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What a useless thing to try!!!
Trying to get languages in such a subjective list.
Steven
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>What a useless thing to try!!!
>Trying to get languages in such a subjective list.
I agree. Such lists are interesting only insofar as they reveal something
about the person who composed them. I know literally nothing about "s.g."
and nothing in his/her bare subjective ranking of languages reveals any-
thing more (such as what criteria he/she thinks important when rating lan-
guages and why or why he/she felt compelled to share this list with
thousands of other netters).
Here's a more interesting question to answer: What languages do you
prefer for certain functions and why? (For instance, would you rather
listen to news in Haitian Creole and read porn in Icelandic or vice
versa?)
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(de...@midway.uchicago.edu) /__\ erhebt Euch
/____\ gegen die Kunst!
The best language(s) for....
talking about business: Pay, Gold
criticizing modern art: Pomo
arranging transportation; Car, Van
talking about golf: Fore, Chip
egotism: Moi, Brat
making jokes: Ha, Hehe, Silisili, Bozo, Mok, Riff
pornography: Kis, Karas, Bare, Anal, Duit, Bagarmi
talking about family: Mama, Papi
talking about talking: Meta
elegies and laments: Alas, Vale, Waling
singing Celtic music: Enya
writing vampire stories: Fang
inciting riots: Eggon, A Mok
endless repetition: More
denials: Non
swearing: Dogon, Dama, Geez
apologizing for a post like this: Sari
Be that as it may, someone who doesn't see and hear beauty in languages (and
therefore likely some more than others) is missing out on a great deal.
Paul Davidson
You forgot German. How could you forget German?
And you forgot Malagasy and Inuit!!!!!!!! How on earth?!?!?!?
I prefer reading a newspaper in Icelandic (the similarity to Old Norse
makes you think you are reading historic annals);
speak Danish over a drink with a couple of friends (becomes more easy to
pronounce after a couple of beers);
speak Greenlandic in the winter (when your lips are frozen, it's good to
have a language where you can pronounce everything with your throat);
speak Italian when addressing a large audience (forces you to open your
mouth wide enough to reach the back seats);
and of course, speak Achterhoeks with my family, because that is the
language that smells like home (where the "smell of home" immediately
brings to mind my mother's caramel pudding... anyone knows a language
you can speak with that much moisture in your mouth?)
Egbert.
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I'll take a stab: He/she/it is almost certainly white or is an extreme
Europhile. Or both.
Peter
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Recognising beauty doesn't automatically lead to rankings. Say I enjoy
the sound of sung French, but I don't like the sound of it spoken, and I
think the morphology of Romani is very appealing, but I don't particularly
like listening to it or reading it, and I think Malayali script is
gorgeous, but I don't even know how it sounds, reads, or parses. How
would I rank these three languages relative to each other? And what would
be the point?
Stuff and nonsense. Number 1 just has to be Tannese
(Vanuatu). When a 50-year old ni-Vanuatu who speaks
no Tannese, and 40-year old Frenchwoman who knows no
Tannese either tell you the same, 20 years and 18,000km
apart, it has to be true.
Persian? That is the most hideous language I have ever
heard! So far.
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Before you buy.
> Travis Bemann wrote:
>
> > I agree. BBC English is quite pleasant, IMHO, but my dialect of English
> > is far from pleasant. It's quite rich in glottal stops, [ai]->[@i],
> > particular initial and middle consonant clusters getting expanded and
> > fricativized (for example, initial /str/->[SdZr] (on hell of an unpleasant
> > consonant cluster)), as well as other phonetic delights. Does anyone here
> > know of any language with consonant clusters worse than [SdZr]?
>
> Do you realize how revealing this statement is? Who taught you this
> self-hatred?
