Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
EL
[EL]
To all members of physics news groups.
Never be intimidated by people like:
"Dirk Van de moortel" or some other crank who keeps a file of
psychopathic food.
If you think for a moment about the cause of self-appointing as a
judge who may condemn others, you shall realise that those pests are
incompetent and they harbour a lack of confidence.
They do not have sound arguments most of the time and they feel the
need of a weapon to intimidate others when their logic fails in a
debate.
Be assured that those trolls are just vulnerable humans and they are
neither gods nor authority by any measures.
In fact, only an idiot would waste his time in keeping a web page of
clips cut out of context as fumbles. It only gives him a psychological
illusion of superiority that never existed or shall ever exist.
Never fear them.
Face them and confront them.
Kick their ass by sound logic and good argument.
Let them feel how small they really are.
Get enlisted in their fumbles because once you are inside there there
is nothing more he can do.
Yet you can always make him eat shit by your sound argument any time
you wish.
Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
EL
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"EL" <hem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
Thank you for sharing your opinion of Dirk. I regard him in even
more esteem. It was nice of you to make a separate post in
alt.sci.physics as well.
It is a terrible shame that you feel so threatened by him.
*plonk*
David A. Smith
Traveler
\(formerly\)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote:
>Dear EL:
>
>"EL" <hem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7563cb80.03020...@posting.google.com...
>> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
>
>Thank you for sharing your opinion of Dirk. I regard him in even
>more esteem.
IOW, you kiss Dick Van de merde's ass. Don't be ashamed. Just say it
like it is.
Louis Savain
-------------------------------------------------
Temporal Intelligence:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/louis.savain/AI/Temporal_Intelligence.htm
The Silver Bullet:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/louis.savain/AI/Reliability.htm
Nasty Little Truth About Spacetime Physics:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/louis.savain/Crackpots/notorious.htm
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"Traveler" <trav...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <BEj1a.13194$LW1.6...@news1.west.cox.net>,
"dl...@aol.com
> \(formerly\)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >Dear EL:
> >
> >"EL" <hem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:7563cb80.03020...@posting.google.com...
> >> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
> >
> >Thank you for sharing your opinion of Dirk. I regard him in
even
> >more esteem.
>
> IOW, you kiss Dick Van de merde's ass. Don't be ashamed. Just
say it
> like it is.
I will. You are silly.
David A. Smith
Tom Potter
"EL" <hem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7563cb80.03020...@posting.google.com...
> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
> [EL]
> To all members of physics news groups.
> If you think for a moment about the cause of self-appointing as a
> judge who may condemn others, you shall realise that those pests are
> incompetent and they harbour a lack of confidence.
> They do not have sound arguments most of the time and they feel the
> need of a weapon to intimidate others when their logic fails in a
> debate.
Very good point!
The posters who use direct (insults), and indirect (Lists), ad hominem
to try to demean the folks whose views make them feel uncomfortable,
do so, because they lack sound arguments.
Their actions are analogous to gorilla's thumping on their chests,
or chimps tossing leaves.
Perhaps such people should be pitied,
as it is their fear (Of some idea),
incompetence ( In coping with the idea in a rational manner),
and family upbringing (Which caused them to be maladjusted),
that compels them to resort to such methods.
Although civilized folks should pity them,
civilized folks cannot allow maladjusted people to
dominate governments, media, newsgroups, etc.
--
Tom Potter http://www.tompotter.ws
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Old Man
news:3e45...@post.newsfeed.com...
> to try to demean the folks whose views make them feel uncomfortable,
> do so, because they lack sound arguments.
Crackpots are infamous for their fabrications, including
the fabrication above. Besides, to put this lie over, Potter
needs accumulated credibility, of which he has none on
sci.physics. [Old Man]
Dirk Van de moortel
Wow, it has opened a new thread.
Well, for those who have missed the fun:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html#AndersonLogic
Brilliant precedent. Absolutely brilliant :-)
Do not hesitate to have a go at the other fumbles. Please?
And when you finally realize that you made an idiot of yourself
in front of so many people, archived for eternity, take another
fake name and try again.
Dirk Vdm
Spaceman
"dl...@aol.com (formerly)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote in message news:BEj1a.13194$LW1.6...@news1.west.cox.net...
> Dear EL:
>
> "EL" <hem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7563cb80.03020...@posting.google.com...
> > Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
>
> Thank you for sharing your opinion of Dirk. I regard him in even
> more esteem.
Then,
that is known as "backing up the bully".
It is sad you think Dork has anything "as was stated with context." on that site.
