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Francis Quarles

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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I notice with much amusement that in AFU there are the same --ever
the SAME-- "thought police" regulars who rush in to intercept
posts which intrude into problematical areas which they do not
allow posting about: namely, urban folklore which focuses on jews,
jewish perpetration of crimes, etc. Gee...I wonder why the ever
ready call for "doe snot" when a favored ox is being gored, a
reality to that group deemed unseasonable?

Thank heavens, the jews and other (possible?) conspirators
who rightly SHOULD be a subject for AFU are given a complete
pass by AFU's "thought monitors". That way, such "untoward"
and unsavory urban legends as "Jewish Ritual Murder", "kosher
food ripoffs", and other scams can necessarily be completely
eliminated from overview by 99% of the NG --as editted out
by that same 1% of "helpful thought police".


Steve Jones

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Francis/Frances Quarles wrote: <nothing memorable>

302.85 Gender Identity Disorder

The diagnostic criteria for adults and adolescents [APA94] are:

A. A strong and persistent cross-gender identification (not merely
a desire for any
perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex). In
adolescents and adults,
the disturbance is manifested by symptoms such as a stated desire
to be the other
sex, frequent passing as the other sex, desire to live or be
treated as the other sex,
or the conviction that he or she has the typical feelings and
reactions of the other
sex.
B. Persistent discomfort with his or her sex or sense of
inappropriateness in the
gender role of that sex. In adolescents and adults, the disturbance
is manifested by
symptoms such as preoccupation with getting rid of primary and
secondary sex
characteristics (e.g., request for hormones, surgery, or other
procedures to
physically alter sexual characteristics to simulate the other sex)
or belief that he or
she was born the wrong sex.
C. The disturbance is not concurrent with a physical intersex
condition.
D. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or
impairment in social,
occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Specify if (for sexually mature individuals) Sexually Attracted to
Males, ...
Females,... Both, ... Neither.

The clinical significant criterion, D, was added to all conditions in
the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders section. The definition of
"distress or impairment" lies at the heart of the issue of
pathologization of gender expression.

Meredith Robbins

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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"Francis Quarles" wrote:
<crap>

Why don't we discuss "problematical areas"? Because it attracts idiots
like you.

Meredith "'Nuff said" Robbins

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with Switzerland." --Lloyd Rose

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yu...@bgs.com

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In article <368A4C...@nospam.com>,

automount(1M) Maintenance Commands automount(1M)

NAME
automount - install automatic mount points

SYNOPSIS
/usr/sbin/automount [ -t duration ] [ -v ]

AVAILABILITY
SUNWcsu

DESCRIPTION
automount is a command that installs autofs mount points and
associates an automount map with each mount point. The
autofs filesystem monitors attempts to access directories
within it and notifies the automountd(1M) daemon. The dae-
mon uses the map to locate a filesystem, which it then
mounts at the point of reference within the autofs filesys-
tem. You can assign a map to an autofs mount using an entry
in the /etc/auto_master map or a direct map.

If the file system is not accessed within an appropriate
interval (five minutes by default), the automountd daemon
unmounts the file system.

The file /etc/auto_master determines the locations of all
autofs mount points. By default, this file contains four
entries:

# Master map for automounter
#
+auto_master
/net -hosts -nosuid
/home auto_home
/xfn -xfn

The +auto_master entry is a reference to an external NIS or
NIS+ master map. If one exists, then its entries are read
as if they occurred in place of the +auto_master entry. The
remaining entries in the master file specify a directory on
which an autofs mount will be made followed by the auto-
mounter map to be associated with it. Optional mount
options may be supplied as an optional third field in the
each entry. These options are used for any entries in the
map that do not specify mount options explicitly. The auto-
mount command is usually run without arguments. It compares
the entries /etc/auto_master with the current list of autofs
mounts in /etc/mnttab and adds, removes or updates autofs
mounts to bring the /etc/mnttab up to date with the
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Paul Tomblin

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For trn users:

/q...@nospam.com/f:j

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Merry Christmas to all, I have traffic in sight" - Phyllis Moses

Brian Yeoh

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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Francis Quarles wrote:

<indicator that troll is annoyed at not sparking more activity on
newsgroup and therefore intends to stir up resentment of doe snot>

Brian "doe snot care" Yeoh


Emily Harrison Kelly

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In article <Pine.GSO.3.95qL.98123...@fozimane.cc.columbia.edu>,

Brian Yeoh <lb...@columbia.edu> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Francis Quarles wrote:

Interestingly, in the other screed from yesterday it was "Frances". You'd
think that if someone's going to go to the trouble of coming up with a fake
name, they'd at least figure out how they want to spell it. Ah well, maybe
it's an equal gender distribution thing.

><indicator that troll is annoyed at not sparking more activity on
>newsgroup and therefore intends to stir up resentment of doe snot>

Meanwhile, the abuse address at Earthlink is ab...@corp.earthlink.net and
at UUNET is spam-co...@uu.net .

Emily "go to town, folks" Kelly
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Emily Harrison Kelly "<twirl! pirouette!! *wa-hoo*!!!> :-):-)"
eke...@world.std.com --Lee Rudolph, AFU

For the AFU FAQ: http://www.urbanlegends.com/afu.faq/

Jim Everman

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Francis Quarles wrote:

< nothing worth repeating >

"Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)

--
Jim Everman mailto:eve...@Anet-STL.com
http://www.Anet-STL.com/~everman/

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by
stupidity.


Ad absurdum per aspera

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WHITE-BREASTED NUTHATCH Sitta carolinensis M286
5-6" (13-15 cm). Nuthatches climb down trees _headfirst_. This, the
most familiar species, is known by its black cap and beady eye on a
white face. The undertail coverts are chestnut.
Voice: Song, a rapid series of low, nasal, whistled tones on one pitch:
_whi, whi, whi, whi, whi, whi_ or _who who, who_, etc. Note, a nasal
_yank_; also a nasal _tootoo_.

-Roger Tory Peterson, _A Field Guide to Western Birds_, 3rd edition,
Boston: Houghton Mifflin (1990), p. 262, just above the entry for
CREEPERS.


Lord Jubjub

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In article <368A4C...@nospam.com>, q...@nospam.com wrote:

<thoughts on "thought police">

Well, because they're not urban legends. They are extreme beliefs held
only by people who don't have any interest in being convinced otherwise.
Why waste bandwidth?
--
Lord Jubjub, Ruler of the Jabbewocky

Chris W.

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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Francis Quarles got his squibbly stuck where it didn't belong <snip>


I'll get a world record for this.

Let me reach in and get your watch out of the printing press.

Hey, there's no handles inside these car doors!

Gee, that's a cute tattoo.

Here's my Kent State student ID.

It's fireproof.

He's probably just hibernating.

What does this button do?

I'm making a citizen's arrest.

Can we get a vision plan?

So, you're a cannibal.

It's probably just a rash.

Why am I standing on a plastic sheet?

Are you sure the power is off?

Yeah, I made the deciding vote on the jury, so what of it?

No, my shoes aren't untied.

The odds of that happening have to be a million to one!

What do you mean, "I'll be back"?

Why is the rest of the Star Trek landing party wearing a different
color?

Pull the pin and count to what?

Which wire was I supposed to cut?

I wonder where the mother bear is.

I've seen this done on TV.

These are the good kind of mushrooms.

I'll hold it and you light the fuse.

What's that priest doing here?

You look just like Charles Manson.

Let it down slowly.

Rat poison only kills rats.

OK, I'll go ahead and make your day.

It can't possibly rain for forty days and nights.

Madeleine Page

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Paul Tomblin <ptom...@canoe.xcski.com> wrote:

: For trn users:

: /q...@nospam.com/f:j

For tin users:

"]" while at one of the offending articles. (Omit quotes).

Or, if you've configured it so that kills threads rather than individual
authors, "[control] K" will do the trick, albeit slightly more slowly.


Meredith Robbins

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<donal...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

> I have always found it amusing that religions founded on prinicples such as
> 'love' and 'forgivness' frequently produce the most unforgiving bigots.

Religion=not okay on AFU.

Meredith "thanks" Robbins

Paul Tomblin

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In a previous article, hben...@csun1.csun.edu (Barbara Mikkelson) said:
>The ultimate fruitcake recipe follows:

Barbara, I don't think you get this "doe snot" principle. You're not supposed
to follow up in kind.... Oh wait. Never mind.

Kennedy

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Jim Everman wrote:
>
> Francis Quarles wrote:
>
> < nothing worth repeating >
>
> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ahem. Roger Rabbit.

