!Browse and SLIPDial problem ?
Ray Briddock
specifically !Webserve, does not coexist very well with
SLIPdial.
If this contauns a grain of truth then it may go some way
to explaining the instability of my Internet setup since
adopting !Browse/!Webserve as my browser combination.
Is there any further information on this... like how to cure
it, or a later version of SLIPDial ?
Before anyone suggests !Socketeer... yes, I've tried it. and
I have not got on too well with it. It seem much slower than
the !Acornet setup.
--
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http://www.alphabeta.demon.co.uk (Updated 23/8/1998)
Timothy Baldwin
Ray Briddock <R...@alphabeta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I seem to recall reading somewhere that !Browse, or more
> specifically !Webserve, does not coexist very well with
> SLIPdial.
> If this contauns a grain of truth then it may go some way
> to explaining the instability of my Internet setup since
> adopting !Browse/!Webserve as my browser combination.
Only that the default configuration of Webserve doesn't work at all.
Are you using Demon's Energis number (0845 079 8666)? I have had problems
with it similar problem with it recently (Slipdial + Acorn PPP + Dynalink
56K modem V1456VQE), the Colt number (0845 353 5666) seems to be fine.
Ray Briddock
Timothy Baldwin <t...@reinhouse.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Yes. I am using the energis number. To get > 36k throughput.
I will try switching back to Colt to see if it makes a difference.
Roy Robinson
not the money grabbing management that have nearly always tried to ruin
things we need a Steve Jobes NOW. Peter stop messing with that motobike.
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Peter Bondar
I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
peter
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Roy Robinson wrote in message ...
Toby Mackenzie
In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>, Peter Bondar
<URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
Come on Peter! Do something about this terrible situation - your a top man
and you are the one who can make a difference.
I could almost guarantee that every true backer of Acorn computers would be
on your side...
Kind regards,
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Orpington, Kent
Rob Hemmings
>
> peter
The short answer is a resounding *YES*.
Your personal charisma could make a huge difference to the credibility of
any rescue attempt. In fact just seeing that you are taking an interest
already makes me feel more optimistic than anything else I have seen since
the "Black Thursday" news broke.
As I've said in several other threads I'm sure there would be a large number
of potential small investors in any realistic prospect of continuing with
Risc OS machines - I would certainly be one.
However, I think the important thing now is for *all* those with real
ideas/capability/money to get together and try to form a coherent plan. The
last thing we want is lots of half baked rescue attempts going off in
different directions and pulling the Risc OS world apart. Somebody like
"the head honcho" would make an excellent rallying point!
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Sam Smith
WE WOULD.
Whether it would matter is not up to me, but is up to the
consortia looking to buy Workstations.
You *ARE* the head honcho. You were around for the comments when
you left Acorn - you know how much we respect you - you could
make the difference.
You said you were looking for a startup - here may be the
start-up no one here ever wanted to exist. Maybe you are the guy
who could make it work.
Cheers
Sam Smith
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
> peter
>
> --
> Peter Bondar
> "so many toys, so little time"
>
>
>
> Roy Robinson wrote in message ...
> > Acorn is the community and the engineers who have have made
> > it possible not the money grabbing management that have
> > nearly always tried to ruin things we need a Steve Jobes NOW.
> > Peter stop messing with that motobike.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Roy Robinson / ACD Press / Birdtech
> >Acorn Computer/Design/Print/Publish
> >Tel: 01493 600966 Fax: 01493 442445
> >Email: bird...@argonet.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>
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Rob Hemmings <rhem...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>, "Peter Bondar"
> >
> > peter
> The short answer is a resounding *YES*.
> Your personal charisma could make a huge difference to the credibility of
> any rescue attempt. In fact just seeing that you are taking an interest
> already makes me feel more optimistic than anything else I have seen
> since the "Black Thursday" news broke.
Damn right. People would respond to informed leadership. We'd like to
help, but how?
The appeal of these machines is the combination of processor, OS, GUI,
reliability & lasting power, a number of excellent and many more at least
adequate commercial applications (astonishingly cheap, most of them), some
amazingly good free- and shareware, a big mutually supporting network of
users (and programmers).
Disregard the moans about Acorn products - just family bitching. Really we
value what we have and badly want to keep it.
We'd lose most of it by trying to reproduce half-baked versions on other
platforms.
So sound people out and tell us what's practical and what, if anything, we
can do. Please.
Bob Ardler.
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Gary Henderson
>
>
> As I've said in several other threads I'm sure there would be a large number
> of potential small investors in any realistic prospect of continuing with
> Risc OS machines - I would certainly be one.
>
--
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- I'd rather be flying my kite!!!!
Alan Gustard
<pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
Damn right it matters, and we care very much!!
Alan
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Paul C.Robinson
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
>
> --
> Peter Bondar
> "so many toys, so little time"
Come on Peter you must have many views on the events that have unfolded.
You may even have some idea how the Workstation group or Phoebe/Phoenix
can be raised from the ashes.
I for one think that Phoebe was the first step to a full multiprocessing
multitasking world beating system or at least it had the potential to be.
