How to Get Rid of JW callers
Kim
BY ADAM FRESCO
A MOTHER of three children became so fed up with Jehovah's Witnesses calling
at her home that she interrupted their Sunday service by banging on their
church door and offering them free magazines.
Jane White, 35, who has been visited by the religious group every month for
more than 12 years, spent 30 minutes on the steps of the Kingdom Hall, in
Peacehaven, East Sussex, until police moved her on. Afterwards she said:
"I've never done anything like this before, but I had a visit from the
Jehovah's Witnesses the day before and that was the straw which broke the
camel's back.
"I've been having regular visits from them in the 12 years I've lived in
Peacehaven. It is not the religion I object to, it is just the intrusion
into
my privacy which I find annoying."
She added: "I timed my visit for 10am because I knew it would be in the
middle of a service. One member of the congregation thought it was funny,
others took it seriously.
"I tried to hand out free magazines to see if they would like a copy, just
like the copies of The Watchtower the Jehovah's Witnesses hand out. Nobody
seemed to want them though."
_____
I thought this was rather funny. I don't think I could have waited for *12
years* though, to do something about it.
--
Kim
www.vtgenealogy.com
ki...@family-net.org
*Living on Earth is expensive - but it does include a free trip around the
sun"
Amy Austin
"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote in message
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> "I tried to hand out free magazines to see if they would like a copy, just
> like the copies of The Watchtower the Jehovah's Witnesses hand out. Nobody
> seemed to want them though."
>
> _____
> I thought this was rather funny. I don't think I could have waited for *12
> years* though, to do something about it.
Wow - that was brilliant. I'm impressed.
When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When you want
something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come offer it to
you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get it," I
say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up here. But
I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I love it.
L & k,
Amy
Mark Hanson
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> When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When you
want
> something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come offer it
to
> you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get it," I
> say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up here.
But
> I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I love it.
>
almost hoping we do. Well, almost.
Mark
Al Yellon
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>
> When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When you
want
> something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come offer it
to
> you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get it," I
> say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up here.
But
> I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I love it.
Speaking of brilliant, this is brilliant. Thanks, Amy. I can't wait to try
it.
tooloud10
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>
I try to sign them up for blood drives.
I ran across this site the other day--anyone know if all these are true or
if it's bunk?
http://www.jwfiles.com/jw-cant.htm
> L & k,
> Amy
--
tooloud10
Remove nothing to reply...
Perry Farmer
-> "Amy Austin" <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
-> news:a2esq9$10ue89$1...@ID-120985.news.dfncis.de...
-> > When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When you
-> want
-> > something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come of
-> to
-> > you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get
-> > say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up h
-> But
-> > I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I l
-> >
-> That's good. We practically never get people coming to the door. Now I'm
-> almost hoping we do. Well, almost.
Or you can move to an area where there are laws against sales people
banging on your doors. In the case of the witnesses one could simply
contact the president of the congregation and ask to be removed from the
route.
What occurs is that routes are assigned and if feedback from those who
do not want to be visited never reaches this point, assignments just
keep going out.
-> Mark
Perry
Amy Austin
"Perry Farmer" <perry....@thefarm.tzo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> -> "Amy Austin" <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> -> news:a2esq9$10ue89$1...@ID-120985.news.dfncis.de...
> -> > When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When
you
> -> want
> -> > something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come of
> -> to
> -> > you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get
> -> > say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up h
> -> But
> -> > I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I l
> -> >
> -> That's good. We practically never get people coming to the door. Now
I'm
> -> almost hoping we do. Well, almost.
>
> Or you can move to an area where there are laws against sales people
> banging on your doors. In the case of the witnesses one could simply
> contact the president of the congregation and ask to be removed from the
> route.
No kidding? I'm calling them right now.
> What occurs is that routes are assigned and if feedback from those who
> do not want to be visited never reaches this point, assignments just
> keep going out.
It's the same little old ladies all the time, and I feel so bad telling them
to get lost... If I could passive aggressively call the Kingdom hall and
tell them to knock it off, that'll solve all my problems! Yay!
Thanks Perry!!!
L & k,
Amy
Amy Austin
> It's the same little old ladies all the time, and I feel so bad telling
them
> to get lost... If I could passive aggressively call the Kingdom hall and
> tell them to knock it off, that'll solve all my problems! Yay!
>
> Thanks Perry!!!
Update: I got the numbers for the three different congregations off of the
Internet. I talked to two live people and one answering machine (the
machine didn't say anything about Hovies - I hope it wasn't a private
residence!! I left a message anyway). They were just as nice as pie, and
they took my first name and my address and promised to take me off the
routes.
We'll see if I start getting more visits. Wouldn't that be funny.
The second guy asked me why I was uninterested. I explained that I and my
family have been Methodists forever, going back at least 4 generations. I
also explained that I disagree with their stance on birthdays and holidays
(I believe that God loves us and wants us to be happy, and that celebrations
are a part of that)... and that I disagree with their stance on blood
transfusion (I believe that God has given us medical knowledge as a gift,
and that there's nothing wrong with using it so long as it is used
responsibly, etc.) and he was very very nice. He responded briefly to my
concerns, without explaining why JW's believe differently, and promised to
remove my address from the list.
I wish I'd thought of that sooner. Perry, you rock.
L & k,
Amy
rob...@bestweb.net
Once, not even wanting to discourage them, and not having planned anything,
I just fell into giving some JW visitors the Discordian trip; we sat outside
on the ront steps. It was not play-acting on my part, either. And the
visit ended with THEIR running out of time, of course.
Robert
Jeff Wisnia
Along these lines...Here's a strategy I thought up on my own which seems to get
rid of telemarketers without having to tell them three time I'm not interested
or slamming the phone down on them. I just tell them I.m in the same business or
am employed by whatever company they're fronting for and that I'm sure that gets
me better deals than then could possibly offer me. Seems to work every time,
they give right up without sounding annoyed.
Don't think that would work too well with JWs at the door though, I can't think
up a believable one for that situation.
Jeff
--
Jeff Wisnia W1BSV Brass Rat '57 ee
"Things which go away by themselves usually come back by themselves."
Al Yellon
> The second guy asked me why I was uninterested. I explained that I and my
> family have been Methodists forever, going back at least 4 generations. I
> also explained that I disagree with their stance on birthdays and holidays
> (I believe that God loves us and wants us to be happy, and that
celebrations
> are a part of that)... and that I disagree with their stance on blood
> transfusion (I believe that God has given us medical knowledge as a gift,
> and that there's nothing wrong with using it so long as it is used
> responsibly, etc.) and he was very very nice. He responded briefly to my
> concerns, without explaining why JW's believe differently, and promised to
> remove my address from the list.
While this was very nice of you to explain, the correct answer to the
question of why you were uninterested is:
"None of your business."
Asterbark
ITYM "Your representatives always seem to knock on my door right after I've
started the bonfire and just before I'm getting ready to rend my goat for the
ceremony."
Gary S. Callison
: Some of these look like they were drawn by Mad Magazine artists, the
: style is unmistakeable--but I'm sure these have to be copycat artists.
: Or who knows, maybe it was work for hire?
Why not? A) it _is_ a parody- a parody of _itself_, B) If they were paid
to draw that stuff, they may be the only people to have actually gotten
anything USEFUL out of the Jack Chick Experience, and C) the more of their
money you take, the less they have to buy bombs for abortion clinics and
stuff.
