, the constitution says so!, Am I wrong?, you can
call yourself greek or spanish!, nothing changes the fact that All algerians
are recognized as Arabo-Musulmans first and then "Amazigh"..
Fodil
diasp...@my-deja.com
> Kanti and Diaspora are not the only Chaouis I know, Fodil, and I was
bullheaded
> long before I ever met them.
I don't know about Kanti, but diaspora never had the pleasure of
meeting you!!
> You give me some woman that calls the Amazigh separatists
Her beef is with the extremist elements of the Tamazight Movement. Not
the Amazigh people!
> She's nothing but a government stooge.
Does your support for Bouteflika make you a GOVERNMENT STOOGE scholar?
Ms Lemsine is not a govenment stooge. Her beef is with the extremists,
not with the Amazigh people. Most of her writing is about women issues.
Judge her on the merit of her writings, not on what some extremist
shmucks said. Reread her article!
diaspora.
dz ithalli...dz assa...dz athacha....algeria forever.
diasp...@my-deja.com
You sound very familiar. I heard you before, I swear to God!! The same
style, same words...etc. Split personality perhaps?
Your little post suggests to me that you are a brainless creature who
knows shit. You made me a jew and an anti sematic, arabist and anti
arab, Amazigh and anti Amazigh. All this khalouta in one post. Do you
see my point, brainless bou ass? Think, my little brainless!!
I am still discussing your case with my staff. I will let you know.
In article <19991123185508...@ng-ba1.aol.com>,
bou...@aol.com (Bourras) wrote:
> YA CHIWAWA EL KELB
Ya bou ass ayhi
> She supported a man who promised to put an end to that, and
> there is nothing wrong with that.
I did not say there is anything wrong with her supporting Bouteflika,
brainless. Reread my post, scum bou ass!! It is her right to do so.
Are you sure you are not confusing me with someone who else? I am not
the one who called her: jewish, kahba, sm, spy..etc. I am not the one
who investigated her private life and published the findings.
You are confusing me with someone else, brailess kalb!!
> You're the hypocrit and ass kisser with Aicha the bitch
Toooooz, let us talk about her works, brainless bou ass!! Chiche !!
> Why do you get irritated when you're called a jew?
Very simple : cos I am not!!
>You're racist and anti-semite
toooooz, bou ass!! My posts speak for themselves, brainless!!
> the hollocust if you hate the jews.
I don't hate jews, brainless. I have problems with some Israeli
policies toward the palestinians. But as I said before, I cannot be
more Palestinian than the palestinians themselves. I pray that the
palestinians will have their own state. A place to call HOME! The
palestinians were killed/abused/used by Israel, Arab states and the
supper powers. It is time for them to have their own state!!
> Nobody is against the chawis
I refer you to the filth/racist statements made by different
individuals including your spiritual guru(fod). Perhaps you think it is
ok to describe the shawis as dogs, to label them as"jewish", call them
all the names in the book. If you do, it is your opinion. But don't
expect me to thank the bigos for degrading my people. Never, brainless
bou ass. You do your thing, I do mine!!
> We are not denying the Chawis rights to exist
Geeeee thanks, bou ass!! Who is "we"? Are you speaking on behalf of el
FOUDILIA?
>YOU are, ya Refad el Kelwa of the arabists.
Toooooooz! You are a bou b'3ar(asshole)li ma ya3raf ga3ou min ba3ou!!
> Edward Said is a christian and defending the rights of
> all palestinians.
Wow, bou ass knows something. I am impressed, bou b'3ar. Did you read
any of Said's books? If you did, let us talk! He is a very interesting
guy!! Any of his books, will do!! Can you do that , bou ass?
>You are not defending the rights of chawias
I am defending the rights of all algerians. Read my posts, bou ass. My
posts speak for themselves!!
> Long life to the brave Imazigh Chawias.
Amen to that, bou ass!! Kalima hassana kharjet min famin kabih!
Think about what I said, bou ass. You use akarkour annek next time.
Happy thikr, bou b'3ar!
diaspora.
dz ithalli...dz assa...dz athacha...algeria forever.
diasp...@my-deja.com
ALGERIANS(14.10.99)" Salam, Blanca Madani has been using El Islam and
she is NOT a Muslim."
Just wondering, bou b'3ar!!
Bmadani52
meeting you!!>>
LOL! I meant "met" online.
>Her beef is with the extremist elements of the Tamazight Movement. Not
the Amazigh people!>>
I'd have to read more of her, but that quotation from her appears to be more
generic.
>Does your support for Bouteflika make you a GOVERNMENT STOOGE scholar?>>
I based it on what Fodil said Aicha was saying. I supported Bouteflika, but I
don't go around "yes"ing everything the government and Mr. Bouteflika does,
either. According to that excerpt that was posted, her own words, it looked
like she was generalizing and not being specific.
>> Reread her article!>>
I'll have to read it in context.
Bmadani52
That is UNCALLED FOR!! Does your support for Bouteflika make you A KISS-
ASS FOR GOVERNMENT scholar?>>
It was based on the quote from her. I should have written that "IF that's what
she thinks, then..." I need to re-read her books. But that long quote from
Fodil seems to say she's generalizing and very anti-Berberist. She calls the
movement separatist, and doesn't say these are a few in the movement.
I think there is a problem with people defending others for no other reason
that because they are of the same ethnicity. I've said it to the Kabyles
before, but it goes for the Chaouis, too.
I
Fodil
Arabo-Musulman..When an algerian says Arab, he/she means arabo-musulman
identity, not race..There is no such a thing as the word "race" in islam, I
explained it to you already...Most Algerians do not identify themselves as
arabians from the golf states...They are not stupid, they know who Mohamed
was, a lot of berbers claimed to be descendant of him..
Kanti does not claim to be arab, because he is a Jew first than an Arab...
You don't know..The Imazighen do not want to have anything to do with
Arab(ic) nor with Islam, they found the solution...It's very clear to me
that a semite thta speaks arabic and pledged to Islam, must be an
Arabo-Musulman..
Aicha lemsine made a lot of sens...If the Imazighen claim to not be part of
the arabo-musulman identity, what does this make them? A: Separatists!,
right!?, they are not saying that they are not separatists..They are saying
that they have the rights to be separatists?, don't they?, if not why!?..
They say "We are not arabs and we are not muslims", it means that "We wanna
be left alone!", no mixing...
Fodil
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