A serious question...
cbus...@ascpl.lib.oh.us
But I am starting to think that, like everything else, that if you are not
willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on stamps a month, and pay some
service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the onlines, you
haven't got a prayer of ever winning anything. I lurked in the group for the
better part of a year, quietly typing my name in to every single sweep I come
across online, scribbling my name on little sheets of paper at the mall, etc.
All this effort has netted me a single T-shirt too small to wear...
So, I ask you hard core folks this:
Is sweeping another "pay the big bucks to play" hobby? Am I wasting my time
because I can't or won't buy all those stamps?
How many of you winners get your wins by entering by hand, on-line, like I do?
Is the average sweeper already pretty well off money wise? How else can you
afford all those stamps?
Is it a "you gotta get into the inner circle" situation to find out where the
good sweeps are without spending hours finding them, let alone entering them?
I keep hearing about some newsgroups that make you pay to read them, etc.
This kind of stuff makes me want to scream!
I am sorry to sound cynical and defeatist, but that is how I am feeling. I
enjoy entering the contests, but I seem to be in the winless minority
here...Can someone give me some sound advice (besides "pay pay pay") on how to
improve my chances?
Chris
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FriskyCH
usually get 2 small wins a week.. only won 2 big ones .. i have been doing
this for a year now. only sent 1 stamp out.. don,t give up....
scoobydoo
to my wonderful state that taxes the heck out of me, but won't let
me enter to win bunches of stuff. I am gonna keep trying, though.
And trying to keep a positive attitude.
--
Scoobydoo :-)
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Mike Selvey
I started sweeping as a harmless hobby. When I did, I promised myself that I
would never spend anything more than TIME doing it. I enter NO mail-in sweeps at
all, only occassionally do I bother calling 800 number sweeps, I don't mess with
"contests" requiring site searching or trivia, unless one of the great people on
this list post the answers, and my total expenditure in a two-year period is
ZERO. I must also add that as soon as the SFF groups went subscription, I gave
them up.
In that two years, I have won numerous t-shirts, Omaha steaks, a Casco keyboard,
some movie junk, books, CDs, clothes, frisbees, hats, a 3COM computer video camera
and card, and just this week, a $900 Olympus digital camera, and two Motorola
family radios! Not a bad return on my dollar investment so far, eh? Even as
lucky as I feel, one listmember told me that if he had been sweeping for two
years, and had never won any prizes bigger than that, he would have given up!
So, in answer to your original question, no, I don't think it takes an "inner
circle" to get you on the winning track. The people here at ACS have been VERY
generous with their posts and answers to contests, and I think you will see some
"SFF" people popping in here from time to time to share info as well. I know that
I am certainly grateful for this list, and the great people on it.
Will I ever win a big one? You know, it would be nice, but I don't really care.
I get enough "little" wins to keep me happy, and once in a while, get something
really nice. I am SURELY getting my dollars worth, and MORE!
Good luck to you, Chris, and KEEP SWEEPING!
Mike in Texas
Sandy R.
won quite a few (over several dozen) prizes--mostly t-shirts & small things
butI did win a video camera and software. I rarely send any entries by
mail so the cost has been only the monthly cost for Internet service (which
we
already pay anyway).
I am a stay-at-home mom so we do not have the finances for me to make this
an expensive hobby. I am just diligent in using all the resources available
on the net--newsgroups & sweepstakes sites. There are MANY resources.
I know when I first started, I only entered for the large prizes like cars,
computers, etc. I soon learned that entering for the smaller prizes helped
me keep up my spirits while waiting for the BIG ONE!
Keep a positive attitude and the wins WILL come!
Good luck,
SandyR
Michael Peterson
> It is nice to see all the people posting wins of cars, computers, TV's, etc.
> But I am starting to think that, like everything else, that if you are not
> willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on stamps a month, and pay some
> service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the onlines, you
> haven't got a prayer of ever winning anything. I lurked in the group for the
> better part of a year, quietly typing my name in to every single sweep I come
> across online, scribbling my name on little sheets of paper at the mall, etc.
> All this effort has netted me a single T-shirt too small to wear...
>
> So, I ask you hard core folks this:
>
> Is sweeping another "pay the big bucks to play" hobby? Am I wasting my time
> because I can't or won't buy all those stamps?
>
> How many of you winners get your wins by entering by hand, on-line, like I do?
>
> Is the average sweeper already pretty well off money wise? How else can you
> afford all those stamps?
>
> Is it a "you gotta get into the inner circle" situation to find out where the
> good sweeps are without spending hours finding them, let alone entering them?
> I keep hearing about some newsgroups that make you pay to read them, etc.
> This kind of stuff makes me want to scream!
>
> I am sorry to sound cynical and defeatist, but that is how I am feeling. I
> enjoy entering the contests, but I seem to be in the winless minority
> here...Can someone give me some sound advice (besides "pay pay pay") on how to
> improve my chances?
>
> Chris
>
>Hi Chris,
The experience of sweepstaking depends on the individual and his/her
circumstances. I started four or five years ago with contest news letter.
Actually I entered a few here and there before that and had really good
luck, a trip to Las Vegas with Rick Dees along with a collection of
Journey albums up to escape, concert tickets, $10 here $100 there--for a
news tip. and that was before I did contest newsletter.
For me, contest newsletter was a challenge, I very rarely could send
multiple entries, I am blind so I drafted friends, relatives, hired whome
ever, and sometimes got volunteers to help me do the little 3/5 cards,
envelopes addressing etc. This doesn't count the publishers clearing
house, readers digest, united purchasing exchange, and North shore animals
to name a few, and stamps, $20 to $40 a month in stamps, I still didn't
win any of the "big prizes" and once every so often I got some kind of toy
or album,
I had a computer, which I really didn't know well how to use, and a former
girlfriend/employee, copied lotus 123on my hard drive without putting it
in to a directory, wiped out everything than Northridge earthquake came
along and finished it off. So computers just weren't happening for me
until 1996.
I still didn't get involved with online sweeps until March 1997, but since
I have the ratio of small wins for me has gone up. Usually at least one a
month. The best part for me is people don't avoid me anymore, saying "oh
no! no more sweepstakes please! Well, actually maybe a few do because I
still hit them up to help me with reader's digest publishers and so on ,
but mostly thanks to this computer, I do them myself. I think it depends
on the time you spend, how many sweeps you enter and the type of sweeps.
Dailies seem to be hardest, one timers are great if you keep track and
don't accidentially re-enter, I like monthly's and weeklies , If you
haven't subscribe to some of the other news groups and news letters,
sweepsmart doesn't charge you to belong and they have some great
resources, I also like huronline's format because it's set up in a way
which doesn't make me feel overwhelmed, which some of the other letters do
because a bunch are all together, have to get rid of my headach before I
actually start typing--lol.
As for sweeps online services, I have used two, the first had several
problems, but now I joined ezsweep, $36 for six months a little more with
credit card, but still much cheaper than stamps and, within a month or so
I was fortunate enough to win a cash prize with their help, not a big one
mind you, but it paid the bill, and gave me some spending money besides,
and they are still working for me and still producing lots and lots of
winners!
The thing about sweepstaking is, when it gets in your blood, you just
enjoy dreaming and trying whether you win or not. But sometimes especially
when wins are coming oh so slowly, or when life in general is a little bit
of a hastle it's easy to feel like just giving up, when those times come,
watch a movie, play a game, take a vacation--at least from sweeping, and
come back refreshed.
Also, make sweeps friends, so sweeping isn't about winning only. You may
not get that new car next week but the friendships will add new joy to
your life. When I did the snails I was the only sweeper I knew. The
people doing the cards would often say "your crazy, why do you keep doing
this" or sometimes "you'll win someday just keep trying. Well, I'm still
waiting for the really, really, big prize--it's out there somewhere, I
know friends I talk with have won it! Sometimes I've had the privilege of
helping them which is just paying back all the free help I've been given.