Mr Smith,
you are a bully's "ass kisser".
Spaceman
"Old Man" <nom...@nomail.net> wrote in message news:3e4601c7_3@newsfeed...
Old Man,
Tom Potter has more credibility than any Old Man
that has "no proof" of his lists credibility at all.
Spaceman
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i0s1a.39961$Jd....@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> Wow, it has opened a new thread.
> Well, for those who have missed the fun:
> http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html#AndersonLogic
>
> Brilliant precedent. Absolutely brilliant :-)
Hey Dirk,
you are one of the -1*-1 =1 folks.
Why don't you see he is only backing up your bad math in that statement
of
x=-x
?
-x*-x= ?
x^2?
the same as
x*x =
huh?
<LOL>
Dirk will either wake up,
Or some "nobody" will sail the world and show him it is not flat.
<LOL>
Titan Point
> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
>
You're a poet and you didn't know it!
"Never be rude to an Arab...."
Titan Point
Your upset because I shot down your clock god. Dipwad! GR and SR is puke.
Get Real!
Im not wrong. Wake up you dingaling.
I can only laugh at you now. Your just pissed off because I disproved your
clock god. Dingbat!
Your mad at me because I sunk your time religion.
What a bunch!
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
http://www.realspaceman.com
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"Spaceman" <agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
news:uiu1a.49657$vm2.26220@rwcrnsc54...
You at least say what you think to my "face". EL has spewed this
in places, in un-referenced places, where he is defaming Dirk's
character. If you don't believe that he did this, look for a
title of the same name in alt.sci.physics. Note the distribution
of this message. I have not seen Dirk post there in the 8 months
I've been monitoring it. Now why would EL do that there (and how
many other places), if it were not just to hurt Dirk?
You may consider me anything you like. I expect if you have a
problem with *me*, you will tell *me*. If you spray your opinion
of me across the Universe, I expect you to have the grace to tell
me. I will do the same for you, and anyone else I might hold ill
feelings against.
It is my opinion that Dirk told EL something EL did not feel like
hearing, EL apparently feels like the unmoderated newsgroups are
his private bulletin board, so he told us all how hurt he was.
Nice to know you have joined in his little pitty party.
So am I now beneath your contempt as well? Note that about 5
days ago, I kissed EL's ass as well...
David A. Smith
Spaceman
"dl...@aol.com (formerly)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote in message news:f4w1a.17554$LW1.8...@news1.west.cox.net...
> Dear Spaceman:
>
> "Spaceman" <agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
> news:uiu1a.49657$vm2.26220@rwcrnsc54...
> > you are a bully's "ass kisser".
>
> You at least say what you think to my "face". EL has spewed this
> in places, in un-referenced places, where he is defaming Dirk's
> character.
Dirk deserves it David,
He is a mere bully and anyone punching back at him was brought
about by his "bully-ness".
> If you don't believe that he did this, look for a
> title of the same name in alt.sci.physics. Note the distribution
> of this message. I have not seen Dirk post there in the 8 months
> I've been monitoring it. Now why would EL do that there (and how
> many other places), if it were not just to hurt Dirk?
Dirk is a puke that refuses to learn or actually "try to learn"
I could care less if EL posted it on a New York City buildings
ticker tape sign.
> You may consider me anything you like. I expect if you have a
> problem with *me*, you will tell *me*. If you spray your opinion
> of me across the Universe, I expect you to have the grace to tell
> me. I will do the same for you, and anyone else I might hold ill
> feelings against.
You are fighting for a bully David,
You are backing up a jerk.
that only makes you an accomplice.
> It is my opinion that Dirk told EL something EL did not feel like
> hearing, EL apparently feels like the unmoderated newsgroups are
> his private bulletin board, so he told us all how hurt he was.
> Nice to know you have joined in his little pitty party.
Dirk is the "pitty party wannabe"
and you are only joining his party.
> So am I now beneath your contempt as well? Note that about 5
> days ago, I kissed EL's ass as well...
So stop kissing any asses.
and don't back up jerks.
El has his rights to post whatever he wants.
Are you saying he should not have this right?
Please note,
I do not back all El's statements and I only
agree that Dirk is a bully and jerk.
and if you back Dirk's jerkness,
you are also one.
He has nothing to contribute to this group when he
posts his stupid website links.
Do you really think he does?
Uncle Al
>
> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
Fine. Uncle Al invites you to be intimidated by psychologists,
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
and for good reason,
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kinho/youare.swf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)
If you can't cite a refereed literature reference, you are dogmeat.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"Spaceman" <Agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
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>
> "dl...@aol.com (formerly)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:f4w1a.17554$LW1.8...@news1.west.cox.net...
