[ALERT+KEY_CHANGE] Frog
Frog-Admin
I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
That was a good occasion to convince a dozen policemen,
(some with body armor, who popped up at milkman's time)
that remailers are a good thing and the ultimate defense for privacy.
I already had to visit the neighbouring police service (same building, other floor) last August.
I suggested a lecture for the whole building before there is a 3rd time.
In the meantime, the *physical* integrity of the computers *may* have been compromised.
I ran anti-trojans, anti-virus, and here are the new keys:
(remailer-xxx has been updated, WWW is in process)
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
$remailer{"frog"} = "<frogre...@frogadmin.yi.org> cpunk mix hybrid pgp pgponly latent ek ekx esub cut hash post repgp remix reord ext max test inflt50 rhop5 klen1024 NoSpam";
Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID
pub 2048/E6BBCED5 2003/10/22 Frog <frogre...@frogadmin.yi.org>
sig 3C777CC5 Frog-Admin
sig E6BBCED5 Frog <frogre...@frogadmin.yi.org>
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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Frog Remailer WWW Page:
index
http://frogadmin.yi.org/
Main with stats
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Main.html
Finger Capabilities
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Finger.html
All Pingers' Index
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Pingers/
MetaStats
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MetaStats/
Browse into Frog Remailer Load Graphs
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/Browse.html
DownLoads
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MyDownLoad.html
Modify Potatoware
http://frogadmin.yi.org/PotatoX_Gen.html
Thesaurus (remailer-xxx Data & Analysis)
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Thesaurus/
Politiques FR
http://frogadmin.yi.org/POL/Pol_FR.html
Policies EN
http://frogadmin.yi.org/POL/Pol_EN.html
Trash
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Trash/
Smile
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Sonrisas/
Client Configurations for LES Dummies
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Configs/
Technical Data
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Tek/
WebToNews:
https://frogadmin.yi.org/cgi-bin/dnewsweb.exe
Frog's Support for News
http://frogadmin.yi.org/News/
Remailer Description RFC
http://frogadmin.yi.org/RFC/
Web Anonymous Remailer Interface (Mail/News)
https://frogadmin.yi.org/WARI/
Miscellaneous Functions
http://frogadmin.yi.org/MISC/
JBN2 QuickStart
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
Survival Kit
posted daily to APAS
http://frogadmin.yi.org/SurvivalKit.txt
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Anonymous
Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
> Does anyone think it out of the realm of possibility that Frog someday
> may start slipping trojans into some of his programming handiwork?
>
More than a possibility, probably likely. Look at it this way, Frog
works very hard at driving a spike down the middle of the remailer
community. he attacks the developers of key software as well as views
other remops as competition. He's based in an anti free speech country,
where wannadoo has banned all remailers. He's had the french police
visit him, yet is still running. He attacks complainers and further
abuses them by including their info in his headers. He repeatedly says
his reasons for what he does are political. He attacks and floods any
who criticize him. All combined these actions point to one thing, the
desire to destroy the remailer network through abuse, innuendo, and
fragmentation. It's a safe bet his software mods hold the same
political agenda.
-=-
This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.
Venetian
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
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>
>I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
With what crime were you charged? This smells like the work of
'Bluejay' and his associates. He has been trying to induce people
to come to your home and cause you bodily harm. Making a
bogus police report would not be beneath him.
>
>In the meantime, the *physical* integrity of the computers *may* have been
>compromised.
>I ran anti-trojans, anti-virus, and here are the new keys:
>(remailer-xxx has been updated, WWW is in process)
>
Have you thoroughly checked to see whether a software, or
mechanical, keylogger was installed?
Nomen Nescio
> I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
> That was a good occasion to convince a dozen policemen,
> (some with body armor, who popped up at milkman's time)
> that remailers are a good thing and the ultimate defense for privacy.
>
> I already had to visit the neighbouring police service (same building, other floor) last August.
> I suggested a lecture for the whole building before there is a 3rd time.
Hmm. Could you provide some evidence
to substantiate this claim?
Anonymous
>Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
>> Does anyone think it out of the realm of possibility that Frog someday
>> may start slipping trojans into some of his programming handiwork?
>>
>
>More than a possibility, probably likely.
but aren't there enough knowledgeable people who would expose this?
(sniffers, app-based firewalls etc) I'm not defending him, I just want to
know.