Just last week Dana confirmed she won her $1,000 from x10. What a joy, So
again, my advice to you is don't give up just keep trying, weigh each
opportunity and if you like it go for it! Keep posting too! because I'm
looking forward to hearing about your big win! It will come, I promise, in
one form or another.
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bsharp
and the copy and paste the info as i need it. I have won a knife and T-shirt
so far. I mostly got for freebies and have only recently entered contests.
The Thompsons
online sweepstakes have entry limits, once per day, once per week, once
per month, once only, etc. Bookmark them and put them in folders marked
dailies, weeklies, monthlies, etc. Use a program like Keyboard Express
to make filling out the forms faster. I don't know what you mean by "pay
some service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the
that often) anyway. I never waste my time or money entering snail
sweeps. I entered them for years and never won anything. I always win at
least one or two small prizes a week online. The best prizes I"ve won
have been worth about $200 or so.
Suzy
Robin
Mexican Riveria in 1997, and a $4,500 cash prize in 1998. "Snail mail has been
beddy beddy good to me."!
The Thompsons wrote:
> >SNIP< I never waste my time or money entering snail
The Thompsons
ever done is waste stamps. Maybe I'll try a few and see what happens. Do
you enter each contest a bunch of times? I seem to remember you sent in
a whole lot of entries to the Webstakes contest.
Suzy
Ketarah
Don't give up. I've subscribed to Contest Newsletter, doing snails, for
about 8 years. I went until 1995 before I had a big win (a trip to
Hawaii that I won with with entry). I started net sweeping about a year
ago. I've won a digital camera and a nice CDROM set (National
Geographic) from the net and over the years plenty of toys, t-shirts,
baseball caps, etc. to keep me happy.
I usually don't enter contests that are for little stuff (t-shirts,
software, etc.) I get plenty of that from the 'none grand prize' wins.
If you choose to do some mail-ins, keep a lookout for local stuff.
They'll have better odds since less people enter them. I've won several
times (under $200 stuff) from my local cable company and the LA Times.
The online sweeps that are "one entry only" will have better odds.
I'm still looking forward to another big win, I'm not picky, cash, car,
trip ....:)
Ketarah
Robin
to trim those twenty 3.5 x 5.5 postal postcards to 3.5 x 5. Sent in 20 a day for maybe
a month. Very tedious and time-consuming... but HEY! I won! The cruise win was a
local sweeps run by a local radio station. Won it with a *single* postcard. Pure luck.
The Thompsons wrote:
> That's right! You won your Webstakes money with snail entries! All I've
> ever done is waste stamps. Maybe I'll try a few and see what happens. Do
> you enter each contest a bunch of times? I seem to remember you sent in
> a whole lot of entries to the Webstakes contest.
> Suzy
>
> Robin wrote:
> >
> > My two *BIGGEST* wins came from snail entries: A $6,000 luxury cruise to the
> > Mexican Riveria in 1997, and a $4,500 cash prize in 1998. "Snail mail has been
> > beddy beddy good to me."!
> >
> > The Thompsons wrote:
> >
> > > >SNIP< I never waste my time or money entering snail
> > > sweeps. I entered them for years and never won anything. I always win at
> > > least one or two small prizes a week online. The best prizes I"ve won
> > > have been worth about $200 or so.
> > > Suzy
> > >
Martha Lawson
won a trip to California and $30,000. She only entered the contest once via
email. She is always winning something but this was the grand slam!<G> She
has been at it about a year. I on the other hand win a lot of smaller
things. I have gotten a Nintendo 64 system, some antique crystal glasses, PC
games and tees. So you don't have to pay for stamps, it is all the luck of
the draw. Hang in there....I know I am!<G>
Martie
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Pat Gale
> Hang in there! In the past year, I've won a digital camera (it's great!!),
> software, books, toys, household items, and ... ta-dah! ... a week-long trip
> for 4 to Orlando! All on the net, I think (not sure about the FLA trip; I know
> it was online, but when I went to the site after winning, it didn't look at
> all familiar; I think I may have entered it via snail mail.
> I do receive Contest Newsletter and usually send in several entries from that
> -- but I think the 'net is much more productive and yes, much less expensive
> than stamps! Most of the time, I don't enter sweeps that have a single prize
> of a trip because I really am not interested in travel -- though I have
> entered the ones for Orlando/Disney (and I'd love to win a Bermuda trip!!)
Don't give up!Pat
SweepGuy
(and it is still my preference for the 'big' prizes). I enter online and I
have never won anything... I usually try to limit myself to about $30 in
postage/month, but on occassion have gone to $100 in a month (and I did win
a very good prize on that slam).
My only suggestion to you is: be persistant. Especially if all you do is
web sweeps. There is generally a lag from whenever you start entering until
you start winning. For instance, if you stopped completely right now, I bet
you would win one or two prizes in the next YEAR. I usually win a couple
prizes a month, and that satiates me.
Sweepn2Win
Could you please tell me how to get to the other newsgroups ?
Thanks!
danas...@my-dejanews.com
wasted a lot of time entering sweepstakes online, got a few wins but I'd have
to say the possible rewards for most people are not worth the time spent. You
should visit my website at http://home.earthlink.net/~lsprague if you really
want to learn how to win stuff. I'm a professional radio station contest
player and have been doing nothing but winning radio station contests full
time for the last 8 years now. The website is still under construction but I
send out daily emails with local and internet radio station contest details
to people that request to be put on my email list. Just send me some email at
rad...@earthlink.net to request to be on the list. Best of Luck!
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danas...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Robin, I'm an ex sweepstakes player who has spend thousands on postage and
> wasted a lot of time entering sweepstakes online, got a few wins but I'd have
> to say the possible rewards for most people are not worth the time spent. You
> should visit my website at http://home.earthlink.net/~lsprague if you really
> want to learn how to win stuff.
>snip<
I've only been averaging $1,000 per month in cash and prizes, so I'm open to any
suggestions you can share to improve my odds!
Robin
Site for the newsgroup: http://www.sweepsmart.com/main.html
David & Wendy
out immediately whether you won or not, sweepstakes take patience. It took me a
year or so of constant entering before things started to pay off.(Yes, it was
snail mail) And I tell you, the thrill of going to the mail box and finding a
package or release letter is great. It got to where I was winning 2 or 3 a week! I
have only been entering on the net for about 3 months now and have only won once,
but I will have patience! Hang in there, "you can't win if you don't enter!"
P.S. A bit of advice - 70-80% of my wins were second chance drawings. You
know....that scratch off game that says "Sorry, Not an Instant Winner" Check the
rules for a second chance drawing for unclaimed prizes....ENTER!!!!
David Gurley
cbus...@ascpl.lib.oh.us
>
> >snip<
>
> I've only been averaging $1,000 per month in cash and prizes, so I'm open to
any
> suggestions you can share to improve my odds!
A thousand bucks a month?!?!?!? How much per month in postage, and how much
time do you spend on it? Do you have a staff of helpers? It must be your full
time job, or you are the luckiest person alive...
Robin
drop boxes when he comes upon them.
Almost all of the wins are prizes, of course. Last Spring, I won a $4,500
Webstakes cash prize. Won a $6,000 cruise to the Mexican Rivera early in '97.
Four months ago, won a hand-held computer ($575) called a Phenom. In the last
week, won two trips: A 'Murder Mystery Weekend' to the Arizona Biltmore Hotel in
Phoenix for the Halloween weekend ($3,000), from A&E; and a cruise to the Bahamas
($1,000) this November.
Then there's the $550 G. Loomis fly rod, $100 Sentry security safe, $560 nanny
cam, $490 JVC speakers, $100 framed print, two Alaska/Horizon Air tickets
($1,000), Bose Wave sound system ($1,000), and a $600 Simmons bed. All in the
past 18 months.
Finally, an endless flow of mouse-pads, t shirts, c.d.s, concert tickets, and
movie passes and posters.
Right now, a local radio station is giving out 400 housekeys. One of these keys
will open the door of a brand-new $193,000 furnished home, and a two year lease of
a 1999 pick-up truck. I entered a girl-friend, and she won one. I'll probably
also win one by the cut-off date of mid-November. A few other local sweeps: A
cellular phone co. is giving away a 60" projection t.v. A small local restaurant
chain is giving away a trip to London to see the Rolling Stones.