> > Dear Spaceman:
> >
> > "Spaceman" <agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
> > news:uiu1a.49657$vm2.26220@rwcrnsc54...
> > > Mr Smith,
> > > you are a bully's "ass kisser".
> >
> > You at least say what you think to my "face". EL has spewed
this
> > in places, in un-referenced places, where he is defaming
Dirk's
> > character.
>
> Dirk deserves it David,
> He is a mere bully and anyone punching back at him was brought
> about by his "bully-ness".
I have seen him be very rude... to the person's "face". I have
never seen him dally in slander attacks, very much behind these
person's backs.
> > If you don't believe that he did this, look for a
> > title of the same name in alt.sci.physics. Note the
distribution
> > of this message. I have not seen Dirk post there in the 8
months
> > I've been monitoring it. Now why would EL do that there (and
how
> > many other places), if it were not just to hurt Dirk?
>
> Dirk is a puke that refuses to learn or actually "try to learn"
> I could care less if EL posted it on a New York City buildings
> ticker tape sign.
I understand your point of view. How would you feel if it was
done to you, in every city of whatever nation you reside, and not
just in the city in which you live?
I personally feel this behaviour is beneath comtempt.
> > You may consider me anything you like. I expect if you have
a
> > problem with *me*, you will tell *me*. If you spray your
opinion
> > of me across the Universe, I expect you to have the grace to
tell
> > me. I will do the same for you, and anyone else I might hold
ill
> > feelings against.
>
> You are fighting for a bully David,
> You are backing up a jerk.
> that only makes you an accomplice.
I am voting my conscience. I fully expect you to vote yours,
when the time comes and the spirit moves you. I have blocked my
sight from any further posts from EL. Since he does not care
what other persons he slanders, he can say anything he likes
about me as well. And he can say it in "my town". I had tried
reasoning with him, and were at least friendly.
>
> > It is my opinion that Dirk told EL something EL did not feel
like
> > hearing, EL apparently feels like the unmoderated newsgroups
are
> > his private bulletin board, so he told us all how hurt he
was.
> > Nice to know you have joined in his little pitty party.
>
> Dirk is the "pitty party wannabe"
> and you are only joining his party.
Dirk is not the issue. EL's behaviour is the issue. IMHO, he
can "make up" by simply providing a *complete* list of his
weapons of mass destruction, no wait, of where he has posted this
particular piece of venting. I do NOT expect him to withdraw a
single word of what he has said. I will NOT edit his thoughts.
I do expect him to be up front with those with whom he deals. If
he does not do this, then I do not choose to deal with him.
> > So am I now beneath your contempt as well? Note that about 5
> > days ago, I kissed EL's ass as well...
>
> So stop kissing any asses.
> and don't back up jerks.
>
> El has his rights to post whatever he wants.
> Are you saying he should not have this right?
> Please note,
> I do not back all El's statements and I only
> agree that Dirk is a bully and jerk.
> and if you back Dirk's jerkness,
> you are also one.
>
> He has nothing to contribute to this group when he
> posts his stupid website links.
> Do you really think he does?
Spaceman, every one of us is made of meat (whether that is all we
are is not germane). There is death written on our birth. We
don't *need* to worry about each other. But this is what I
expect of you, and EL, and Dirk. I expect us to say it like we
see it, and say it to each other's face.
I also expect us to keep in mind that our writings are being
stored on a hard disk we did not pay for, and is being preserved
for future generations. I'd like to think that personal attacks
would be directed, and not spewed. This is a precious gift, to
be able to share the insights of "those who can access it" no
matter where they are in the world. Even EL's feeling about
Dirk, kept under some voluntary control.
But do it to his face, or do it off line to your family.
David A. Smith
Traveler
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>EL wrote:
>>
>> Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
>[snip]
>
>Fine. Uncle Al invites you to be intimidated by psychologists,
Uncle Adolf honks the rigid cock of Satan and dreams of running over
Mexicans and blacks.
Spaceman
"dl...@aol.com (formerly)" <)dl...@cox.net> wrote in message news:jsx1a.18430$LW1.8...@news1.west.cox.net...
> Dear Spaceman:
Snipped ignorance of Dirk's bullyness,
Nevermind David,
I can see you would rather back up the bully who started it
than help the people he is bullying.
I pity that fault of yours.
you are closing your eyes to Dirk being a Jerk at all.
(EL has bigger guns)
Whoop de doo.
