12 Best British albums of the 80s (according to Q)
Andrew Stewart
David Bowie - Let's Dance
Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
Human League - Dare
Joy Division - Closer
Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
Stone Roses - Stone Roses
(np: Best Of Bowie 69/74)
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Andy
wrote:
>ABC - The Lexicon Of Love
>David Bowie - Let's Dance
>Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
>Def Leppard - Hysteria
>Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
>Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
>Human League - Dare
>Joy Division - Closer
>Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
>Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
>Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
>Stone Roses - Stone Roses
I like Q magazine. Honest.
But their short-sightedness at not including any Martin Stephenson,
Mary Black or Nanci Griffith means, in my eyes at least, that they are
a bunch of ignorant cunts.
hth
Andy
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Pete
Andy wrote in message ...
>
>I like Q magazine. Honest.
>
I used to, but they are indeed incredibly limited in their viewpoints.
I'm giving away all my old Qs (about 80 of them from 1989 onwards).
Anyone who wants them can have them (Midlands). Price - absolutely
nothing!!! Just come and get them...
Pete H
IceBerg
What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
Neil Major
<ice...@webleicester.co.uk> writes
>
>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>
>
>
everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
sesne of progression when we can whine behind our cardigans. Morrisey
later said "dance music has destroyed everything" Thank God is all I
can say. Having said that I do remember thinking the The Queen is Dead
was quite an ambitious album when I heard it. Still hated it though!
Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
probably still one of the coolest bands ever. Technique would get my
vote.
--
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Ian G Batten
In article <35d36e5c...@news.u-net.com>,
Andy <pan...@netvision.co.uk> wrote:
> >ABC - The Lexicon Of Love
Superb. The 80s summed up, both the best and the worst aspects of it.
Only downside is Martin Fry's hair.
> >David Bowie - Let's Dance
Wildly over-rated. China Girl is better in Iggy's version, anyway. And
woefully, woefully short of Eno.
> >Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
One of the twentieth century's crowning aesthetic monuments. Accept no
substitute.
> >Def Leppard - Hysteria
Rubbish. Even dumber than the rest of the NWOBHM, if such a thing is
possible.
> >Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
Leaving aside that brilliant joke about Dexy's Gypsy phase (`they didn't
so much tour, more just get moved on every night') and the late lamented
Sounds' comment (`Van load of songs stolen. Into The Music era'), still
a brilliant album. Rowlands is raving mad, of course, but then that's
part of the charm. Dance Stance would be my top tip.
> >Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
Utter bilge. Like all the rest of Dire Straights, except possibly
`Making Movies'. Rock-lite, for people too afraid to rock to listen to
rock and too narrow minded to explore folk.
> >Human League - Dare
It passed me by. But good tunes.
> >Joy Division - Closer
Awesome. Hard to imagine an album of the era with more influence.
> >Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
It's a shame that NHS dentistry is in decline, isn't it?
> >Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
It's said that Jim Kerr has the biggest dick in rock music. I wouldn't
know, not knowing Chrissie or Patsy well enough to ask them. It is,
however, undeniable that in many ways Jim Kerr _is_ the biggest dick in
rock music. All the stadium cliche flag waving bluster of U2, without
any of the intellectual content. Which isn't saying much, I know, but
it is truly dreadful.
> >Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
Never heard it.
> >Stone Roses - Stone Roses
Took lots of drugs. Made Records.
ian
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James Masterton
>
>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
Ah, but did they ever make an album that was the total package and could be
considered a towering classic. Morrissey's solo career has echoed that of
his former band - a collection of fantastic singles but arguably very little
else.
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TUBULAR BELLS - Track Listing: Part One, Part Two
- Q Magazine, June 1998
David Chang
>
> IceBerg wrote in message <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>...
> >
> >What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>
> Ah, but did they ever make an album that was the total package and could be
> considered a towering classic.
Ehrmm...'The Queen is Dead', perhaps??
Peter Wilman
7 of 14 wrote in message <19980811....@hotch.demon.co.uk>...
|Andy typed:
|>
|> >ABC - The Lexicon Of Love
|
Can't disagree. Liked Beauty Stab as well.
|
|> >David Bowie - Let's Dance
|
|fair - other than Stevie Ray Vaughan on Geetar, after whom we
| named our Siberian Husky, who can now play two chords on
| his canine stratocaster.
Enjoyed this too. The world is a poorer place without SRV.
|> >Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
|
|Top la' - can't disagree.
Never did care for her high-pitched wail.
|
|> >Def Leppard - Hysteria
|
|Great at the time. Now sounds smoother and shinier than
| a well polished Jaffa Cake.
Not my cup of tea, but I pass the spot each day where the drummner had his
accident.
|> >Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
|
|Exclennet. Geno! Geeeeeeeeeeno!
|
Could not agree more.
|> >Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
|
|Shit disguised as diarrhoea.
Not as good as Love Over Gold.
|
|> >Human League - Dare
|> >Joy Division - Closer
|> >Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
|> >Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
|> >Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
Didn't like any of these
|> >Stone Roses - Stone Roses
|
|The only band led by a monkey to make a name for themselves.
|So infernally stupid they couldn't cope with the fame, pressure,
| money, etc.
Yeah but what a stonkingly great debut album.
I can't think what my top 10 albums of the 80's would be right now. It is
all pretty subjective so everyone will have their own ideas anyway.
Richard Fedrick
Peter Wilman wrote in message <35d06...@news-server.burnsos.com>...
>I can't think what my top 10 albums of the 80's would be right now. It is
>all pretty subjective so everyone will have their own ideas anyway.