-K. "Anyone else have the Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck theme going in their
head?"

--
Kaneda Å• c (Kennedy)
wylde...@earthlink.net
UIN:6801093


Toniela Dawkins

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Frances Quarles wrote,

Israel Refuses To Extradite Jewish Polish War Criminal

Dateline: Warsaw, Poland --The State of Israel refused today to
extradite a Jewish criminal who is charged with a series of
horrific atrocities against German prisoners after WW II.

Solomon "Ritual Murderer Solly" Morel, was Commandant of a camp
of German prisoners in southern Poland. "Ritual Murderer Solly"
stands accused of torturing Christian inmates and is believed
responsible for the torture deaths of 1,538 White inmates. Morel
allegedly commanded the Concentration Camp "strictly by the Talmud"
which prescribes ritual abuse and murder for white Christians.

Poland requested Morel's extradition in April on charges of beating
and torturing prisoners and inhuman conditions at the Swietochlowice
Concentration Camp, which Morel headed from February to November 1945.

Israel refused the request last month, saying the statute of
limitations
surely must have run out on the case. A spokesman for the Mossad, of
which Morel is now an active member, stated that the charges against
"Ritual Murderer Solly" Morel failed to meet the definition of
genocide under Israeli law.

It is widely speculated that "the Jewish definition of genocide"
pre-empts the prosecution of Jews and Israelis for crimes against
White persons --particularly Christians. Their own Talmud proscribing
a historical pattern of unrelenting assaults on whites and Christians.

Israel is believed, currently, to be concealing several thousands of
Jewish war criminals --so many of these in fact the "founders of
Israel". Most all of the founders of Israel being active collaborators
with Nazi Germany's Adolph Eichmann. The Kastner "collaboration
trials" of the late 1950's decided the complicity of these "fathers
of Israel". After Kastner implicated Ben Gurion and other Israeli
leaders, he was assassinated by Israel's Mossad, a secret police
similar to the Gestapo.

At the close of WW II, as many as one million German soldiers died
in the hands of the Allied forces in "detention camps". Reports are
that many of these --usually Christian-- Germans were tortured and
murdered by rogue Jewish elements.

Gee...you know I actually took 10 seconds to click over and
check recent AP news releases and see that this is actually
TRUE. The terrorist state styling itself "israel" claims
immunity for its mass murderers. One would have reasoned that
a NG whose mission is to explore the boundaries and realities
of urban legends would have had at least ONE other poster who
bothers to check posts for accuracy. Amazingly though, when
posts wander far afield of "politically correct" themes,
then intellectual shutdown takes over and the herd mentality
calls for institutional NG denial of fact. More's the pity...


donal...@my-dejanews.com

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> Thank heavens, the jews and other (possible?) conspirators
> who rightly

I have always found it amusing that religions founded on prinicples such as


'love' and 'forgivness' frequently produce the most unforgiving bigots.

On Christmas Eve I attended a wonderful carol service at my local church, not
two days later I saw a man who told me I'd burn in Hell because I did not
believe that the Bible contains 'proof' that Great Britain and the Arabs are
fighting a secret war.

Graham

Mike Holmans

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donal...@my-dejanews.com felt like drivelling about religion.

And we'd rather he didn't.

Mike "at least, not here" Holmans
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- Wibble, in alt.folklore.urban


Spnk139045

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>I have always found it amusing that religions founded on prinicples such as
>'love' and 'forgivness' frequently produce the most unforgiving bigots.

Bill Hicks once said he didn't like religions that preached eternal damnation
for anyone who doubts God's infinite love.

Dingo "me too" McPhee

Margaret Lillard

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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:58:45 -0700, Toniela Dawkins
<tonela...@netcorn.com> sez:

>Gee...you know I actually took 10 seconds to click over and
>check recent AP news releases and see that this is actually
>TRUE.

No you didn't.
Go boil your head.

Margaret "Too sick of this shit to even attempt a witty retort"
Lillard


Anthony Breaux

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OK, I had asked a queston and received no reply, so

I had hoped someone else would address this. Last weeks _TV Guide_ (December
19-25) reported:

"After misplacing her cell phone, Rachel Murray dialed the number and heard it
ringing inside her friend's bloodhound, Charlie, who had swallowed it. Murray
then waited for the dog to relieve itself, at which time she recovered the
phone."

My bs detector overloaded. 1. Can a bloodhound pass a cell phone? 2. Can a
cell phone survive the trip? 3. What kind of person, upon suspecting their
pet had swallowed a battery wouldn't take it immedently to the Vet?

I say this is a UL. How say you?

Anthony


Mike Holmans

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Kennedy <wylde...@earthlink.net> felt like saying:

>Jim Everman wrote:
>>
>> Francis Quarles wrote:
>>
>> < nothing worth repeating >
>>
>> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ahem. Roger Rabbit.

Pardon?

Roger Rabbit was merely a pale imitation of the master.

What an imbissle.

Mike "you realise this means what?" Holmans

Madeleine Page

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Toniela Dawkins <tonela...@netcorn.com> writes:

[third time we've seen Francis Quarles' dispiriting drivel]

Yet on men go, from year to year, in this state
of wretched dependence, even when they have all
the means of living within themselves, which is
certainly the happiest state of life that any one can
enjoy. ... The difficulty is to discover what can be
the particular attractions contained in that long and
luminous manuscript, a baker's half-yearly bill.
"Making Bread" from Cobbett's _Cottage Economy_

Madeleine "" Page

Bill Pringle

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Kennedy wrote in message <368AFB...@earthlink.net>...

Jim Everman wrote:
>
> Francis Quarles wrote:
>
> < nothing worth repeating >
>
> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ahem. Roger Rabbit.

Bugs said it first, although I seem to remember it was "What an ultramaroon,
what a gullibull, what a nincowpoop!"

Bill "Looney Toons" Pringle


Madeleine Page

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Spnk139045 <spnk1...@aol.com.com.com> wrote:

:>I have always found it amusing that religions founded on prinicples such as


:>'love' and 'forgivness' frequently produce the most unforgiving bigots.

: Bill Hicks once said he didn't like religions that preached eternal damnation
: for anyone who doubts God's infinite love.

And innumerable afuisti have said that they don't like religious
discussion on this newsgroup. Drop it.

david.w...@ac.com

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In article <368AFB...@earthlink.net>,
Kennedy <wylde...@earthlink.net> pontificated:

>
> > "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ahem. Roger Rabbit.
>

Waitaminnit. Roger may have used it (not sure about that), but Bugs originated
it.

Feast your ears on this: http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/Bugs/Bugs34.wav
and this: http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/Bugs/Bugs29.wav

and just so you know how I feel about it, take
that! - http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/Bugs/Bugs84.wav

Dave "I know Robert Zymeckis's first cousin, honest!" Carroll
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* "Madam, I may be drunk, but BLLEEEAARGH" all over the front of her
* cocktail dress. - Lord Churchill (as retold by D. Barry)
****

David Hatunen

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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In article <368AFB...@earthlink.net>,

Kennedy <wylde...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Jim Everman wrote:
>>
>> Francis Quarles wrote:
>>
>> < nothing worth repeating >
>>
>> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Ahem. Roger Rabbit.

It must be nice to be young, ignorant, and believe the world began
in 1980.

Dave "The world began in 1930" Hatunen

--
********** DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@sonic.net) ***********
* Daly City California: *
* where San Francisco meets The Peninsula *
******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea *******

Chuck

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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:55:41 -0700, Francis Quarles <q...@nospam.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:31:14 -0700, in alt.folklore.urban you wrote:

>Israel Refuses To Extradite Jewish Polish War Criminal

Okay, I'll bite on your heavily-baited hook...and please note, I am
NOT, I assure you, one of the AFU thought police. AAMOF, I read your
diatribe before I saw this article, and at the outset, I agreed, at
least in part, with your assessment.

However, this obvious troll you have posted begs the questions:

"So...the point is?"

and

"Okay, this has *what* to do with urban legends?"

Perhaps anti-anti-semitism is overrepresented in this newsgroup, it
certainly seems so sometimes. (Particularly in light of the
anti-Christian posts that go relatively unmolested.) I am, in fact, a
trained anthropologist (as opposed to the undomesticated or feral
variety, I guess), and am quite against omitting ANY urban legends or
folklore, regardless of who they slander. There are plenty of fairy
tales and lies to go around, we need not jostle one another to get our
turns.