I think he is wrong in some things he states,
but on this,
He hit the target right on the money spot.
Too bad you refuse to see his perfect aim.
Bruce Pew
You are a friggin idiot [arrogant knucklehead]. This is sci.relativity
so with that in mind it becomes quite clear that Dirk has it together
and you don't. You wouldn't recognize a good argument if it kicked you
in the balls. Being a retired professor of biochemistry gives you
'zero' authority when discussing relativity. My guess is you sucked as
a prof also.
Dirk Van de moortel
"Bruce Pew" <va...@cox.net> wrote in message news:45534f09.03020...@posting.google.com...
Huh?
A retired professor of biochemistry?
You are kidding, right?
I though I was dealing with a kid that just discovered about
truth tables.
Those poor students :-(
Dirk Vdm
Old Man
Old Man's credibility gives the sci.physics Crackpot
List it's credibility. Spacenut loses credibility with
every post he submits. [Old Man]
Spaceman
"Old Man" <nom...@nomail.net> wrote in message news:3e470086_3@newsfeed...
> Old Man's credibility gives the sci.physics Crackpot
> List it's credibility. Spacenut loses credibility with
> every post he submits. [Old Man]
And what credibility is that Old Man?
Anonymous "no name" credibility huh?
<LOL>
--
James M Driscoll Jr.
Spaceman
Bruce Pew
Molecular biochemistry and molecular cell biology. Maybe not
'retired', possibly just 'former'. EL mentions this in a post at
sci.research [Feb. 5th, 'Tensile strength' of ultra pure water?]. Adds
weight to Minor Cranks observation that crankdom wrt relativity [or
any subject] doesn't neccessarily mean that an individual is relegated
to a 'state of crankdom' for all domains.
The World Wide Wade
va...@cox.net (Bruce Pew) wrote:
> You are a friggin idiot [arrogant knucklehead]. This is sci.relativity
> so with that in mind it becomes quite clear that Dirk has it together
> and you don't. You wouldn't recognize a good argument if it kicked you
> in the balls. Being a retired professor of biochemistry gives you
> 'zero' authority when discussing relativity. My guess is you sucked as
> a prof also.
So where was EL a biochem prof, when did he retire, and when did the PCP
experiments begin?
EL
Some how my POWERFUL memory is telling me that we had an ad hominem
interaction in which you ended up as the bastard brother of Whinnie
the Pooh. Since my elite memory is positively sure that I gave you the
honour of eating honey with your bear's bare hand it does not
surprise me to find you extremely blinded and pissed off to fart such
an extremely offensive smelling fart like we see in that post of
yours.
One of my nick names is "professor logic" and I deserved it rather
than earned it due to my instinctive tendency to evaluate every
argument logically.
Now that your motivations had been exposed, the value of your argument
goes to the garbage bin right beside you.
Your time is up.
Close the door behind you on your way out.
EL
EL
>
> A retired professor of biochemistry?
> You are kidding, right?
> I though I was dealing with a kid that just discovered about
> truth tables.
> Those poor students :-(
>
> Dirk Vdm
In other words Mr. Dirt, you are in deep shit.
You take all people rather superficially and you jerk into unfounded
conclusions.
When you "discover" the only "tables" of truth in your house, you
shall find them made of wood.
I have the feeling that your truth tables are covered with meet sauce
and spaghetti.
You do not have the power of exacting your mind to any serious stance
or ethical arguments.
All that I invited you to debate was if you had *strong enough*
reasons to ridicule Androcles if a professor pointed out to you that
there was a good reason to mislead the poor guy into thinking that
Paul made a mistake.
I pointed out to you that there WAS a formality ambiguity, but rather
than coping with the facts you preferred to behave like a psychopathic
child that was caught sacking shit and sucking on his thumb before
washing his hand.
You had been encouraged many times to grow up and face the
consequences of mocking others and you failed to be brave enough to
admit your biased behaviour. You continue to demonstrate stubbornness
and silliness, which is a typical childish behaviour and you are
projecting your childish behaviour on others while you provide
increasing evidence of your immaturity.
P.S. Just for the record, the results of my class students exams were
always above 90% A and A+, while those of lesser abilities, in worst
cases had B while the C was given to less than 2%, and that was for 5
continuous years.
If those students were "poor" then for sure we all wish to be THAT
poor.
So I may conclude that you do not have the wish to grow up and discuss
matters like adults do.
professor EL still has many tricks and the relentlessness to force you
to grow up through the experience of pain.
You shall not understand now but you shall feel it in the right time.