I'm all for it. I think I'm gonna start work on the Jack Chick Songbook...
--
Huey
Asterbark
>
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:56:41 -0500, Amy Austin wrote:
>
>>When sales people come to my door, lately, I've been saying, "When you want
>>something, do you sit in your house and wait for someone to come offer it to
>>you, or do you go out and get it." When they say, "Go out and get it," I
>>say, "Yeah? Me too," and shut the door. I think I picked that up here. But
>>I had not yet figured out a way to spin that for the Hovies... I love it.
>
>Buy some Chick Tracts and give them to the JWs, and tell them that they're
>going to burn in Hell for eternity if they don't subscribe to..er..whatever
>religion it is that Jack Chick is pushing. The other day at an alternative
>comic shop I found a collection of what looks like about 90 Chick Tracts in
>a plastic container that looked like it was made to hold them, and I gave
>in to the Dark Side and bought them. Now I am wallowing in assurances that
>Catholics are the devil's minions, along with loving depictions of people
>being sentenced to burn forever because their name is "not in the book of
>life."
>
>I have to say, Jack Chick really has a mad-on for Catholics. One whole
>tract is devoted to explaining how they eat "God cookies" which are
>"actually death cookies".
>
>Some of these look like they were drawn by Mad Magazine artists, the style
>is unmistakeable--but I'm sure these have to be copycat artists. Or who
>knows, maybe it was work for hire?
>
They sell little signs at the hardware store that say "No Solicitors" right on
them, although if you're crafty, for sure, you could make a similarly worded
sign out of scrap wood or metal or plastic or slate, and hand-paint some
lettering, maybe with some graphic element that you like, which expresses your
wishes to be left undisturbed by random salesfolk of any kind, in coordinating
colors and aesthetically pleasing script. Really a head-scratcher what's so
satisfying about waiting 12 years to cook up a public revenge scheme involving
a police visit. Really a head-scratcher what's so more satisfying about
collecting obnoxious pamphlets to lie in wait to foil a Witness (or call them
on the phone) when a sign already in place would do it neatly. Otherwise, it
is, for whatever kooky reason, in their religion to bother you from whatever
heathen activities you're muddling your hands and mind in to come physically to
the barrier of your home, alert you to their presence there, speak with you,
and convert you. They do respect the sign.
I'd like to know how many conversions they can attribute to that method, but
that's a different matter entirely.
--
Aster
"We come in the age's most uncertain hours
and sing an American tune"
Deborah
>I'd like to know how many conversions they can attribute to that method, but
>that's a different matter entirely.
One of the little-known secrets of some forms of missionary work is that they
don't function to bring large numbers of converts into the fold. They function
to reinforce the commitment of the missionaries to the faith.
Sorry to bring it up again,* but this is classic example of cognitive
dissonance at work. For more about this hypothesis, see "When Prophecy Fails,"
by Leon Festinger et al.
Best regards from Deborah
*Seems like I'm always falling back on cognitive dissonance to explain behavior
that Cecilians think is irrational in other people.
--
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Gary S. Callison
: They sell little signs at the hardware store that say "No Solicitors"
: right on them, although if you're crafty, for sure, you could make a
: similarly worded sign out of scrap wood or metal or plastic or slate,
: and hand-paint some lettering, maybe with some graphic element that you
: like, which expresses your wishes to be left undisturbed by random
: salesfolk of any kind, in coordinating colors and aesthetically
: pleasing script.
For maximum effect, find a pre-made sign at the hardware store that says
"No Solicitors". Take this sign home and carefully duplicate the color and
font in making your own sign that says "Religious Prostheletyzers Will Be
Burned At The Stake As Heretics To The One True Faith". And the first time
someone asks "What is the one true faith?" cry "YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE
ONE TRUE FAITH? DIE, HEATHEN!" and then charge at them with a meat cleaver.
--
Huey
...okay, so maybe I'm a little weird...
Kim
"Deborah" <sjf...@aol.com.net.org> wrote in message
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> aste...@aol.comeffu (Asterbark) writes:
>
> >I'd like to know how many conversions they can attribute to that method,
but
> >that's a different matter entirely.
>
> One of the little-known secrets of some forms of missionary work is that
they
> don't function to bring large numbers of converts into the fold. They
function
> to reinforce the commitment of the missionaries to the faith.
Well, that is a rather interesting angle to look at it from. I never really
thought about it that way. So, instead of trying to convert me, they are
really trying to reinforce the values in the recruiters themselves? Does
make sense. When I was a teacher, it was always a strategy to place a
student at the front of the class to explain something. Makes it easier for
the student to understand the concept if he has to explain it to someone
else.
And my husband "gets things" better that way, too. If he explains a problem
with his Harley to me, usually before he gets done explaining the problem,
he has figured out the solution.
I like that angle.
Kim
Kim
"Asterbark" <aste...@aol.comeffu> wrote in message
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> >
> >While this was very nice of you to explain, the correct answer to the
> >question of why you were uninterested is:
> >
> >"None of your business."
>
>
> ITYM "Your representatives always seem to knock on my door right after
I've
> started the bonfire and just before I'm getting ready to rend my goat for
the
> ceremony."
You know, this would actually work for me. We *do* have goats running around
the yard.
Kim
Bob Ward
wrote:
>
>-:"I tried to hand out free magazines to see if they would like a copy, just
>-:like the copies of The Watchtower the Jehovah's Witnesses hand out. Nobody
>-:seemed to want them though."
>-:
>-:_____
>-:I thought this was rather funny. I don't think I could have waited for *12
>-:years* though, to do something about it.
Don't knock Watchtower - I like to carry one with me while flying - or
even riding the bus. Just hold it up in front of your chest and try
to make eye contact with each person as they come down the aisle. I I
I guarantee that if there is an empty seat, it will be the one next to
you.
--
This space left intentionally blank
!Caveat emptor Nostradamus
>
>I have to say, Jack Chick really has a mad-on for Catholics. One whole
>tract is devoted to explaining how they eat "God cookies" which are
>"actually death cookies".
>
>Some of these look like they were drawn by Mad Magazine artists, the style
>is unmistakeable--but I'm sure these have to be copycat artists. Or who
>knows, maybe it was work for hire?
>
!Caveat emptor Nostradamus
>aste...@aol.comeffu (Asterbark) writes:
>
>>I'd like to know how many conversions they can attribute to that method, but
>>that's a different matter entirely.
>
>One of the little-known secrets of some forms of missionary work is that they
>don't function to bring large numbers of converts into the fold. They function
>to reinforce the commitment of the missionaries to the faith.
>
>Sorry to bring it up again,* but this is classic example of cognitive
>dissonance at work. For more about this hypothesis, see "When Prophecy Fails,"
>by Leon Festinger et al.
>
I remember reading on the Web, a few years ago, an article that
described how cults work to meet the psychological needs of the cult
leaders. For some leaders, the effects diminish over time, so the
leader becomes more whack and more demanding/abusive of the followers.
Eventually some kill the followers.
!Caveat emptor Nostradamus
I prefer Amy's approach.
Fred Simons
"Gary S. Callison" <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
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I have a friend who used to have:
a) a large pentacle necklace
b) a black, crimson-lined cape
c) a preserved human skull
and d) sufficient line-of-sight up the sidewalk to be able to don necklace
and cape, and grab the skull, before greeting the "visitors" at his door.