First the main hardware tested with the friendly RiscOS. Then a new
MultiPRiscOS and a host of ARM's doing multiprocessing all in a desktop
computer.
That has to be the way forward, electrons can not go much faster and
light sensitive CPU's are a long way off yet, so Multi Processing
is the only way forward.
Acorn could have been the first. Now who will pick up the flag.
PC's and Mac's are dead in the water or soon will be.
Stan could not see it. A mistake was made when the Media Group was
closed and now been revived. Workstations is following the same
error. It will have to be revived sooner or later. Sooner if a new
MultiPRiscOS is to ready.
Phoebe/Phoenix will sell. Clan members were only waiting for official
forms. I was one of them and I still would be happy to part with
my money up front. There are many more just like me in the NG's.
Have a word with Laurie at Aleph. He phoned you once, and you returned.
I hope he could help you to do it again :-)
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Noel Hitchcock
<URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
> peter
>
> --
> Peter Bondar
> "so many toys, so little time"
YES, YES and again YES we care.
Noel Hitchcock
>
>
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Danny Lawrence
<URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
Please, please come back.
> --
> Peter Bondar
--
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Paul Vigay
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
> peter
Is this the real Peter Bondar? and if so, why are you posting using
Microsoft Outlook Express???? :-)
If you are the real Peter Bondar then count me as firmly behind anything
you may decide to do. We're all behind you.
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Peter Bondar
other interests ahem' the 'bean counters'
wanted me to pay significantly more for my 4 year old RiscPC than a member
of staff
would pay for a brand new one.
It struck me that as the product manager for the RiscPC and creator of the
most succesful
product in recent Acorn history, not too mention 8 years hard labour that
they could
have been a bit more generous on what to Acorn was a fully depreciated
product!!!!!!!
ie worth nothing to them,,ie I was giving them £300 more than it cost them
to build to buy my own baby back!
Does that sound like a good deal?
So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
boot
and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
peter
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"so many toys, so little time"
Paul Vigay wrote in message
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John Haines
Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
I'd placed an order. I care.
John
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> the question is would it matter /would you care?
*YES* ... and *YES*
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Darren Salt
"Peter Bondar" <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Roy Robinson wrote in message ...
>> Acorn is the community and the engineers who have have made it possible
>> not the money grabbing management that have nearly always tried to ruin
>> things we need a Steve Jobes NOW. Peter stop messing with that motobike.
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
Definitely.
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
Go for it :-)
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>the question is would it matter /would you care?
Yes it does, and we do.
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Joyce Haslam
Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
I care, oh yes I care!
But I can't afford a new computer (I replaced my A5000 with a RiscPC
in July); I was hoping to afford a Strong Arm in the next year or two
and maybe a PC card after that. There are little things like food,
clothes and holidays too.
Can a new Acorn machine make a profit? I honestly do not know.
Joyce.
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Tim Nicholson
<URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
>
> peter
I run a mixed economy of NT4, Mac OS and Risc OS, it is the latter that
keeps me sane, the others are there because I have to. The thought of
being forced into that environment only makes me shudder!
So, yes, I care.
--
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Richard J. Hesketh
<URL:mailto:Pa...@havaccnt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I for one think that Phoebe was the first step to a full multiprocessing
> multitasking world beating system or at least it had the potential to be.
Certainly the potential was there - but it would have meant a fundamental
rewrite of RISC OS, or conversion to another OS...
> Acorn could have been the first. Now who will pick up the flag.
First with what, exactly? Nothing you have described is new...
> PC's and Mac's are dead in the water or soon will be.
Now that's just a silly remark! What do you mean by this Paul? Explain it,
and back it up!
> Stan could not see it. A mistake was made when the Media Group was
> closed and now been revived. Workstations is following the same
> error. It will have to be revived sooner or later. Sooner if a new
> MultiPRiscOS is to ready.
Can't see it myself. Somebody else might have the vision/cash though...
> Phoebe/Phoenix will sell. Clan members were only waiting for official
> forms. I was one of them and I still would be happy to part with
> my money up front. There are many more just like me in the NG's.
True enough. But in what numbers will it sell? Somebody has to be able to
at least cut a small profit somewhere for all the effort involved in
producing, marketing & distributing the beast - that's not easy in such a
tiny market!
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Mark Fraser
Alan Gustard <al...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>, "Peter Bondar"
> <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > the question is would it matter /would you care?
> >
> > I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
> Damn right it matters, and we care very much!!
Seconded.
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Rob Hemmings
<pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the reason I'm using Outlook express is that when I left Acorn 'to pursue
> other interests ahem' the 'bean counters' wanted me to pay significantly
> more for my 4 year old RiscPC than a member of staff would pay for a brand
> new one.
> It struck me that as the product manager for the RiscPC and creator of the
> most succesful product in recent Acorn history, not too mention 8 years
> hard labour that they could have been a bit more generous on what to Acorn
> was a fully depreciated product!!!!!!!
> ie worth nothing to them,,ie I was giving them £300 more than it cost them
> to build to buy my own baby back!
> Does that sound like a good deal?
> boot and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
Clearly those who now head Acorn have no souls!