I spend maybe $30 a month in postage. Probably entering online 45 minutes a day,
and searching for new sweeps 30 minutes.
And yes, I work. Got the best job in the world. Construction zone flagger.
Prevailing wages are between $17 - $21 an hour. The company I'm with is set up so
I can work or take off any day I want. Present job is in a state forest in a
mountain range near the Pacific Ocean. Outside, seeing elk, otters, herons and
eagles.
SweepGuy
average goes, a high priced trip or car can set you up for a couple years to
average out $1,000/MO... That's not to say that this person isn't getting
closer to $1,000 prizes each month, I just wanted to point out that it isn't
THAT hard...
Also, a real good clue on submitting to internet sweeps... I bookmark
multi-entry sweeps in folders according to daily/weekly/monthly.... Then,
when I label the site, I use the ending date of the sweeps at the beginning
of the Label: e.g.> 981031 (the year in front is important). Now the
computer will automatically list the sweeps in descending order. This way, I
can enter all the sweepstakes every day, just going down the list, and when
they expire, I can just delete them off of the list....
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Sweepstastic
>It is nice to see all the people posting wins of cars, computers, TV's, etc.
>But I am starting to think that, like everything else, that if you are not
>willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on stamps a month, and pay some
>service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the onlines, you
>haven't got a prayer of ever winning anything. I lurked in the group for the
>better part of a year, quietly typing my name in to every single sweep I come
>across online, scribbling my name on little sheets of paper at the mall, etc.
> All this effort has netted me a single T-shirt too small to wear...
>
You can't force luck! And no I haven't won anything more than
t-shirts and software. I used to win big on the radio, but that is
luck and skill.
>So, I ask you hard core folks this:
>
>Is sweeping another "pay the big bucks to play" hobby? Am I wasting my time
>because I can't or won't buy all those stamps?
How much are you spending on stamps? I've won with the second chance
stuff, and I limit my stamp expenditures to one entry per day so I
only enter the ones I truly want to win.
>
>How many of you winners get your wins by entering by hand, on-line, like I do?
>
>Is the average sweeper already pretty well off money wise? How else can you
>afford all those stamps?
My website loses $25 a month (I'm using BigBiz.com), because most
people are satisfied with the free servers, but I want and need the
CGI-BIN access.
>I am sorry to sound cynical and defeatist, but that is how I am feeling. I
>enjoy entering the contests, but I seem to be in the winless minority
>here...Can someone give me some sound advice (besides "pay pay pay") on how to
>improve my chances?
>
I have one suggestion, only persue the stuff you want to win. There
is so much out there that you won't win squat if you don't stay
focused.
>Chris
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don't spend a hugh amount on stamps. I enter sweepstakes and contests through the internet, in
store drops, snail mail, occassionally radio phone-in, phone ins from newsletters, sweeps at
special events, business card drops at businesses or events, etc. I believe variety helps.
I enter the low-value sweeps & contests as well as the ones with big prizes. I enter my
husband, other friends and relatives (who are aware my doing this) in the 1/person sweeps.
I have certainly not won as much as Anita of Rags to Riches, but we have had some nice wins.
Those with higher incomes do have an edge if a sweeps is not 1 per person. I also enter heavily
with post cards (if "any size") entries while we are in Reno, using the free postcards and free
postage at Harrahs.
We also go to sweepstakes club meetings in our area. (Where do you live?) Some of the members
take OEBs & drop them for club members for in-store drops.
I use recycled paper and card stock (free) and free post cards for most of my entries and am
still using a gift of some #10 envelopes with obsolete return addresses. The pens are free, of
course. (See if you can receive some free envelopes from a business which has moved or changed
its name.)
\We have won useful things such as t-shirts, jackets, back packs, mugs, coffee beans, meals,
shampoo, air line tickets, etc. My daughter's family has won basketballs, kids stuff, etc.
My win of $500 in Pendelton clothing was a 1 per person in which entrants had to write a
paragraph. Many people would be unwilling to do the writing.
*** Don't spend any money except for 3x5s, envelopes, postage, etc. ***
Best of luck to you. Mary Fowler, Alameda, Ca, US
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cbus...@ascpl.lib.oh.us wrote:
>It is nice to see all the people posting wins of cars, computers, TV's, etc.
>But I am starting to think that, like everything else, that if you are not
>willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on stamps a month, and pay some
>service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the onlines, you
>haven't got a prayer of ever winning anything. I lurked in the group for the
>better part of a year, quietly typing my name in to every single sweep I come
>across online, scribbling my name on little sheets of paper at the mall, etc.
> All this effort has netted me a single T-shirt too small to wear...
>So, I ask you hard core folks this:
>Is sweeping another "pay the big bucks to play" hobby? Am I wasting my time
>because I can't or won't buy all those stamps?
>How many of you winners get your wins by entering by hand, on-line, like I do?
>Is the average sweeper already pretty well off money wise? How else can you
>afford all those stamps?
>
>Is it a "you gotta get into the inner circle" situation to find out where the
>good sweeps are without spending hours finding them, let alone entering them?
>I keep hearing about some newsgroups that make you pay to read them, etc.
>This kind of stuff makes me want to scream!
>
>I am sorry to sound cynical and defeatist, but that is how I am feeling. I
>enjoy entering the contests, but I seem to be in the winless minority
>here...Can someone give me some sound advice (besides "pay pay pay") on how to
>improve my chances?
>Chris
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Jim Gonsalves
Alameda, CA, US
PowerLib
>
>>It is nice to see all the people posting wins of cars, computers, TV's, etc.
>>But I am starting to think that, like everything else, that if you are not
>>willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on stamps a month, and pay some
>>service a ton of money to enter you thousands of times in the onlines, you
>>haven't got a prayer of ever winning anything. I lurked in the group
for the
>>better part of a year, quietly typing my name in to every single sweep I
>come
>>across online, scribbling my name on little sheets of paper at the mall,
>etc.
>> All this effort has netted me a single T-shirt too small to wear...
>>
>
>You can't force luck! And no I haven't won anything more than
>t-shirts and software.
What do you mean luck? Here on AOL, we have message boards for Sweepers (sorry,
but only AOL members can access these boards) and at the tail end of the
messages of each individual person, they write things like "46 wins for the
month of July!", "34 wins for last month!", "243 wins for last year!", etc.,
and so on. These wins of theirs come from a combination of snail mail,
drop-ins, online and radio sweeps so I assume that there is a little bit of
skill when it comes to online or snail mail sweeps as well as luck. No one can
make thse many wins monthly on luck alone.
Bill
>I enter my husband, other friends and relatives (who are aware my doing this) in the 1/person sweeps.
You cheating bastard. One entry per person means just that. It doesn't
mean multiple entries by the same person using other people's names.
If people don't want to enter for themselves that's too bad. It isn't
up to you to do it for them.
NO SPAM (Fowler & Gonsalves)
uses a large power wheelchair & has attendants who help him with
getting ready in the morning, etc.) I sometimes enter for people who
help us such as my daughter and her husband. I also enter for friends
of ours, Mark and Blane who have muscular dystrophy. Jim, Mark, and
Blane cannot write; using their hands is too difficult. (We also have
friends who don't have any hands.)
I also enter for Mark and Blane's mother, Betty. She doesn't complain,
but I know she didn't expect at her age (upper 60s) for life to be the
way it is. If they win, they get to keep the prize. It's sort of a
"Thank you".
They have helped us also. For example, Jim has used the roll-in shower
at Mark & Blane's, & they have driven Jim to Sacramento, our state
capitol. Mary Fowler, Alameda, CA, US
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SweepGuy
drop-off, I often enter relatives and friends in addition to myself (with
their consent of course). They do the same thing for me. Most 1 per person
sweeps limit the entry to 1 per e-mail address. The winner of a sweepstakes
still must be able to legally accept prizes(with proof of ID required on
large prizes, like a SS card). I really don't see your viewpoint that it is
'cheating' for being nice enough to enter others names, and enhancing THEIR
chance of winning, not your own. I imagine you are the kind of person that
would not list a sweepstakes onto the newsgroup, with the hopes that fewer
people would enter, thus enhancing your chances of winning... It's those
types of people that rarely win.