Amusing reactions.
Ya, he was a little weird.
Fred Simons
rob...@bestweb.net
>aste...@aol.comeffu (Asterbark) writes:
>>I'd like to know how many conversions they can attribute to that
>>method, but that's a different matter entirely.
>One of the little-known secrets of some forms of missionary work is
>that they don't function to bring large numbers of converts into
>the fold. They function to reinforce the commitment of the
>missionaries to the faith.
Bingo!! Also many forms of political protest.
rob...@bestweb.net
>ket...@checkmysig.com wrote:
My friend Frank Schwartz made up some terrific parody Chick comics for
Frank's House of a Different Color.
rob...@bestweb.net
>running around the yard.
>Kim
Do they like to dance with people? A few nights ago I dreamed of dancing
with a goat. I didn't seek the goat, it sought me.
rob...@bestweb.net
>Basil Wolverton?
The dinosaur head drawing on the cover of Science 3 Aug. 2001 (293:5531)
looks to me like an inside joke -- an imitation of Wolverton's "Which One
Has the Phony?" cover of Panic.
Robert
Philip Newton
> Once, not even wanting to discourage them, and not having planned anything,
> I just fell into giving some JW visitors the Discordian trip; we sat outside
> on the ront steps. It was not play-acting on my part, either. And the
> visit ended with THEIR running out of time, of course.
Can you explain more? What's "giving them the Discordian trip"?
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <nospam...@gmx.li>
That really is my address; no need to remove anything to reply.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Philip Newton
> Along these lines...Here's a strategy I thought up on my own which seems to get
> rid of telemarketers without having to tell them three time I'm not interested
> or slamming the phone down on them. I just tell them I.m in the same business or
> am employed by whatever company they're fronting for and that I'm sure that gets
> me better deals than then could possibly offer me. Seems to work every time,
> they give right up without sounding annoyed.
>
> Don't think that would work too well with JWs at the door though, I can't think
> up a believable one for that situation.
"Sorry, but I'm on of the 144'000 already." "So why haven't we seen
you in Kingdom Hall?" "Um..."
Or maybe
"Thanks, but I'm God; I know all about this stuff" ?
Kim
<rob...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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Hmmmm... that's interesting. We have "tons" of different species here at the
farm, and the goats generally seek out their own kind.
Kim
rob...@bestweb.net
>Can you explain more? What's "giving them the Discordian trip"?
Read "Principia Discordia" by Kerry Thornley. God is Discordia (Eris).
Look at all the chaos & confusion around you. That had to come from
somewhere.
Robert
Rex Mundi
"Fred Simons" <sim...@wctc.net> wrote in message
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In my youth I tried the Satanist angle with the local JWs. Didn't work,
they just kept bringing more people over until they brought over their
"leader" or whatever he was and we all shouted obscenities util they left.
Nowadays I have a demon gargoyle above my front door. This actually worked,
The JWs stayed away (I watched them skip my house).
Last week we got a visit. I was rude, they left.
Gotta get a bigger demon.
Michael
> In my youth I tried the Satanist angle with the local JWs. Didn't work,
> they just kept bringing more people over until they brought over their
> "leader" or whatever he was and we all shouted obscenities util they left.
>
> Nowadays I have a demon gargoyle above my front door. This actually worked,
> The JWs stayed away (I watched them skip my house).
>
> Last week we got a visit. I was rude, they left.
>
> Gotta get a bigger demon.
I simply gave them the name and number of a friend. Haven't seen them
since.
--
Michael
I have three e-mail addresses :
mitc...@image-link.com mitc...@att.net mitc...@attbi.com
If one doesn't work, well...
Carl Fink
were themselves recent converts). They stopped sending people to
talk to me.
--
Carl Fink ca...@dm.net
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
Scott K Stafford
>
>When I was in college I unconverted a couple of LDS missionaries (who
>were themselves recent converts).
Wow, how cool! How did you do that?
"No one understands cool except me and James Dean"-Arthur Fonzarelli
Asterbark
I'd like to study you for my thesis on increasing hostility, and you could say
okay, or if not, you could just say no thank you. No prepared dramatic
presentations necessary for me to take the hint. Like Deborah said, though, I
guess it is more to solidify the commitment to your beliefs to actively forfeit
a tasteful and maximally effective sign posted outside your gate in favor of a
display involving costumes and props and loud whooping. Either way would
probably solve the problem, but only one of them involves an awful lot more
effort than just answering the door and saying you're not interested.
rob...@bestweb.net
>> Do they like to dance with people? A few nights ago I dreamed of
>>dancing with a goat. I didn't seek the goat, it sought me.
>Hmmmm... that's interesting. We have "tons" of different species
>here at the farm, and the goats generally seek out their own kind.
Maybe under most conditions, but this was a lone goat that came up to me on
Main St. in White Plains just east of the train station. (But unlike the
real White Plains, the dream WP had the train running UNDER the street along
the Bronx R.)
Robert
Helge Moulding
> Kim wrote, [citing a story by Adam Fresco],
> > [woman harrasses JW congregation until police are called]
> Wow - that was brilliant. I'm impressed.
What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"? I
suppose you don't get the satisfaction of ragging on socially
unpopular groups (and activities), but it seems to me that it
avoids a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
Incidentally, people knocking on your door to bug you about
stuff ain't about privacy, it's about not being disturbed.
Privacy is where you keep your name off the mailbox, and keep
your cash under your mattress. The two concept intersect when
you become a hermit and develop heavy duty BO.
--
Helge Moulding
mailto:hmou...@excite.com Just another guy
http://hmoulding.cjb.net/ with a weird name
Gary S. Callison
: hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:
: >For maximum effect, find a pre-made sign at the hardware store that
: >says "No Solicitors". Take this sign home and carefully duplicate the
: >color and font in making your own sign that says "Religious
: >Prostheletyzers Will Be Burned At The Stake As Heretics To The One
: >True Faith". And the first time someone asks "What is the one true
: >faith?" cry "YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE ONE TRUE FAITH? DIE, HEATHEN!"
: >and then charge at them with a meat cleaver.
: >...okay, so maybe I'm a little weird...
: I'd like to study you for my thesis on increasing hostility, and you
: could say okay, or if not, you could just say no thank you.
You're missing the point. It's not 'increasing hostility' at all, any more
than bringing magazines to Kingdom Hall during a service is. It's _humor_,
albeit a somewhat twisted sort of humor that not a lot of people are going
to find quite so funny as the perpetrator is.
--
Huey
incandescent blue
ket...@checkmysig.com wrote:
>
> Buy some Chick Tracts and give them to the JWs, and tell them that they're
> going to burn in Hell for eternity if they don't subscribe to..er..whatever
> religion it is that Jack Chick is pushing. The other day at an alternative
> comic shop I found a collection of what looks like about 90 Chick Tracts in
> a plastic container that looked like it was made to hold them, and I gave
> in to the Dark Side and bought them.
<snip>
> is unmistakeable--but I'm sure these have to be copycat artists. Or who
> knows, maybe it was work for hire?
Head on back to your friendly comic shop and see if they have or
can special-order you a copy of "The Imp #2".
<http://www.teleport-city.com/inkings/zines/chick.html>
As the reviewer notes here, the writer is a bit shrill at points -- but
it's still a pretty fascinating document for anyone interested in
Jack Chick and his work.