>
can't do 10 off the top of my head, but my 3 most memorable pieces of music
recorded in the 1980s would be
3. elgar cello concerto (the du pre performance in about 1981)
2. rachmaninov2 - i forget the pianist, but i bought the recording in
about 84 soon after it came out
1. the haitinck production of the marriage of figaro (with pavarotti) -
saw it live at the royal opera house in 1986, bought the recording -
glorious
richard
p.s. who or what are the smiths?
Neil Major
Fedrick <richard...@bigfoot.com> writes
know. It's the equivalent of putting an album of remixes or cover
versions down. If you want to be so classically orientated why didn't
you put any albums by Steve Reich or Phillip Glass for example. I'd say
Glass's 1000 Aeroplanes on the Roof was pretty good.
As for the Smiths I believe there one of those popular beat combos
m'lud.
--
Neil
ChrisEilbeck
standard set by the black album. Nice covers though.
Chris
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David B.
my 12 would be
not in any order
Incontinent - Fad Gadget
Psychedelic Furs - Psychedelic Furs
1987 What The Fuck Is Going On - Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu
First And last And Always - Sisters of Mercy
Technique - New Order
Tattooed Beat Messiah - Zodiac Mindwarp
Travelogue - Human League
Born To Laugh At Tornados - Was Not Was
Three Into One - Ultravox (a bit of a cheat I know)
Party - Iggy Pop
but then again...if asked tomorrow I'd probably name a different 12
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Ant Chapman
in the chart (and frighteningly high, I might add), was "Infinity" by
that trailblazer of dance music Guru Josh. :-\
In article <35cf4eb8...@news.iol.ie>, Andrew Stewart
<and...@hotmail.com> writes
>ABC - The Lexicon Of Love
>David Bowie - Let's Dance
>Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
>Def Leppard - Hysteria
>Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
>Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
>Human League - Dare
>Joy Division - Closer
>Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
>Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
>Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
>Stone Roses - Stone Roses
Ant Chapman
"Yes! Thrown out of every club in Stevenage"
"yeah, but there's only 2" - Boston Kickout
[remove no.spam if replying via e-mail]
Adam Richards
A-haaa!!
ChrisEilbeck
>
> Oddly, I thought the black album was their worst and was thrilled
> by Load (& Reload). That Apocalyptica CD (mettalica arranged
> for four cellos) just keeps getting better and better.
What do you think of the stuff before the black album? I particularly
liked '... And Justice For All' but wasn't really touched by 'Ride The
Lightning' or 'Kill Em All'. 'Reload' is a killer album but dat black
won does it for me. How easy was it to find the Apocalyptica disc?
I've looked for it a couple of times but never seen it.
Anna Olson
wrote:
>
>my 12 would be
>not in any order
>
[snip]
>but then again...if asked tomorrow I'd probably name a different 12
Mine would be:
Peter Andre - Peter Andre
5ive Alive! - 5ive
Take That and Party - Take That
Spice - Spice Girls
Ooh Ah! - Michelle Gayle
Makin' it - Damage
Up - Peter Gabriel
er, that's it
love
anna
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Andrew Gambier
<anna....@netvision.co.uk> writes
>Mine would be:
>
>Peter Andre - Peter Andre
>5ive Alive! - 5ive
>Take That and Party - Take That
>Spice - Spice Girls
>Ooh Ah! - Michelle Gayle
>Makin' it - Damage
>Up - Peter Gabriel
>
>er, that's it
>
>love
>
>anna
>
Come back Les Dennis & Dustin Gee, all is forgiven...
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James Edward Marlin
>Mine would be:
>
>Peter Andre - Peter Andre
>5ive Alive! - 5ive
>Take That and Party - Take That
>Spice - Spice Girls
>Ooh Ah! - Michelle Gayle
>Makin' it - Damage
>Up - Peter Gabriel
>
Further more I'm sorry But I HATE the "Spice Girls", they belong in the same
category as "Lief Garret" and "The Bay ( Gay ) City Rollers", their more
promotion then music. I even saw some over-priced "Spice" chocolate bars, in
a local store, is that over marketed or what? I could go on about how
vacuous the whole "Spice" phenomenon is but I won't. It's just when you
place the "Spice Girls" on the same list as Peter Gabriel, it gets my dander
up. How you can place a founding member of "Genesis" who went out on his
own, and took his musical vision far beyond what had been done before, a man
with the conviction to speak to the ill's of our society ( and not as a
marketing tool like "Girl Power" ), on the same list as "Spice Girls" is
beyond me!
If you think you been flamed..... you have..... later......
Bill Jillians
<richard...@bigfoot.com> chose in article <6qpt3d$745$1@nclient3-gu
i.server.virgin.net> to take the following policy decision:-
>
>p.s. who or what are the smiths?
>
And who or what were Elvis Costello or Prefab Sprout for that matter ?
NOT TO BL**DY MENTION ****THE CLASH****
>>>>>> Bill Jillians aka The A&#E <<<<<<<<<
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David B. wrote in message <01bdc554$9bffcfc0$943c70c2@srmmnign>...
>
>my 12 would be
>not in any order
>
>Psychedelic Furs - Psychedelic Furs
>1987 What The Fuck Is Going On - Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu
>First And last And Always - Sisters of Mercy
>Technique - New Order
>Tattooed Beat Messiah - Zodiac Mindwarp
really, really ROCKS!
>Travelogue - Human League
>Born To Laugh At Tornados - Was Not Was
>Three Into One - Ultravox (a bit of a cheat I know)
>Party - Iggy Pop
Brit-star Bowie's been ripping Iggy off since day one (or actually, since he
got off that dopey Anthony Newley kick).