I may be very painful as much as an antibiotic in the powder form
dissolved in oil and injected into the Gluteus maximus.
EL
EL
> EL wrote:
> >
> > Never be intimidated by a jerk like Dirk.
> [snip]
>
> Fine. Uncle Al invites you to be intimidated by psychologists,
An invitation!
Are you there right now being intimidated by a psychologist?
Did he suggest for you to post this or are you doing it behind his
back?
It is sad that you still see psychologists as intimidating after all
those years of therapy AL.
You should be grateful to the asylum that shelters really, and do not
forget that you were allowed to use that computer in the library.
<snip the sick referencing>
>
> If you can't cite a refereed literature reference, you are dogmeat.
[EL]
If you can't do anything else than cite a refereed literature
reference, you are dog-bone.
P. S.
(A teasing reminder of your personal FUMBLE that the jerk Dirk of the
dirt missed)
3:3:3
;-)
A painful reminder AL.
EL the invincible. :)
Bruce Pew
Your nickname in this newsgroup is 'dumbass'. I'm still waiting for
your proof that the speed of light is not a constant wrt all inertial
frames of reference. Do yourself a favor and don't start by assuming
that either one of your wavefronts is propagaing at 2c relative to the
other wavefront.
EL
[EL]
I said that your time was up.
And don't let the door touch your stinking ass when you slam the door
Hayek
Bruce Pew wrote:
Surely your joking, Mr Pew.
You mean IN all inertial frames of reference...
Your Hayek.
--
The small particles wave at
the big stars and get noticed.
:-)
Paul Cardinale
Simple algebra questions that spacemanure can't answer:
1. Is (a - b) = (a + (-b))?
2. Is (a - b) * (c - d) = a*c - a*d - b*c + b*d,
or is:
(a - b) * (c - d) = a*c - a*d - b*c - b*d?
or it something else? (what?)
Paul Cardinale
Spaceman
"Paul Cardinale" <pcard...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:64050551.0302...@posting.google.com...
And Paul still does not get
math without the "reals" is abstracted bullshit from nothing only.
Where are you :"reals" Paul?
what is the a
what is the b
what is the c
what is the d
??
without the reals presented first.
1+3 = 1 can be shown to be true after the reals are presented.
1 quart + 3 quarts = 1 Gallon.
Go shove your "non real" math where the Sun don't shine.
Bruce Pew
In other words your proof is nonexistant. Already knew that.
Jim Roberts
"Spaceman" <Agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
> And Paul still does not get
> math without the "reals" is abstracted bullshit from nothing only.
>
> Where are you :"reals" Paul?
> what is the a
> what is the b
> what is the c
> what is the d
> ??
>
> without the reals presented first.
> 1+3 = 1 can be shown to be true after the reals are presented.
> 1 quart + 3 quarts = 1 Gallon.
> Go shove your "non real" math where the Sun don't shine.
Apparently you can't do simple addition even with 'reals' since you didn't
even bother to make sure all the quantities were in the same units.
EL
> > > > Your time is up.
> > > > Close the door behind you on your way out.
> > > >
> > > > EL\
> >
> > I said that your time was up.
> > And don't let the door touch your stinking ass when you slam the door
> > behind you on your way out.
> > EL
>
> In other words your proof is nonexistant. Already knew that.
No need to raise your voice in the corridor Mr. Pew.
Thank you for closing the door though.
Your time is up.
Now shut your stinking mouth too. :)
EL
Paul Cardinale
Thus spacemanure demonstrates that he can't do simple
junior-high-school level algebra.
Paul Cardinale
Spaceman
"Paul Cardinale" <pcard...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:64050551.0302...@posting.google.com...
> junior-high-school level algebra.
Your insults demonstrate you have no proof I am wrong.
Thanks!
Mathew Orman
"Spaceman" <Agents...@aol.combination> wrote in message
What he says is that first you teach children the false algebra
than when the go to college they would learn the true Lorentz-Einstein
algebra.
:)
Dear scientists,
please share this undisputable evidence of Einstein's fallacy!
It will help restore the logical common sense reasoning in scientific
communities
thus allowing the progress of civilization to continue with out legacy of
dark ages!
Einstein new that Doppler in Lorentz give asymmetric shifts so he..
..invented his own version of Doppler theory,
but he overlooked one small detail.
Yes,
The Maxwell laws could not be altered using Lorentz equation!
Lorentz has defined an absolute function.
But Maxwell didn't state that his laws confirms the absolute property of
space.
Maxwell defined propagation speed of EM wave relative to source.