--
Ava Callison <die-bla...@hyacinthine.net>
If they ask you a question, be sure to tell them the truth. And do not
make the mistake of assuming that the wolf is more dangerous than the woman.
-- "Blood and Silver", Patrick Califia-Rice
Asterbark
>Asterbark (aste...@aol.comeffu) wrote:
>: hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:
>: >For maximum effect, find a pre-made sign at the hardware store that
>: >says "No Solicitors". Take this sign home and carefully duplicate the
>: >color and font in making your own sign that says "Religious
>: >Prostheletyzers Will Be Burned At The Stake As Heretics To The One
>: >True Faith". And the first time someone asks "What is the one true
>: >faith?" cry "YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE ONE TRUE FAITH? DIE, HEATHEN!"
>: >and then charge at them with a meat cleaver.
>: >
>: >...okay, so maybe I'm a little weird...
>: I'd like to study you for my thesis on increasing hostility, and you
>: could say okay, or if not, you could just say no thank you.
>
>You're missing the point.
I certainly am not.
> It's not 'increasing hostility' at all,
In your description, there was YELLING.
any more
>than bringing magazines to Kingdom Hall during a service is.
Insomuch as one might find it relevant to their mental well-being to let it get
that far.
It's _humor_,
>albeit a somewhat twisted sort of humor that not a lot of people are going
>to find quite so funny
It's just sort of the.. if you had a sign out front, you wouldn't even know of
them to make up an elaborate joke on them.
as the perpetrator is.
>
I think you make the joke upon yourself for building up the Witnesses to be
worth spending such elaborations of mental and physical effort in addition to
perhaps weeks or months waiting for the opportunity to arise, only to come home
from an errand to find they'd already been to your house. Some people might be
frustrated by that.
Scott K Stafford
>As the reviewer notes here,
The reviewer is an ass.
the writer is a bit shrill at points --
"Raeburn refers to Chick's tracts as hate literature a few times, which seems a
bit extreme, and telegraphs the fact that Raeburn hasn't had much contact with
fundamentalist Christians. Of course, the Canadian government has banned
Chick's tracts under hate literature laws, but I seem to remember that the Evil
Dead films were also verbotten. To me, this doesn't prove that Chick's tracts
are hate literature, it just illustrates what a shame it is that our neighbors
to the north never inserted one of those pesky little first amendments into
their constitution or magna carta or whatever they have up there. "
A) I think talking about how christians and masons and Buddhists are tools of
Satan is hateful
B) Fundementalist Christians are very hateful
C) They have plenty of free speech in Canada.
Anyway, I think the Chick artist is Alfredo Alcala, one of DC's Phillipine
stable. As an old school third worlder, he'd draw anything.
Basil Wolverton did a think about the Endtimes for those guys at the Plain
Truth, UIAVMM.
Carl Fink
radioGO-SPA...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The JW's are, at least, pacifists. As far as I can tell, the LDS have no
> redeeming social value whatsoever.
That's absurd.
Amy Austin
"Helge Moulding" <hmou...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:a2i3u3$nnf$1...@si05.rsvl.unisys.com...
> Amy Austin wrote,
> > Kim wrote, [citing a story by Adam Fresco],
> > > [woman harrasses JW congregation until police are called]
> > Wow - that was brilliant. I'm impressed.
>
> What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang things up on the
door. For another, it's a steel door. For a third, I just called and had
them take me off the list. I was very nice.
> I
> suppose you don't get the satisfaction of ragging on socially
> unpopular groups (and activities), but it seems to me that it
> avoids a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
*sigh*
> Incidentally, people knocking on your door to bug you about
> stuff ain't about privacy, it's about not being disturbed.
> Privacy is where you keep your name off the mailbox, and keep
> your cash under your mattress. The two concept intersect when
> you become a hermit and develop heavy duty BO.
Wow. You might want to just turn the whole bed around, because at this
point it will be difficult to tell which side is the wrong side.
Or are you a Hovie?
L & k,
Amy
Helge Moulding
> > The JW's are, at least, pacifists. As far as I can tell, the
> > LDS have no redeeming social value whatsoever.
> That's absurd.
Back in first grade one class activity was to tell a story to
the rest of the class. Everyone else had this great story to
tell, except me; it seemed my life was irredeemably mundane. So
I took to telling tall tales, completely oblivious to the fact
that my teacher and the other students tended to believe me.
One particularly horrific story was about a gun battle between
my parents and some Mormon missionaries. My teacher ended up
calling up my parents over that one, only to discover that I
was quite the story teller.
To this day my father thinks that was one of the funniest things
I ever did.
Gary S. Callison
: >: I'd like to study you for my thesis on increasing hostility, and you
: >: could say okay, or if not, you could just say no thank you.
: >You're missing the point.
: I certainly am not.
You seem to be affixing emotions and motivation to me based on a usenet
post, emotions and motivations that I'm telling you do not exist. If
you're so certain you know me better than I know myself, you may have a
point- at least in the alternate universe that _you_ live in...
: > It's not 'increasing hostility' at all,
: In your description, there was YELLING.
Yelling can be funny. "BANG! ZOOM! To the MOON, ALICE!"
: > It's _humor_, albeit a somewhat twisted sort of humor that not a lot
: > of people are going to find quite so funny
: It's just sort of the.. if you had a sign out front, you wouldn't even
: know of them to make up an elaborate joke on them.
Realistically, were I to make such a sign, it would a) be funny, and b)
possibly actually dissuade random religious nuts from disturbing me. But
_A_ is the primary reason. I sometimes enjoy talking with people that I
think are nutty. ...c. ...no, never mind. ;-)
: > as the perpetrator is.
: I think you make the joke upon yourself for building up the Witnesses
: to be worth spending such elaborations of mental and physical effort in
: addition to perhaps weeks or months waiting for the opportunity to
: arise, only to come home from an errand to find they'd already been to
: your house. Some people might be frustrated by that.
Some people? Sure. People who really had a hard-on for being vindictive
towards anyone that would disturb their afternoon. However, I am not one
of those people. Someone rings my doorbell, and I don't feel like
answering? I don't. I don't get upset about it. Sometimes I'll walk over
to a window and look to see who it is, sometimes I'll just keep reading.
Sometimes I actually answer the door. It bothers me not one bit.
See, I think you're missing the obvious point: If you don't want someone
to ring your doorbell- don't have a doorbell. Or put a sign over your
doorbell that says "Press here to electrocute yourself" or something.
Personally, I think such a sign would be pretty funny, and that's why I'd
have one there.
--
Huey
(...of course, it would be funnier if it actually electrocuted people...)
Alan Hamilton
<hmou...@excite.com> wrote:
>What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"? I
>suppose you don't get the satisfaction of ragging on socially
>unpopular groups (and activities), but it seems to me that it
>avoids a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
This generally doesn't work on the JWs, as they don't consider saving
your immortal soul to be "soliciting".
Considering that this person did the exact same thing the JWs do all
the time, it sounds like you're saying "If they do it, they're a
socially unpopular group. If you do it, you're an asshole."
--
/
/ * / Alan Hamilton
* * al...@arizonaroads.com
Scott K Stafford
>
>To this day my father thinks that was one of the funniest things
>I ever did.
He's right, it was terribly amusing.