>but then again...if asked tomorrow I'd probably name a different 12
Maybe so, David, but your first time out you generated a much more rockin',
fun list then all those that preceded you (tho' I enjoyed the mini
classical/modern classical debate. My humble apologies to those in the
thread from the synthpoop group, but IMHO, synthpoop and stupid hairdo's
from England rendered the 80's largely laughable--not to be confused with
general electronica, of which there was plenty of merit (Throbbing Gristle &
Psychic TV come to mind--they may not rock in the conventional sense, but
they beat the Hell out of Flock of Seagulls et al.)
Darren Paul Jones
>David Bowie - Let's Dance
>Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
>Def Leppard - Hysteria
>Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
>Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
>Human League - Dare
>Joy Division - Closer
>Pogues - Rum Sodomy And The Lash
>Simple Minds - New Gold Dream
>Soul II Soul - Club Classics Volume 1
>Stone Roses - Stone Roses
The eighties were bad for music but not this bad.
--
Darren Paul Jones
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>IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
>everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
>sesne of progression when we can whine behind our cardigans.
I agree with their point. If you have something that works great then why change it?
Most 90s Britpoppers write better songs than Morissey has ever done though.
>Morrisey
>later said "dance music has destroyed everything"
Morrisey was a wise guy. I agree with him - we SHOULD hang the DJ :-)
Geir Hongro
>IceBerg wrote in message <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>...
>>
>>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>
>Ah, but did they ever make an album that was the total package and could be
>considered a towering classic.
"The Queen Is Dead" is a banker in just about any "Best Albums Of All Time" survey
made by UK papers.
Geir Hongro
>
>7 of 14 wrote in message <19980811....@hotch.demon.co.uk>...
>|Andy typed:
>|
>|> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:59:08 GMT, and...@hotmail.com (Andrew Stewart)
>|> wrote:
>|>
>|
>
>Can't disagree.
So can't I. "The Lexicon Of Love" was GREAT!
>Liked Beauty Stab as well.
Hmmm.. Now I don't quite follow you anymore.. "S.O.S." was great but the rest was
mostly terrible attempts at making AOR. ABC lost track after their debut and have
never really come close later. "Alphabet Street" from 1987 was close though.
Geir Hongro
>On 11 Aug 1998 19:28:29 -0100, "David B." <plan...@dircon.co,uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>not in any order
>>
>
>
>>but then again...if asked tomorrow I'd probably name a different 12
>
>
>Peter Andre - Peter Andre
>5ive Alive! - 5ive
>Take That and Party - Take That
>Spice - Spice Girls
>Ooh Ah! - Michelle Gayle
>Makin' it - Damage
>Up - Peter Gabriel
The thread said 12 Best British albums of the 80s, not 7 worst British albums of the
90s. Besides "Us" (which was its real name) does not belong down there with Spice
Girls and Peter André.
Oh.. And didn't you forget 311?
James Edward Marlin
Wanking Spice wrote in message <19980812....@hotch.demon.co.uk>...
>
>Genesis are for boring old fartz - get with it, daddy-o!!!
Yes I'm old. One of my nicks on the "net" is Gezzer, but I'm not that old
A fart? Well I do have the habit of cutting one now and then, but like I
said I'm older.
Boring, well that's all in the opinion now isn't it, but I rather be boring
( and for a boring old fart, seems a lot of people posted on this hhmmmm? )
then vacuous any day.
As well I do know who Elvis Costello is ( have 4 or 5 of his cd's ) and
don't think I only listen to old music. My tastes run the gambit with the
newest addition being "Garbage", a little on the morose side but a great
rock/blues sound. I just like my music to have some depth is all. Can any
one out their tell me how deep the "Spice Girls" are? ( no... not how deep
they'll go, minds in the gutter, I must say ) Because their not deep enough
for me, thank you very much! ( but as for the other depth........ )
One question though, which one is "Wanking Spice" is that one that's going
to replace "Ginger"? I think I remember seeing her..... yes..... she was the
one with her hand around her crotch all the time.....that must of been
her.... later all..... :o)
Grant Lund
the list or damn close to it are:
The Clash - London Calling
Police - Synchronicity
Tears for fears - Songs from the big chair
I guess Wham should appear on it as well, Eurythmics, David Bowie -
Let's dance, etc etc
Grant
Ian G Batten
In article <35D177...@sasol.com>,
Grant Lund <grant...@sasol.spam.com> wrote:
> I haven't quite been following this thread but people who should be on
> the list or damn close to it are:
>
> The Clash - London Calling
One of my favourite albums. I'm afraid I have to point out it was, in
fact, released in December 1979. This hasn't stopped it appearing in a
million `Best Album of the Eighties' charts, however. But they're
mostly US charts (The Clash having been prophets without honour in their
own country) and it's possible the release was delayed in the US.
Desert Island Discs is, in fact, a singles format (I presume at the
outset it was 78s). I'd have a hell of a job picking eight singles to
live with, but eight _albums_ (to be taken as a whole) is slightly
easier...
The Clash: London Calling
Fleetwood Mac: Tusk
Jackson Browne: Running on Empty
Everything but the Girl: Idlewild
Burning Spear: Social Living
Eno: On Land (Ambient Four)
Massive Attack meets The Mad Professor: No Protection
Van Morrison: Into the Music
ian
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Adie
>1987 What The Fuck Is Going On - Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu
Mmmm yes, mad Scottish blokes shouting at each other, over a bunch of
obvious samples...... One of my favourite albums too. :):)
"WHAT?! We're not The Monkees!! I don't even *LIKE* The Monkees!"