> Look at it this way, Frog
>works very hard at driving a spike down the middle of the remailer
>community. he attacks the developers of key software as well as views
>other remops as competition. He's based in an anti free speech country,
>where wannadoo has banned all remailers. He's had the french police
>visit him
can we know this to be true for sure?
>, yet is still running. He attacks complainers and further
>abuses them by including their info in his headers. He repeatedly says
>his reasons for what he does are political. He attacks and floods any
>who criticize him. All combined these actions point to one thing, the
>desire to destroy the remailer network through abuse
wouldn't he then flood a new mainline newsgroup every week, and get the
whole world to hate remailers?
Anonymous
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
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>
> I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
without being charged with something.
>
> In the meantime, the *physical* integrity of the computers *may* have been compromised.
So might your PGP admin-key. Your entire web of trust is now
questionable and you should revoke your key ASAP and create a new one.
Bluejay
Frog is a lying sack of shit that pulls this "Oh, woe is me" act every
time the s.o.b get called on for screwing up apas and the remailer
system.
This ploy for sympathy is usually that someone is trying to dos him
out of service, or that he burned his eyes. Or that his day is 26
hours in length.
He is a pathetic son of a bitch whose crimes against the remailer system
and apas are catching up with him and he is seeking pity.
If it weren't for 30 or so amoral/immoral re-mopes who sanctify his
carrying pirated software on his remailer, plus making allowances for
his slandering the names of decent people, he'd be long gone and not
missed from the system.
Here are those amoral/immoral bastards who back frog and his software
piracy, slander and all other of his antics.
antaini bigapple bikikii bogg bunker
chicago citrus cmeclax cthulu discord
dot edo freedom frell futurew garsmano
gbnq george harmless hastio hermes
italy krotus lemuria mercler metacolo
panta senshi sept starwars
Here are the sixteen who have shown some sense of decency and morality
by their blocking Frog The Punk.
aarg anon ashcroft austria
banana cf cripto dingo
dizum nitemare paranoia randseed
riot rot26 tonga vger
--
* Bluejay *
Here is where to get help setting up QuickSilver
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/qs/menu.html
Read About The Frog Who Would Be King
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/frog/declaration.html
To use apas during the floods, you need a newsreader with filtering
capability. Here is a link to a freebie, plus how to setup and use it.
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/frog/kill-frog-the-punk.html
alt.privacy.anon-server FAQ
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/qs/part1.html
Nomen Nescio
>
>
>If it weren't for 30 or so amoral/immoral re-mopes who sanctify his
>carrying pirated software on his remailer, plus making allowances for
>his slandering the names of decent people, he'd be long gone and not
>missed from the system.
>
>Here are those amoral/immoral bastards who back frog and his software
>piracy, slander and all other of his antics.
>
>antaini bigapple bikikii bogg bunker
>chicago citrus cmeclax cthulu discord
>dot edo freedom frell futurew garsmano
>gbnq george harmless hastio hermes
>italy krotus lemuria mercler metacolo
>panta senshi sept starwars
>
>
>* Bluejay *
how say
pot kettle black
you make libel
Nomen Nescio
> Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
>
> With what crime were you charged? This smells like the work of
> 'Bluejay' and his associates. He has been trying to induce people
> to come to your home and cause you bodily harm. Making a
> bogus police report would not be beneath him.
and Bluejay = Chapman, known remailer-hater
and freak of usenet.
Frog, you must punish "David Chapman" NOW!
Make him the next Gardner!
Frog-Admin
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>In article <768CJWT93791...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>> I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
>>
>
>Whatever for, if you don't mind my asking?
Death threat
Death threat against a lawyer during a criminal investigation
Call for racist hatred
.
My understanding of the charges is that
- -Frog remailer (amongst others) was used for posts in FR newsgroups advertising a (now defunct) website: "sos-racailles", and they wondered if I was the author or just a remailer.
- -That www was *very* arabophobic, and the death threats and other similar material was there.
- -On that occasion, Frog was not used to mail death threats, but only for posts advertising that www.
- -The whole ring around "sos racailles" is suspected of other crimes (embezzlments, smuggling weapons, attempted assassination of French President Chirac ...)
Moreover, some announcements were made using a nick (like x...@nym.alias.net) that I happened to have used, and there were some more coincidences with that level of (in)accuracy.
In short:
I was suspected of being part of the ring myself - not just a 3rd party providing services.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Last August, it was for Frog having mailed/posted racist slander/libel.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
My disks (HD, CD, floppy, tapes) were searched for Names/Pseudos/Addresses/PhoneNumbers? belonging top that ring, racist material or catchphrases they use.