This is a very uncomfortable time (major change is always painful) but if
some of the iniatives now being talked about actually happen it may be that
we are much better off without the current Acorn. What is needed is to get
Risc OS computers back under the control of those who actually care about
them rather than how much money they can make for the corporate
shareholders.
Lets hope this is really the start of a hugely improved future for Risc OS
machines.
Everyone can do something to help even if it is simply to stop talk of
"jumping ship" and start being positive. We need to encourage those in a
position to take real action not make them think that by the time they can
do anything we will have all gone away.
When something does happen lets all try *not* to moan about it even if it is
not the 100 processor machine with 10 gigabytes of memory running at a clock
speed of 50000 MHz for about ukp500 that some people seem to want. We all
need to support whatever is achieved for it to have a fair chance of
success.
Jim Lesurf
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
Yes!
There are quite a few of us who want to buy new RiscOS machines with a
better spec than RPC1. We would be prepared to put money up front and/or
official orders to see the RiscOS desktop machines continue to move
forward.
It matters. To us who feel that RiscOS is the only bearable - and
*enjoyable* - working environment, and who have developed, and work on
software and hardware.
Bugger the bean counters and the people with no vision. Go for it. You
won't be alone.
Slainte,
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Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
Do something about it then.
We've got the enthusiasm.
It looks like we're getting the money together (Eidos etc).
All we need is some leadership to co-ordinate the recovery.
Acorn as we knew it died when you left. We need our head honcho back.
The masses, washed or otherwise, are behind you, Peter. 'Black Thursday'
might just turn out to be the start of a new era.
Acorn had the chance to rule the world with the original Archimedes.
Through various circumstances they blew it. Don't let it get thrown away
again.
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Kai
> the reason I'm using Outlook express is that when I left
> Acorn 'to pursue other interests ahem' the 'bean counters'
> wanted me to pay significantly more for my 4 year old RiscPC
> than a member of staff would pay for a brand new one.
Oooo, nasty...
> It struck me that as the product manager for the RiscPC
> and creator of the most succesful product in recent Acorn
> history, not too mention 8 years hard labour that they
> could have been a bit more generous on what to Acorn was
> a fully depreciated product!!!!!!!
Sounds petty minded to me. Sounds like a night of the long
knifes to me. Loyality is diminishing in the dog-eat-dog
state of affairs.
> ie worth nothing to them,,ie I was giving them £300 more
> than it cost them to build to buy my own baby back!
>
> Does that sound like a good deal?
Sounds like Acorn wanted to bury the memory of Peter Bondar,
hey but Peter Bondar is definitely the most likeable UK
tecnologist we've got. It all seemed to have gone flat last
year, too many panicking bean-counters, cut this, change
that, sack them, change this name that name, in-out/in-out
shake it all about. If you can't make technology exciting
you make it about as interesting as a dishwasher...
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does
> blow up every 7th boot and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w
> stiffs, fun isn't it?
So Acorn after confusing all and sundry with the management
reshuffles they've gone M.A.D. (Mututally Assured Destruction).
Do I care about Acorn? Probably about as much as Manchester
United fans care about Man Utd. To me Acorn isn't just a
business, it's actually something more than that. It would
appear to me that Acorn has wanted to actually separate
itself from customers, enthusiasts and developers. Which
it has finally done, it's kind of separated itself little
by little, starting with education. I mean to say I'm in a
developers collective and received and email from Dave
Walker Tuesday and it said:
> Acorn Developer News 15/09/98
>
> Stop Press: "She's Alive!"
> --------------------------
> You'll be pleased to know that a production-design Phoebe
> motherboard fitted
> with an early-silicon IOMD2 ASIC booted RISC OS 4.0 for
> the first time this morning.
Eeek, I think maybe the Number 4 has proven to be unlucky )-:
Then received the following: Acorn Developer News 17/09/1998
[SNIPPED]
> So Long, and Thanks...
> ----------------------
> This is the last developer missive you will receive from
> me. As part of the reorganisation detailed above, my
> position has been made redundant.
So it looks to me like Acorn Computer Ltd has finally
crapped on those of us who've supported it through thick
and thin. What kind of loyality is that, loyality to the
shareowners, pounds, shillings and pence...
It would seem to me that finally that sad, oh so bloody
sad, prediction I made based on the economics of higher
prices leading to fewer buyers, has lead to this point
when we are left with 1 thing left, ie the Workstation
division and only one buyer who will either afford it
or not.
See ya - Here's just another example of powerlessness! )-:
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Richard Adkins
<URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
>
> --
> Peter Bondar
> "so many toys, so little time"
With the way you turned Acorn around over the last few years do you want to
see what you built up wither and die?
If there is a man who can it's Peter Bondar.
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Victor Shears
Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every
> 7th boot and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
Sorry to here you where treated less than fairly Peter.
I think that any rescue package will fair far better with you on board than
without you.
That I along with most of the other subscribers to this newsgroup care
about the continued development of the Acorn Platform can be taken as read.
The question is do enough of the movers and shakers who can organise a
credible rescue or by out care and can enough business be found to make it
viable?.