>Travelogue - Human League
*ahem*
My fanzine is actually named after a Human League song (Blind Youth), so
I'll admit to having a soft spot for them. 'Reproduction' is my personal
favourite along with 'Dare'.
And I love ABC as well. Martin Fry is lovely.
Adie
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Adie
>Mine would be:
>
>Peter Andre - Peter Andre
>5ive Alive! - 5ive
>Take That and Party - Take That
>Spice - Spice Girls
>Ooh Ah! - Michelle Gayle
>Makin' it - Damage
>Up - Peter Gabriel
Er... '80s albums? Are you SURE?
:)
I saw a Flock Of Seagulls video on MTV yesterday! My god, were they
shite or WHAT?!?! And to think my big brother went to see them live
TWICE! At least I know where Keith Flint got his hairstyle idea from!
Mike Mooney
>
> Desert Island Discs is, in fact, a singles format (I presume at the
> outset it was 78s). I'd have a hell of a job picking eight singles to
> live with, but eight _albums_ (to be taken as a whole) is slightly
> easier...
>
Moot point. I think that with the variety of formats that have appeared
since it started, it has ceased to have any restriction - it's just
eight *pieces of music*.
In playing the mental game, I always assume eight albums, from which you
select a favourite track (or 'bit') to play. If I was on it I'd be a
right bore, demanding compilations, boxed sets, etc.
Incidentally, did anybody hear Sue Lawley last week, asking that
explorer bloke what he had in his jeans? OK, OK, it was probably
'genes', but you know what she's like...
Mike
Ian G Batten
In article <35D196...@bradford.ac.uk>,
Mike Mooney <m.j.m...@bradford.ac.uk> wrote:
> 'genes', but you know what she's like...
I like to hear again DID's disgraceful provision of a platform to Diana
Mosley (Oswald's widow). ``Tell us what a charming man Hitler was, Lady
Mosley''. ``Oh, he was lovely, and he didn't know anything about all
those horrible things they say other people did to the Jews, even though
they never happened anyway''. And compare it with the questioning of
Jack Straw about his son's little contretemps with the law, which would
not have been out of place on Newsnight at its most confrontational.
You son deals a bit of dope, probably as part of an entrapment by a
tabloid paper, and you get a hard time. You're a life-long Nazi
apologist, who had Hitler present at your wedding (he was the Best Man,
I think) and who denies the reality of the Shoah, and you get a gentle
ride.
It's perfectly OK to say that DID is not a deep, thrusting programme.
But Diana Mosley is not a celebrity, is not in the public domain, and
does not directly interest many people. She is, however, the widow of a
man of Fascist, anti-Semitic views who herself openly supports those
views to this day. I don't know if the line taken was taken by the
presenter, the producer, the researcher or just by misfortune. It was
still scandalous.
ian
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Colin Batchelor
> I don't know if the line taken was taken by the
> presenter, the producer, the researcher or just by misfortune.
It's probably Sue Lawley's doing.
She's even more right wing than Jack Straw.
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Neil Major
<geir...@online.no> writes
>Neil Major <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
>>everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
>>sesne of progression when we can whine behind our cardigans.
>
>I agree with their point. If you have something that works great then why change
>it?
>
set in. And jingle jangle wankery didn't have much going for it in the
first place really...
>
>>Morrisey
>>later said "dance music has destroyed everything"
>
>Morrisey was a wise guy. I agree with him - we SHOULD hang the DJ :-)
>
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mike
e...@dircon.co> writes
>
>my 12 would be
>not in any order
>
>Psychedelic Furs - Psychedelic Furs
I'd probably have to lob in the awesomely excellent Aztec Camera's first
album, "High Land, Hard Rain" and Blue Nile, "Walk Across The Rooftops"
KLF a good choice, though....
Mike
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Ian Potter
<Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>, IceBerg
><ice...@webleicester.co.uk> writes
>>
>>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>>
>>
>>
>IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism t
Miserable!?
With such a sound grasp of irony you could but only be
Alanis Morrisette's song writer.
ian.
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Rhodri
> Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
> probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
erm, well, to quote your good self
"IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
sesne of progression"
--
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'What a gorgeous day. What effulgent sunshine.
It was on a day of this sort the McGillicuddy brothers
murdered their mother with an axe.' - W.C. Fields
Neil Major
<rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>Neil Major <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
>> probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
>
>erm, well, to quote your good self
>
>"IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
>everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
>sesne of progression"
>
>
things forward. It easy to forget that working with dance producers,
having remixes etc was new at the time. How could you not call Blue
Monday, still the best selling 12" of all time (I think) not
experimental. For a start it was a massive pop hit that didn't have a
chorus! Or much of a tune!
They worked with the right producers from Martin Hamnett to Arthur
Baker, got people such as Jonathon Demme to produce their videos and
Peter Saville provided some of the best record sleeves of the 80's.
They also financed the Hacienda which was probably the best club of the
80's (and early 90's).
New Order were the first band to take the innovations in NY and fuse
them with white rock and pull it off.
-Is that enough experimentation and progression for you?
--
Neil
Neil Major
<i...@heathcliff.demon.co.ukx> writes
>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:07:25 +0100, Neil Major
><Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>, IceBerg
>><ice...@webleicester.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism t
>
>Miserable!?
>
>With such a sound grasp of irony you could but only be
>Alanis Morrisette's song writer.
>
fuck 'cos the music is normally so dull. I do like How Soon Is Now (for
Johnny Marr's guitar) but there's a bit on the second verse where Moz
goes "And you go home on your own, and you cry and you want to dieeee."