So was my house, car and dependencies for paper or other evidence.
They did not find anything, and it certainly helped my case a lot.
I was also asked to analyze a few headers and confirm if they were issued by remailers (replay, dizum, shinn, farout ...), nymservers (NAN, cracker) m2news (nan, dizum), and if I had issued them, or somebody else.
I gave the answers
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Related to that case: CAMELEON
A "Joel Sambuis" was arrested in Moscow last July, and it is apparently Cameleon,
the operator of Cameleon remailer which was alive in '2000.
He is supposed to be the mastermind behind "sos-racailles" and the whole ring.
http://www.transfert.net/a9451?setc=1
will give you a starter about what the allegations are about.
Make you own mind if you want: the policemen who questioned me would not qualify all that as more than "allegations", and I certainly don't have first-hand information
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I was given the occasion to try and convince a few policemen (including antiterrorist brigade)that anonymous_remailers_are_a_good_thing, and how they work.
They tried to convince me that I would be safer if I would modify Reliable so that it build a database (incominMSGID/outgoingMSGID), but they confirmed that, in the *current* state of French legislation, running Frog remailer was not illegal, and I could not be charged for its misuse/abuse.
I proposed to give a class to the whole building (complete with videoprojection, workshop) on remailers, how to run a client or a server. They will call me back.
BOTTOM LINE
On my side
I would have been better sleeping in my bed, but I would have missed the experience.
On User's side
There is a key change (just to be sure) but no compromise
On Remop-wannabe side
There is nothing wrong with remailers under French *current* legislation.
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Frog-Admin
I believe the keys/passphrases were not compromised.
Changing the remailer keys is USERS' security,
and I changed them because I don't want to take the slightest risk with USERS' security.
Changing my operator key (or my keys as a person, or my credit cards's PIN) is MY security
and I deem the level of risk is acceptable
If I were wrong, at worst I would get bankrupt or off business,
The worst cases, releasing
bogus remailer keys PGP-signed with stolen key
misleading tek information about Frog or remailers
would not be unnoticed by me.
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futureworlds
On 6 Oct 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>For the end-user, Cpunk transparently encapsulated in MIX is probably the best
>thing, offering the best from both worlds: Cpunk versatility and MIX obscurity.
No, it's not the best thing at all. All the old cpunk problems are still there.
All you need is one remailer in the chain to be compromised and the attacker can
then launch a replay attack, or log what options are set in the message to
partition it from other cpunk messages. Cpunk's variety of options means your
message can and will look different to other cpunk messages passing through the
remailer network. As anonymity is achieved by blending in with other messages,
this is a bad thing.
Frog-Admin
GRRRR
The post was authentic, but the signature shows as bad.
"Once again", I got caught with the "leading dots" trick
In the suspicious post
news:6SUVMPB237917.6106134259@Gilgamesh-frog.org
replacing
the leading simple-dot (.)
by the original triple-dot (...)
after the line "Call for racist hatred"
would restore the post's integrity for signature check
I should definitely ban the triple-dot from my vocabulary and replace it by "etc"
One more hint to feed on for devoted Frog impersonators...
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Bluejay
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>
>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>>In article <768CJWT93791...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>>Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
>>> I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
>>>
>>
>>Whatever for, if you don't mind my asking?
>
>Death threat
>Death threat against a lawyer during a criminal investigation
>Call for racist hatred
What a crock of lying shit.
Everytime the heat gets turned up on this p.o.s. he comes up with
this "Woe is me. Pity me." crap.
This time, I posted how obvious it is that he is in league with the
French government and immediately he comes up with a response
to "prove" otherwise.
If I remark on how no floods go through his machine(s) to reach apas,
the next day there is a flood through Frog.
Each time he reacts 180 degrees to whatever is said. That is the
meaning of the term "sock puppet."
This time he uses that technique plus the pity-me ploy.
As usual he has a bunch of Frogolytes come to his rescue,
commiserating with this flooding, trolling piece of crap.
Frog-Admin
On 23 Oct 2003, anon...@remailer.hastio.org wrote:
>In article <6SUVMPB237917.6106134259@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
>> <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>> >In article <768CJWT93791...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>> >Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>>
>> >> I spent the last 40 hours in jail.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Whatever for, if you don't mind my asking?
>>
>> Death threat
>> Death threat against a lawyer during a criminal investigation
>> Call for racist hatred
>>
>
>Scary story. Thanks for the explanation.