If RISC PC / Phoebe is produced put me down for one (I was going to order
one next week anyway).
Cheers Vic
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created:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
That /was/ a rhetorical question, wasn't it? :-| (Well I'm trying to
smile under the circulstances) - of course Acorn users care - that's why
(apart from practical reasons) we have stuck with Acorn for so many years!
Best wishes
Keith
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Wayne Bagguley
"Peter Bondar" <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the reason I'm using Outlook express is that when I left Acorn 'to pursue
> other interests ahem' the 'bean counters'
> wanted me to pay significantly more for my 4 year old RiscPC than a member
> of staff
> would pay for a brand new one.
>
> It struck me that as the product manager for the RiscPC and creator of the
> most succesful
> product in recent Acorn history, not too mention 8 years hard labour that
> they could
> have been a bit more generous on what to Acorn was a fully depreciated
> product!!!!!!!
>
> ie worth nothing to them,,ie I was giving them £300 more than it cost them
> to build to buy my own baby back!
>
> Does that sound like a good deal?
>
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
No, it's not fun. Try BeOS. Stable, quick, has PMT, SMP etc etc.
Basically it's not far off what I imagined Galileo to end up as.
PS, thanks for the Acorn badge at AW last year, it's a pity I'm
ashamed to wear it anymore.
PPS, yes, we care.
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Keith Hall
"Peter Bondar" <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
Not that anyone's counting (however I bet /someone/ is!), but yes!
Keith.
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In message <ant19141...@optima0.tv.bbc.co.uk>
Tim Nicholson <t...@qwertyuiop.com> wrote:
> In article <6u03i5$ol9$1...@supernews.com>, Peter Bondar
> <URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> > boot
> > and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
> >
> > peter
>
> I run a mixed economy of NT4, Mac OS and Risc OS, it is the latter that
> keeps me sane, the others are there because I have to. The thought of
> being forced into that environment only makes me shudder!
I do not want to be pro-PC or something, but there is something that i
want to say.
I had an A3000. then moved to an A5000, then to the Risc PC and finally
i moved to a StrongARM card. And, yes, i have a real PC at home. Shame
on me, ok.
But what i want to tell you is the following: My PC "runs" Windows
fine (had 95, then upgraded to Win98). It doesnt fall over. I just need
to reinstall windows and applications after i got a new hard disk.
The reasons for having no problems are very simple. I didn't buy
a "complete out-of-the-box-pc ", but i got single items and put it
myself together.
Most PCs fail due to components who better had been dumped in the
toilet...
And, yes, i need my PC until i can have an Acorn(?) or Phoebe which
is capable of running Quake2, and supporting 3D graphic cards like
3dFX Voodoo(²) or something. :-))))
bye
Torsten
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Richard Adkins
>
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
>
> peter
>
>
> --
> Peter Bondar
> "so many toys, so little time"
Welcome to Wintel land!
After spending the last six months working with Window box (which is all
they are probably an good for) I can appreciate you fustration! The only
thing which kept me sane was a dose of RISC-OS on an evening. A guaranteed
cure for stressed out Systems Engineers working on PC's.
Maybe it would be a good start if Peter got his "baby" back, so the Window
box could just become that or a door stop. It might just stimulate the
creation of the master plan.
David Marston
Keith Hall <ke...@tpsphere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>
> "Peter Bondar" <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> Not that anyone's counting (however I bet /someone/ is!), but yes!
Just in case anyone is, I care a lot too. I was another person who intended
to turn up at AW with my credit card, ready to pay my deposit (and there
seem to have been more than a few saying that in the last couple of days)
I'm not totally convinced by people talking about moving to UNIX though,
I don't see how that would really be the same platform (if we'd wanted
to use it then I'm sure we would all have gone by now).
--
David Marston
it...@nottingham.ac.uk
J W B Greenwood
<URL:mailto:bird...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Acorn is the community and the engineers who have have made it possible
> not the money grabbing management that have nearly always tried to ruin
> things we need a Steve Jobes NOW. Peter stop messing with that motobike.
>
>
>
You could e-mail Herman Hauser, he's still into computers.
--
Andrew P. Harmsworth Esq.
<snow...@majic12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> PS, thanks for the Acorn badge at AW last year, it's a pity I'm
> ashamed to wear it anymore.
Yes - thanks for mine, too! I've got an Xemplar one as well - might start
wearing that to shows instead...
APH
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Iain Williamson
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
> peter
Yes, it does matter. I've never had to learn to use RiscOS computers,
beyond learning what the mouse is, and what icons do. It all fits from
there. This isn't the case for any other computer I've used.
RiscOS makes my life easier. It's a tool, and I don't like to have to
learn to use a tool. I will pay for a quality tool, and a RiscOS
computer is no exception.
And yes, I would care for a successor to my Risc PC, in whatever form
it comes.
If another computer is made that is based on the same principles as
RiscOS was, but does the job faster, then I'll buy it. It's not a
matter of faith.
Iain
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Richard Torrens
elsewhere.
Acorn matters.
Acorn is British: we have a long history of beating the world in technology
- then letting it die in the water.