It became a running joke with a friend of mine 'cos it was so
ridiculous. And we were laughing at him not with him. Come on, irony
is what crap students use as a defense for liking The Spice Girls. You
can do better than that.
>--
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RmC
Architecture & Morality - OMD - a flawless masterpiece
Power, Corruption and Lies - New Order - a haunting gothic/disco album.
what more can you ask for??
Technique - New Order - pop/disco much more refined than PC&L. A nice
way to close out the 80's
Forever Young - Alphaville - a synthpop classic
Afternoons in Utopia - Alphaville - a fantastic musical journey through
a trippy soundscape. Think Pink Floyd without the 'rock and roll'
Some Great Reward - Depeche Mode - breaking the cheesy new-wave barrier
and setting the standard. Filled with awesome songs!
Black Celebration - Depeche Mode - see Some Great Reward
After The Snow - Modern English - a pop masterpiece. includes one of
the best love songs ever "I Melt With You"
Fun Boy Three - The Colourfield - anything by Terry Hall. the guy is a
pop music genius
Dare - Human League - before DM was 'ultra' successful. HL scored HUGE
worldwide with a synthpop song! a timeless classic!
plus lots more!
-- VdR
Lenny Smith
Bill Jillians wrote in message ...
>And who or what were Elvis Costello or Prefab Sprout for that matter ?
>
>NOT TO BL**DY MENTION ****THE CLASH****
Well, while we're at it, weren't there still Sex Pistols odds & ends still
being released in the early 80's??? And what about PIL--Metal Box & Flowers
of Romance both blow away much of the material heretofore discussed in this
here thread here...
Rhodri
> >> Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
> >> probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
> >
> >erm, well, to quote your good self
> >
> >"IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
> >everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
> >sesne of progression"
> >
> >
> Ok they were miserable, but they definitely experimented and pushed
> things forward. It easy to forget that working with dance producers,
> having remixes etc was new at the time. How could you not call Blue
> Monday, still the best selling 12" of all time (I think) not
> experimental. For a start it was a massive pop hit that didn't have a
> chorus! Or much of a tune!
well this is the exception. And the other one - I forget the name - was
similar lack of tune in the late 80s that they hashed up on TOTP!
> They worked with the right producers from Martin Hamnett to Arthur
> Baker, got people such as Jonathon Demme to produce their videos and
> Peter Saville provided some of the best record sleeves of the 80's.
> They also financed the Hacienda which was probably the best club of the
> 80's (and early 90's).
> New Order were the first band to take the innovations in NY and fuse
> them with white rock and pull it off.
> -Is that enough experimentation and progression for you?
not really. I find their songs really 'paint by numbers' - with a couple
of exceptions, granted. And that doc on TV about Barney having writers
block and not being able to come up with lyrics didn't help. It was
supposed to be about him getting over the block but the heap of arse he
came up with in triumph at the end of the prog was cringeworthy.
--
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necessity of having to inform an old friend that you
have just got engaged to his fiancee.' - W.C. Fields
Mike Mooney
>
>there's a bit on the second verse where Moz
> goes "And you go home on your own, and you cry and you want to dieeee."
> It became a running joke with a friend of mine 'cos it was so
> ridiculous. And we were laughing at him not with him.
>
But as far as being a wet twat goes, Mozzer was merely a pale shadow of
the collossus that was.... Clifford T. Ward:
"Oh Gaye, you're a tray of nice things..."
Awesome.
Mike
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> Neil Major <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time,
and
> > probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
Yes, although their first album is a bit crummy. But the one with tracing
paper on the cover is totally brilliant!!
> erm, well, to quote your good self
>
> "IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
> everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
> sesne of progression"
New Order were like that? I thought their lyrics were very good, and their
sleeve designs were excellent.
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Neil Major wrote in message ...
>>
>>> Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
>>> probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
>>
>>
>>"IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
>>everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
>>sesne of progression"
>>
>>
>things forward. It easy to forget that working with dance producers,
>having remixes etc was new at the time. How could you not call Blue
>Monday, still the best selling 12" of all time (I think) not
>experimental. For a start it was a massive pop hit that didn't have a
>chorus! Or much of a tune!
>Baker, got people such as Jonathon Demme to produce their videos and
>Peter Saville provided some of the best record sleeves of the 80's.
>They also financed the Hacienda which was probably the best club of the
>80's (and early 90's).
>New Order were the first band to take the innovations in NY and fuse
>them with white rock and pull it off.
>-Is that enough experimentation and progression for you?
>
>
>Neil
The birth of all this so called dance music thats complete shit, Peter hook
what a star lets play the same bass line for the next 17 years yes top
progression or what????
Neil Major
<rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>Neil Major <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >> Why no New Order albums in the list. A band so ahead of their time, and
>> >> probably still one of the coolest bands ever.
>> >
>> >erm, well, to quote your good self
>> >
>> >"IMHO they represented the sort of white boy indie miserablism that was
>> >everything that was wrong with the 80's. Fuck experimentation, fuck any
>> >sesne of progression"
>> >
>> >
>> Ok they were miserable, but they definitely experimented and pushed
>> things forward. It easy to forget that working with dance producers,
>> having remixes etc was new at the time. How could you not call Blue
>> Monday, still the best selling 12" of all time (I think) not
>> experimental. For a start it was a massive pop hit that didn't have a
>> chorus! Or much of a tune!
>
>similar lack of tune in the late 80s that they hashed up on TOTP!
>
>> Baker, got people such as Jonathon Demme to produce their videos and
>> Peter Saville provided some of the best record sleeves of the 80's.