Bill wrote in message <70f3s3$ejl$1...@supernews.com>...
Robin
Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
Robin
Norma & Jim
love the excitement of receiving a surprise package in the mail now and
then. So what if it's only a key chain, baseball cap or a t-shirt.
I've won a few things of value, never more than two hundred dollars, but
I've won lots of tickets to shows, baseball games, etc. Many of the
things I win, I give away as presents to family. Sure, I'd like to win
the big trip, big money or car....... but even if I never do, I'm having
fun and to me, that's what it's all about. It all depends on your point
of view and what your expectations are. I don't usually spend much on
postage. I do subscribe to a sweeps newsletter. For a short time I
spent as much as $40 per month on postage, but I don't have time for
that right now. I have my best luck with drop-in boxes in local
stores or even local mail ins. I've entered quite a few on the internet
and I've had some small wins there too...... I guess my favorite was a
bicycle helmet I won from Briko for my husband. In my opinion, have fun
with it...... and when it's stops being fun.... don't enter anymore.
Norma
sheri.l...@uwrf.edu
Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
permission.
Steve Estvanik
=======================
not be valid, but if each of those people are real, there's nothing wrong
with entering their names.
i design online games, and it becomes a design problem -- designing
the game so that people with multiple email addresses dont have an advantage
in playing the game that other cooperating players wouldnt have.
s
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. Most 1 per person
>sweeps limit the entry to 1 per e-mail address.
this is a different problem -- i run a weekly CD giveaway and get many
entries that i suspect are from the same person (eg, the same name used
with multiple hotmail, juno etc accounts, arriving within minutes of each
other). duplicates are easy to remove. i just leave these since overall
there arent too many people who do this, that i know of. the problem is if
you use different names with each account. there's no simple way to test
and prevent that, so any contest needs to take that into account from the
start.
R.M. Willis
>My husband, Jim, and I have disabilities. (Jim has cerebral palsy and
>uses a large power wheelchair & has attendants who help him with
>getting ready in the morning, etc.) I sometimes enter for people who
>help us such as my daughter and her husband. I also enter for friends
>of ours, Mark and Blane who have muscular dystrophy. Jim, Mark, and
>Blane cannot write; using their hands is too difficult. (We also have
>friends who don't have any hands.)
>I also enter for Mark and Blane's mother, Betty. She doesn't complain,
>but I know she didn't expect at her age (upper 60s) for life to be the
>way it is. If they win, they get to keep the prize. It's sort of a
>"Thank you".
I agree that you are cheating. The rules don't say you can enter for
people as a thank you. If you want to thank them, enter yourself and
if you win, give them the prize. It's a shame that people who took the
time to legitimately enter the contest lose to someone who didn't
enter at all but instead had someone do it for them.
RMW
R.M. Willis
"SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
> Most 1 per person sweeps limit the entry to 1 per e-mail address.
Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
those who actually entered themselves.
>The winner of a sweepstakes still must be able to legally accept prizes
>(with proof of ID required on large prizes, like a SS card).
The winner must also sign an afidavit stating that they complied with
the rules. I guess you figure they could just lie.
>I really don't see your viewpoint that it is 'cheating' for being nice enough to
>enter others names, and enhancing THEIR chance of winning, not your own.
You seem to be rationalizing your dishonest behavior. What you
actually are saying is that if you can't win, you hope someone you
know does. I feel the same way but I am not going to break the rules
for that to happen. They would have to enter themselves. If it is so
important for someone you know to win, then have them enter
themselves. I have yet to see a rule for a sweepstakes or contest say
you may enter for others.
>I imagine you are the kind of person that would not list a sweepstakes onto
>the newsgroup, with the hopes that fewer people would enter, thus enhancing
>your chances of winning... It's those types of people that rarely win.
No, they rarely win because of dishonest people such as yourself
who violate the rules by submitting multiple entries. It must be sad
to look in the mirror everyday and see a little boy instead of a man.
RMW
R.M. Willis
>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
"One entry per person" does specifically forbid it. According to you,
I could have 100 people enter my name if the rules say "one entry
per person" because I wouldn't be the one entering my name
more than once. The other 100 entries would be entered by other
people. If the rules don't specifically forbid it than it's okay
right? I can't believe the amount of greedy people who would stoop
so low and then try to rationalize it.
RMW
R.M. Willis
>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>permission.
Geez what's with the "their permmission" stuff? You are violating the
rules, why ask permission of the person you are entering?
RMW
Norma & Jim
cast the first stones. I sleep well at night. It's not up to me to
judge what others do. I wish everyone well, and many wins!
Norma
SweepGuy
at Walmart, and you won a car, I'm sure you would turn it down....
The point of the one entry is to not let 'entry hogs' give themselves a
proportional advantage over others... By entering others, my chances of
winning actually go down, so now how justify that I am 'cheating'??
R.M. Willis wrote in message <70hrgg$rpj$1...@supernews.com>...
SweepGuy
you, but it is obvious you have a closed mind, and people with closed minds
prefer to put others down rather than explore alternate viewpoints. I won't
discuss anything further with you, because you are beyond hope.
DMorgan721
>cast the first stones
I am with you Norma. I also enter my husband and am not ashamed at all. I
think it bears repeating: Those who live in glass houses.....
Debbie
Robin
scoobydoo
discussion makes more sense and is way more interesting.
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Please reply to GROUP
SweepGuy wrote in message <70i5ka$e...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
SweepGuy
With that said however, is it just me, or does it seem that the people that
are making or agreeing with the 'cheating' accusation actually just sound
like they are whining that they don't win enough??
Steve Estvanik
=======================
R.M. Willis wrote in message <70hrgg$rpj$1...@supernews.com>...
>mm...@ix.netcom.com(NO SPAM (Fowler & Gonsalves)) wrote:
>
>
>I agree that you are cheating. The rules don't say you can enter for
>people as a thank you.
no, but they dont say you cant, either, so it's silly to call that
cheating. she's not making up names -- the rules dont prohibit her from
entering her husband's name, do they?
>>>> It's a shame that people who took the
>time to legitimately enter the contest lose to someone who didn't
>enter at all but instead had someone do it for them.
>
there's no entitlement here -- and there's nothing illegitimate about
entering other people's names.
--
Steve Estvanik
.
>
>Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
>Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
>I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
>those who actually entered themselves.
that's ridiculous -- it cant be cheating or dishonest unless it's
against the rules, and ther are no divine books to consult here. either
the rules prohibit it, or they dont.
>You seem to be rationalizing your dishonest behavior. What you
>actually are saying is that if you can't win, you hope someone you
>know does. I feel the same way but I am not going to break the rules
>for that to happen.
you keep calling people dishonest, but you have yet to show ANY rules
that are being broken.
>No, they rarely win because of dishonest people such as yourself
>who violate the rules by submitting multiple entries. It must be sad
>to look in the mirror everyday and see a little boy instead of a man.
it must be sad to have so few arguments on one's side that you have to
resort to personal attacks! <g>
Steve Estvanik
>
>"One entry per person" does specifically forbid it. According to you,
>I could have 100 people enter my name if the rules say "one entry
>per person" because I wouldn't be the one entering my name
>more than once. The other 100 entries would be entered by other
>people.
nope, you've got it completely backwards -- it doesnt say who has to
make the entry -- i could hire a service to enter my name in every contest.
as long as it's only entered once, there's no conflict.
then, look at it from the contest organizer's point of view -- why would
they WANT to limit the contest in that fashion? a common use for such
contests is to build mailing lists of potential customers. i doubt you'd
find many contest organizers (aka the ones who actually are writing the
rules) to agree with you. if anything, it's those friends who are getting
on mailing lists who might want to object <g>
If the rules don't specifically forbid it than it's okay
>right?
what do you propose in its place? the rules according to Willis?