It's not scary at all.
Let me reintroduce my final conclusion:
|BOTTOM LINE
|On my side
|I would have been better sleeping in my bed, but I would have missed the
|experience.
|On User's side
|There is a key change (just to be sure) but no compromise
|On Remop-wannabe side
|There is nothing wrong with remailers under French *current* legislation.
Any remailer operator which is not prepared to *some* level of inconvenience because of his/her activity should definitely find another hobby.
A remop needs relatively little "technical" skills, and much more "political" will.
A remop may -
- -be questioned by the police until he educates them
- -receive hate mail and be bashed in apas until hell freezes
but he won't be tear-gassed or beaten up or shot in a anti-xxx demonstration
My story justs shows the *upper* level of inconvenience a French remop should expect, and I was just prepared to it.
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Anonymous
incompetent forgery, or the incompetent Frog-Admin STILL hasn't
learned to not put dots on a line by themselves.
Either way, the incompetence shown is evidence to not trust anything
by this key or person.
Anonymous Sender
> I was given the occasion to try and convince a few policemen
> (including antiterrorist brigade)that
> anonymous_remailers_are_a_good_thing, and how they work.
Any luck?
I'd be very surprised if police or any governmental agents would be in
favor of anonymity. I'm not some crazy person who thinks they want to
put the "mark of the beast" on us all, but it is naturally in the
interest of those in power to be able to track people.
Anonymous
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, An Metet <anm...@liberty.gmsociety.org> wrote:
>On 8 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>> Frog admin could request the volume limit be removed.
>>>
>>>He could have requested that the limit be raised.
>>>Nymservers need a *some* limit to prevent self-referencing
>>>mailbombing attacks, since they have no idea of where
>>>the reply-blocks are sending the mail.
>>>
>>>BTW, you are tacitly admitting that Gardner flooded
>>>Frog. Sending someone 10 megs + of mail will disable
>>>most mail accounts, freebie non-anon ones included.
>>
>>Actually, it is the other way round
>>- -I am *not* going to ask for an increase of my abuse nym account allowance
>>- -I configured my nym account to act as a fuse (MAX-count directive)
>> and it blows up before the 10 Mb limit
>>FYI, there is a "default" mail account associated with my NERIM account,
>> which acts as a honeypot
>> which lately received a few 100 Mb stuff
>> which I periodicall "ZAP" without reading/downloading
>> (my "ZAP_Mail" program is available on my WWW with other utilities)
>> and I use different addresses for real purposes
>>
>>There is no way I am going to peruse though thousands of mail to process a
>>"legitimate complaint", so basically it is a problem beween the ones who
>>flood/DoS my
>>abuse address and the "legitimate complainers" who can't reach it.
This, unfortunately, SUPPORTS the charge that Frog Admin does in fact side
with abusers. Frog Admin, the masterful filter maker who made filters for
his news server to rid it from thousands of flooding "troll" posts, didn't
even have it occur to him that he could do the same with his own mail
server!
Being smart and astute with his news server when doing so is to his
political advantage, but being stupid and cludgy with his mail server when
that too is to his political advantage, reeks of someone searching for ways
to create his own measure of plausible deniability to use in public
(a.p.a-s). It also, too conveniently, gives him freedom from addressing
ANY legitimate abuse complaints.
What's worse is, he's sending a LOUD invitation to abusers that they can
not only use his remailer to abuse anybody or any news group they feel
like, but at the same time they can destroy avenues of complaints for the
people they abuse. All that abusers need to do is flood Frog's abuse
address, then they can rest assured that ALL complaints about them will be
ZAPPED, and Frog Admin can rest assured that he won't have to deal with any
legitimate complaints. In effect, Frog is asking abusers to control the
viability of his abuse address to give him an excuse not to address abuse.
Intentional ignorance is no reason for plausible deniability, it's only an
excuse for claiming it. That Frog offers the abusers themselves a way of
delivering HIS plausible deniability for him says a lot about his political
stance on abuse issues.
Frog Admin chose his ignorance TOO carefully and TOO conveniently for
anyone to accept his cries of "plausible deniability" on abuse issues. So
basically it is NOT a problem between the ones who flood/DoS his abuse
address and the "legitimate complainers" who can't reach it. It's a
problem between Frog and those who won't accept his excuses for wanting to
ignore abuse complaints, and sheltering abusers. Furthermore, he's
expecting us to take his word that his mailbox is indeed constantly
flooded, which may not even be true.