The field of folklore study is not "politically correct;" ie. we're
not in the business of defending or detracting from any one group, we
are in the business of collecting and analyzing myths, legends and
other folklore.

So, the point of my reply is, what was your point in posting your
troll...just to get a negative response? Then why post the rejoinder
to it? Is your goal just to draw the newsgroup into an off-topic
debate? Your story, whether valid or not...I have no opinion of it or
its validity, has virtually nothing to do with urban legends.


--
Chuck
chaz3913[at]yahoo[dot]com
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david.w...@ac.com

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In article <368B12...@netcorn.com>, toneil...@netcorn.com wrote:

I am netcornholio! I need doe snot for my hate hole!

yu...@bgs.com

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In article <76g4ph$4pi$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,

hat...@bolt.sonic.net (David Hatunen) wrote:
> In article <368AFB...@earthlink.net>,
> Kennedy <wylde...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Jim Everman wrote:
> >>
> >> Francis Quarles wrote:
> >>
> >> < nothing worth repeating >
> >>
> >> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Ahem. Roger Rabbit.
>
> It must be nice to be young, ignorant, and believe the world began
> in 1980.

The question though, Dave, is how would someone who saw and presumably
enjoyed Roger Rabbit escape the ubiquitous (at least in the USA) presence of
the Warner Bros. cartoons. I have three children, the youngest born in 1981,
and any one of them would have attributed maroon immediately to Bugs Bunny

Joe "Kill the wabbit" Yuska


>
> Dave "The world began in 1930" Hatunen
>
> --
> ********** DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@sonic.net) ***********
> * Daly City California: *
> * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula *
> ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea *******
>

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Jim Everman

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yu...@bgs.com wrote:
>
> In article <76g4ph$4pi$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,
> hat...@bolt.sonic.net (David Hatunen) wrote:
> > In article <368AFB...@earthlink.net>,
> > Kennedy <wylde...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >Jim Everman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Francis Quarles wrote:
> > >>
> > >> < nothing worth repeating >
> > >>
> > >> "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Ahem. Roger Rabbit.
> >
> > It must be nice to be young, ignorant, and believe the world began
> > in 1980.
>
> The question though, Dave, is how would someone who saw and presumably
> enjoyed Roger Rabbit escape the ubiquitous (at least in the USA) presence of
> the Warner Bros. cartoons. I have three children, the youngest born in 1981,
> and any one of them would have attributed maroon immediately to Bugs Bunny

I dunno about Dave, but I'm frequently amazed at what some of the
"younger generation" have missed. So often in fact, that the Roger
Rabbit thing just caused me to shake my head and go on to the next post.
Is there anything so common that it cannot be overlooked by someone?

Simon Slavin

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In article <368A4C...@nospam.com>,
Francis Quarles <q...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Thank heavens, the jews and other (possible?) conspirators

> who rightly SHOULD be a subject for AFU are given a complete
> pass by AFU's "thought monitors".

Where did you get that from ? The subject was judged to be so
important we span off a special group to handle it, with a name
designed so that everyone else would know where to discuss this
most important subject.

See you over on alt.flame.jews.

Simon.
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<http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk> | modem and time on your hands ?
| -- Richard Casady

Kennedy

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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Jim Everman wrote:
>
> yu...@bgs.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <76g4ph$4pi$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,
> > hat...@bolt.sonic.net (David Hatunen) wrote:
> > > In article <368AFB...@earthlink.net>,
<snipe me making an ass of myself by miscorrecting people regarding
looney toons>

> > > It must be nice to be young, ignorant, and believe the world began
> > > in 1980.
> >
> > The question though, Dave, is how would someone who saw and presumably
> > enjoyed Roger Rabbit escape the ubiquitous (at least in the USA) presence of
> > the Warner Bros. cartoons. I have three children, the youngest born in 1981,
> > and any one of them would have attributed maroon immediately to Bugs Bunny
>
> I dunno about Dave, but I'm frequently amazed at what some of the
> "younger generation" have missed. So often in fact, that the Roger
> Rabbit thing just caused me to shake my head and go on to the next post.
> Is there anything so common that it cannot be overlooked by someone?

Ok, ok, I'm sorry. I can't believe I actually thought that, having
been a fan of the old WB cartoons for a long long time- I caught myself
singing Bugs' "Carrots are so hard to find/ you get a dozen for a dime/
It's maaaa-giiic" bit earlier this week, so why.. The only explaination
I can think of is that I haven't seen the original Looney Toons in
years, while I sat through Who Framed Roger Rabbit about two weeks ago
while keeping an eye on a friend's kids. Not an excuse, I know. I
think I'll go lay down now.
-K. "The 'What's Cookin' Doc' ornament on my tree is mocking me"
Kennedy

Rick Tyler

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On 30 Dec 1998 12:05:33 -0500, ptom...@canoe.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
wrote:

>For trn users:
>
>/q...@nospam.com/f:j

In Agent or FreeAgent you can just click on that little red circle
-with-a-diagnol-slash international "NOT" symbol on the toolbar whilst
viewing the offending message. The thread ceases to exist.

-- Rick "Being bereft of life *and* intelligence" Tyler

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only into the depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian

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Alan Follett

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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wylde...@earthlink.net (Kennedy) rocked the foundations of
civilization by writing:

> Ok, ok, I'm sorry. I can't believe I actually
> thought that, having been a fan of the old
> WB cartoons for a long long time- I caught
> myself singing Bugs' "Carrots are so hard
> to find/ you get a dozen for a dime/ It's

> maaaa-giiic" bit earlier this week, so why...


> The only explaination I can think of is that
> I haven't seen the original Looney Toons
> in years, while I sat through Who Framed
> Roger Rabbit about two weeks ago while
> keeping an eye on a friend's kids. Not an
> excuse, I know. I think I'll go lay down now.

And then, who will ever forget:
"Carrots wait for no one,
So I'm picking them now,
Before they get eaten
By some slobby cow."

Concerning things the Not- So - Younger - Generation doesn't know: so
help me Foghorn J. Leghorn, a friend who I believe implicitly swears up
and down that she encountered this in the late Seventies, from a
then-thirtyish born'n'bred resident of New York City (whom I also
personally knew). The topic had turned to the musical _The Wiz_, and my
friend remarked that it was based on _The Wizard of Oz_. To which the
b'n'b replied, "Oh? What's that?"

Alan "so don't tell me that folks never slip between alternate
universes!" Follett


JDWall5246

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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>I wonder where the mother bear is.

Chris: I often worried about that, spending some time annually in black bear
country, but recently I found my fears were overblown.

Apparently Mama Bear won't get too pissed unless her cubs are perceived by her
to be in real danger. And your presence alone generally doesn't activate that
perception.

By the way, Great List!

JD " Doesn't hurt to watch tho" Wallace

Nick Spalding

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Rick Tyler wrote:

> In Agent or FreeAgent you can just click on that little red circle
> -with-a-diagnol-slash international "NOT" symbol on the toolbar whilst
> viewing the offending message. The thread ceases to exist.

Or press I.
--
Nick Spalding

Phil Edwards

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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More of the same.

The Path and NNTP posting host are no surprise, of course:

>...!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail
>1cust46.tnt1.kcy1.da.uu.net

but I was struck by this:

>From: Toniela Dawkins <tonela...@netcorn.com>
==== === ====
and this:

>Reply-To: toneil...@netcorn.com
==== ===

All this after Francis/Frances Quarles, Carly Devereaux with the
address of corlyde...@netcorn.com and of course Mellissa
(Mell...@carefreee.corn). This is either someone who's being
remarkably careless or someone who wants to be seen through.

Well, Matt: you've been seen through. It was a thoroughly unpleasant
game while it lasted, but now it's over. Goodbye.

Phil "" Edwards
--
Phil Edwards http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/
"Does it help to know that if you don't stay strong, we'll
beat you to a pulp?" - Madeleine Page

snafu

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On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:35:36 GMT, spal...@iol.ie (Nick Spalding) is
alleged to have written:

U? Why U?

snafu

Len Berlind

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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>> > "Whata maroon!" (Bugs Bunny)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Ahem. Roger Rabbit.
>>
>
>Waitaminnit. Roger may have used it (not sure about that), but Bugs originated
>it.

Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang:

"Go on, maroon, get a seat." From the movie 'Buck Privates', 1941.

"Whatta dope! Whatta maroon!" From the BB cartoon 'Hare conditioned',
1945.