Steve Estvanik
=======================
R.M. Willis wrote in message <70hslr$rpj$4...@supernews.com>...
> >>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>>permission.
>
>Geez what's with the "their permmission" stuff? You are violating the
>rules, why ask permission of the person you are entering?
>
normal courtesy would seem to apply here -- ask someone before giving
out their name and address...
Norma & Jim
going on here. However, I would rather see us disagree without the name
calling and insults.
Norma
SweepGuy
Steve Estvanik wrote in message <70itt7$2...@q.seanet.com>...
>
> what do you propose in its place? the rules according to Willis?
LOL!! God no!! There'd be no winners except for him!
Robin
"Must be present to enter." "An entrant will not submit entries for other
people." "The winning entry must be in the entrants own handwriting."
"One entry per person" means exactly that. How complicated can it be...? If
the sponsor goes through all the entries, nobody's name/address should appear
more than once. Pretty simple, no?
SweepGuy
sweepstaker I follow the rules and wouldn't think of breaching these...
Besides, it is counter-productive- if the winner isn't there, then they
don't win. These types of rules are predominately with local or drop off
sweeps though, not internet or snail mail sweeps.
In defense of my previous point, if it doesn't prohibit it, it should be
OK.. For instance, if the rules don't specify a #10 envelope, am I cheating
by using a different sized envelope?? I think not..
Also, I don't have kids, but I know plenty of people that enter their
children's names into the sweepstakes, making their family the winner if the
kids win.... I don't have kids, but I don't consider this to be cheating.
They just have more opportunity. On 1/person sweeps, I always enter for
myself AND my wife if it's a sweep I'm interested in....
Sorry for the tirade, but the 'cheaters' slag got me riled up more than the
'Gee, you are SO lucky!' comment usually gets me.
Robin wrote in message
Michael Peterson
>
> "SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
>
> > Most 1 per person sweeps limit the entry to 1 per e-mail address.
>
> Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
> Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
> I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
> those who actually entered themselves.
It would be an interesting court case if Say a totally blind adult who
obviously couldn't write were disqualified on your sumission, because
he/she couldn't enter him/herself, Now instead of a sponsor disqualifying
a "dishonest entry, said sponsor may be guilty of discrinmination, I've
expected such a case with "licensed driver's only" but suspect that's
covered because they are not discriminating on basis of
disability--unless of course the inability to drive is considered such.
Now also, if it's dishonest for you for example to enter me, in to the
sweepstakes, than if I go in to say lucky's supermarket and ask a box
person or cashier to enter my name, they too are cheating which could be
grounds for job termination of said employee. See how messy such a
simple thing can become, the sponsor has a contest or sweeps to atract
customers through their goodwill. I have even seen some contest sites on
the web, one especially stands out but I won't post the name, anyway the
sponsor didn't just say don't post my answers please, he got really
huffy, was nice to me personally, but not to other sweepers, couldn't
have helped his trafic. Once I was running a contest for football
tickets, and did have a problem wher people were trying to give the win
to one of my employees, I pointed out to the employee that aceptance even
from this person violated the spirit of the contest because, others
unaware of his friendship might feel it was a "fixed" drawing. One
suggestion, if you have an illedgible signature, and you need to "sign"
initially have someone else print your name and sign as witness Use this
technique, especially if a sponsor is not familiar with you as a customer
and attach a not explaing why you did this. After your recognized by the
company they should have a record. Reader's digest asks for sigs
sometimes and publisher's clearing house as well as uninted purchasing
exchange do this a lot. I wish they would just stick to place stamp
here,--unless you actually win.
Regards
Mike.>
> >Thps I do however, agree that using multiple mails or putting multiple
names in to a sweepstake for fraudlent purposes, i.e. so I, or you can
win the prize is cheating, if this becomes apparent after investigating
the suspect claim, the could legitimately be disqualified for cheating,
that kind of person probably has covered his/herself though and will not
be the one who gets hassled. Unfortunately even in sweeping we have a
few bad apples, and sometimes they unfairly get the rewards but more
often then not this is not the case.e winner of a sweepstakes still must
be able to legally accept
prizes > >(with proof of ID required on large prizes, like a SS card).
>
> The winner must also sign an afidavit stating that they complied with
> the rules. I guess you figure they could just lie.
>
> >I really don't see your viewpoint that it is 'cheating' for being nice enough to
> >enter others names, and enhancing THEIR chance of winning, not your own.
>
> You seem to be rationalizing your dishonest behavior. What you
> actually are saying is that if you can't win, you hope someone you
> know does. I feel the same way but I am not going to break the rules
> for that to happen. They would have to enter themselves. If it is so
> important for someone you know to win, then have them enter
> themselves. I have yet to see a rule for a sweepstakes or contest say
> you may enter for others.
>
> >I imagine you are the kind of person that would not list a sweepstakes onto
> >the newsgroup, with the hopes that fewer people would enter, thus enhancing
> >your chances of winning... It's those types of people that rarely win.
>
> No, they rarely win because of dishonest people such as yourself
> who violate the rules by submitting multiple entries. It must be sad
> to look in the mirror everyday and see a little boy instead of a man.
>
> RMW
>
>
>
>
>
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Michael Peterson
> > Let those who are without sin
> >cast the first stones
May I just honorabley resign or be sensured, or perhaps I could impeach
myself--keeping the prize of course but explaining just how sorry I am
about winning while trying not to grin?
I can't help it I must either be really sleepy or this is terribley
entertaining! If you feel like your cheating, just don't put anyone's
name accept yours in the box, and stay away from those kids contest for
babies which are one entry only, unless of course, you have taught your
three year old toddler how to write? and speaking of glass houses, isn't
that Cears one for windows, one entry only?
Before I depart I leave you with this thought, In los Angeles, those of
us who are fortunate enough to live in glass houses don't throw
stones--we just wait for the earthquakes--does the job just as well,
lol.I suggest instead of being so hard on people who enter their friends
in contests we devote our energy to protecting childeren in shopping
malls who get toys snatched from them by adults because they are the
popular toy at the time This happened to an eight or so year old girl who
was trying to buy a cabbage patch doll at Toys Our Us, I think it was
arround Christmas, and even with the large crowds no one went to her aid,
guess they were just to busy making sure no one was cheating at the
sweepstakes box.
Many wins -- even if someone enters for you!
Mike.
> I am with you Norma. I also enter my husband and am not ashamed at all. I
> think it bears repeating: Those who live in glass houses.....
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
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scoobydoo
sweeps that looked good a while back. Well, I only skimmed over
the rules, and then bookmarked the site and went back everyday to
play. (See I relied on the statement made by the Sweeps site that
this game was a daily thing). Anyway, I deleted the bookmark.
Then I got an email that I won $4.00 so I decided to write the
place and ask them how to get the playing site back.
Well, long story short...I was supposed to be waiting for their
email to play. That email would have the sponsor sites to visit
and play. I was entering every day (the wrong way), but actually
the right way gave the players more chances to win.
Anyway, the guy who ran the sweeps sent me an email as if was some
cheater creep. He assumed (and you know that old joke) that I was
trying to cheat him and he was extremely unprofessional about the
entire matter. Now, if I were trying to cheat his game I
certainly would not email him asking for help. I told all my
friends not to play his frikken fracken game.
My lesson learned---read the rules!!!!!!
JanellZ28
in hearing if folks here have won large prizes through Internet (vs. mail in)
entries. For instance, did you win an Alero through an online entry? Or do
the big wins come exclusively from mailins? Any help/advice would be greatly
appreciated!
cord...@nospam.kdi.com
wrote:
>I store all of my info (address, E-mail, zip code, etc) in a notepad file
>and the copy and paste the info as i need it. I have won a knife and T-shirt
>so far. I mostly got for freebies and have only recently entered contests.
I just stumbled on this group last night. So, I don't have anything
to add about winnings :) I -hope- it's true as I'm going to start, as
I pick my way through the group and find out where these contests are.