Let it not happen to Acorn.
We need a leader to focus all the positive help that has been offered: Peter
Bondar sounds like our best hope - and plently of people have made noisess
about raising capital.
But we should all do our bit to raise the Acorn/British flag. Show the world
we've got the best!
I run a small British company: we are selling into the states: not a lot,
but the customers who are using us find that we can beat the competition
over there.
So can Acorn! We Brits are not outspoken - but time and time again we have
the BEST technology. We simply don't shout about it. We should!
Some while ago I did my bit by putting up a pro-Acorn page of our www site:
it gets read by non Acorn users. Not a huge number - currently 384 a day.
I've had several interested responses.
If everyone did their bit for Acorn/British technology, Acorn (and lots of
other failed British companies) would not fail!
So I'm standing up to be counted!
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Uncle Greyboots
<it...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> In message <d1d1308848%ke...@tpsphere.demon.co.uk>
> Keith Hall <ke...@tpsphere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Peter Bondar" <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > the question is would it matter /would you care?
> >
>
I care, too. I can't offer any personal cash - but as a school IT
coordinator who has refused to spend good money on anything but good
computers, and is looking forward to entering the ranks of the networked
with an all-RiscOS system in a couple of weeks, I'd like to think that
there's a better future for the children we teach than to have the budget
swallowed up by eternal repair bills and throw-away-and-replace costs.
FWIW - you have my vote.
Graham
(Uncle G.)
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John McCartney
Kai <Ana...@Large.Net> wrote:
> Do I care about Acorn? Probably about as much as Manchester
> United fans care about Man Utd. To me Acorn isn't just a
> business, it's actually something more than that.
Unlike Kai, I am just a user, but, like Kai, I cared about Acorn as it
was. I've flown the flag at work in the face of official scepticism and
that of my colleagues, since 1987. In 83 and 84 I was in good company, we
all had BBC Bs but then, gradually, they all were seduced by the PC. When
I broke the news to my immediate colleagues on Friday morning I was rather
surprised by their sympathetic reaction; they obviously realised how badly
I felt about it all, though there was some gentle leg-pulling.
I have no intention of deserting our platform, I can stay more productive
than my colleagues for several years yet on the basis of my present
set-up, a SA RPC.
I can only give my moral support to a rescue package for RPC2 at the
moment as my immediate plans centre on Peanut, as they have done since
Wakefield. In fact I have just e-mailed Paul Corke at IMS to assure him of
another sale. However, if the platform does go ahead, be certain that at
some point in the future I shall be there with fist full of readies.
Good luck to us all,
John
PS: Amazingly, David Hewson has nothing to say about Acorn this morning, I
wonder if he knows yet?
--
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joh...@argonet.co.uk
Steve Bradburn
Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> So yes I have got a pc running windows98 and yes it does blow up every 7th
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
Peter,
How did you manage to get rid of the chainsaw marks? And how did
you glue the motherboard back together, after what was done to it at AW a
few years back!
ps. put me down on the "I care" list too!
--
Steve Bradburn,
Acorn RiscPC 700 and Psion 3c (though not always at the same time!)
Stephen Wright
JOIN TOGETHER TO HELP US SAVE RISCOS & PHOEBE!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Following yesterdays announcement that Acorn are to completely
> abandon the Phoebe and RiscOS development, 'postpone' Acorn World, and
> exit from making desktop computers, users have got together and decided
> to work on a scheme to continue RiscOS development, reorganise Acorn
> World at a later date, and to produce Phoebe. To start the ball
> rolling, a mailing list has been launched, to bring together people
> interested in working on this project. If you would like to discuss what
> is happening, and what is being done, and maybe help in the project,
> e-mail me at mailto:acorn...@ask4.co.uk to be included in the list.
> A dedicated phone line has also been set up, so if you have any
> queries you can phone or fax us on 0181 371 9754. A further announcement
> on csaa will follow in a couple of days. Together, with your help and
> enthusiasm, the Acorn Community can really change the situation.
> If you are a developer and you have not been contacted by us by 5:00
> tomorrow, please give us a ring or e-mail mailto:xi...@argonet.co.uk
> After speaking to John Lee, a representative of these people, and please
> forgive me as details are a bit sparse at the moment, it would appear
> they have contacted a large number of developers, users and dealers in
> order to try and set up a public limited company whos aim is to produce
> the Phoebe motherboard and bring RISC OS 4 to a releasable state.
> Their plan seems to be to sell just the motherboard to dealers and the
> dealer would source the case, power supply, etc. using standard PC
> components and supply a system exactly to their customers particular
> specifications (just like how you buy a PC today in fact).
> The company would like to redesign parts of the Phoebe motherboard, for > example, adding USB ports, adding back in multi ARM processor support
> and selling it with full PC capability (the Pentium 300MHz was
> mentioned).
> Also in their plans (which at this time are only 30 hours old!) is to
> have the Acorn World show put back on.