And he did it long before Einstein has invented his absolute property of
space.
The magnetic field and electric field component in the near field propagates
with infinite speed.
The effect manifestoes it self in the following way:
The EM wave's propagation speed is infinite at the center of radiation
(center of radiating antenna)
and gradually decreases into speed of c at the end of near field.
For the magnetic field emitted by coil inductor antenna which is
substantially smaller than the wavelength,
the effect of infinite speed of change of the field gradient shows no
decries throughout the near field range.
As observed in the experiment ( no variation in signal phase with distance
from the center of coil).
This spells The End of Einstein's era.
The Einstein's theory has now been proven False!
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
ps.Some detail are listed below
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Franz Heymann wrote:
> From Wabnig's last note on the subject, it appears thatgengineers and
> physicists have different concepts of "near" and "far" fields.
> The physicist's near and far fields are the two field terms associated
> with an elementary dipole oscillator, as I indicated.
You are right, that there are shades of meaning
the the words "near field". I think of it thus:
The field around the dipole can be decomposed into
two pieces. An evanescent part and the rest of it.
Near the dipole, the evanescent part is strong, but it
dies out more quickly with distance than the other part.
This corresponds roughly to near field and far field.
In Ormand's case, the non-propagating evanescent part
dominates the rest, so it is no surprise that as he
moves his pick up coil around he sees no phase shift.
By any definition, he is completely immersed in the
near field.
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If you are one in a million, there are 6000 people just like
you.
Local optimization almost never yields global optimization.
Opinions expressed here are my own and may not represent those of my
employer.
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Franz Heymann wrote:
<snip>
> You have snipped withoutsaying so.
Sorry Franz, I thought it was obvious and did not
change the meaning. I've always used the convention
that if I only snip from the beginning and the end
(no snipping in the middle so as to juxtapose words
that weren't) it is not necessary to explicitly say so.
I will endeavor to be more careful when I quote you,
but let me apologize in advance if my old habits
sometimes return.
> The part you snipped contains the correct inference that since both
> the fields contain the same time-dependence, namely
> (t-r/c)
> That is sufficient to prove that both fields are propagated with phase
> speed c.
> No further arguments can change that fact.
Franz, you broke the total field into two pieces that
you called near field and far field and showed that each
when considered separately appears to travel at c. That
is a useful but arbitrary separation of the field into
components.
I broke those components up into more components
and showed that some of the apparently propagating
components actually canceled each other. I combined
them to show that the composite resembled a
non propagating field for small r. Or to put it
another way, I can also separate the total field into
two arbitrary components with one being a non propagating
component which I call the near field.
The difference is that my near field expression
suggests that the phase of the near field is constant
and not a linear function of r, whereas a casual
examination of your expressions suggest that the phase
would be a linearly increasing function of r at all
distances.
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Thank you for reading and or replying
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you.
Local optimization almost never yields global optimization.
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employer.
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Franz Heymann wrote:
> H_phi = [ lambda A / (2 pi r^2) cos w(t-r/c)] - A/r sin w(t-r/c)
> where A depends on the amplitude of the dipole moment
looking in Balanis, "Antenna Theory",1997, p207
he has the near field and far field with the same
multiplier, so dropping common multiplicative constants
and letting w/c = k what is left is
= (1/kr) [ 1 / kr] cos(wt-kr) - 1/kr [1 - 1/(kr)^2] sin
(wt-kr)
using trig identities
= (1/kr) [ 1 / kr ] [ cos(wt) cos(kr) + sin(wt)sin(kr)]
- 1/kr [1 - 1/(kr)^2] [ sin (wt)cos(kr) - cos(wr)sin(kr)]
= (1/kr) [ 1 / kr ] [ cos(wt) cos(kr) + sin(wt)sin(kr)]
1/kr [1 - 1/(kr)^2] [-sin (wt)cos(kr) + cos(wr)sin(kr)]
gather similar terms
= (1/kr) cos(wt) [cos(kr)/kr + (1 - 1/(kr)^2)sin(kr) ]
+(1/kr) sin(wt) [sin(kr)/kr - (1 - 1/(kr)^2)cos(kr) ]
assuming r => 0,
approximate cos(kr) = 1 - (kr)^2
sin(kr) = kr
= (1/kr) cos(wt) [(1 - (kr)^2)/kr + (1 - 1/(kr)^2)(kr) ]
+(1/kr) sin(wt) [(kr)/kr - (1 - 1/(kr)^2)(1 - (kr)^2) ]
= (1/kr) cos(wt) [1/kr - kr + kr - 1/kr ]
+(1/kr) sin(wt) [-1 +(kr)^2 + 1/(kr)^2 ]
= (1/kr) sin(wt) [-1 +(kr)^2 + 1/(kr)^2 ]
and since we've lost the cos(wt) term, what is left looks
like a non propagating constant phase field.