I don't hate my own dialect. It just has a particularly
unpleasant-sounding consonant cluster. I tend to think purely unvoiced
(not counting approximates) consonant clusters sound pleasant. On the
other hand, there is the "I've got bigger consonant clusters than you!"
factor. ;-)
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Travis Bemann
Travis Bemann wrote:
| I don't hate my own dialect. It just has a particularly
| unpleasant-sounding consonant cluster. I tend to think purely unvoiced
| (not counting approximates) consonant clusters sound pleasant. On the
| other hand, there is the "I've got bigger consonant clusters than you!"
| factor. ;-)
Does it count as a consonant cluster if the consonants belong to separate
words? For instance, pitched hay, crushed shrimp, and so on? Not all
English dialects separate those pairs of words with breathing space in the
middle; some just run the consonants together, in a 'devil may care' sort
of fashion.
It's two adjacent consonant clusters (or just adjacent single consonants)
if the consonants are in different syllables.
--
Travis Bemann
> REMOVETOSP...@hotmail.com (Travis Bemann) writes:
>
> > Does anyone here know of any language with consonant clusters worse
> > than [SdZr]?
>
> [gvprtskvn] is rather bad...
Georgian, right? What does the word [gvprtskvn] mean, how many
syllables are in it, and which syllable (if >1) takes the stress?
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> Thomas Martin Widmann wrote:
>
> > REMOVETOSP...@hotmail.com (Travis Bemann) writes:
> >
> > > Does anyone here know of any language with consonant clusters worse
> > > than [SdZr]?
> >
> > [gvprtskvn] is rather bad...
>
> Georgian, right?
Right.
> What does the word [gvprtskvn] mean
Nothing. It's not a word, it's a consonant cluster.
A word with this cluster is _gvprtskvnis_ "he peels us" (as far as I
remember, my Georgian is a little rusty).
> how many syllables are in it,
0.
> and which syllable (if >1) takes the stress?
Void.
/Thomas
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Scania, did you guess it? It's the southermost province of Sweden,
and was Danish until 1658. Scanian shares a few traits with Danish,
but shares more with Swedish. And the most typical characteristics
of Scanian, for instance all the diphtongs are local inventions.
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>In article <1999101417172...@hotmail.com>,
> "s g" <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. Czech
>> 5. Persian
>
>Stuff and nonsense. Number 1 just has to be Tannese
>(Vanuatu). When a 50-year old ni-Vanuatu who speaks
>no Tannese, and 40-year old Frenchwoman who knows no
>Tannese either tell you the same, 20 years and 18,000km
>apart, it has to be true.
>
>Persian? That is the most hideous language I have ever
>heard! So far.
No, it's perfect for oratory. I was surfing the channels one day and
stopped on the local Farsi channel, where someone was giving what
seemed to be a political speech (but might have been a sermon, for all
I know -- I speak no Farsi). For several minutes I sat spellbound,
listening to rolling cadences that would have put even the late Sen.
Everett Dirksen to shame.
Oh, OK! Skåne. I've been there before, but only very briefly and that was
some time ago, so I wasn't able to get a feel for how it sounds. I'll have
to keep an eye (or ear) out for it.
Sometimes, the English names for places really throw me off...
Peter
One more thing. I could look it up, but I'm too lazy at the moment, but
Skåne is pronounced [skYn@] ?
Anyways, I've never heard the name "Scania" before. I realize that is the
English name for it, but to me it sounds somewhat ridiculous. Just like I
don't like the English "Gothenburg" for Göteborg. Awful... <g>
Peter
In standard Swedish it's [sko:ne] (or [sko:n@]). In Scanian, it depends
on where in Scania you are. In Kristianstad where I come from, it
might be [skO"wn@]. Further south it's rather [skown@]. The pronunciation
you gave does not appear anywhere I believe.
|> would you rather listen to news
|> in Haitian Creole and read porn in Icelandic or vice versa?)
Oh, porn in Icelandic, definitely!
Those Icicles are real ravers... and they *love* their porn vice versa.
Or so I've heard...
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>REMOVETOSP...@hotmail.com (Travis Bemann) writes:
>
>> Does anyone here know of any language with consonant clusters worse
>> than [SdZr]?
>
>[gvprtskvn] is rather bad...