Scott K Stafford
Date: 1/21/2002 11:24 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>>In article <urep4u0mis9b5b3gs...@4ax.com>,
>>radioGO-SPA...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> The JW's are, at least, pacifists. As far as I can tell, the LDS have no
>>> redeeming social value whatsoever.
>>
>On 22 Jan 2002 02:47:04 GMT, Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>That's absurd.
>
>
>Not at all. I've known enough of them, and have worked with/for enough of
>them,
>to know this.
Right, they..., that's fairly interesting.
> In addition, I have thoroughly read and digested the Book of
>Mormon (burp!),
You can't eat the book and have it too.
> and have seen that it is completely absurd.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss yours."
> It was allegedly
>written by God Himself,
um...
>and yet, it was apparently penned by some character
>with
>very little edjumacation. Very poor use of English, you know.
"if the English language was good enough for our Lord and Savior..."
>And anyone who
>bases their entire belief system on the bullshit found in that book, well
"Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the
overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong
to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles,
the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best
music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions,
their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of
heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet
people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow
manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that
they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."
...
>something's wrong there.
yes, you know, remarkably I was thinking the same thing.
>
>All religions are equal?
""I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and
do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming
feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology."
(that's Thomas Jefferson)
> Nice warm and fuzzy thought. Put a smiley face on
>it,
>and have a bag of chips.
Say...um, does the ability to deep throat your own foot like that impress the
other chorus boys?
> But verily verily I say unto thee, 'taint true.
See, I don't need to hear about your 'taint.
> Some
>religions are complete bullshit ... utter hoaxes.
Please God, kill Geno.
>Well, OK, maybe the LDS have /one/ bit of redeeming social value.
If I were a man who believed in elves, or claimedthat I was a witch, I would
extend a certain courtesy to the people who say the've seen UFOs, or Bigfoot.
>They have
>made
>it a bit easier to research one's genealogy.
Right, and they promote the idea that killing and stealing are bad, people
ought to be hardworking, honest...they rarely engage in wars of conquest or
inquisitions, pogroms, anything like that.
How does all of that make you feel, Helge?
Dutch "Elvis has left the building" Courage
Scott K Stafford
>Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang things up on the
>door. For another, it's a steel door. For a third, I just called and had
>them take me off the list. I was very nice.
::makes note of fact it is possible to gain access to Amy's apartment by
pretending to be afilliated with religious group.
Dutch "skimask" Courage
Amy Austin
"Scott K Stafford" <mutigho...@aol.comPfft> wrote in message
news:20020122032141...@mb-fh.aol.com...
> "Amy Austin" glea...@purdue.edu
> Date: 1/21/2002 10:01 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>
> >Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang things up on
the
> >door. For another, it's a steel door. For a third, I just called and
had
> >them take me off the list. I was very nice.
>
> ::makes note of fact it is possible to gain access to Amy's apartment by
> pretending to be afilliated with religious group.
>
> Dutch "skimask" Courage
You can't see me, but I'm giving you my best teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow
look. Besides... I can't think of any JW's who have ever shown up wearing
skimasks. :)
L & k,
Amy
Mike Muth
On 22-Jan-2002, hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:
[...]
> See, I think you're missing the obvious point: If you don't want someone
> to ring your doorbell- don't have a doorbell. Or put a sign over your
> doorbell that says "Press here to electrocute yourself" or something.
> Personally, I think such a sign would be pretty funny, and that's why I'd
> have one there.
I used to have a sign similar to that. It read "Don't press this doorbell,
you will be electrocuted." People stopped ringing our doorbell until my
parents noticed the sign.
A few years later, a friend had one of those doorbell systems which played a
tape of door chimes. We replaced the tape with the sound of a woman screaming
followed by a gunshot. That was okay until some helpful person called the
police, who thought it not funny at all...
Mike
Carl Fink
In article <dvpp4u0hm1sp82bf3...@4ax.com>,
radioGO-SPA...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Not at all. I've known enough of them, and have worked with/for enough of them,
> to know this. In addition, I have thoroughly read and digested the Book of
> Mormon (burp!), and have seen that it is completely absurd. It was allegedly
> written by God Himself, and yet, it was apparently penned by some character with
> very little edjumacation. Very poor use of English, you know. And anyone who
> bases their entire belief system on the bullshit found in that book, well ...
> something's wrong there.
The Book of Mormon is a well-known fraud, apparently largely stolen
from an neighbor's unfinished novel. Not only is its use of language
terrible, it has utter nonsense for supposedly literal history (like
iron swords in North America contemporary with Jesus).
The leadership of the LDS church seems to know that, as demonstrated
by their reaction to the infamous "Salamander Letter" hoax.
(The language is actually not a flaw -- it is after all ostensibly Joseph
Smith's translation of the famous metal plates, so it would be in his
"voice".)
> All religions are equal? Nice warm and fuzzy thought. Put a smiley face on it,
> and have a bag of chips. But verily verily I say unto thee, 'taint true. Some
> religions are complete bullshit ... utter hoaxes.
I'm utterly nonreligious, and in fact anti-religious. Any religion
with supernatural elements is bullshit, in that it's based on, well,
nothing but words and stories. What has that to do with the price of
eggs? (Note Easter reference.)
> Well, OK, maybe the LDS have /one/ bit of redeeming social value. They have made
> it a bit easier to research one's genealogy.
You don't consider their giving to charity, their patriotism, the
fact that their communities are in general peaceful and low-crime,
etc. to have value, EVEN IF THEIR HOLY BOOK IS NONSENSE?
Kim
"Carl Fink" <ca...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:slrna4qs0h...@panix2.panix.com...
>
> You don't consider their giving to charity, their patriotism, the
> fact that their communities are in general peaceful and low-crime,
> etc. to have value, EVEN IF THEIR HOLY BOOK IS NONSENSE?
I like their commercials.
Kim ~ "Julie through the glass..." anyone remember that one?
Bill Diamond
back on 22 Jan 2002 13:58:41 GMT that ...
>I'm utterly nonreligious, and in fact anti-religious. Any religion
>with supernatural elements is bullshit, in that it's based on, well,
>nothing but words and stories. What has that to do with the price of
>eggs? (Note Easter reference.)
Carl,
Does this mean that Judaism is bullshit because of the Burning Bush or
Daniel's sighting of a UFO?
What about mainstream Xtians? They have people rising from the dead.
Oh yeah, and prophecy. Lots of prophecy.
Islam has the out of body experience in the Night Flight.
Heck, even my second cousin once removed (or something like that)
Edgar Cayce didn't profess to a specific religion, but he sure dreamed
up lots of medical diagnoses.
I'm perplexed. It seems pretty darned hard to have a religion without
any supernatural elements. I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
"rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
Bill
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Asterbark
>Good old Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in alt.fan.cecil-adams
>back on 22 Jan 2002 13:58:41 GMT that ...
>>I'm utterly nonreligious, and in fact anti-religious. Any religion
>>with supernatural elements is bullshit, in that it's based on, well,
>>nothing but words and stories. What has that to do with the price of
>>eggs? (Note Easter reference.)
>
>
>Carl,
>Does this mean that Judaism is bullshit because of the Burning Bush or
>Daniel's sighting of a UFO?
>
>What about mainstream Xtians? They have people rising from the dead.
>Oh yeah, and prophecy. Lots of prophecy.
>
>Islam has the out of body experience in the Night Flight.