That he uses nym accounts for his abuse complaints, which place limits on
the number of messages, and are often down, says he's delegating the least
amount of resources possible to address abuse. I knew a person like that,
he chose to use a cheap beat-up looking car because he figured his employer
would accept it as his excuse for always being late for work. Unknown to
the employer was the fact that the person used to be a master mechanic.
How can we accept Frog Admin's claims to be a master remop and managing
unbelievable remailer reliability and resources, while at the same time
accept that he can't even manage a reliable working abuse address? Simple,
he wants to be known as the master remop but doesn't want to deal with
abuse, yet he expects us to believe he wants both.
>>That is exactly what I point out in my headers:
>> 'by disabling my abuse address,
>> Gardner did hurt "legitimate complainers"
>> so if "legitimate complainers" are not happy with the situation
>> they know what/who the cause is'
>
>NONSENSE from Frog-Admin, as usual, trying to occupy frontstage with his
>pretense of
>knowledge
>
>HISTORY:
>That Frog-Admin bozo is a clown and a troll who has been looming around
>for over four
>years.
>
>Don't mistake a "regular" (non-troll) with a knowledgeable person: that
>self-proclaimed "non-security expert" is a remailer abuser. In the past,
>he proved
>himself unable to check an abuse complaint, and got ridicule from every single
>technical topic he wanted to talk about.
>Besides false or inaccurate or misleading technical misinformation, his
>posts are
>about his reviled traffic analysis, or for bashing anyone, including real
>people: he
>likes to quarrel with every one, and stir shit. Sometimes, it is even pure
>delirium
>(when he misses his pink champagne?)
>
>One of his last actions was to stage a hoax about his own mailbombing,
>just to try to
>grab some sympathy, after he had been exposed as a troll and technically
>incompetent.
>The worst being his teasing of Script-Kiddie until it triggered a new
>flood on apas.
>Of course, he refuses to apologize.
>Actually, the level of contempt he shows for non-remailer users:
> they give their names, while he doesn't
> that can't do anything against him, without being attacked.
>is in no way different from what is displayed by Pangborn, Burnore and the like
>
>Ignore him completely, killfile him, respect others' killfiles
>
>KILLFILE:
>To put him in your killfile, put "Author: Frog-Admin"
>That will make disappear both him and people who fornicate with him
>If you want to tell him to buzz off, or warn about him,
> use a nickname containing "Frog-Admin" (Frog-Admin Hater, Frog-Admin
>Sucks,...)
> to accomodate such killfile for "regulars", and still warn newbies
>
>COURAGE:
>Frog-Admin is getting _no_ answer from apas any more.
>He has to misuse abuse headers to try to grab some attention.
>Unfortunately it may never be gone.
Frog-Admin
The main service I was dealing with was in charge of crimes/offences in the press.
Which includes defamation/libel: they see *much* more than a fair share of *false* anonymous denonciations.
You also got to remember that the role of the French police (and French citizens at large) during WWII and German occupation was less than glorious, with its load of anonymous denunciations.
The "dark" side of anonymity is much-better known than its utility, over there.
While the criminal investigation went its pace, we had side conversations.
We agreed on the existence of both good sides and bad sides for anonymity, and that our different personal histories led us to different estimates of their respective weights.
I *probably* convinced them that I was not mean-intentioned.
The whole thing was more courteous, pleasant and interesting than *most* threads on apas, especially if you don't use a troll/flood-free newsserver for apas like frogadmin.yi.org:119
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Anonymous Sender
>
>PS-I'm glad you don't live in my country...if you had been "detained" by
>our neo-nazi leaders, you'd probably be taking a long vacation at
>Guantanamo Bay. :(
>
>-Kosh
another effete asshole heard from. This freak has a bleeding heart for
terrorists.
edo
wrote:
>Related to that case: CAMELEON
>A "Joel Sambuis" was arrested in Moscow last July, and it is
>apparently Cameleon,
> the operator of Cameleon remailer which was alive in '2000.
>He is supposed to be the mastermind behind "sos-racailles" and the whole ring.
>
> http://www.transfert.net/a9451?setc=1
>will give you a starter about what the allegations are about.
>Make you own mind if you want: the policemen who questioned me would
>not qualify all that as more than "allegations", and I certainly
>don't have first-hand information
Would you , or any French-speaking person, read that material and post
a digest?