What I -do- have to add is this: I wrote a program last night, after
reading this message. It's just a little program, obviously, but I
hope you might find it useful. Freeware, of course :) Everything I
do is freeware. Check out http://www.kdi.com/~cordelia/vb.html and
look for the 'addresser' program. It is an althernative to the text
file :)
Hope you like it. Oh oh.. send me email if you do :)
Sherry
Bill
>>Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
>>Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
>>I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
>>those who actually entered themselves.
> that's ridiculous -- it cant be cheating or dishonest unless it's
>against the rules, and ther are no divine books to consult here. either
>the rules prohibit it, or they dont.
I guess you won't mind me entering you name in a contest that only
allows one entry per person and will disqualify all entries if more
than one is received. Since I will be entering your name it is not
more than one entry per person. The rules don't say I can't do this
so I will.
> you keep calling people dishonest, but you have yet to show ANY rules
>that are being broken.
"One entry per person". What part of that don't you understand? You
people have been cheating so long and have been caught and don't like
it. You are all defensive and deny that the rules prohibit that which
they do.
> it must be sad to have so few arguments on one's side that you have to
>resort to personal attacks! <g>
My arguments are sound. You are going to deny the rules say what
they do to justify your cheating.
Bill
read most of it. Please condense it and get to the point and
I will try to look at it.
Michael Peterson <Yesm...@cris.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, R.M. Willis wrote:
>>
>> "SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Most 1 per person sweeps limit the entry to 1 per e-mail address.
>>
>> Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
>> Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
>> I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
>> those who actually entered themselves.
>Regards
>--
Bill
>Anyway, the guy who ran the sweeps sent me an email as if was some
>cheater creep.
I believe your story but after seeing the number of people in this
group who cheat, can you really blame him? He was wrong to
blame you for cheating but I can see why he did.
>My lesson learned---read the rules!!!!!!
AND obey them!
Bill
>No need for name calling. It's childish, unproductive, and causes bad feelings.
You're right. I was too harsh and should not have resorted to name
calling. For that I aplogize. I'm sorry.
>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
Please post your info so I may enter your name in sweeps and contests
that only allow one entry and will disqualify all entries if more than
one is received. Since it will be me entering you a second time and
not you, this will be okay and will give you a better chance of
winning. I have never seen rules for a sweepstakes or contest
in which there is a limit of one entry per person specifically
forbiding many other people from entering the same person so
it is okay.
Bill
>Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
>"One entry per person" does specifically forbid it. According to you,
>I could have 100 people enter my name if the rules say "one entry
>per person" because I wouldn't be the one entering my name
>more than once. The other 100 entries would be entered by other
>people. If the rules don't specifically forbid it than it's okay
>right? I can't believe the amount of greedy people who would stoop
>so low and then try to rationalize it.
I just posted a message stating basically the same thing. I am glad to
see there is at least one person here with some ethics.
Bill
>> Let those who are without sin
>>cast the first stones
>I am with you Norma. I also enter my husband and am not ashamed at all. I
>think it bears repeating: Those who live in glass houses.....
I email the contest or sweeps URLs to my wife and if she is
interested she can enter. Alternatively I will tell here to look at a
particular contest web site and click a link for a specific contest.
If she wants to enter that's fine. If not that's okay too. I will not
resort to cheating as you people have done. Just because you
are overcome with greed and have no shame is no reason
to be proud about it.
Bill
>To quote Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
>With that said however, is it just me, or does it seem that the people that
>are making or agreeing with the 'cheating' accusation actually just sound
>like they are whining that they don't win enough??
Actually I have won several things including a trip to Florida for
two, a color laptop computer, a Lexmark laser printer, Windows
98, Plus 98 pack for W98, a 56 K dual standard v.90 external
modem, Partition Magic 4.0, a bunch of other software and things
I don't even remember. Best of all I won all of this without cheating,
entering other people, or having other people enter me. Once again
you are ashamed of yourself so are saying people who abide by
the rules are whining.
at you
Bill
>Anybody ever seen these rules?:
>"Must be present to enter." "An entrant will not submit entries for other
>people." "The winning entry must be in the entrants own handwriting."
Anybody ever seen these rules?
"One entry per person". Other people may not submit entries for
someone who has already entered". "Daily entries based on a
day on the planet Venus not allowed". "One entry per houshold."
"Members of household may not camp in tent on front yard so as
to no longer be considered part of household".
>"One entry per person" means exactly that. How complicated can it be...?
It isn't complicated but you cheaters are trying to skirt around the
rules. It doesn't say "one entry per person in your name". It says
one entry per person. You have been cheating so long that
you refuse to come to terms with the fact that you are not a good
person.
>the sponsor goes through all the entries, nobody's name/address should appear
>more than once. Pretty simple, no?
The rules don't say that. Show me any rules that say that. The rules
do not prohibit 20 people from entering the same name. They prohibit
one person from entering more than once. Of course I understand
that "one entry per person" does not mean 20 other people can enter
you because the entries are coming from someone else but according to
you this would be okay because the rules don't prohibit it. In fact
if you took the rules literally, 20 people would be able to enter you.
Bill
>I have seen rules like the ones you listed.... Obviously, as a serious
>sweepstaker I follow the rules and wouldn't think of breaching these...
>Besides, it is counter-productive- if the winner isn't there, then they
>don't win. These types of rules are predominately with local or drop off
>sweeps though, not internet or snail mail sweeps.
Hahahahaha. Maybe if Robin read and followed the rules instead of
doing whatever she feels like in an attempt to win she wouldn't
have posted that last embarrassing message.
>In defense of my previous point, if it doesn't prohibit it, it should be
>OK.. For instance, if the rules don't specify a #10 envelope, am I cheating
>by using a different sized envelope?? I think not..
No, but if they say one entry per envelope you can't stuff 500 entries
in one envelope because after all, they have other people's names on
them. According to you that would be okay because the rule of "one
entry per envelope" doesn't prohibit it any more than "one entry per
person" doesn't prohibit more than one entry by a person if they are
using someone elses name to enter.
>Also, I don't have kids, but I know plenty of people that enter their
>children's names into the sweepstakes, making their family the winner if the
>kids win.... I don't have kids, but I don't consider this to be cheating.
There are rules that say "if you are under 13 get your parents
permission to enter". Looks like the sponsors intend to have the
kid do the entering after asking their parents if it is okay. If it
were okay for the parent to enter for them than why would the
rules tell the kid to ask permission? Wouldn't they just say "if
you are under 13 have your parent enter for you? People who enter
their kids in an attempt "take" a prize away from a kid who actually
entered themself should be ashamed of themselves.
>Sorry for the tirade, but the 'cheaters' slag got me riled up more than the
>'Gee, you are SO lucky!' comment usually gets me.
Well it didn't get you as riled up as I got seeing the number
of people here who cheat and don't think twice about it.
Bill
Yeah because he would eliminate all entries from cheaters
and from the looks of this newsgroup, that would be just
about everyone.
Bill
>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>permission.
Why don't you do it with the permission of the sponsor of the
contest? If someone lends me their car and I drive it through
someone's house is that okay because the person I borrowed
the car from said it was okay to drive it through a house?
Bill
>sheri.l...@uwrf.edu wrote:
>>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>>permission.
>Geez what's with the "their permmission" stuff? You are violating the
>rules, why ask permission of the person you are entering?
Because they can cheat and feel it is justified. If they asked
the permission of the sweepstakes sponsor they would be
told "no".
Bill
.
>>>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>>>permission.
>>
>>Geez what's with the "their permmission" stuff? You are violating the
>>rules, why ask permission of the person you are entering?
>>
> normal courtesy would seem to apply here -- ask someone before giving
>out their name and address...
Yeah, you wouldn't want them getting upset with you if they
won a car.
Bill
I already aplogized for that but in case you missed it,
I am sorry. I was out of line, too harsh and should have
never resorted to that.
Bill
>Many wins -- even if someone enters for you!
That would be terrible! Imagine my anger at having
to accept a new car or trip! <G>.