>> They also financed the Hacienda which was probably the best club of the
>> 80's (and early 90's).
>> New Order were the first band to take the innovations in NY and fuse
>> them with white rock and pull it off.
>> -Is that enough experimentation and progression for you?
>
>of exceptions, granted. And that doc on TV about Barney having writers
>block and not being able to come up with lyrics didn't help. It was
>supposed to be about him getting over the block but the heap of arse he
>came up with in triumph at the end of the prog was cringeworthy.
>
But 1)he had a voice that made everything sound like it could (or could
not) be meaningful. He could read out a shopping list & it would have
that New Order vibe. 2)The music! whilst everyone in indiedom, was
beingh a fucking luddite New Order were actually doing something less
boring instead! If you find that 'music by numbers' then I bet you
don't approve of electronics anyway and belive indie should be guitar,
bassist, vocalist, drummer, verse chorus verse forever. I dunno. I
suppose it all boils down to personal opinion but I think you're
possibly judging it by today's standards. You have to realise though
that the New Order story (I hope) ended with Republic (which wasn't as
good as Technique), so the Prozac documentary you refer to is an
unfortunate footnote and not a signifier of New Order's career. Stop
paying so much attention to lyrics I guess :)
--
Neil Major
Andrew Stewart
wrote:
>I like Q magazine. Honest.
>
>But their short-sightedness at not including any Martin Stephenson,
>Mary Black or Nanci Griffith means, in my eyes at least, that they are
>a bunch of ignorant cunts.
The last two aren't British though.
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Andrew Stewart
wrote:
>> >David Bowie - Let's Dance
>
>Wildly over-rated. China Girl is better in Iggy's version, anyway. And
>woefully, woefully short of Eno.
How is this overrated? Even Bowie fans don't rate it very highly, in
general.
Or did you just mean overrated in the sense that it shouldn't have
made this list?
Andrew Stewart
wrote:
>>Party - Iggy Pop
>Since when is Party a Brit LP??? You're probably just confused, since
>Brit-star Bowie's been ripping Iggy off since day one (or actually, since he
>got off that dopey Anthony Newley kick).
Explain how Space Oddity/Hunky Dory/Young Americans/Station To
Station/Low/Heroes/Lodger/Scary Monsters/Let's Dance/Black Tie White
Noise/The Buddha Of Suburbia/Outside/Earthling rip off Iggy again?
Ever notice how much Iggy sounds like Bowie (rather than vice a versa)
on The Idiot and Blah Blah Blah?
Andrew Stewart
wrote:
>I haven't quite been following this thread but people who should be on
>the list or damn close to it are:
>
>The Clash - London Calling
>Police - Synchronicity
>Tears for fears - Songs from the big chair
>I guess Wham should appear on it as well, Eurythmics, David Bowie -
>Let's dance, etc etc
Let's Dance was on the list (much to most people's surprise, since
Scary Monsters wasn't).
Neil Major
>The birth of all this so called dance music thats complete shit, Peter hook
>what a star lets play the same bass line for the next 17 years yes top
>progression or what????
>
>
of it? House, techno, drum and bass, electro, disco, hip hop, dub
reggae, garage, gabba, breakbeat, etc etc etc. Thousands and thousands
of records released over the past twenty years and all of it without
worth? I don't think so.
I thought the whole indie Luddite mentality had died out a long time
ago, and that people were a little bit more eclectic. Obviously there
are still some dinosaurs around.
P.S. Peter Hook always played his bass in the same way (a lot higher
than most bands) but different notes. There is a difference.
--
Neil Major
Rhodri-Llyr Viney
IceBerg wrote in message <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>...
>
>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
Yeah - where were the Pixies, the Psychedelic Furs, Loop and the Jesus and
Mary Chain as well?
Rhodri-Llyr Viney
kpv...@lineone.net
Mike Warren
> >
> >The birth of all this so called dance music thats complete shit,
> Peter hook
> >what a star lets play the same bass line for the next 17 years yes
> top
> >progression or what????
> >
>
I always find that discussions into different styles
of music always seem to degenerate into...'its shit.'
or 'its crap' type of thing...any music that is popular
cannot be 'crap'..it may be music that you dont like..
but it cannot be 'crap'...(ie worthless and of no
merit). and yesterdays 'crap' turns out to be todays.
'classic' in a lot of cases.
Mike Warren.
Richard Fedrick
Neil Major wrote in message <2BzgxKAk...@taiga1.demon.co.uk>...
>>
>>The birth of all this so called dance music thats complete shit, Peter
hook
>>what a star lets play the same bass line for the next 17 years yes top
>>progression or what????
>>
>>
we're everywhere.
All dance music shit?
yup. no exceptions.
>All of it?
yes. but hold on, no, i do like some (but not many) of strauss' waltzes, so
there you are, one exception.
>House, techno, drum and bass, electro, disco, hip hop, dub
>reggae, garage, gabba, breakbeat, etc etc etc.
utter toilet, all of it.
>Thousands and thousands
>of records released over the past twenty years and all of it without
>worth?
yup, absolutely of no conceivable merit whatsoever.
richard
Ian G Batten
In article <35d328eb...@news.iol.ie>,
Andrew Stewart <and...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Or did you just mean overrated in the sense that it shouldn't have
> made this list?
Yes. It's not the first such list I've seen it on, either. There's
often a real disconnect between what trufans regard as the best work and
what the casual listener does (another good example would be
Springsteen's `Born in the USA').
ian
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Adam Richards
wrote:
>How is this overrated? Even Bowie fans don't rate it very highly, in
>general.