L"AFU Labs certifies the above information is WWW-Free."B

Mellissa

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Rick Tyler wrote:

> In Agent or FreeAgent you can just click on that little red circle
> -with-a-diagnol-slash international "NOT" symbol on the toolbar whilst
> viewing the offending message. The thread ceases to exist.

All of which means:

Rick Tyler is very comfortable in his cozy den and ever
amused to read hair-raising tales of BMW's with low grade
paint jobs or Jackson Hole ski lifts that don't lift.
....But, should anyone introduce such an unseasonable
allusion as mass murderers running free, kosher food scams,
or, little children being kidnapped and murdered...then
this really is JUST TOO MUCH for the comfortable Mr.Tyler
to bear.

Another good tip, Mr.Tyler: you can purchase a highly
serviceable pair of blinders at year end savings through
any veterinary supply house. And, please do budget your
best investigative energies in running down that shocking
rumor that they water down the gin at the Savoy Grill.


Jim Everman

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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Mellissa wrote:
>
> All of which means:
>
> Rick Tyler is very comfortable in his cozy den and ever
> amused to read hair-raising tales of BMW's with low grade
> paint jobs or Jackson Hole ski lifts that don't lift.
> ....But, should anyone introduce such an unseasonable

and off topic bullshit (bullshit by virtue of being off topic),
Rick will assist lesser skilled readers on how to avoid these threads
in the future. After all, it *is not* the stated purpose of this group
to discuss your pet peeves. In fact, it *is* stated that the topic you
are trying to discuss is taboo. Can you say "troll"?

> Another good tip, Mr.Tyler:

Check with the net abuse mavens to determine roughly how many times
a person needs to be told the thread they are attempting to start is
off-topic before it becomes a violation of their Terms Of Service (TOS).

> And, please do budget your
> best investigative energies in running down

where the posts are originating, as this information will be required.

I, for one, am getting tired of this assho^Hperson to the point of
starting my own research. I wonder if they give political lectures for
the kiddies at the local child care centers?

Simon Slavin

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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In article <76f90p$f...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
Anthony Breaux <bea...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> "After misplacing her cell phone,
> Rachel Murray dialed the number and heard it
> ringing inside her friend's bloodhound,
> Charlie, who had swallowed it. Murray
> then waited for the dog to relieve itself,
> at which time she recovered the
> phone."
>
> My bs detector overloaded.
> 1. Can a bloodhound pass a cell phone? 2. Can a
> cell phone survive the trip? 3. What kind of person,
> upon suspecting their
> pet had swallowed a battery wouldn't take it immedently to the Vet?
>
> I say this is a UL. How say you?

We agree. And we said so almost a year ago when this was raised
on this group. That time it was based on articles in UK newspapers
which appeared to be passing on a story told to them by a British
family -- mobile phone in present; dog eats phone; they find phone
by ringing it; dog eventually passes phone.

I think we more or less agreed that the family had made up the story.

James Eden

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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Jim Everman wrote:

> will assist lesser skilled readers on how to avoid these threads
> in the future. After all, it *is not* the stated purpose of this group
> to discuss your pet peeves. In fact, it *is* stated that the topic you
> are trying to discuss is taboo.

Can you say "Jim aspires to be a private censor of a nonmoderated
NG and to arrogate as to what is or is not "taboo"." ?

> Check with the net abuse mavens to determine roughly how many times
> a person needs to be told the thread they are attempting to start is

> off-topic...

Once again, our ingenuous poster Everman confuses himself with
the thought police so as to decide a subject as "off topic"
and to "share" his opinions as settled fact.

I do sympathize though with frustrated posters who feel
threatened by subjects that really are "urban legend"
material. So very distressing to be rattled out of one's
safe cocoon of fuzzy thoughts and hazy perceptions of
society.


David DeLaney

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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q...@nospam.com writes:
>I notice with much amusement that in AFU there are the same

Chaos Confetti Artifact 4 Common
4,Tap: Tear ~ into pieces. Throw the pieces onto the playing area from a
distance of at least five feet. Destroy each card in play that a piece
touches. Remove the pieces from the game afterwards.
Clay Pigeon Artifact Creature 3 Uncommon
1/1 Flying 1,Throw ~ into the air at least two feet above your head while
seated,Attempt to catch it with one hand: If you catch ~, prevent all damage
to you from any one source and return ~ to play, tapped. Otherwise, sacrifice
it.
Giant Fan Artifact 4 Rare
2,Tap: Move target counter from one card to another. If the second card's
rules text refers to any type of counters, the moved counter becomes one of
those counters. Otherwise, it becomes a +1/+1 counter.
Jack-in-the-Mox Artifact 0 Rare
Tap: Roll a six-sided die for ~. On a 1, sacrifice ~ and lose 5 life.
Otherwise, ~ has one of the following effects. Treat this ability as a mana
source. 2 -- Add W to your mana pool. 3 -- Add U to your mana pool. 4 -- Add B
to your mana pool. 5 -- Add R to your mana pool. 6 -- Add G to your mana pool.

Dave "learning to fly" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

David DeLaney

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toneil...@netcorn.com writes:
>Frances Quarles wrote,

Jester's Sombrero Artifact 2 Rare
2,Tap,Sacrifice ~: Look through target player's sideboard and remove any three
of those cards from it for the remainder of the match.
Mirror Mirror Artifact tcafitrA 7 Rare
~ comes into play tapped. / 7,Tap,Sacrifice ~: At end of turn, exchange life
totals with target player and exchange all cards in play that you control, and
all cards in your hand, library, and graveyard, with that player until end of
game.
Paper Tiger Artifact Creature 4 Common
4/3 Rock Lobsters cannot attack or block.
Rock Lobster Artifact Creature 4 Common
4/3 Scissors Lizards cannot attack or block.
Scissors Lizard Artifact Creature 4 Common
4/3 Paper Tigers cannot attack or block.

Dave "Good old rock." DeLaney

David DeLaney

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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In article <368D1F...@carefreee.com> mell...@carefreee.com writes:
>Rick Tyler wrote:
>> In Agent or FreeAgent you can just click on that little red circle
>> -with-a-diagnol-slash international "NOT" symbol on the toolbar whilst
>> viewing the offending message. The thread ceases to exist.
>
>All of which means:

Spatula of the Ages Artifact 4 Uncommon
4,Tap,Sacrifice ~: Put into play from your hand any card from an _Unglued_
supplement.
Urza's Contact Lenses Artifact 0 Uncommon
~ comes into play tapped and does not untap during its controller's untap
phase. / All players play with their hands face up. / Clap your hands twice:
Tap or untap ~.
Urza's Science Fair Project Artifact Creature 6 Uncommon
4/4 2: Roll a six-sided die for ~. 1 -- it gets -2/-2 until end of turn. 2 --
It deals no combat damage this turn. 3 -- Attacking does not cause it to tap
this turn. 4 -- It gains first strike until end of turn. 5 -- It gains flying
until end of turn. 6 -- It gets +2/+2 until end of turn.

Dave "pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-QUEEP" DeLaney

Don Whittington

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
In article <368DBC...@elohim.paradisio.net>,
je...@elohim.paradisio.net wrote:

> Jim Everman wrote:
>
> > will assist lesser skilled readers on how to avoid these threads
> > in the future. After all, it *is not* the stated purpose of this group
> > to discuss your pet peeves. In fact, it *is* stated that the topic you
> > are trying to discuss is taboo.
>
> Can you say "Jim aspires to be a private censor of a nonmoderated
> NG and to arrogate as to what is or is not "taboo"." ?

Can you say you are a clueless piece of shit?

>
> > Check with the net abuse mavens to determine roughly how many times
> > a person needs to be told the thread they are attempting to start is
> > off-topic...
>
> Once again, our ingenuous poster Everman confuses himself with
> the thought police so as to decide a subject as "off topic"
> and to "share" his opinions as settled fact.

Once again you are a clueless piece of shit.

>
> I do sympathize though with frustrated posters who feel
> threatened by subjects that really are "urban legend"
> material. So very distressing to be rattled out of one's
> safe cocoon of fuzzy thoughts and hazy perceptions of
> society.

You are a clueless piece of shit.

Don "Holstein of hip-hop" Whittington

--
"Your immune system. Use it or lose it." Mike Sphar

Madeleine Page

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
James Eden <je...@elohim.paradisio.net> wrote:
: Jim Everman wrote:

[more off-topic crap from the same old source, now called James Eden
instead of Mellissa]

Anyone familiar with a Christmas tradition called Snapdragons? My mother
told me of it. Currants, raisins and sultanas are put in a large dish
(there was a particular dish that was The Snapdragon Dish, though we
didn't actually play Snapdragon). Warmed brandy was poured over the dried
fruit, and set alight. The object of the exercise was to grab pieces of
the fruit from the midst of the flames, and to eat them while still
scorching hot.