Bill
From what I have gathered on this newsgroup, the idea is to get as
many people as possible to enter your name for you. Then you don't
have to enter online or through the mail. In fact you don't have to
enter at all. There are many people on this group who enter other
people into sweeps and contest. You should try contacting one or
all of them and see if they can help. They might charge a fee but at
least some of them will do it as thanks. <G>.
Robin
Bill wrote:
> Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>
> >Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
>
> Please post your info so I may enter your name in sweeps and contests
> that only allow one entry and will disqualify all entries if more than
> one is received. Since it will be me entering you a second time and
> not you, this will be okay and will give you a better chance of
> winning.
Those of us who enter others in sweeps, do so because we know the person we're entering
for will never enter themselves. So a sponsor finding more than one entry from them
will never be an issue. However, if *you're* entering for me, the sponsor will discover
duplicate entries from me. Instant disqualificaton. Nice try.
Look at it this way: The city I live in has a river dividing it into an east side and a
west side. When I enter sweep walk-ins on my side (east) I also enter my friend Robert
and his wife. When he finds a drop box on his side (west) he also enters me. Is this
"cheating"? I perfer to think of it as being... environmentally friendly. It saves us
gasoline, car wear & tear, and time. It also reduces pollution, traffic congestion and
it's resulting stress. So "cheating", as you put it, actually makes our planet and
society a better place!
Robin
Bill wrote:
> r...@brandon.net (R.M. Willis) wrote:
>
> >Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>
> >>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically forbid it.
>
> >"One entry per person" does specifically forbid it. According to you,
> >I could have 100 people enter my name if the rules say "one entry
> >per person" because I wouldn't be the one entering my name
> >more than once. The other 100 entries would be entered by other
> >people. If the rules don't specifically forbid it than it's okay
> >right? I can't believe the amount of greedy people who would stoop
> >so low and then try to rationalize it.
"One entry per person" means, no more than one entry per name/address. If there is more
than one entry per name/address, this entrant is disqualified. Jeez, folks, this isn't
nuclear physics.
Robin
Bill wrote:
Let's say you have a wife with M.S., in a wheel chair, and so little muscle
control she can't grip a pen. You're out and about one day, and you discover a
drop-box at Sears for a $1,000 shopping spree. You fill out an entry blank for
yourself. You want to enter your wife's name. What to do? Do you drive the 37
miles back home, prepair your wife for travel, struggle to get her into the car,
drive the 37 miles *back* to Sears, struggle to get her out of the car, spend 30
minutes navigating her around the mall, have *her* arkwardly fill out a entry
blank (which may be illegible), push her back through the mall, struggle her
back into the car, and drive the 37 miles back home, OR do you save you and her
hours of agravation and 111 miles of driving and gas, by just filling one out
for her (CHEATER!!!)?
Robin
Bill wrote:
I "cheat", and in the last 18 months, have won three trips worth $10,000, a
$4,500 cash prize, a car, and thousands of dollars more in other items. Trust
me folks, "cheating" pays!
Robin
Bill wrote:
> "SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
>
> >I have seen rules like the ones you listed.... Obviously, as a serious
> >sweepstaker I follow the rules and wouldn't think of breaching these...
> >Besides, it is counter-productive- if the winner isn't there, then they
> >don't win. These types of rules are predominately with local or drop off
> >sweeps though, not internet or snail mail sweeps.
>
> Hahahahaha. Maybe if Robin read and followed the rules instead of
> doing whatever she feels like in an attempt to win she wouldn't
> have posted that last embarrassing message.
First off, Robin is 102 % male. Second, I didn't post "that last embarrassing
message." Somebody else did.
Martha Lawson
jumped into this in the middle. But how would someone enter a lot of people
in a contest ? Don't they each have to have a different email address? Or
are you talking about drop box types? I would love to enter my hubby in
different contest because he is disabled but then the rules say"one per
email address " and that takes care of that!
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, was just wondering .
Now back to your regular network!
Martie
Bill wrote in message <70n30s$36o$2...@supernews.com>...
>"Steve Estvanik" <st...@cascoly.com> wrote:
>
>>>Not from the rules I read. True some say 1 entry per email address.
>>>Most say one entry per person and some say one entry per household.
>>>I still agree with Bill, it's cheating, dishonest, and not fair to
>>>those who actually entered themselves.
>
scoobydoo
You
people have been cheating so long and have been caught and don't
like
it. You are all defensive and deny that the rules prohibit that
which
they do.
Yup, Hands caught in the cookie jar.
--
When you open Windows, bugs get in!
Scoobydoo :-)
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Bill wrote in message <70n30s$36o$2...@supernews.com>...
scoobydoo
p.s.- Have you used Patrtition magic and do you like it?
--
When you open Windows, bugs get in!
Scoobydoo :-)
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Bill wrote in message <70n4a3$36o$8...@supernews.com>...
SweepGuy
entry per person" to mean that I as an enterer can only submit one entry. I
think the majority of the sweepstakes, and the judges, would:
1. Interpret this phrase to mean that of all the entries received, there
will no duplication of names.
2. Understand the spirit of the rule is not to give any ONE person an
unfavorable advantage over another entrant. #1 above assures this.
The fact that I enter my wife's name into a sweeps that I know she won't
enter, IN MY OPINION, is NOT a form of cheating. I also am quite CERTAIN
that this meets the letter and spirit of the rules...
As I said, your interpretation on this matter may differ... If you want a
clarification on this, why don't you send an e-mail to DL Blair or Young
America??
SweepGuy
limited sweepstakes more than once?? I don't enter a sweepstakes for
someone else if I think they have or will enter it themselves... BUT, if I
am in a grocery store, and it's the last day of the sweeps, and I am
comfortably sure that, say my mom who lives 50 miles away, that she hasn't
entered it, I'll drop in her name...
I don't want her to get disqualified, I want her to win!! The rules say,
one entry per person... Well, there is only one entry for me, one entry for
my wife, and one entry for my mom....
This is not cheating, and it isn't breaking the letter or spirit of the law.
Bill wrote in message <70n3lr$36o$5...@supernews.com>...
>Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>
>>No need for name calling. It's childish, unproductive, and causes bad
feelings.
>
>You're right. I was too harsh and should not have resorted to name
>calling. For that I aplogize. I'm sorry.
>
>>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules specifically
forbid it.
>
>Please post your info so I may enter your name in sweeps and contests
>that only allow one entry and will disqualify all entries if more than
>one is received. Since it will be me entering you a second time and
>not you, this will be okay and will give you a better chance of
>winning. I have never seen rules for a sweepstakes or contest
SweepGuy
what it's all about. I don't understand why it's so hard for them to
understand why someone would want to be nice to another person, except that
it reduces their chance of winning....
Robin wrote in message <362F432A...@SpiritOne.com>...
>
>
>Bill wrote:
>
>> r...@brandon.net (R.M. Willis) wrote:
>>
>> >Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Entering other people's names is cheating ONLY if the rules
specifically forbid it.
>>
>> >"One entry per person" does specifically forbid it. According to you,
>> >I could have 100 people enter my name if the rules say "one entry
>> >per person" because I wouldn't be the one entering my name
>> >more than once. The other 100 entries would be entered by other
>> >people. If the rules don't specifically forbid it than it's okay
>> >right? I can't believe the amount of greedy people who would stoop
>> >so low and then try to rationalize it.
>
>"One entry per person" means, no more than one entry per name/address. If
SweepGuy
sweepstakes gets you onto mailing lists. Some of my neighbors DO NOT want
to be on these lists, so although they are happy for my wins, they have
politely asked me not to enter them... No prob... Also, if you win a prize,
you have to pay taxes... Some don't want the tax liability, especially for
something you can't sell like a vacation... But then again, you don't have
to accept it. The point being, it is just courtesy to ask first.. It kinda
goes along with that cheating debate.. I'm not trying to stuff the box, I'm
only entering for those that I know would want a prize, but either would not
or could not normally enter, but would be eligible otherwise....
Bill wrote in message <70n64e$36o$1...@supernews.com>...