>
>Heck, even my second cousin once removed (or something like that)
>Edgar Cayce didn't profess to a specific religion, but he sure dreamed
>up lots of medical diagnoses.
>
>I'm perplexed. It seems pretty darned hard to have a religion without
>any supernatural elements.
You catch on quick.
I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
>people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
>"rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
Or go shopping.
Bill Diamond
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 22 Jan 2002 14:54:40 GMT that ...
> I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
>>people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
>>"rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
>
>
>
>Or go shopping.
Ooh. Now there's a religion I can get behind. Way behind.
Can I worship the Mall God via the internet?
Michael
>
> Good old aste...@aol.comeffu (Asterbark) wrote in
> alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 22 Jan 2002 14:54:40 GMT that ...
> > I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
> >>people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
> >>"rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
> >
> >
> >
> >Or go shopping.
>
> Ooh. Now there's a religion I can get behind. Way behind.
> Can I worship the Mall God via the internet?
My wife does.
> Bill
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Boron Elgar
<bi...@nospambilldiamond.com> wrote:
>Good old aste...@aol.comeffu (Asterbark) wrote in
>alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 22 Jan 2002 14:54:40 GMT that ...
>> I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
>>>people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
>>>"rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
>>
>>
>>
>>Or go shopping.
>
>
>Ooh. Now there's a religion I can get behind. Way behind.
>Can I worship the Mall God via the internet?
>
>Bill
Bill, the Mall God is one with the internet and is especially pleased
to receive prayers via secure server. Broadband and Visa preferred.
Boron
Bill Diamond
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:48:08 -0500 that ...
What a relief. Why do I have this nagging suspicion that shopping at
Wal*Mart and KMart's web sites is a mortal sin?
Carl Fink
wrote:
> Does this mean that Judaism is bullshit because of the Burning Bush or
> Daniel's sighting of a UFO?
If you believe that literally, yes.
> What about mainstream Xtians? They have people rising from the
> dead. Oh yeah, and prophecy. Lots of prophecy.
If you believe that literally, yes.
> Islam has the out of body experience in the Night Flight.
<chorus>
> I'm perplexed. It seems pretty darned hard to have a religion without
> any supernatural elements. I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
> people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
> "rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
And you didn't read where I posted about being "antireligious",
right?
Boron Elgar
<bi...@nospambilldiamond.com> wrote:
>Good old Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote in
>
>>>>
>>>>Or go shopping.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ooh. Now there's a religion I can get behind. Way behind.
>>>Can I worship the Mall God via the internet?
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>>Bill, the Mall God is one with the internet and is especially pleased
>>to receive prayers via secure server. Broadband and Visa preferred.
>>
>>Boron
>
>
>What a relief. Why do I have this nagging suspicion that shopping at
>Wal*Mart and KMart's web sites is a mortal sin?
>
>Bill
>
And one for which no penance is adequate.
Boron
(Actually, I have been in both stores, but I draw the line at internet
KMart & WallyWorld.
Bill Diamond
>In article <s7uq4ucvkpngf28b5...@4ax.com>, Bill Diamond
>wrote:
>
>> Does this mean that Judaism is bullshit because of the Burning Bush or
>> Daniel's sighting of a UFO?
>
>If you believe that literally, yes.
>
>> What about mainstream Xtians? They have people rising from the
>> dead. Oh yeah, and prophecy. Lots of prophecy.
>
>If you believe that literally, yes.
>
>> Islam has the out of body experience in the Night Flight.
>
><chorus>
>
>> I'm perplexed. It seems pretty darned hard to have a religion without
>> any supernatural elements. I mean, otherwise you've got a bunch of
>> people with nothing to do on a Sunday morning yakking about how it's a
>> "rebuilding year" for the local sports franchise.
>
>And you didn't read where I posted about being "antireligious",
>right?
I read it; I just don't think I'm getting it.
(please, no motto nominations).
Lots42
>You don't consider their giving to charity, their patriotism, the
>fact that their communities are in general peaceful and low-crime,
Except for the rampant inbreeding.
>etc. to have value, EVEN IF THEIR HOLY BOOK IS NONSENSE?
It is nonsense. Rather give to a non-denominational charity first.
--
When life gives you a lemon, pull a knife and impale it on the table.
-Read comic books. They won't bite. You just might enjoy one. -
Proud member of the 'He-Man Child-Hater's Club'.
-http://www.livejournal.com/users/lots42/ -] Oprah Call Dave
Lots42
>What a relief. Why do I have this nagging suspicion that shopping at
>Wal*Mart and KMart's web sites is a mortal sin?
>
Do you really have to ask? Have you gone to their websites?
Helge Moulding
> > What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
> Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang
> things up on the door.
Talk to your landlord about keeping solicitors off the property.
> For another, it's a steel door.
Use glue. It'll clean off when you move.
> For a third, I just called and had them take me off the list.
There you go.
> Wow. You might want to just turn the whole bed around, because
> at this point it will be difficult to tell which side is the
> wrong side.
One of us has to work on their communications skills, here, Amy.
I've read that sentence a dozen times, still can't figure out
what you mean. Help?
> Or are you a Hovie?
Nah, just someone who got tired of "how I ragged on JW
missionaries by dressing up as a Satanist and waving a blood
spattered cleaver" type stories years ago.
Scott K Stafford
Date: 1/22/2002 4:01 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>>From: Carl Fink ca...@panix.com
>
>>You don't consider their giving to charity, their patriotism, the
>>fact that their communities are in general peaceful and low-crime,
>
>Except for the rampant inbreeding.
That's fine talk from a man whose family tree is more of a wreath. No wonder
you hate children.
Helge Moulding
> I'm giving you my best teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow look.
If you learn anything from this group, it should be that some
people are completely impervious to the teacher-with-a-raised-
eyebrow look.
Amy Austin
> Amy Austin wrote,
> > > What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
> > Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang
> > things up on the door.
>
> Talk to your landlord about keeping solicitors off the property.
I don't live in an apartment complex.
> > For another, it's a steel door.
>
> Use glue. It'll clean off when you move.
No.
> > For a third, I just called and had them take me off the list.
>
> There you go.
Thank you so much for your approval.
> > Wow. You might want to just turn the whole bed around, because
> > at this point it will be difficult to tell which side is the
> > wrong side.
>
> One of us has to work on their communications skills, here, Amy.
> I've read that sentence a dozen times, still can't figure out
> what you mean. Help?
Ever heard the phrase, "You woke up on the wrong side of the bed,"?
> > Or are you a Hovie?
>
> Nah, just someone who got tired of "how I ragged on JW
> missionaries by dressing up as a Satanist and waving a blood
> spattered cleaver" type stories years ago.
Gosh, then, it's funny that you chose to bag on *me* when *I* am the one who
nicely and politely telephoned the JW's and asked them to please stop
wasting my time and theirs. I mean, if you're going to bag on someone for
not observing Be Kind to Hovies Day, why not aim a little closer to someone
who was actually suggesting such things?
E-mail me for names.
L & k,
Amy (I expect that they will be going by "Hovies" in a few years, it's very
hip and trendy)
Amy Austin
> Amy Austin wrote,
> > I'm giving you my best teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow look.
>
> If you learn anything from this group, it should be that some
> people are completely impervious to the teacher-with-a-raised-
> eyebrow look.
I don't come hear to learn, I'm waiting for the free beer that I was
promised.