Georgian, and I claim my free Southern Drawl. I believe the final
vowel is 'i'.
What did it mean, again?
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Newton <nospam...@gmx.net>
>A word with this cluster is _gvprtskvnis_ "he peels us" (as far as I
>remember, my Georgian is a little rusty).
How many syllables in this word? One? Or more?
I thought it was "he is feeling us". Although there is a subsequence of 8
consonants, <ts> is apparently regarded as a single consonant.
That's right. Also /Cv/ kan be said to constitute a single
'meta-consonant', and /tsk/ is a so-called 'harmonic cluster', so you
could argue that there're only 5 segments in the cluster: gv-p-r-tskv-n.
Compare with the following from Jaqaru (related to Aymara):
isht'kt"sk"a 'I closed it again'
jayt'awq"t"sk"a 'I left it again'
sijcx'k"q"kt"rk"a 'So maybe you think I'm tearing it!'
where " marks aspiration, ' marks glottalization, cx is a retroflex palatal
affricate, and j is a back fricative. Everything else is conventional.
--
Christopher Pound (po...@rice.edu)
Dept. of Anthropology, Rice University
> In article <yrs4sfq...@humulus.daimi.au.dk>,
> Thomas Martin Widmann <vira...@humulus.daimi.au.dk> wrote:
> >REMOVETOSP...@hotmail.com (Travis Bemann) writes:
> >
> >> Does anyone here know of any language with consonant clusters worse
> >> than [SdZr]?
> >
> >[gvprtskvn] is rather bad...
>
> Compare with the following from Jaqaru (related to Aymara):
>
> isht'kt"sk"a 'I closed it again'
> jayt'awq"t"sk"a 'I left it again'
> sijcx'k"q"kt"rk"a 'So maybe you think I'm tearing it!'
>
> where " marks aspiration, ' marks glottalization, cx is a retroflex palatal
> affricate, and j is a back fricative. Everything else is conventional.
Nice one.
Well, I like Italian for general prose/fiction; I think it is a very
expressive language. Either Russian or Italian for poetry - it's really
hard to decide between the two. English for science/technology writing.
Hebrew for religion. As for porn - well, I think that any kind of erotic
writing sounds much better in Sanskrit. Alas, my Sanskrit is not yet good
enough to murmur endearments in; but I hope, someday, to get to that
point.
Oh, and definitely Russian for bad language. English curse words just
don't have the same resonance to them, Italian curse words just sound too
pretty, and I'm not fluent enough in French to be able to swear in it. I
imagine that Hebrew swear words would be rather satisfying to pronounce,
but I don't know any yet.
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My mind boggles at trying to imagine porn in Icelandic. Is it even
possible?
>I imagine that Hebrew swear words would be rather satisfying to pronounce,
>but I don't know any yet.
Try "Kus Ommok" for a start (very very rude), and see if you make news friends!;-)
FYI, since there are no swear words in the Bible, most Hebrew swear words
have been taken from Arabic.
Regards,
Le Magicien.
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>D. Edward Gund v. Brighoff wrote:
>>
>> Here's a more interesting question to answer: What languages do you
>> prefer for certain functions and why? (For instance, would you rather
>> listen to news in Haitian Creole and read porn in Icelandic or vice
>> versa?)
>
>Well, I like Italian for general prose/fiction; I think it is a very
>expressive language.
English for me. But Spanish is very good, too -- Borges translates
well, but he's better in the original. Unfortunately, my Italian is
not quite good enough -- maybe I should work on something by Eco for a
while.
>Either Russian or Italian for poetry - it's really
>hard to decide between the two.
For poetry I like Japanese. There are things you can do with the
writing system that add layers of depth to some poems (visual rhymes,
for instance). On the other hand, my Italian is only good enough to
read Dante (my all-time model of clear writing) and I do not read
Russian at all.
>English for science/technology writing.
I prefer German, but I think any language will do for that purpose --
most of the vocabulary is international anyhow.
>Hebrew for religion.
I'll pass on that one...