SweepGuy
Bill wrote in message <70n604$36o$1...@supernews.com>...
>sheri.l...@uwrf.edu wrote:
>
>>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>>permission.
>
SweepGuy
Robin wrote in message <362F4733...@SpiritOne.com>...
SweepGuy
Robin wrote in message <362F4822...@SpiritOne.com>...
>
>
>Bill wrote:
>
>> "SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
>>
>> >To quote Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
>>
>> >With that said however, is it just me, or does it seem that the people
that
>> >are making or agreeing with the 'cheating' accusation actually just
sound
>> >like they are whining that they don't win enough??
>>
>> Actually I have won several things including a trip to Florida for
>> two, a color laptop computer, a Lexmark laser printer, Windows
>> 98, Plus 98 pack for W98, a 56 K dual standard v.90 external
>> modem, Partition Magic 4.0, a bunch of other software and things
>> I don't even remember. Best of all I won all of this without cheating,
>> entering other people, or having other people enter me. Once again
>> you are ashamed of yourself so are saying people who abide by
>> the rules are whining.
>> at you
>
SweepGuy
quite happy you have won!! I celebrate for anyone I know that wins!! I
love this hobby.
Bill wrote in message <70n4a3$36o$8...@supernews.com>...
SweepGuy
not single entries for multiple people.
Bill wrote in message <70n625$36o$1...@supernews.com>...
>r...@brandon.net (R.M. Willis) wrote:
>
>>sheri.l...@uwrf.edu wrote:
>
>>>Oh, get a life, Bill! I enter other family members, WITH their
>>>permission.
>
>>Geez what's with the "their permmission" stuff? You are violating the
>>rules, why ask permission of the person you are entering?
>
SweepGuy
1. I never have, nor do I condone entering more than one entry in an
envelope, even if the rules do not prohibit it.. An entry is an entry, no
matter whose name is on it. So please do not reference me to a statement
that I do not agree with, and is completely incorrect.
2. I think you may have some lacking of legal understanding... The main
reason that sponsors want a child permission is that any contract with a
child is voidable at any time at the whim of the child. Therefore, even if
a child enters, they sponsor will award the prize to a parent or guardian.
Additionally, it's just common sense that they don't want to show up at a
prize winners house and have the kid's parents be all confused and such...
3. It's not cheating... Use some critical thinking.
Bill wrote in message <70n5ol$36o$1...@supernews.com>...
>"SweepGuy" <ada...@ilinkusa.net> wrote:
>
>>I have seen rules like the ones you listed.... Obviously, as a serious
>>sweepstaker I follow the rules and wouldn't think of breaching these...
>>Besides, it is counter-productive- if the winner isn't there, then they
>>don't win. These types of rules are predominately with local or drop off
>>sweeps though, not internet or snail mail sweeps.
>
>Hahahahaha. Maybe if Robin read and followed the rules instead of
>doing whatever she feels like in an attempt to win she wouldn't
>have posted that last embarrassing message.
>
SweepGuy
SweepGuy
C'mon Bill, quit trying to twist this around to pervert the rules, and maybe
we'll quit thinking that you are a stupid person.
Bill wrote in message <70n520$36o$9...@supernews.com>...
>Robin <rBul...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
>
>>Anybody ever seen these rules?:
>
>>"Must be present to enter." "An entrant will not submit entries for
other
>>people." "The winning entry must be in the entrants own handwriting."
>
>Anybody ever seen these rules?
>
>"One entry per person". Other people may not submit entries for
>someone who has already entered". "Daily entries based on a
>day on the planet Venus not allowed". "One entry per houshold."
>"Members of household may not camp in tent on front yard so as
> to no longer be considered part of household".
>
>>"One entry per person" means exactly that. How complicated can it be...?
>
>It isn't complicated but you cheaters are trying to skirt around the
>rules. It doesn't say "one entry per person in your name". It says
>one entry per person. You have been cheating so long that
>you refuse to come to terms with the fact that you are not a good
>person.
>
>>the sponsor goes through all the entries, nobody's name/address should
appear
>>more than once. Pretty simple, no?
>
>The rules don't say that. Show me any rules that say that. The rules
>do not prohibit 20 people from entering the same name. They prohibit
>one person from entering more than once. Of course I understand
>that "one entry per person" does not mean 20 other people can enter
>you because the entries are coming from someone else but according to
>you this would be okay because the rules don't prohibit it. In fact
>if you took the rules literally, 20 people would be able to enter you.
>
>
Laine
What many people in your situation would do is open a free e-mail
account for the disabled hubby at Juno or Hotmail or Netaddress or
Yahoo and then he will have his own e-mail address to enter. The
debate is if doing that would be wrong. I think this is a question for
each person to decide their ethics and morals themselves. I do not
believe that disabled people should be disqualified from sweepstakes:
that seems like a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. If
you do other mail tasks for him then to me it does not seem out of line
for you to do sweeps for him.
Similarly a woman in her 60s wrote in that she and her husband are
disabled and enter for their various caretakers as a way of saying
thanks. Personally I have no objection to this; I have seen how little
money disability pays. These people can barely afford non-food items
like toilet paper and sanitary supplies let alone gifts.
To me as long as there is a warm body who is going to keep the prize,
or the profits from selling it, it is not cheating. To me cheating is
when you ask all your friends and neighbors to let you use their
addresses and let you keep the prize. THAT would be cheating. If you
are letting the other person keep the prize, I am personally not
offended by this. If you are making up PO boxes and using your middle
name and using 30 fake e-mail addresses that is cheating!
So, for me it is motive, I guess. Is the motive greed, or giving?
Legally, the person who wins the prize is entitled to it, and many
prizes are non-transferable. I would think some cheaters would be out
of luck if the other party chose to keep the prize. <g>
If people are so riled up about this why not invite one of the
companies that handles random drawings to share their thoughts? Does
anyone know how to contact one of them to do that?
~Susan
--
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http://www.talkway.com
Bill
>Those of us who enter others in sweeps, do so because we know the person we're entering
>for will never enter themselves.
That's the the problem. You are giving a chance to win to someone who
will NEVER bother to enter themselves while taking a chance away from
someone who has taken the time to enter. Why should someone win who
is to lazy or uninterested to enter themselves while those who took
the time to enter lose to someone who didn't.
> So a sponsor finding more than one entry from them
>will never be an issue. However, if *you're* entering for me, the sponsor will discover
>duplicate entries from me. Instant disqualificaton. Nice try.
Not true according to you and the rules. The entry that I put in for
you was not from you. It was from me. The rules do not say "one
entry per person's name" they say "one entry per person".
>Look at it this way: The city I live in has a river dividing it into an east side and a
You can't even read the rules and follow them so stop with the
absurd comparisons. You are a cheater pure and simple.
It is a blow to your ego to realize that you are so now you are
trying to rationalize it.
>> I have never seen rules for a sweepstakes or contest
>> in which there is a limit of one entry per person specifically
>> forbiding many other people from entering the same person so
>> it is okay.
No comment on this?
Bill
>"One entry per person" means, no more than one entry per name/address. If there is more
>than one entry per name/address, this entrant is disqualified. Jeez, folks, this isn't
>nuclear physics.
That is NOT what the rules say. They say "one entry per person" not
"one entry per person's name". The rules specifically do not say
"one entry per name/address". You won't even follow the rules as
they are stated and now you are trying to tell us what you think they
mean. What they mean is one entry per person using their name
or anyone elses. How many contests would give a prize to someone
if they admitted they didn't enter but someone did it for them?
Bill
Please stop with all the stupid comparisons to justify your cheating.
You admitted you don't follow the rules as they are posted. You
interperet them in a way that justifies your cheating ways and then
come up with some stupid comparison that in no way has anything
to do with the subject.
Bill
>I "cheat", and in the last 18 months, have won three trips worth $10,000, a
>$4,500 cash prize, a car, and thousands of dollars more in other items. Trust
>me folks, "cheating" pays!
You stufffed the entry box with all your friends names so that those
people who really entered themselves couldn't win.