I happened to like CAMELEON remailer a lot.
Tarapia Tapioco
Are you implying that every remop should expect to spend some time in
prison?
Nomen Nescio
>In article <Ymx1ZWpheQ==.dc2daca322fef6ba...@1066917173.cotse.net>
>"Bluejay" <Blu...@All.Mail.Is.Trashed> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>Do us all a favor and kill yourself, please.
First favor would be for himself, shorten his life of misery, envy and
shortcoming.
Second favor would be to his mother, his family.
Third favor would be to his teachers, neighbours.
We come distant fourth, but sure we would appreciate it too.
So would humanity at large, and maybe God Himself would appreciate His
creation to be bettered.
Frog
<comes...@ntani.firenze.linux.it> wrote:
>You fucking STUPID namby-pamby Bush haters. Why don't you take a look at
>http://riot.eu.org/anon/remap.html and notice how many fucking remailers
>are in operation in the US? Remailers in the US have a number of Supreme
>Court cases already decided that protect them from exactly what you're
>whining about. Like McIntyre v Ohio, for starters.
In case you didn't notice, Bush was nor *elected*, but *designated* by
the Supremes.
And that was just the "beginning of the end", abortion laws are to be
reverted soon.
So, I would not rely too much on McIntyre v Ohio, or anything like it.
The more remailers outside US jurisdiction, the better.
That's even more true with M2news, and a 3rd one outside US, like
Panta, is a godsend, even with hashcash.
Anonymous
>
>In case you didn't notice, Bush was nor *elected*, but *designated* by
>the Supremes.
maybe if you had a pacifier, you wouldn't be such a whining crybaby. The
Supreme Court wouldn't let Sore-Loserman steal the election, and you're
still whining.
>And that was just the "beginning of the end", abortion laws are to be
>reverted soon.
why are you you gay college boys so enamored of abortion? you can't get
your boyfriend pregnant
>So, I would not rely too much on McIntyre v Ohio, or anything like it.
>
>The more remailers outside US jurisdiction, the better.
>That's even more true with M2news, and a 3rd one outside US, like
>Panta, is a godsend, even with hashcash.
yes, outside the reach of the politicially correct left-wing McCarthyism
that runs this country
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
> Are you implying that every remop should expect to spend some time in
> prison?
It's a worst-case scenario. You don't need to 'expect' it but should keep
in mind that it could happen.
Another unlikely yet possible threat: If your remailer pisses off the
right nut on usenet, you'll have your personal stalker following you in
real-life.
Happy remailing!
Frog
wrote:
And the JEWS, you forgot the JEWS.
Why did you think SASSAMAN did what he did on 09/11?
Withdraw when he thought that would please his masters, and then come
back when his boss told him that he would be more useful undermining
it from within?
JEWS.
edo
Anonymous
Very good point.
>A remop may -
>- -be questioned by the police until he educates them
>- -receive hate mail and be bashed in apas until hell freezes
>but he won't be tear-gassed or beaten up or shot in a anti-xxx demonstration
>
>My story justs shows the *upper* level of inconvenience a French remop
>should expect, and I was just prepared to it.
Sorry you had to go through some crap.
Happy you came out winning.
Thanks for being there.
Same goes for the other rempos.
Anonymous Sender
>Any remailer operator which is not prepared to *some* level of
>inconvenience because of his/her activity should definitely find another hobby.
>A remop needs relatively little "technical" skills, and much more
>"political" will.
Very good point.
>A remop may -
>- -be questioned by the police until he educates them
>- -receive hate mail and be bashed in apas until hell freezes
>but he won't be tear-gassed or beaten up or shot in a anti-xxx demonstration
>
>My story justs shows the *upper* level of inconvenience a French remop
>should expect, and I was just prepared to it.
Sorry you had to go through this crap.
Frog-Admin
In France, you can be questioned for 2*24 hours for those death threats.
In China, Burma ...
In US ...
Any remop should be prepared to *some* level of inconvenience, questioning, the nature of it depending on the local laws.
Case closed, anyways
I would really like the bottom line to be:
"It's *not* illegal to run a remailer under French law.
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Bluejay
French Government.
How is it possible for Frog to endure and remain uncompromised under
such a system such as he himself describes in this post from June, 2000?
His remailer operates under the French authorities, and he is left
to his own devices as long as he fractures the remailer system and
destroys apas with his floods containing explicit details of homosexual
acts.