Madeleine "no Snapdragons, but *wonderful* sugar mice in my Christmas
stocking and friends' stockings thanks to Pete W" Page


Viv

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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James Eden wrote

:Jim Everman wrote:
:
:> will assist lesser skilled readers on how to avoid these threads
:> in the future. After all, it *is not* the stated purpose of this group
:> to discuss your pet peeves. In fact, it *is* stated that the topic you
:> are trying to discuss is taboo.
:
:Can you say "Jim aspires to be a private censor of a nonmoderated
:NG and to arrogate as to what is or is not "taboo"." ?

Can anyone else say "James Eden is an arrogant shit who has not read the FAQ or
the charter, and seems to think that unmoderated means no rules, group culture
or mores that he might be disrupting?"

:> Check with the net abuse mavens to determine roughly how many times


:> a person needs to be told the thread they are attempting to start is
:> off-topic...
:
:Once again, our ingenuous poster Everman confuses himself with
:the thought police so as to decide a subject as "off topic"
:and to "share" his opinions as settled fact.

No - he is not confused - you are. The regulars here have a consensus on the
charter of the froup, and many are self appointed shit-kickers when a pile of
steaming hidebound rhinoceros turd feels that they can pollute a culture that
has its own mores. You haven't read the FAQ have you?

:I do sympathize though with frustrated posters who feel


:threatened by subjects that really are "urban legend"
:material. So very distressing to be rattled out of one's
:safe cocoon of fuzzy thoughts and hazy perceptions of
:society.


The regulars in this group don't want to discuss your sordid little conspiracy
theories. Do you always disregard other people's customs just because you feel
like it? As memorably quoted in the AFU archive (Guides/Frequently Whimpered
Whines)
"Or maybe you're the sort of nincompoop who wears his shoes into a Japanese
house, passes gas in front of the Queen, or offers a Bedouin his left hand to
shake. Just because you want to."

I frequent afu because I like lighthearted trivia seasoned with inconsequential
erudition and garnished with wit. I frequent other newsgroups for discussing
questions of more societal substantiveness, and where religion and politics are
on-charter. There are plenty to choose from where your pet peeves will go down a
treat and provoke plenty of bigoted debate. Move on! Enjoy!

Vivienne "don't bang the door on your way out" Smythe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ben "the X-files is not a documentary" walsh - on afu.

Thomas Prufer

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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:09:00 -0800, Ad absurdum per aspera
<jtchewh...@california.com> wrote:

>WHITE-BREASTED NUTHATCH Sitta carolinensis M286
>5-6" (13-15 cm). Nuthatches climb down trees _headfirst_. This, the
>most familiar species, is known by its black cap and beady eye on a
>white face. The undertail coverts are chestnut.
>Voice: Song, a rapid series of low, nasal, whistled tones on one pitch:
>_whi, whi, whi, whi, whi, whi_ or _who who, who_, etc. Note, a nasal
>_yank_; also a nasal _tootoo_.
>
>-Roger Tory Peterson, _A Field Guide to Western Birds_, 3rd edition,
>Boston: Houghton Mifflin (1990), p. 262, just above the entry for
>CREEPERS.
>

I have heard that squirrels are the only mammals which do climb down
headfirst. There are some others, as I distinctly remember a
documentary showing some large cat climbing down headfirst. Perhaps it
is true for familiar animals of the nothern temperate hemisphere?


Tom "nasal yank?" Prufer

nic...@my-dejanews.com

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Greetings!

In article <76kh92$k...@news1.panix.com>,


Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:
> Anyone familiar with a Christmas tradition called Snapdragons? My mother
> told me of it. Currants, raisins and sultanas are put in a large dish
> (there was a particular dish that was The Snapdragon Dish, though we
> didn't actually play Snapdragon). Warmed brandy was poured over the dried
> fruit, and set alight. The object of the exercise was to grab pieces of
> the fruit from the midst of the flames, and to eat them while still
> scorching hot.

Yes, but I don't remember where I first read about it--perhaps in a novel. To
some extent, you can play the same or a similar game with the ubiquitous
"chestnuts roasted on an open fire."

My favourite holiday tradition which, sadly, we seem to have lost is cross-
dressing. Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night" features this as a plot device (of
course, it was likely even more amusing at the time, since Viola, who dresses
like a boy for disguise, would have been played by a boy....thus, a boy
dressing like a girl dressing like a boy.....)

I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally
taken down on Twelfth Night in England....

Susan "Yule log, anyone?" Carroll-Clark

Jeremy Burgeson

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Mellissa <mell...@carefreee.com> wrote:

>Rick Tyler is very comfortable in his cozy den and ever
>amused to read hair-raising tales of BMW's with low grade
>paint jobs or Jackson Hole ski lifts that don't lift.
>....But, should anyone introduce such an unseasonable

>allusion as mass murderers running free, kosher food scams,
>or, little children being kidnapped and murdered...then
>this really is JUST TOO MUCH for the comfortable Mr.Tyler
>to bear.

Before anybody says anything to me, yes, I know better. I
would like to say I'm sorry, in advance, but I want to know
if apple juice is a good substitute for wine in general. My
parents don't keep a box of cheap wine around, and we all
enjoy it when I cook over there.

There are times and places for every sort of discussion. AFU
is quite appropriate for most topics. As a matter of fact, it
probably has one of the largest topic bases on all of usenet.
How does it stay on charter? By making sure that a tiny little
part of the discussion has to do with some UL or other. Provide
UL content rather than lunatic rantings about a certain topic,
and it just might be accepted as a good contribution. Quite a
bit of mayhem is talked about in afu, but it should all have UL
content. Many regulars have seen more (and done more about it)
than you have, but not here. This is not the place.

Believe it or not, some of the best political and well read
religious minds post here. They don't bring it up unless
they can contribute to facts, because that would be wrong.
Why? Context. Context is everything. Why don't you post
an open invitation for all of afu to let themselves into your
house and have a fine time. I'm sure in that context you will
find several people willing to discuss just about anything with
you.


Mike Holmans

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> felt like saying:

>Anyone familiar with a Christmas tradition called Snapdragons? My mother
>told me of it. Currants, raisins and sultanas are put in a large dish
>(there was a particular dish that was The Snapdragon Dish, though we
>didn't actually play Snapdragon). Warmed brandy was poured over the dried
>fruit, and set alight. The object of the exercise was to grab pieces of
>the fruit from the midst of the flames, and to eat them while still
>scorching hot.
>
Nope, never heard of it. The nearest approach to it I can think of is
coming downstairs on Boxing Day morning to find my father setting light
to the warmed brandy he'd just poured over the slice of Christmas
pudding which he had fried for breakfast. This struck me then, and still
strikes me, as somewhat more stomach-churning than fried haggis the
morning after a Burns Supper.

However, your reminiscence raises a question of great importance.
Although there is a difference at the definitional level between
currants, raisins, and sultanas (although I've never been precisely
certain what it is), is there any practical situation in which this
difference is either noticeable or material?

Mike "raisin a currant issue" Holmans

El Sig sends sigsonal greetings to all his friends and well-wishers
--
I prefer Yorkshire terriers myself, deep fried in a good beer batter.
- Wibble, in alt.folklore.urban


Madeleine Page

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Mike Holmans <pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: However, your reminiscence raises a question of great importance.


: Although there is a difference at the definitional level between
: currants, raisins, and sultanas (although I've never been precisely
: certain what it is), is there any practical situation in which this
: difference is either noticeable or material?

Yup. When you need 2lbs currants, 1.5 lbs sultanas and 1 lb raisins for a
hunormous Christmas Cake. The sort that Bo despies.

: Mike "raisin a currant issue" Holmans

Madeleine "puns like that deserve a sultana battery" Page


Madeleine Page

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Susan Carroll-Clark, who now disconcertingly logs on as
nic...@my-dejanews.com, wrote:

: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally


: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....

True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.

Madeleine "dunno why, that's just How Things Were Done" Page


Meredith Robbins

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Matt Giwer <je...@elohim.paradisio.net> wrote:

<some more crap>

If all goes as planned, the newest apartment building on Connecticut
Avenue will open its doors this fall. The Park Connecticut, a Charles
E. Smith Co. luxury high-rise, is now under construction in the Van Ness
area and promises not only a fresh residential option for Upper
Northwest but also an additional revenue source for nearby merchants.