L & k,
Amy
Helge Moulding
> How does all of that [Geno's anti-Mormon rant] make you feel,
> Helge?
Well, I already know that Geno can be full of shit, so that's no
news. Apart from that I know that Mormons are no better or worse
than most other groups of people - Catholics, Lutherans, Jews,
Muslims, Shriners, what have you. Even Jehova's Witnesses. To the
extent that they proselytize, they are marginally more annoying
than religions or vacuum cleaner retailers who don't go door to
door, but only very marginally. I worry more about people who
allow themselves to be excessively annoyed by solicitors than
about the solicitors themselves. Anti-social gits, some of them.
I'll add that for about ten years or so I was LDS. Sorta grew out
of it, but it gave me the opportunity to observe that they ain't
militant (except to the extent that they're highly patriotic) or
evil; they don't eat babies, and they don't preach that all other
faiths will go to hell.
Mormons mean that Utah is a fairly conservative place - about as
conservative as, say, Georgia, where Baptists rule. (Though
Georgia is apparently not nearly as bad as the Carolinas, or even
Alabama or Mississippi.) It can be aggravating for a liberal like
me to deal with, but I've learned to live with it. And occasionally
my neighbors surprise me - even shame me - like when I thought no
one else would show up to help the Centro de Vivo Christe (?) build
their chapel, and then all these militant Mormons showed up to help
these Mexican Gentiles build a church.
MeadowMan2
>I don't come hear to learn, I'm waiting for the free beer that I was
>promised.
But its only free after you buy the first round. And we are still waiting.
TR
StarChaser_Tyger
<hmou...@excite.com>,
> Amy Austin wrote,
> > Kim wrote, [citing a story by Adam Fresco],
> > > [woman harrasses JW congregation until police are called]
> > Wow - that was brilliant. I'm impressed.
>
> What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
Aside from the fact that it doesn't work, you mean? I once overheard
someone say that they ignore those signs because they're not trying to
sell anything, they're trying to save someone.
>I
> suppose you don't get the satisfaction of ragging on socially
> unpopular groups (and activities), but it seems to me that it
> avoids a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
If it worked...
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<aye...@REMOVETHIScolgatealumni.org>,
> "Amy Austin" <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote in message
> news:a2f6vh$10mol8$1...@ID-120985.news.dfncis.de...
> > The second guy asked me why I was uninterested. I explained that I and my
> > family have been Methodists forever, going back at least 4 generations. I
> > also explained that I disagree with their stance on birthdays and holidays
> > (I believe that God loves us and wants us to be happy, and that
> celebrations
> > are a part of that)... and that I disagree with their stance on blood
> > transfusion (I believe that God has given us medical knowledge as a gift,
> > and that there's nothing wrong with using it so long as it is used
> > responsibly, etc.) and he was very very nice. He responded briefly to my
> > concerns, without explaining why JW's believe differently, and promised to
> > remove my address from the list.
>
> While this was very nice of you to explain, the correct answer to the
> question of why you were uninterested is:
>
> "None of your business."
No, it actually was his business. It was a reasonable question, too.
She didn't have to answer it, but it wasn't unreasonable...
Bill Diamond
back on 22 Jan 2002 21:02:19 GMT that ...
Certainly not! I have standards. They might be low, but dadgumit,
I've got some!
Bill Diamond
>>From: Carl Fink ca...@panix.com
>
>>You don't consider their giving to charity, their patriotism, the
>>fact that their communities are in general peaceful and low-crime,
>
>Except for the rampant inbreeding.
Have you been to Arkansas or West Virgnia? Tons of inbreeding there,
and barely a Mormon in sight.
From what I've seen of Utahan Men, they're .... scrumptious. Sorry,
but I don't think I've seen any inbreds that could be described as
scrummy.
I can only post that either (a) Mormons do not inbreed or (b) God
approves of whatever they do because they're the most fabulously
handsome men around.
Hey is this a potential thread merge to ugly villains?
Scott K Stafford
>Amy Austin wrote,
>> I'm giving you my best teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow look.
>
>If you learn anything from this group, it should be that some
>people are completely impervious to the teacher-with-a-raised-
>eyebrow look.
And me, it just gets me hot!
Amy Austin
"Scratchie" <Agitat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:H8l38.600$jl3....@news.shore.net...
> Amy Austin <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> : You can't see me, but I'm giving you my best
teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow
> : look.
>
> Is this what you mean by "edgy"?
No, but thank you for playing.
Amy Austin
"MeadowMan2" <meado...@aol.commonsense> wrote in message
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I bought the peanuts!
L & k,
Amy
Amy Austin
"Scott K Stafford" <mutigho...@aol.comPfft> wrote in message
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> Helge Moulding" hmou...@excite.com
> Date: 1/22/2002 4:14 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>
> >Amy Austin wrote,
> >> I'm giving you my best teacher-with-a-raised-eyebrow look.
> >
> >If you learn anything from this group, it should be that some
> >people are completely impervious to the teacher-with-a-raised-
> >eyebrow look.
>
> And me, it just gets me hot!
I would like for Connie to take notes here, please.
Now, if I were to say, "You're so bad..." or "Well, that's why I do it of
course!" or even "Tell me more..." here, that would be flirting. Instead,
I'm just going to breeze quietly by...
I think there's a book on the subject, if you're interested...
L & k,
Amy
StarChaser_Tyger
<hmou...@excite.com>,
> Amy Austin wrote,
> > > What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
> > Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang
> > things up on the door.
>
> Talk to your landlord about keeping solicitors off the property.
>
> > For another, it's a steel door.
>
> Use glue. It'll clean off when you move.
Or magnets.
> > Wow. You might want to just turn the whole bed around, because
> > at this point it will be difficult to tell which side is the
> > wrong side.
>
> One of us has to work on their communications skills, here, Amy.
> I've read that sentence a dozen times, still can't figure out
> what you mean. Help?
'Wrong side of the bed', as in 'you got out of the wrong side of the
bed, so you might want to turn the whole bed around'.
> > Or are you a Hovie?
>
> Nah, just someone who got tired of "how I ragged on JW
> missionaries by dressing up as a Satanist and waving a blood
> spattered cleaver" type stories years ago.
I didn't do it on purpose, it was polishing compound.
Helge Moulding
> Ever heard the phrase, "You woke up on the wrong side of the bed,"?
Yup. It means "you appear to be bad tempered." What did you mean
by your use of the metaphore?
: Wow. You might want to just turn the whole bed around, because
: at this point it will be difficult to tell which side is the
: wrong side.
Still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
> it's funny that you chose to bag on *me* when *I* am the one who
> nicely and politely telephoned the JW's
Well, after congratulating someone else for being pointlessly
obnoxious, sure.
Helge Moulding
> [Geno wrote]
> > Except for the [Mormon's] rampant inbreeding.
> Have you been to Arkansas or West Virgnia? Tons of inbreeding
> there, and barely a Mormon in sight.
Indeed. You don't need Mormons to find places where everyone is
everyone else's first cousin.
Mormons do (did) have very large families. That means that most
3rd or earlier generation Utah Mormons probably find that they
are related to most other Mormons whose families have been here
that long. That's particularly true for our smaller communities,
like LaVerkin (read about their courageous stand against the UN's
black helicopters), or Virgin (where every citizen is required
to be armed).