>As for porn - well, I think that any kind of erotic
>writing sounds much better in Sanskrit. Alas, my Sanskrit is not yet good
>enough to murmur endearments in; but I hope, someday, to get to that
>point.
I find that porn in French has a je ne sais quoi -- kinkiness, perhaps
-- that I don't find in English or German. Not that I am much of a
connoisseur of the subject. As for Japanese, I can barely tell the
difference between porn (particularly of the S&M-variety) and serious
literature.
>Oh, and definitely Russian for bad language. English curse words just
>don't have the same resonance to them, Italian curse words just sound too
>pretty, and I'm not fluent enough in French to be able to swear in it. I
>imagine that Hebrew swear words would be rather satisfying to pronounce,
>but I don't know any yet.
I don't know enough Russian to swear in it (although I was taught some
choice Czech terms by a high-school friend), but Spanish and Japanese
are quite good. French isn't bad either. But I have heard, from some
who know it, that the best language of all for curses (especially of
the elaborate, poetic variety) is Arabic.
> I don't know enough Russian to swear in it (although I was taught some
> choice Czech terms by a high-school friend), but Spanish and Japanese
> are quite good. French isn't bad either. But I have heard, from some
> who know it, that the best language of all for curses (especially of
> the elaborate, poetic variety) is Arabic.
Every Arabic word has four meanings: Its meaning; the opposite;
something obscene; and something to do with camels.
The latter two are especially useful in cursing.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@worldnet.att.net
[snip]
> >Hebrew for religion.
Only works for Judaism, really. I have a Hebrew New Testament at home
(published by the Society for the Propagation of Christianity to the
Jews, or some such), and a lot of it sounds pretty, well, silly.
I imagine that most religious writings sound best in their original
language. The Bible in English (at least the King James Version) is
riddled with inaccuracies (some are real howlers), and subsequent
attempts at better translations fail because they don't have the appeal
to tradition that King James does.
>
> I'll pass on that one...
>
> >As for porn - well, I think that any kind of erotic
> >writing sounds much better in Sanskrit. Alas, my Sanskrit is not
yet good
> >enough to murmur endearments in; but I hope, someday, to get to that
> >point.
>
> I find that porn in French has a je ne sais quoi -- kinkiness, perhaps
> -- that I don't find in English or German. Not that I am much of a
> connoisseur of the subject. As for Japanese, I can barely tell the
> difference between porn (particularly of the S&M-variety) and serious
> literature.
>
> >Oh, and definitely Russian for bad language. English curse words
just
> >don't have the same resonance to them, Italian curse words just
sound too
> >pretty, and I'm not fluent enough in French to be able to swear in
it. I
> >imagine that Hebrew swear words would be rather satisfying to
pronounce,
> >but I don't know any yet.
Nor will you. In Modern Hebrew, the vast minority of swear words are
borrowed from other languages: Arabic, Yiddish, Russian, English. In
fact, the only native Hebrew swear words I can think of are "whore"
(it's in the Bible) and its derivatives, and the word "zayin", drafted
into slang usage to mean "penis", though its original meaning
is "weapon". I think the "penis" meaning comes from the shape of the
Hebrew LETTER cakked "zayin", rather than from the meaning of the noun.
>
> I don't know enough Russian to swear in it (although I was taught some
> choice Czech terms by a high-school friend), but Spanish and Japanese
> are quite good. French isn't bad either. But I have heard, from some
> who know it, that the best language of all for curses (especially of
> the elaborate, poetic variety) is Arabic.
>
Arabic has some wonderful rhyming curses. One of my favorites
is "Sixty British steamships couldn't pull your nose out of my arse."
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Well, I suppose. Catholicism sounds much better in Latin.
Oh well. So much for swearing in Hebrew. (though in my cursing, I tend
to prefer elaborate curses with no bad language at all - so perhaps,
Arabic curses would be appropriate)
>Arabic has some wonderful rhyming curses. One of my favorites
>is "Sixty British steamships couldn't pull your nose out of my arse."
Original, please?
Cheers,
Philip
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