[...]

Across town, pre-leasing has begun for apartments in the Lexington, a
13-story brick and granite tower erected by Gould Property Co. and
Boston Properties Inc. at 400 Eighth St. NW. The first of three
structures in the Market Square North project, the complex will add more
commercial and residential space to the Gallery Place neighborhood's
already vigorous revitalization.

--Jacquelyn Powell, "Rentals Gear Up for a Building Boom." The
Washington Post, 1/2/99.

--
"The Romantics had sex and drugs, but lacking rock-and-roll they made do
with Switzerland." --Lloyd Rose

<http://www.eclectricity.org>
<http://www.exileinnetville.com>

Phil Edwards

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On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:17:36 +1100, "Viv" <v...@au.mensa.org> wrote:

>Can anyone else say "James Eden is an arrogant shit who has not read the FAQ or
>the charter, and seems to think that unmoderated means no rules, group culture
>or mores that he might be disrupting?"

Experience on other groups suggests that James Eden is a pseudonym
being used by Matt Giwer. It seems likely that Franc[i|e]s Quarles,
Mellissa, Carly Devereaux and Toniela Dawkins are also Giwer; he's
noted for posting under multiple IDs over a short period, sometimes
without bothering to change his sig file[1].

There's no point in responding to people like Giwer in any way at all.
Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only interest is
in causing fights. While he can sound superficially plausible, he has
lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of
lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts which
contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted
himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity
that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer
to:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt
http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/giwer.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/g/giwer.matt

Mr. Giwer has no interest in history, or anything else, excepting
perhaps a bottle of cheap wine. His sole interest is in attracting
attention, and he will say anything at all to do that, no matter how
disgusting or vile.

Phil "" Edwards

[1] Examples include Sheldon Epstein, David Emanuel, Argent Green,
Jean LePlume [sic], Donal T. Dreadnaught [sic] and Harmonhall.

David Lesher

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Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> writes:

>: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally
>: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....

>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.

Does that mean the Twelth Night Party I got invited to is really
an excuse to put the guests to work??


--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

Jim Everman

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David Lesher wrote:
>
> Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> writes:
>
> >: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally
> >: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....
>
> >True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.
>
> Does that mean the Twelth Night Party I got invited to is really
> an excuse to put the guests to work??

Way back in my Boy Scout days (195n), the troop would collect
discarded Christmas trees as a public service. We would take them
to a village park and on the "12th Night" we would have a big
bonfire/community sing, with hot choclate, cookies, etc furnished
by (some other groups).

Lots of work involved, but a good time was had by all.

David and/or Jackie Laderoute

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On 2 Jan 1999 09:29:18 -0600, a...@inetnebr.com (Jeremy Burgeson) wrote:


>Before anybody says anything to me, yes, I know better. I
>would like to say I'm sorry, in advance, but I want to know
>if apple juice is a good substitute for wine in general. My
>parents don't keep a box of cheap wine around, and we all
>enjoy it when I cook over there.

Depends on the recipe. In dessert recipes it may be fine, but for a lot
of savoury recipes, the apple juice may just be too sweet. In cases
like that, I've had success with substituting half the volume with water
and the other half with apple cider or red wine vinegar.

Jackie "less flies with vinegar" Laderoute

< o \"/ Don't play cat and mouse with me! (
---@ ) ()-()
< o /"\ Jackie Laderoute ja...@baynet.net (o o)
********************************************************************/\o/\

Charles William Dimmick

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On 2 Jan 1999 Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:

>Susan Carroll-Clark, wrote:
>
>: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally
>: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....
>
>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.

That's still how it's done in the Dimmick household. Tree goes up
Christmas Eve; Tree comes down Twelfth Night (Although we sometimes
wait until Jan. 6th, plug the lights in one more time to herald the
Epiphany).

Charles Wm. "traditional" Dimmick

Anthony Breaux

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In article <368dfa80...@news.tu-ilmenau.de>,
pru...@compuserve.com (Thomas Prufer) wrote:

>I have heard that squirrels are the only mammals which do climb down
>headfirst. There are some others, as I distinctly remember a
>documentary showing some large cat climbing down headfirst. Perhaps it
>is true for familiar animals of the nothern temperate hemisphere?
>

My son has more cats than I'm willing to count. When the kittens start
learning how to climb trees, the will _try_ to come down head first. They
fall two or three feet, catch themselves, look around with a puzzled
expression on their faces, and start down head first again. After repeting
the process two or three times they're close enough to the ground to just
jump. At four or five months they have apparently decided its _never_ going
to work, and started backing down like their elders.

I have heard that squirrels paws are splayed enough that the claws on the
outside digits face the opposite way as the inside digits, so going up or
down they can hook into the tree bark. I don't know of any cat that can do
that (but I could be wrong).

I think I have seen some footage of jaguars (or possibly lepoards) coming
down trees head first, but the trees in question were leaning rather than
being upright.

Anthony

Anthony Breaux

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In article <76len8$qtu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
nic...@my-dejanews.com wrote:


>My favourite holiday tradition which, sadly, we seem to have lost is cross-
>dressing. Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night" features this as a plot device (of
>course, it was likely even more amusing at the time, since Viola, who dresses
>like a boy for disguise, would have been played by a boy....thus, a boy
>dressing like a girl dressing like a boy.....)
>

Isn't that hte plot of _Victor Victoria_?

Anthony

Anthony Breaux

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In article <76ljeb$r...@news1.panix.com>,
Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:

>Susan Carroll-Clark, who now disconcertingly logs on as

>nic...@my-dejanews.com, wrote:
>
>: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was
traditionally
>: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....
>
>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.
>

>Madeleine "dunno why, that's just How Things Were Done" Page
>

Because the twelfth night was the end of Christmastide, and Epiphany started
the next day. "To everything ther is a season" and the season for Christmas
decorations ended on Twelfth Night.

Anthony

Kim Sara

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Madeleine Page (mp...@panix.com) wrote:

: Anyone familiar with a Christmas tradition called Snapdragons?

The first I'd heard of it was in the explanatory notes of my annotated
"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass." Alice
encounters a Snapdragonfly who, in the Tenniel illustration, appears to be
a flaming raisin with holly leaf wings. I'd really like to give you the
actual quote but, as is usually the case, I can't find the damned thing.
I recall, however, that "Flapdragon" was given as an alternative name for
the game.
--
Kim "so many books, so few bookshelves" Sullivan
sa...@uidaho.edu


Lee Rudolph

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Matt Giwer, posing as Mellissa <mell...@carefreee.com>, writes:
...

POULTRY POWDER
For Chickens, Ducks, Geese, or Turkeys

Cayenne pepper.......... 5 pounds
Assafoetida, powdered...2 1/2 pounds
Fenugreek, powdered....12 1/2 pounds
Willow charcoal, pow-
dered................10 pounds
Prepared chalk, ground. 25 pounds
Golden seal, powdered.. 25 pounds
Nux vomica, powdered... 7 1/2 pounds
Sulphate of iron, pow-
dered................ 7 1/2 pounds
Mustard hull, yellow,
ground..............200 pounds

Directions.--For grown fowls, one or two teaspoonfuls of the powder
nmixed in meal with a little water. Promptness is essential in
administering this remedy, so that the disease does not advance too
far before it is used. Give twice a day for 3 or 4 days and then once
a day and finally once every other day, until a perfect cure is beyond
a doubt.

For all other diseases, such as swelled head, sore throat, etc.,
proceed as above.

Lee " " Rudolph

Lee Rudolph

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James Eden <je...@elohim.paradisio.net> channels Matt Giwer:
...

CONSTIPATION POWDER FOR CATTLE

Aloin......... 4 drams
Ginger..........1 ounce
Gentian.........1/2 ounce
Anise...........1/2 ounce
Mix

Lee "no, not Tom, you fool" Rudolph

Viv

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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Phil Edwards wrote

<a bunch of wisdom>

You are so right. Regrets in abundance.

Vivienne "apologies all round" Smythe

Phil Edwards

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On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:16:55 -0700, Matt Giwer
<mell...@carefreee.com> wrote:

Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only


interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not
to see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even
when they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and
generally conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual
and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the
time to read and respond. For detailed and documented evidence
of this, please refer to:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt
http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/giwer.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/g/giwer.matt

Mr. Giwer has no interest in history, or anything else, excepting
perhaps a bottle of cheap wine. His sole interest is in attracting
attention, and he will say anything at all to do that, no matter how
disgusting or vile.