But I wouldn't call that rampant inbreeding. There's a law
against that here, for one thing. It was modified recently to
allow first cousins to marry, but only if they were past their
child rearing age.
Now, elsewhere in the world, I don't know. Mormons - particularly
recently converted ones - tend to look for other Mormons to marry.
(I suspect that's true for converts to any faith.) In very small
Mormon congregations that can be a problem. Some of the wealthier
ones send their kids to BYU or Rick's College to meet a spouse.
And the church sponsors regional Youth Conferences. That sort of
thing. So mostly the charge of rampant inbreeding seems to be a
delusion spawned by a fevered mind. Someone needs to get Geno to
keep on his meds.
Helge Moulding
> Every last LDS man and woman [I've known] was a fucking twit
> in one way or another, and I believe it was their religion
> that made them that way.
Shoot dang, Geno, you hang out with an awful crowd. I don't know
that many fucking twits, not to mention fucking twits of a
particular religion. Maybe it's not the Mormons, after all?
kay w
>What a relief. Why do I have this nagging suspicion that shopping at
>Wal*Mart and KMart's web sites is a mortal sin?
And did you see that today KMart filed for (is it "filed" or "filed for"?)
Chapter 11?
Will they all close now?
--
kay w
Address munged. AOL isn't necessarily comatose, evidence to the contrary not
withstanding.
kay w
>Heck, even my second cousin once removed (or something like that)
>Edgar Cayce didn't profess to a specific religion, but he sure dreamed
>up lots of medical diagnoses.
Is he really? Did you ever meet any of the family? Are they still in
Virginia? (VIrginia Beach?)
I always thought it would be interesting to write a screenplay (as though I'd
know how) about his life, and then make a movie from it with Gary Sinise (as
though I'd know how.)
ctc...@hotmail.com
>
> I used to have a sign similar to that. It read "Don't press this
> doorbell, you will be electrocuted." People stopped ringing our doorbell
> until my parents noticed the sign.
>
> A few years later, a friend had one of those doorbell systems which
> played a tape of door chimes. We replaced the tape with the sound of a
> woman screaming followed by a gunshot. That was okay until some helpful
> person called the police, who thought it not funny at all...
We had a opened bear-trap hung on the wall, with the door-bell push
button mounted on the bait/trigger thingy.
Xho
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>Previously, Bill said, in part:
>
>>What a relief. Why do I have this nagging suspicion that shopping at
>>Wal*Mart and KMart's web sites is a mortal sin?
>
>And did you see that today KMart filed for (is it "filed" or "filed for"?)
>Chapter 11?
>Will they all close now?
By April, several hundred will close, but that leave maybe 1800
intact. At least that is what Kmart is releasing as info now. They
also state they will come out of Chap 11 early next year, but many
experts do not hold out much hope of success, saying that the economy
being what it is now, along with the corporate structure/management of
Kmart will make it difficult for it to work.
Boron
Bill Diamond
back on 23 Jan 2002 01:14:50 GMT that ...
>Previously, Bill said, in part:
>
>>Heck, even my second cousin once removed (or something like that)
>>Edgar Cayce didn't profess to a specific religion, but he sure dreamed
>>up lots of medical diagnoses.
>
>Is he really? Did you ever meet any of the family? Are they still in
>Virginia? (VIrginia Beach?)
>
>I always thought it would be interesting to write a screenplay (as though I'd
>know how) about his life, and then make a movie from it with Gary Sinise (as
>though I'd know how.)
Actually, they were all in Powderly, Kentucky in the early days His
relatives established the Institute in Virginia Beach later on. It's
quite lovely. If you wonder why they didn't build it in Powderly,
well - it's only about 20 people in the whole town.
My one summer there was frightening. To pick apples, you took a
scythe. Not for the apples, but to kill the snakes in the trees.
kay w
Bill:
>>>Edgar Cayce
Me(kay):
>>Is he really? Did you ever meet any of the family? Are they still in
>>Virginia? (VIrginia Beach?)
Bill:
>Actually, they were all in Powderly, Kentucky in the early days His
>relatives established the Institute in Virginia Beach later on. It's
>quite lovely. If you wonder why they didn't build it in Powderly,
>well - it's only about 20 people in the whole town.
>My one summer there was frightening. To pick apples, you took a
>scythe. Not for the apples, but to kill the snakes in the trees.
And Selma, too. With the photography shop.
Scott K Stafford
Date: 1/22/2002 7:35 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sorry I don't go along with your usual twinkster
>opinions
>on everything.
Twinkster?
Bob Ward
<hmou...@excite.com> wrote:
>-:Amy Austin wrote,
>-:> > What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
>-:> Well, for one thing, we rent, and we're not allowed to hang
>-:> things up on the door.
>-:
>-:Talk to your landlord about keeping solicitors off the property.
>-:
>-:> For another, it's a steel door.
>-:
>-:Use glue. It'll clean off when you move.
Better yet, buy a package of the magnetic sign material for inkjet
printers, and print one that says whatever you like.
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<radioGO-SPA...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Gotta admit, though, some of the men I saw in SLC did look pretty hot in
their
> jeans while clad in their special Mormon underwear beneath the denim
where can i get some o that stuff?
mike (aka socalmike)
"Boron Elgar" <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote in message
news:sj3s4u0a1qfstvtps...@4ax.com...
thats what they get for not taking back a waxer i got as an x-mas present.
they suuuuuuck donkey!
>
> Boron
>
Amy Austin
"Bob Ward" <bob....@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:n5ds4ughbqhslbrks...@4ax.com...
Or how about if I just call them and ask them to quit coming?
L & k,
Amy
Michael
> : look.
>
As a rebellious student (high school only), there was nothing better
than an "edgy" teacher. RED MEAT!
> --Art
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If one doesn't work, well...
Bill Diamond
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:33:42 -0500 that ...
>> printers, and print one that says whatever you like.
>
>Or how about if I just call them and ask them to quit coming?
>
>L & k,
>Amy
>
Answering the door naked works really well too.
Michael
>
> Good old "Amy Austin" <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote in
> alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:33:42 -0500 that ...
> >
> >"Bob Ward" <bob....@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:n5ds4ughbqhslbrks...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> Better yet, buy a package of the magnetic sign material for inkjet
> >> printers, and print one that says whatever you like.
> >
> >Or how about if I just call them and ask them to quit coming?
> >
> >L & k,
> >Amy
> >
>
> Answering the door naked works really well too.
Bill, you prolly answer the nekked for the pizza guy...
> Bill
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Margaret Kane
"StarChaser_Tyger" <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:46qr4ucbjn1vo8229...@4ax.com...> > > Kim wrote, [citing a story by Adam Fresco],
> > > > [woman harrasses JW congregation until police are called]
> > > Wow - that was brilliant. I'm impressed.
> >
> > What's wrong with a sign that says "No Soliciting, Please"?
>
> someone say that they ignore those signs because they're not trying to
> sell anything, they're trying to save someone.
> <snip>
I'm starting to get a complex. Never in my entire life have any religious
solicitors come to my door. The closest I ever came was in college when some
Lubavitchers tried to give me a menorah as I was walking through campus one
day.
Margaret "heathen" Kane Schoen
Carl Fink
wrote:
> My one summer there was frightening. To pick apples, you took a
> scythe. Not for the apples, but to kill the snakes in the trees.
Why would you kill snakes? Do you *like* vermin in your orchard?
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