Stuart added:
> Well, a bold plan and one which I'm sure you'll agree that it just goes > to show that the Acorn community will not take Acorns board decision
> lying down! We at Quantum Software wish them every success and I'll be
> updating this page as I get more news. <stu...@quantumsoft.co.uk">
A bold plan and I wish them all the best, but wouldn't it be more
realistic to redesign it as a PCI card to fit in a PC? It would be a much
smaller risk for purchasers, many will already have or (now) be
reluctantly, thinking of getting a PC. I should be far more likely to buy
a PCI card than consider a new RISC PC 2.5, at the moment, in view of the
current uncertainty regarding its future viability. (I was intending to
order a Phoebe at AW, hoping that there would be more hard information
about what was actually included by then.)
If it had the right software you could market it as a hardware add on from
which you could access Windows and correct startup errors etc. Sneak it
into the PC market and people would start to realise how bad W95 etc are.
You could then return to a proper RISC OS computer with a reasonable
chance of market penetration.
--
Stephen Wright @ Home
James Hammerton
> the reason I'm using Outlook express is that when I left Acorn 'to pursue
> other interests ahem' the 'bean counters'
> wanted me to pay significantly more for my 4 year old RiscPC than a member
> of staff
> would pay for a brand new one.
>
> It struck me that as the product manager for the RiscPC and creator of the
> most succesful
> product in recent Acorn history, not too mention 8 years hard labour that
> they could
> have been a bit more generous on what to Acorn was a fully depreciated
> product!!!!!!!
>
> ie worth nothing to them,,ie I was giving them £300 more than it cost them
> to build to buy my own baby back!
>
> Does that sound like a good deal?
>
> boot
> and yes lots of my windows 95 s/w stiffs, fun isn't it?
Acorn seem to have developed a talent for crapping on people from a
great height. My sympathy goes out to all the people who have been
laid off.
I feel awkward asking this because I'm not in a position to do much
for this project myself unless/until something comes out of it, but
would you be interested in the ideas being put forward by Forbidden
Technologies and discussed in the thread of the same name? It might be
the way to save RiscOS, IMHO.
James
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James MacDonald
<pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote (in 28 lines):
>the question is would it matter /would you care?
Yes. Yes. YES! Dammit, I was *dreaming* about Phoebe last night.
>I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
When Phoebe is launched, I'll bring my P75 and borrow your chainsaw.
Phoebe *works* - it has booted RO4. All that needs to be done is
licensing RO4, and getting enough $ for production to take place. I have
a spare UKP 500 and I know what I want to spend it on.
The only question remaining is, how can we put a toaster into a Phoebe?
Stuart Bell
> And, yes, i need my PC until i can have an Acorn(?) or Phoebe which
> is capable of running Quake2,
fascinating definition of 'need'! ;-)
--
Stuart Bell
writing from a Wintel-free zone.
Mike Kinghan
Rob Hemmings <rhem...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>, "Peter Bondar"
> <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > the question is would it matter /would you care?
> >
> > I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
> >
> > peter
>
>
> The short answer is a resounding *YES*.
>
> Your personal charisma could make a huge difference to the credibility of
> any rescue attempt. In fact just seeing that you are taking an interest
> already makes me feel more optimistic than anything else I have seen since
> the "Black Thursday" news broke.
>
> As I've said in several other threads I'm sure there would be a large number
> of potential small investors in any realistic prospect of continuing with
> Risc OS machines - I would certainly be one.
>
> However, I think the important thing now is for *all* those with real
> ideas/capability/money to get together and try to form a coherent plan. The
> last thing we want is lots of half baked rescue attempts going off in
> different directions and pulling the Risc OS world apart. Somebody like
> "the head honcho" would make an excellent rallying point!
>
Ross Tierney's strategy is the best-baked. Back it. Check the Forbidden
Technologies thread (as if you haven't).
--
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Tel. 01865 438231
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Barry Wickett
> the question is would it matter /would you care?
At Techniquest we care. Every single one of our science exhibits that
involves a computer uses an Acorn (some more than one!).
We for one would love to continue making such fun and educational
exhibits using fine Acorn Computers for many years to come.
If Pheobe does come about we will be buying a few dozen during its
lifetime to use in our exhibition, send around the world inside
exhibits and not forgetting one for my desk!
We are the UK's leading science centre and wish to continue buying the
best!
--
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TECHNIQUEST Tel +44 (0) 1222 475475
Cardiff CF1 6BW Fax +44 (0) 1222 482517
Web http://www.tquest.org.uk/
Alf Chamings
<URL:mailto:Pa...@havaccnt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>, Peter Bondar
> <URL:mailto:pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > the question is would it matter /would you care?
> >
> >
> > peter
> >
> > Peter Bondar
> > "so many toys, so little time"
>
> You may even have some idea how the Workstation group or Phoebe/Phoenix
> can be raised from the ashes.
>
> I for one think that Phoebe was the first step to a full multiprocessing
> multitasking world beating system or at least it had the potential to be.
>
Of course *we* all care and it matters to us. The question is how many others
do, or will do in the future. Any phoenix must be capable of surviving in the
currently small Acorn market and must have some vision that will take it to a
less small future. Maybe the multi-processor idea is part of that. But I
don't see PCs dead in the water just yet. How thin does a chip have to be
before the uncertainty principle rules out further speed increases?