Phil Edwards

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Viv

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Charles William Dimmick wrote
:On 2 Jan 1999 Madeleine Page wrote:

:>Susan Carroll-Clark, wrote:
:>
:>: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was
traditionally
:>: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....
:>
:>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.
:
:That's still how it's done in the Dimmick household. Tree goes up

:Christmas Eve; Tree comes down Twelfth Night (Although we sometimes
:wait until Jan. 6th, plug the lights in one more time to herald the
:Epiphany).


Living in Old South Wales a few years ago, a spin on this was that if you hadn't
taken down the decorations by Twelfth Night, the superstition was that then it
was bad luck to take them down and you had to leave them up until Xmas rolled
around again to avoid the hex.

Vivienne "How Green was my Vector" Smythe

Chuck

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On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:20:31 GMT, amr...@zetnet.co.uk (Phil Edwards)
wrote:

>Experience on other groups suggests that James Eden is a pseudonym
>being used by Matt Giwer

...who was a hemorrhoid on the backside of FidoNet, 6 or so years ago,
doing virtually anything to get a rise out of people... He'd even make
you think that he *believed* his idiocy.

Played the same games then...ignoring himis the best medicine. Don't
waste the bandwidth. Doesn't even deserve doe snot.

Chuck "Been there, done that" Holcomb


--
Chuck
chaz3913[at]yahoo[dot]com
Anti-spam sig: remove "spamless" from address to reply

Viv

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Anthony Breaux wrote
:(Thomas Prufer) wrote:
:<squirrels only animals that climb down trees headfirst?)

<kittens initially attempt headfirst descent but change after a few falls on
head>
:I have heard that squirrels paws are splayed enough that the claws on the


:outside digits face the opposite way as the inside digits, so going up or
:down they can hook into the tree bark. I don't know of any cat that can do
:that (but I could be wrong).
:
:I think I have seen some footage of jaguars (or possibly lepoards) coming
:down trees head first, but the trees in question were leaning rather than
:being upright.

I used to own a cat who climbed headfirst down a perpendicular palm tree quite
successfully by coming down in a spiral pattern rather than just straight down
the trunk.

Vivienne "mind you, she wasn't very bright - we named her Bozo quite
appropriately" Smythe

Derek Tearne

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In article <368dfa80...@news.tu-ilmenau.de>, pru...@compuserve.com
(Thomas Prufer) wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:09:00 -0800, Ad absurdum per aspera
><jtchewh...@california.com> wrote:
>
>>WHITE-BREASTED NUTHATCH Sitta carolinensis M286
>>5-6" (13-15 cm). Nuthatches climb down trees _headfirst_. This, the
>>most familiar species, is known by its black cap and beady eye on a
>>white face. The undertail coverts are chestnut.
>>Voice: Song, a rapid series of low, nasal, whistled tones on one pitch:
>>_whi, whi, whi, whi, whi, whi_ or _who who, who_, etc. Note, a nasal
>>_yank_; also a nasal _tootoo_.
>>
>>-Roger Tory Peterson, _A Field Guide to Western Birds_, 3rd edition,
>>Boston: Houghton Mifflin (1990), p. 262, just above the entry for
>>CREEPERS.
>>
>

>I have heard that squirrels are the only mammals which do climb down
>headfirst. There are some others, as I distinctly remember a
>documentary showing some large cat climbing down headfirst. Perhaps it
>is true for familiar animals of the nothern temperate hemisphere?

Red Pandas also can walk down trees headfirst. Or at least the
one at Auckland Zoo can. It was seemingly quite happy walking in
straight lines across its cage and it would would simply walk
right over anything in its path. There was a tall tree trunk
(denuded of leaves and branches) in the middle of its cage -
it walked up the tree headfirst and down the other side headfirst
as though the tree was simply a small rise in the ground.

Incredible - and extremely cute.

--
Derek Tearne. --- @URL Internet Consultants --- http://url.co.nz/

Nick Spalding

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Kim Sara wrote:

> The first I'd heard of it was in the explanatory notes of my annotated
> "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass." Alice
> encounters a Snapdragonfly who, in the Tenniel illustration, appears to be
> a flaming raisin with holly leaf wings. I'd really like to give you the
> actual quote but, as is usually the case, I can't find the damned thing.
> I recall, however, that "Flapdragon" was given as an alternative name for
> the game.

"Look on the branch above your head," said the Gnat, "and there you'll
find a Snap-dragon-fly. Its body is made of plum-pudding, its wings
of holly-leaves, and its head is a raisin burning in brandy."

p40 of my 1904 Macmillan edition, the picture is on p38.
--
Nick Spalding

nic...@my-dejanews.com

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Greetings!

In article <76mfsa$fcn$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
"Viv" <v...@au.mensa.org> wrote:

> Living in Old South Wales a few years ago, a spin on this was that if you
hadn't
> taken down the decorations by Twelfth Night, the superstition was that then it
> was bad luck to take them down and you had to leave them up until Xmas rolled
> around again to avoid the hex.

Perhaps that explains some of the folks who leave their lights up all year
*and* continue to turn them on. Usually the last ones disappear about April
or so....

Susan "maybe they're celebrating Easter" Carroll-Clark

James Wallis

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In article <76ljeb$r...@news1.panix.com>, Madeleine Page
<mp...@panix.com> writes

>Susan Carroll-Clark, who now disconcertingly logs on as
>nic...@my-dejanews.com, wrote:
>
>: I also seem to recall from somewhere that Christmas greenery was traditionally
>: taken down on Twelfth Night in England....
>
>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.

Because if you don't then the goblins get in and spoil the milk and
tease the cat and pour port into the Stilton.

--
James Wallis (ja...@erstwhile.demon.co.uk)
"There is no such thing as adventure. There's no such thing as romance.
There's only trouble and desire" -- from Simple Men, a Hal Hartley film

James Wallis

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In article <76m5go$n35$1...@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu>, Kim Sara
<sa...@news.uidaho.edu> writes

>Madeleine Page (mp...@panix.com) wrote:
>
>: Anyone familiar with a Christmas tradition called Snapdragons?
>
>The first I'd heard of it was in the explanatory notes of my annotated
>"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass." Alice
>encounters a Snapdragonfly who, in the Tenniel illustration, appears to be
>a flaming raisin with holly leaf wings.

I've actually played it. Seems like a waste of perfectly good raisins to
me. Still, it does serve as an interesting exercise in seeing just
exactly how stupid a thing children will do if money is involved.

Chuck

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On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:30:04 +0000, Mike Holmans
<pos...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>. Warmed brandy was poured over the dried
>>fruit, and set alight.
(pyromaniacal snippage...)
>coming downstairs on Boxing Day morning to find my father setting light
>to the warmed brandy he'd just poured over the slice of Christmas
>pudding

There is an American parallel to these two practices, as well. Doesn't
really have a name, but involves leaving the Christmas tree up until
it is dry as a mummy's fart, then going away from home and leaving the
tree lights on, and returning, several hours later, to find a
smoldering heap of rubble where the family domicile used to be.

Brandy is optional.

Chuck "Fake Tree" Holcomb

Ed Kadach

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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Phil Edwards wrote:

> Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only

> interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially...

Here we have a classic --and certainly worth hearing about--
Internet "urban legend":

The throwaway aspersion, "You must be Matt Giwer".

What is always meant by this comment is, "I do not wish to
deal with the disturbing realities you have enumerated.
Therefore, I am going to call you a de facto Satan (Matt Giwer)
and will not anymore have to try and rebut the jarring
realities you are reciting."

In fact, there IS NO Matt Giwer and there never was such
a person. As in the evolution of a classic urban legend,
the imaginary troll "Matt Giwer" has now widely penetrated
into the consciousness of Internet NG posters and assumes
as much substance as if he were a REAL human being.

So, when you see on any NG the pejorative allusion given,
"This man is Matt Giwer in disguise and trying to disrupt
us", you will know that this is yet another instance of
a common misperception/urban legend being perpetuated.
So amusing that on this VERY newsgroup supposedly more
informed posters will resort to summoning the boogie man
of "Matt Giwer". A useful, if imaginary, device indeed
for the man who has no substantive power of logic --to
lend his pen both wit and argument he so sorely lacks.


Ed Kadach

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Chuck wrote...again of the bete noire Matt Giwer...

> ...who was a hemorrhoid on the backside of FidoNet, 6 or so years ago,

> doing virtually anything...