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If you are one in a million, there are 6000 people just like
you.
Local optimization almost never yields global optimization.
Opinions expressed here are my own and may not represent those of my
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"Roy McCammon" <rbmcc...@mmm.com> wrote in message
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> Franz Heymann wrote:
> >
> > "Roy McCammon" <rbmcc...@mmm.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E42E349...@mmm.com...
> > > Franz Heymann wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> > > > the fields contain the same time-dependence, namely
> > > > (t-r/c)
> > > > That is sufficient to prove that both fields are propagated with
> > phase
> > > > speed c.
> > > > No further arguments can change that fact.
>
> <snip>
>
>
> respected colleague
>
> that is not a sufficient condition. I can decompose
> a zero field into two equal but opposite valued traveling
> components. Even though the components are traveling,
> the field is not.
>
>
> < snip >
>
> > Both the "induction field" and the radiation field, to give them their
> > proper names, propagate a the same speed because of what you call
> > "the phase would be a linearly increasing function of r at all
> > distances.
> > The significant difference between them is that the induction field
> > falls off as 1/r^2 and the radiation fieldfalls off as 1/r
>
> If you look at a traveling wave, like a plane wave,
> the zero crossings appear to progress though space
> as a function of time. Its phase is a linear function
> of distance.
>
> If you look at a standing wave, the zero crossings stay
> in one place. The phase of a standing wave is a constant
> independent of position.
>
> The field near a small dipole is dominated by a standing
> wave
> that appears to be constant phase.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thank you for reading and or replying
>
> If you are one in a million, there are 6000 people just like
> you.
> Local optimization almost never yields global optimization.
>
>
>
> Opinions expressed here are my own and may not represent those of my
employer.
>
And you can easily visualize this doing the following mind experiment:
In the frame of experiment:
A.
Rotating permanent magnet and stationary solenoid coil.
The magnetic field rotates simultaneously with the magnet.
The coil outputs sinusoidal waveform (non inductive sensor can be used as
well).
I state that the magnet is not producing magnetic waves or EM waves.
B.
Stationary permanent magnet and orbiting solenoid coil.
The magnetic field is stationary.
The coil outputs sinusoidal waveform (non inductive sensor can be used as
well).
I state that the magnet is not producing magnetic waves or EM waves.
C.
Rotating permanent magnet with synchronously orbiting solenoid coil.
The magnetic field rotates simultaneously with the magnet.
The coil outputs no waveform (non inductive sensor can be used as well).
I state that the magnet is not producing magnetic waves or EM waves.
I state based on A, B and C that magnetic field is instantaneous.
If there was any delay with the field gradient propagation away from magnet
than case C would produce sinusoidal waveform due to lagging gradient.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
ps. I also claim that with in propagating EM wave relative magnetic and
electric field gradient propagates instantaneously too, in the direction
perpendicular to the
direction of propagation ( so if you are riding the wave you experience the
same effect
as if you where sitting next to the stationary electromagnet,... just a
funny
engineer's analogy)
//==========================================================================
One 20 cm 5 turns rectangular coil driven with ac low impedance power source
(HP 33120A waveform generator plus CMOS high current pushpull driver).
One sensing coil 10uH connected to the input of high speed comparator 500ps
rise/fall time.
The driving power source frequency set at 1MHz.
Osciloscope HP 54602A channel 1 mentors the ac power waveform and triggers
the scope.
The channel 2 is connected to the output of the comparator.
Set the sensing coil 33 cm from the rectangular coil on axis maximum
coupling.
Store the sensed waveform.
No move the sensing coil to the distance of 3 cm.
Rotate the coil and observe the signal from it.
When you match the amplitude with the stored waveform press the store button
again.
It stores the second waveform.
According to Einstein the should be about 1ns delay between the two
waveforms.
I didn't see the delay.
Mathew Orman
Spaceman
"Mathew Orman" <or...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:b2b5sk$7km$1...@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
> What he says is that first you teach children the false algebra
> than when the go to college they would learn the true Lorentz-Einstein
> algebra.
> :)
Yup!
:)
It truly is sad that they keep ignoring the "bad algebra" they worship.
:)
1c+1c=2c
and
1v+1v=2v
proves them wrong all the "time".