>
>Or did you just mean overrated in the sense that it shouldn't have
>made this list?
I would think that was the idea...
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Neil
Fedrick <richard...@bigfoot.com> writes
can't help feeling that history will prove you wrong. I don't know
anyone who hates all dance music. Even the most hardcore of my inide
friends express a liking for the odd Chemical Brothers record or
whatever and thus have to admit it's not all bad. I remember being 17
and being equally into My Bloody Valentine and Detroit techno and
getting shit from my indie friends. Six months later they were all
buying stuff on Warp. And I've met a lot of people since who had to
revise their opinion when they found themselves suddenly getting into
the very thing they hated. Some of them also got bored with the way a
lot of indie just seems to be happy just to recycle the past ad
infinitum.
Finally having said that I've found more interesting rock records in the
last few years than dance stuff, although there's still good stuff out
there. So.... in leaving this topic, a little list of those who aren't
aping the past. I'd be interested to know what the dance music haters
think of them considering many of them owe a debt to dance music.
Anyway... Arab Strap, Mogwai, Tortoise, Trans Am, Fridge, Add N to X, To
Roccocco Rot, Pavement, Laptop, Solex, Badly Drawn Boy, Pram, Kevin
Shields (amazing remixes over the last year), Plone, Salaryman, Novak,
Ganger, Stereolab, Broadcast, Quickspace, Folk Implosion, The Beta Band,
Mercury Rev... and so on....
--
Neil
Ian Potter
<Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ironic or not he still whines and sneers and frankly I couldn't give a
>fuck 'cos the music is normally so dull. I do like How Soon Is Now (for
>Johnny Marr's guitar) but there's a bit on the second verse where Moz
>goes "And you go home on your own, and you cry and you want to dieeee."
But life is just like that. Every night.
>It became a running joke with a friend of mine 'cos it was so
>ridiculous. And we were laughing at him not with him.
You cruel and callous swine.
> Come on, irony
>is what crap students use as a defense for liking The Spice Girls. You
>can do better than that.
The Spices Girls! Hep, you are not. They lost out to
Bewitched ages ago.
ontario...@hotmail.com
Neil Major <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Ironic or not he still whines and sneers and frankly I couldn't give a
> fuck 'cos the music is normally so dull. I do like How Soon Is Now (for
> Johnny Marr's guitar) but there's a bit on the second verse where Moz
> goes "And you go home on your own, and you cry and you want to dieeee."
> is what crap students use as a defense for liking The Spice Girls. You
> can do better than that.
His worst lyric was when he veered into "And if a double-decker bus crashes
into us...." However, I was laughing with him, not at him.
The most humorous band of the '80s by far was the Pet Shop Boys. "Violence,
religion, justice, death...."
--
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ontario...@hotmail.com
Andy Trafford
>
> I always find that discussions into different styles
>of music always seem to degenerate into...'its shit.'
>or 'its crap' type of thing...any music that is popular
>cannot be 'crap'..it may be music that you dont like..
>but it cannot be 'crap'...(ie worthless and of no
>merit). and yesterdays 'crap' turns out to be todays.
>'classic' in a lot of cases.
>Mike Warren.
>
Words of wisdom....
No music should be dismissed as 'crap'
Except the stuff Warren listens to...
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Adam Richards
wrote:
>No music should be dismissed as 'crap'
Except Ocean Colour Scene...
Rod Begbie
Ad...@roblang.demon.co.uk (Adam Richards) writes:
>>No music should be dismissed as 'crap'
>
> Except Ocean Colour Scene...
That would first require the turgid shite that they produce to be
described as "music" in the first place.
They're playing Stirling Castle at the end of the month. Anyone fancy
bombing the hotel?
Rod.
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Rod Begbie
i...@heathcliff.demon.co.ukx (Ian Potter) writes:
> The Spices Girls! Hep, you are not. They lost out to
> Bewitched ages ago.
That's B*Witched, daddio.
Rod.
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Neil
ospam.demon_nospam.co.uk> writes
>In article <pxEnNPA8...@taiga1.demon.co.uk>, Neil <Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk>
>writes:
>
>>>yup, absolutely of no conceivable merit whatsoever.
>
>>can't help feeling that history will prove you wrong. I don't know
>>anyone who hates all dance music.
>
>
>>Anyway... Arab Strap, Mogwai, Tortoise, Trans Am, Fridge, Add N to X, To
>>Roccocco Rot, Pavement, Laptop, Solex, Badly Drawn Boy, Pram, Kevin
>>Shields (amazing remixes over the last year), Plone, Salaryman, Novak,
>>Ganger, Stereolab, Broadcast, Quickspace, Folk Implosion, The Beta Band,
>>Mercury Rev... and so on....
>
>
>
Lost for words!
--
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Lenny Smith
Andrew Stewart wrote in message <35d3299a...@news.iol.ie>...
>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:55:10 -0400, "Lenny Smith" <lps...@gwi.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>Party - Iggy Pop
>>Since when is Party a Brit LP??? You're probably just confused, since
>>Brit-star Bowie's been ripping Iggy off since day one (or actually, since
he
>>got off that dopey Anthony Newley kick).
>
>Explain how Space Oddity/Hunky Dory/Young Americans/Station To
>Station/Low/Heroes/Lodger/Scary Monsters/Let's Dance/Black Tie White
>Noise/The Buddha Of Suburbia/Outside/Earthling rip off Iggy again?