Madeleine Page

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Ed Kadach writes about the non-existence of Matt Gwier. As if anyone here
cares. You'll note that the headers of his posts (earthlink again, in this
case, earthlink and the Ole Kentucky uu.net in another) rather suggest
that he is Smellissa, cross-dressing *again*.

Nullumst iam dictum quod non dictum sit prius.

Nothing has yet been said that's not been said before.

Terence

Madeleine Page

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Ed Kadach writes:

[more of the same stuff from the old earthlink address]

You know, I *liked* the recipe exchange thing, although I know Keith Lim
and Jim Everman didn't. Thanks to all who posted good banana bread
recipes -- I'm tempted to buy an entire hand of overripe bananas and have
a bake-off for one.

As an aside, I just invented a means of doing Greek-style lamb (garlic,
thick gravy, semi-roasted, mostly casseroled). I'm sitting here burping
happily. One of these days I have to get a proper Greek cookbook.

Madeleine "le senescence d'un chef" Page


Anthony Breaux

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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In article <76ohf5$5...@news1.panix.com>,
Madeleine Page <mp...@panix.com> wrote:

>You know, I *liked* the recipe exchange thing, although I know Keith Lim
>and Jim Everman didn't. Thanks to all who posted good banana bread
>recipes -- I'm tempted to buy an entire hand of overripe bananas and have
>a bake-off for one.
>
>As an aside, I just invented a means of doing Greek-style lamb (garlic,
>thick gravy, semi-roasted, mostly casseroled). I'm sitting here burping
>happily. One of these days I have to get a proper Greek cookbook.
>

If we're goint to continue the recipe exchange, I would request we broaden it
a bit. I'm allergic to poultry, so all the chicken recipies are wasted on me.
How about that lamb recipe?

Anthony

alice faber

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<(un)original drivel snipped>

"Of the grammatical categories associated with the verb, we shall
consider only those which are immediately relevant to our discussion
of historical changes involving the verb phrase, that is to say tense,
aspect and mood."

Alice "historical record" Faber

James Wallis

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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In article <76oih3$e...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, Anthony Breaux
<bea...@ix.netcom.com> writes

>If we're goint to continue the recipe exchange, I would request we broaden it
>a bit. I'm allergic to poultry, so all the chicken recipies are wasted on me.
>How about that lamb recipe?

And I'm vegetarian (living proof that if you eat your greens you grow up
big and strong), so let's have some meatless stuff or I shall be forced
to vent my displeasure upon you.

Richard Brandt

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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Something calling itself James Eden wrote:

> I do sympathize though with frustrated posters who feel
> threatened by subjects that really are "urban legend"
> material. So very distressing to be rattled out of one's
> safe cocoon of fuzzy thoughts and hazy perceptions of
> society.

All a poster has to do to understand what's on-topic for a.f.u.
is to read the AFU, or lurk for a while. If they fall for
inflammatory anonymously-posted crap like yours they're probably
too far gone though.

Richard "Paging Earthlink" Brandt
--
=== Richard Brandt is at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8720/ ===
"We can imagine no reason why, with ordinary care, human toes could
not be left out of chewing tobacco, and if toes are found in chewing
tobacco, it seems to us that somebody has been very careless."
--Missouri Supreme Court, 1918

Charles A. Lieberman

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How does one choose one's doe snot? I realize it's an individual thing,
but are there guidelines or some such?

--
Charles A. Lieberman | And I would've gotten away with it too if it hadn't
Brooklyn, NY, USA | been for those meddlesome kids!
calieber at bu dot edu

Phil Edwards

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On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:04:12 +0000, James Wallis
<ja...@erstwhile.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <76ljeb$r...@news1.panix.com>, Madeleine Page
><mp...@panix.com> writes

>>True enough. Tree dismantled, decorations down as of Twelfth Night.

>
>Because if you don't then the goblins get in and spoil the milk and
>tease the cat and pour port into the Stilton.

You see? I knew there'd be a perfectly rational explanation.

Phil "port *with* Stilton, *good*" Edwards

alice faber

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In <MPG.10f9a2216...@news.bu.edu> cali...@bu.ed.u (Charles A. Lieberman) writes:


>How does one choose one's doe snot? I realize it's an individual thing,
>but are there guidelines or some such?

I can't speak for others, but I simply grab a book off the shelf and
start typing. From the formatting, I suspect that some other folks
copy stuff that they happen to have around on their computers, like
Margaret's hockey rule book. (I infer this from the length of some
folks' doe snot; if you're typing yourself, you're more likely to keep
it short.)

Alice "snot much, but mine own" Faber

Andy Walton

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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In article <MPG.10f9a2216...@news.bu.edu>, cali...@bu.edu wrote:

:How does one choose one's doe snot? I realize it's an individual thing,

:but are there guidelines or some such?

It should be an unmistakable non sequitur, preferrably either entertaining
or useful (recipes, f'rinstance). My criteria are about the same as for
.sig quotes, but at many times the length.
--
"I think the development of an artificial intellect could have a tremendous
impact on society. It may also help me sell more of my roll-up plastic
lighted portable disco dance floors." -- Hugh Loebner, in Wired, 5/95
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Walton * att...@mindspring.com * http://atticus.home.mindspring.com/

Tom Cikoski

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In <MPG.10f9a2216...@news.bu.edu> cali...@bu.ed.u (Charles A. Lieberman) writes:


>How does one choose one's doe snot? I realize it's an individual thing,
>but are there guidelines or some such?

( )_( )
\. ./
_=.=_
" -- Do avoid copyright violations!

Lon Stowell

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Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>What is always meant by this comment is, "I do not wish to
>deal with the disturbing realities you have enumerated.
>Therefore, I am going to call you a de facto Satan (Matt Giwer)
>and will not anymore have to try and rebut the jarring
>realities you are reciting."

OK, if it will make you happy, I will observe that
"you must be Ed Kadach".

Not that I believe any such individual exists, but
I've forgotten how to spell "ignorant racist fuck".

Lon Stowell

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Charles A. Lieberman <cali...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
>How does one choose one's doe snot? I realize it's an individual thing,
>but are there guidelines or some such?

Sometimes you can find topical material that relates very closely
to your opinion of the snottee. For cyberhate crimes, that is
more effort than they deserve.

Caleb Rock

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Ed Kadach wrote:
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> Here we have a classic --and certainly worth hearing about--
> Internet "urban legend":
> In fact, there IS NO Matt Giwer and there never was such
> a person.
>
Actually Switchboard.com lists 3 people with the name Matt Giwer, two in
Florida, and one in Ohio. Another UL debunked.

Caleb "everything is on the net" Rock

danny burstein

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In <36903673...@unnet.com> Caleb Rock <garg...@unnet.com> writes:

>Ed Kadach wrote:
>>
>> Here we have a classic --and certainly worth hearing about--
>> Internet "urban legend":
>> In fact, there IS NO Matt Giwer and there never was such
>> a person.
>>
>Actually Switchboard.com lists 3 people with the name Matt Giwer, two in
>Florida, and one in Ohio. Another UL debunked.

Well, I don't know any Matt Giwer. So there!
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Charles A. Lieberman

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Matt Giwer

> In fact, there IS NO Matt Giwer and there never was such
> a person.
>

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David DeLaney

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je...@elohim.paradisio.net writes:
>Jim Everman wrote:

>Can you say "Jim aspires to be a private censor of a nonmoderated

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Chuck

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On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:55:52 -0700, Ed Kadach <edd...@connect.ab.ca>
wrote:

While overarching norms and rules of behaviour are often stressed,
there is also much lip-service paid to the individual as an important
component in social theory. Collingwood, in particular, has a
well-defined theory of social action. 'What is miscalled an "event" is
really an action, and expresses some thought (intention, purpose) of
its agent' (1939, pp. 127-8). He does not see action as a response to
a stimulus, or as the mere effect of the agent's nature or disposition
(ibid., p. 102). So, directly in line with the point of view preferred
in this volume, Collingwood says that action is neither behavioural
response, nor is it norm. Rather it is situation specific, the 'event'
being played out and manipulated according to bounded knowledge of the
situation. Because situations of standardized types arise, action
appears to be rule-bound, but in fact in many aspects of life there
are no rigid unchanging rules. Each specific situation is so context
dependent, with different combinations of factors involved, that it
would be impossible to have a full rule-book of behaviour.

From "Reading The Past" by Ian Hodder, Cambridge University Press,
1986.

Chuck "Deconstructing Rational Thought" Holcomb

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