We all saw the Archimedes fail to conquer the world 10 years ago when it was
incomparably better in every department. I think the phoenix will have to be
more different as well as better.
Alf
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Kai
<URL:mailto:joh...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant19182...@aok.enterprise.net>,
> Kai <Ana...@Large.Net> wrote:
>
> > Do I care about Acorn? Probably about as much as Manchester
> > United fans care about Man Utd. To me Acorn isn't just a
> > business, it's actually something more than that.
>
> Unlike Kai, I am just a user,
That is all I am, I don't program them. I just use them
for productive work, DTP, video, music occasionally etc.
> but, like Kai, I cared about Acorn as it was. I've flown
> the flag at work in the face of official scepticism and
> that of my colleagues, since 1987.
Hey, I've had people around at my house in recent months
showing them how quick and easy it is to change a document
on Impression Publisher.
> In 83 and 84 I was in good company, we all had BBC Bs but
> then, gradually, they all were seduced by the PC.
Errr well remember the BBC is major influencer of public
opinion it had it's name all over the computers, it showed
them on just about every TV show it had. Somehow it then
after losing the BBC Micro contact somewhere in the 1990's
wouldn't even show Acorn systems equally with PCs and Macs.
> When I broke the news to my immediate colleagues on Friday
> morning I was rather surprised by their sympathetic reaction;
> they obviously realised how badly I felt about it all, though
> there was some gentle leg-pulling.
>
> I have no intention of deserting our platform, I can stay
> more productive than my colleagues for several years yet
> on the basis of my present set-up, a SA RPC.
Indeed the same with me...
> I can only give my moral support to a rescue package for RPC2
> at the moment as my immediate plans centre on Peanut, as they
> have done since Wakefield. In fact I have just e-mailed Paul
> Corke at IMS to assure him of another sale. However, if the
> platform does go ahead, be certain that at some point in the
> future I shall be there with fist full of readies.
>
> Good luck to us all,
Well it seems to me that when push comes to shove we'll see
who's who and what's what.
I've put a comment on what was the Digital Oasis home page,
called "An Acorn Enthusiasts Comments:".
http://homepages.enterprise.net/aok/acorn.html
OK, there is a lot of different ideas of what's really
happening, views etc. I'm going to see what happens as the
dust settles. The Pheonix which is a brilliant name could
still happen... If it doesn't then we have what we have
here now the hard core dedicated enthusiasts, people who
care about more than pounds, shillings and pence...
See ya - Kai driven to politics to make a difference...
Robert Werry
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Sveinung W. Tengelsen
<URL:mailto:4...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I agree with all the positive sentiments that have been expressed here and
> elsewhere.
>
> Acorn matters.
>
> Acorn is British: we have a long history of beating the world in technology
> - then letting it die in the water.
..etc.
Alienate allies by an excess of nationalism? Entirely possible. 8) The
strenght and survival of *RISC OS* as a technological alternative and
community is what matters, without distracting the process with flag-waving
madness. I'm aware that it's easy to be carried away, but *please* - pipe
down the superficial noises.
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Mike Kinghan
Torsten Karwoth <tkar...@braunschweig.netsurf.de> wrote:
> I do not want to be pro-PC or something, but there is something that i
> want to say.
>
> I had an A3000. then moved to an A5000, then to the Risc PC and finally
> i moved to a StrongARM card. And, yes, i have a real PC at home. Shame
> on me, ok.
>
> But what i want to tell you is the following: My PC "runs" Windows
> fine (had 95, then upgraded to Win98). It doesnt fall over. I just need
> to reinstall windows and applications after i got a new hard disk.
>
> The reasons for having no problems are very simple. I didn't buy
> a "complete out-of-the-box-pc ", but i got single items and put it
> myself together.
>
> Most PCs fail due to components who better had been dumped in the
> toilet...
>
Moral: For carefree home-computing with MS Windows, just build your own PC.
(?)
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Tel. 01865 438231
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repose' - T.S.Eliot, "On First Looking Into comp.sys.acorn.programmer".
Ricardo Martins
<URL:mailto:pixe...@sn.spamtrap.no> wrote:
> In article <na.c2203348...@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Torrens
> <URL:mailto:4...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I agree with all the positive sentiments that have been expressed here and
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Acorn matters.
> >
> > Acorn is British: we have a long history of beating the world in technology
> > - then letting it die in the water.
>
> ..etc.
>
> Alienate allies by an excess of nationalism? Entirely possible. 8) The
> strenght and survival of *RISC OS* as a technological alternative and
> community is what matters, without distracting the process with flag-waving
> madness. I'm aware that it's easy to be carried away, but *please* - pipe
> down the superficial noises.
>
RISC OS is a lifestyle with no boundaries, and not a patriotic flag.
We all like it, because we DO IT better with it.
That is what really matters, IMVHO.
--
Ricardo Martins
ricma...@mail.telepac.pt
Eduard Pfarr
<ant22074...@pixeleye.online.no> folgendes:
> In article <na.c2203348...@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Torrens
> <URL:mailto:4...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I agree with all the positive sentiments that have been expressed here
> > and elsewhere.