:)
Bruce Pew
Being cute doesn't change the fact that you can't provide a proof as
you claimed to be able to do. I knew you were a blowhard jackoff when
you called Einstein a clown [~ four years ago] in that defunct
east-west [whatever it was] forum. Now you are a blowhard jackoff in
sci.relativity [actually you are a blowhard jackoff when you wake up
in the morn].
EL
> hem...@hotmail.com (EL) wrote in message news:<7563cb80.03021...@posting.google.com>...
> > va...@cox.net (Bruce Pew) wrote in message news:<45534f09.03021...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > > > > Your time is up.
> > > > > > Close the door behind you on your way out.
> > > > > > EL
> > > >
> > > > [EL]
> > > > I said that your time was up.
> > > > And don't let the door touch your stinking ass when you slam the door
> > > > behind you on your way out.
> > > > EL
> >
> > No need to raise your voice in the corridor Mr. Pew.
> > Thank you for closing the door though.
> > Your time is up.
> > Now shut your stinking mouth too. :)
> > EL
[EL]
My 80 years old *sex crazed* secretary shall be back from lunch any
moment now. :)
If she finds you still there on the staircase I am sure you will
regret it. :):)
That is true for a very simple reason, which is that she has a very
well trained Doberman. :):):)
I suggest that you should go back home to your wife earlier today. :)
See you in the park next year.
EL
rryker
dl...@aol.com (formerly) wrote:
...
> Dirk is not the issue. EL's behaviour is the issue. IMHO, he
> can "make up" by simply providing a *complete* list of his
> weapons of mass destruction, no wait, of where he has posted this
> particular piece of venting. I do NOT expect him to withdraw a
> single word of what he has said. I will NOT edit his thoughts.
...
> David A. Smith
Rod: You are _puke_ by taking advantage of
the current world climate against (SOME)Arabs.
No sense arguing with you, _bigot_!
Rod Ryker...
It is reasoning and faith that bind truth.
http://herr_ryker.tripod.com
EL
[EL]
Who are those "some" Arabs!
Me!
You must be kidding, right?
Does Isaac sound like a name of an Arab to you?
Not to mention Our Great Great Grand Father Sharon. :)
So he was getting a bite at me by assuming that I was an Arab because
I know the Arabic Language!
Ahahahaha.
I know several other languages too, so what nationality would I be for
that!
Wait, how about C++ and Assembly?
Does that mean I am a C-plusplusean or an Assemblean?
Ahahahaha.
Yet I may not argue with you Rod about David being a puke.
You seem to know him, but I don't.
If he is such a puke then I must pity his neighbours.
Oh my.
Relax Rod, I assure you that I am not an Arab (genetically speaking),
yet I wonder if it should have made a difference!
Hrm.....
Algebra was founded by an Arab, should we stop studying it?
Algorithms are invented by an Arab, should we ban them?
Alcohol is an Arabic chemical name, should we never get drunk?
Admiral is an Arabic sea officer rank, should we execute them all?
If that was David's best shot, no wonder he is so lame; he just shot
himself in the foot. :)
By the way, is Uncle Al an Arab too? :)
Sometimes he sounds dumber than Saddam, so I wonder from where did he
get that "AL" thing?? ;-)
EheheL.
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"rryker" <rry...@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:3E4CA1DC...@fuse.net...
>
>
> dl...@aol.com (formerly) wrote:
> ...
> > Dirk is not the issue. EL's behaviour is the issue. IMHO,
he
> > can "make up" by simply providing a *complete* list of his
> > weapons of mass destruction, no wait, of where he has posted
this
> > particular piece of venting. I do NOT expect him to withdraw
a
> > single word of what he has said. I will NOT edit his
thoughts.
> ...
> > David A. Smith
>
> Rod: You are _puke_ by taking advantage of
> the current world climate against (SOME)Arabs.
> No sense arguing with you, _bigot_!
Really? Who said EL was of Arabic descent? The point is, Rod,
that he said stuff about someone where that someone "could not"
see. No chance of rebuttal. And this is all public record.
David A. Smith
EL
[EL]
David, if you are so righteous as you pretend to be then tell me if it
is fair to have a web page in which you hang the dirty clothes of
other people who may not have a fair chance to defend themselves on
that same page?
From my point of view, this is like taking a picture of your wife
taking a shower and blackmailing you by posting her picture on the web
and threatening to publish the reference locator (URL) to that page
every time we have a disagreement.
Are you really righteous or just another hypocrite?
Hemetis Ra' EL
The immortal Pharaoh. :)