How does any remop in his right mind condemn the very people who have
developed Mixmaster, QuickSilver, and the coming Mixminion?
He consistently seeks to destroy all the older, trusted, pre 9/11
remailers by libeling and slandering their remops. It is impossible
for anyone who holds an open mind to miss the myriad of methods
being used by Frog/France to end apas and totally compromise the
remailer system.
It is perfectly clear to me that Frog, as Christian Mock (austria) has
said, is the greatest danger to the remailer system.
* "I consider frog to be a bigger danger to the remailer network than
the danger of a network split."
http://freedom.gmsociety.org/pipermail/remops/2003-July/012806.html
Here is Frog's post, detailing the power of the French censors.
(I ask again, how he can be the only one operating a remailer under
these restrictions, when every other frenchman finds it impossible.)
http://www.google.com/groups?q=insubject:Re:+insubject:WACRENIETTE+
insubject::+insubject:Beta+insubject:version+insubject:on+insubject:
test+author:frog-admin&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=r&selm=200006210533
.FAA25057%40berlin.neuropa.net&rnum=1
Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/rybh
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On 21 Jun 2000, squi...@echelon.alias.net (Nemo ) wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:17:19 +0400, Anti-ce...@usenet.fr wrote:
>
>>The famous "wacreniette" (from the name of Wacrenier, Fuhrer of french
>>cenSSors), is currently working in a beta release.
>>
>>ALL posts on fr.usenet.abus.d and fr.soc.politique are automatically
>>cancelled as soon as they are posted.
>
>What's the point. Most servers don't accept cancels anymore.
>If you want to fuck up a group, flood it with garbage.
You are misinformed about the "local" situation in France
*all* posts from M2news, altopia, supernews.... *all* non-french providers
to fr. newsgroups are *rejected* and do not show on french newsservers
*all* posts made with Frog through its ISP were cancelled by "Wacrenier"
*all* french newsservers accept cancels
There are two factors
there is no First Amendment in France
in the opposite there is a tradition *for* censorship
some tekkies in charge of newsservers are quite low-level in France
"Wacrenier" for example is famous for his childish spelling
and his 2-sentences 0-content posts
properly ticking the box to generate a cancel is their greatest achievement
and because there is not much to say in favor of censorship anyways
the "best" is to censor posts which denounce it
==========================================================================
Hence the idea of "Wacreniette"
(there are at least three different projects)
(I am participating in another team)
Making the most ignorant NewB able to
automatically generate hundreds or thousands of cancels and complaints
When even the most non-controversial fr. newsgroup will be empty
(let us take fr.rec.cuisine: about cooking for example)
because everyone will happily cancel *any* message he has to object
(muslims will cancel posts about alcohol,
jews will cancel posts about pork,
hindus will cancel posts about beef
vegetarians will cancel posts about poultry and fish
carnivorians will retaliate by cancelling anything about vegies
and the remaining messages will be deleted
by those concerned about hunger in the world)
at *that* moment french providers *might* reconsider acceptance of cancels
And when hundreds of automatically-generated complaints will pile
at each french abuse department about the 10-20 self-appointed netcops
who terrorize fr. usenet, the netcops *might* be the ones forced to shut up
==========================================================================
BTW
I strongly suspect the same fr. netcops to have created most of the "illegal" posts
at the beginning of Frog's life.
The mere 5% of total traffic bound to France had generated 95% of complaints at my ISP's.
Those posts stopped when I warned the suspects that
I would OUT them and SUE them if caught (by me)
I would suggest the police to monitor THEIR outbound mails.
(One of my favorite daydreams/fantasies is that I actually catch one)
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Anonymous
Lunatic REFERENCES line fuckups DELETED!
>His remailer operates under the French authorities, and he is left
>to his own devices as long as he fractures the remailer system and
>destroys apas with his floods containing explicit details of homosexual
>acts.
HOMOSEXUAL ACTS? God Forbid!!
The blacks were eager to get back to their captives. There was much to be
done before the nightly lockdown, when the captives would be thrown down the
stairs of the zoo, where they would hopefully stumble back to their
respective groups to relate their tails of woe.
Henry had decreed that the victims be made to wait one hour before the
festivities could begin and that hour was now up.
Five inmates piled back into Bluejay's cell. The Spanish boy had been praying
to God for forgiveness for the horrible things he had done in the past. He
had taken his hour to regret every scared young guy he had participated in
introducing into the darker side of prison life.