> >
> > Acorn matters.
> >
> > Acorn is British: we have a long history of beating the world in
> > technology - then letting it die in the water.
>
> .etc.
>
> Alienate allies by an excess of nationalism? Entirely possible. 8) The
> strenght and survival of *RISC OS* as a technological alternative and
> community is what matters, without distracting the process with flag-
> waving madness. I'm aware that it's easy to be carried away, but
> *please* - pipe down the superficial noises.
Sveinung, you exaggerate. Where's your mentioned »excess« of »nationalism«
and flag-waving »madness« in Richard's article? Flag waving: Yes. So what?
Acorn is a british company. The Archimedes has been a british computer. I
liked that. The Acorn World shows have been quite british all the years
I've visited them. I liked that. I took the opportunity to visit good old
Great Britain - outside the show, too. Nice country, nice people. It's sad
to see the last desktop computer which came from Europe - Great Britian to
be accurate - dissappear. Now we've to battle with the gigantomatism of the
US-american way of live and the motto »enjoy it, then destroy it«. »The
bigger the better« etc. Lovely. Not.
I think one should be careful with telling other people about »superficial
noise«, especially when one writes that many articles.
Cheers,
Eduard.
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strings
On behalf of other britons, many thanks for your kind comments.
Best wishes
Adrian
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Jack Evans
Er, yes, but on 5.9.98 he was one of the 6 non-Executive Directors and
biggest shareholder on the Board of Acorn Computers plc.
(Surprisingly, the replaced Chief Executive David Lee is shown as one of
the non-Executive Directors. Stan Boland is the only Executive Director.)
--
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Rainer Schubert
John Haines <jha...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6tudns$ipp$1...@supernews.com>,
> Peter Bondar <pbo...@avnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > the question is would it matter /would you care?
>
> > I await your comments with interest!!!!!!!
>
> I'd placed an order. I care.
>
> John
Same with me and lots of my friends at GAG the German Archimedes Group.
Rainer (DL6HBO)
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Richard Torrens
wrote:
> > > Acorn matters.
Thanks for that bit of sanity!
Acorn is best - because it is best. That's why it should be saved.
It also /happens/ to be British - and whilst us Brits often invent the best
- few Brits believe in anything British! Certainly our government doesn't!
I fear Acorn has nearly died - because it is British! It should be helped to
survive the British disease - because it is best!
Chika
> Acorn is best - because it is best. That's why it should be saved.
> It also /happens/ to be British - and whilst us Brits often invent the best
> - few Brits believe in anything British! Certainly our government doesn't!
> I fear Acorn has nearly died - because it is British! It should be helped to
> survive the British disease - because it is best!
I think this touches on it, which is why I was puzzled when I read the
bits denouncing flag wagging. The statement implied that the British are
good at coming up with good ideas, and this is true. It doesn't belittle
other countries, it just states a fact. It also stated that our good ideas
tend to get flushed down the loo more often than not, either to be
resurrected by other countries or to be lost forever. We had a chance at
the end of the 1970's to corner the entire semiconductor market but,
thanks to lack of long term vision by HMG at the time, we threw the chance
away and have spent many years subsequently trying to carve a niche back
into a market we no longer control. Same with the inkjet. I guess you
could go to town with a list of such things.
I should however point out that I don't particularly care whether the RISC
OS system is British or not. That it is means that it is open to the same
failing, but the point is that if a product is good, it is worth going out
of the way to keep it going. I don't like being jingoistic but I know what
I like, and I know that I will not be totally at ease on another platform
(I regularly turn the air blue at work!)
Call it a preference, if you will. :)
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> Acorn is best - because it is best. That's why it should be saved.
>
> It also /happens/ to be British - and whilst us Brits often invent the best
> - few Brits believe in anything British! Certainly our government doesn't!
>
> I fear Acorn has nearly died - because it is British! It should be helped to
> survive the British disease - because it is best!
Well said, Richard. I couldn't agree more.
Timothy O'Connell
<URL:mailto:rwe...@nor.com.au> wrote:
>
> In article <na.9ebf2648...@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Torrens
> <URL:mailto:4...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Acorn is best - because it is best. That's why it should be saved.
> >
> > It also /happens/ to be British - and whilst us Brits often invent the best
> > - few Brits believe in anything British! Certainly our government doesn't!
> >
> > I fear Acorn has nearly died - because it is British! It should be helped to
> > survive the British disease - because it is best!
>
> Well said, Richard. I couldn't agree more.
>
It this news true? Has the last word been said about Acorn? What will this
mean for Acorn users? What about applications i.e. their availability etc.?
I love my Acorn! I hope to upgrade it with the Strongarm card and more
memory. Should I panic! Computing in Ireland is all PC related! I
have no choice at work so please don't tell me my 'domestic' choice is
about to be taken away!
I use a Risc PC600. Any chance of an update, especially about software?
And finally I do agree. I would be a great pity to see such a unique
approach to computing go by the way side.
Regards
tim
Timothy O'Connell ti...@iol.ie
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