He promised God that if he survived this he would try to make it up to them
somehow. He had no idea how to go about it, but was sure he would find a
way.
Bluejay heard them laughing and apparently getting undressed behind him. Then
he felt a hard slap on his ass. "Yeah, bitch we are gonna do you up nice." A
deep, black voice said slapping him again, "I get to go first on that smooth
pussy you got."
"Man PUNK that bitch!" Another shouted as they all started to scream at him
at once,
"Show that rice eating motherfucker all about black dick, punk
motherfucker!" Five sets of hands slapped, pinched, and punched at him.
"Bitch motherfucker!" a hard slap to his thigh
"Yo TURN that niggah out!"
"Skinhead's PUNK!" a punch to the side that knocked the wind out of him.
"White Man's bitch!"
And so it continued, in a barrage of insults, punctuated by blows to his
body
Bluejay then felt a rough finger thrust up his asshole. Unlike the pleasure he
had been starting to feel with Troy, there was no pleasure now. Only an
extreme, urgent unpleasantness that Bluejay was quite sure would be screaming
pain before long.
A slap to his face got him to open his eyes. There was a large, thick,
sagging dark cock about a half-inch away from his face. He turned his head,
only to have a rough black hand turn it back to face the open cell. He
struggled, trying to get his bound hands free.
Bluejay clamped his mouth shut, but two long, dirty fingers pried his lips
open with another strong hand clamping on his jaw like a vice. It wasn't the
pain in his jaw that got Bluejay to open his mouth, however, it was the now,
five fingers up his ass. It seemed like somebody was trying to fit his whole
fist in there!
Bluejay screamed so loud, he instantly hurt his throat.
"Man stuff something in that bitches mouth!" said the guy from behind who
was still unable to get his whole hand inside Bluejay. He kept trying.
"Yo I got something for you bitch!" The guy at his mouth, succeeded in
getting his huge cock down Bluejay's throat, keeping his fingers at Bluejay's
lips and his other hand still clamped threateningly at Bluejay's jaw.
So this was what Troy had saved him from? This was what would happen to him
probably for days at a time if not for the skinhead's protection? Bluejay had
never wished more strongly for Troy's presence. He made another promise to
himself, as the guy at his ass gave up trying with his fist, and instead
settled for his cock.
He promised himself that the next time he saw Troy he would kiss his feet
and beg him never to leave.
The guy fucking his ass was slapping him as he drove what felt to be a cock
the size of a telephone pole into Bluejay. He felt it travel into his body,
deeper than seemed possible. The weight on his back from the black guy
pumping his ass was also painful.
In fact so many different painful things overwhelmed Bluejay at once that he
couldn't keep track. He could only focus on whatever hurt most for that
second. One moment it might be the cock in his ass that now felt like it was
hitting some organ and doing internal damage, and the next it was a
cigarette burn to his back.
The guy in his mouth came all over his face, and was replaced by another,
equally large cock. The second guy slapped Bluejay's face the entire time he
was forced to such that cock, causing Bluejay's nose to start bleeding.
The guy on his back came in a loud roar and after a moment, rolled off him.
He was quickly replaced by another, and then another. Bluejay's ordeal only
lasted about three hours, but to him it felt like a lifetime. Whoever wasn't
fucking or getting sucked by him at any given moment, spent that time either
punching him, burning his tender flesh, which was now covered in the sweat
of pain, with a cigarette. At one point he was aware of a guy jerking off to
the side, and cuming on his back, which made the cigarette burns sting.
Bluejay passed out shortly after the fourth one mounted his ass.
Fritz Wuehler
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
--------------------------------------------------------
In article <e1a7cb51d0df1029...@paranoici.org>
Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> Can someone post the total tally of broken links to and from FROG? This is
> what I've got so far:
>
Who cares? Delete Frog's keys and be done with the damn instigator.
Either that, or go "private" with him and bugger each other to your
heart's content.
Nomen Nescio
wrote:
POOR NIGGERS!
Did anybody already underwent such level of sexual frustration that he
would even remotely contemplate acts of bestiality with a BlueJay?
POOR NIGGERS!
starwars
Very good point.
>A remop may -
>- -be questioned by the police until he educates them
>- -receive hate mail and be bashed in apas until hell freezes
>but he won't be tear-gassed or beaten up or shot in a anti-xxx demonstration
>
>My story justs shows the *upper* level of inconvenience a French remop
>should expect, and I was just prepared to it.
Sorry you had to go through some crap.