Actually, I'm glad you called me on this one; ripping off was a poor choice
of words. When I think back to interviews Bowie did at the height of his
most rocking phase, the glam years, he always said (and I'm sorry, it's too
late & I'm too tired to think about where the quotes are buried) that he was
trying to do his rock 'n' roll in the tradition of The Stooges, Lou Reed &
The Velvet Underground. There's no question that he was strongly influenced
by them and borrowed liberally from them, but it never went unattributed, he
produced some great rock 'n' roll, and was involved in jumpstarting the
careers of both Lou & the Ig. He was likewise very candid about his
admiration for Iggy's work when he appeared with Iggy on the Dinah Shore
show on US TV (now THAT was a strange moment in rock history!). Much of the
collaborative work he did with Iggy is also totally worthwhile, though I've
always blamed Bowie for the burial of Ron Asheton's basslines on Raw Power
(subsequent corrected mixes would seem to bear me out)--no complaints about
the way the guitars sounded, though! I also have mixed feelings about
Bowie, not Iggy, having had the radio hit with China Girl (I do like the
Ig's version a lot better; it's more heartfelt and real), but there
again--I'd given up hope long before then of ever hearing an Iggy tune on
commercial radio, so it was cool that it charted at all, regardless of who
was singing.
On kind of a side note, I was fortunate enough to catch the first US show on
Iggy's historic 1977 comeback from institutionalization tour (coincided with
the release of The Idiot). I guess they'd done one show in Canada as a warm
up. Anyway, Iggy played Boston's Harvard Square Theatre with Bowie on
keyboards, and Soupy Sales' kids Hunt & Tony on drums & bass respectively,
and it was among the wildest, best shows I'll EVER see.
So anyway, despite the fact that, having tried his hand at a ton of
different types of things, Bowie's naturally put forth some efforts that do
little for me--here, though, I'd have to include the majority of his work in
the 80's,--I was wrong to accuse him of misappropriation. Musta been cranky
when I typed that...
Lenny
>Ever notice how much Iggy sounds like Bowie (rather than vice a versa)
>on The Idiot and Blah Blah Blah?
Yeah, well, sometimes it's hard to tell where one ends and the other
begins...
IceBerg
Hugh Davies wrote in message <6r3s0u$m...@axalotl.demon.co.uk>...
>In article <pxEnNPA8...@taiga1.demon.co.uk>, Neil
<Ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>>>yup, absolutely of no conceivable merit whatsoever.
>
>>I really can't belive it. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion but I
>>can't help feeling that history will prove you wrong. I don't know
>>anyone who hates all dance music.
>
>Well, you know me.
>
>>Anyway... Arab Strap, Mogwai, Tortoise, Trans Am, Fridge, Add N to X, To
>>Roccocco Rot, Pavement, Laptop, Solex, Badly Drawn Boy, Pram, Kevin
>>Shields (amazing remixes over the last year), Plone, Salaryman, Novak,
>>Ganger, Stereolab, Broadcast, Quickspace, Folk Implosion, The Beta Band,
>>Mercury Rev... and so on....
>
>And all wank.
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
>
>
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>
>
Mike Warren
*stuff*
Traff!!...you old tosser!.....hows life?.
what ya been up to?...
yep..I still listen to old farts music;)....what about you?
I like the analogue audio bit...(You know it makes sense);)
e-mail me... m.d.w...@rl.ac.uk).
Mike Warren.
Andrew Stewart
wrote:
>
>Andrew Stewart wrote in message <35d3299a...@news.iol.ie>...
>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:55:10 -0400, "Lenny Smith" <lps...@gwi.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Party - Iggy Pop
>>>Since when is Party a Brit LP??? You're probably just confused, since
>>>Brit-star Bowie's been ripping Iggy off since day one (or actually, since
>he
>>>got off that dopey Anthony Newley kick).
>>
>>Explain how Space Oddity/Hunky Dory/Young Americans/Station To
>>Station/Low/Heroes/Lodger/Scary Monsters/Let's Dance/Black Tie White
>>Noise/The Buddha Of Suburbia/Outside/Earthling rip off Iggy again?
>
>
>Actually, I'm glad you called me on this one; ripping off was a poor choice
>of words. When I think back to interviews Bowie did at the height of his
>most rocking phase, the glam years, he always said (and I'm sorry, it's too
>late & I'm too tired to think about where the quotes are buried) that he was
>trying to do his rock 'n' roll in the tradition of The Stooges, Lou Reed &
>The Velvet Underground. There's no question that he was strongly influenced
>by them and borrowed liberally from them, but it never went unattributed, he
>produced some great rock 'n' roll, and was involved in jumpstarting the
>careers of both Lou & the Ig. He was likewise very candid about his
>admiration for Iggy's work when he appeared with Iggy on the Dinah Shore
>show on US TV (now THAT was a strange moment in rock history!).
Fair nuff. I'd be the last man to argue against Iggy as one of Bowie's
biggest and most beneficial influences. I just listened to Bowie's
"Space Oddity" album, from 1969. Nice stuff, interesting story songs,
but well short of the masterpieces that made his name. Then I listened
to "The Stooges", also from 1969, which is an infinitely more exciting
piece of work. It's not hard to see how listening to and loving that
album would have hardened up Bowie's sound.
> Much of the
>collaborative work he did with Iggy is also totally worthwhile, though I've
>always blamed Bowie for the burial of Ron Asheton's basslines on Raw Power
>(subsequent corrected mixes would seem to bear me out)--
I don't think it's as simple as that. Iggy screwed up the original
mix, mixing all the instruments onto one channel and the vocals onto
another. There was no way RCA were going to release that, so Bowie's
manager asked Bowie to come up with an acceptable remix fast. Bowie
only had a day or two, was on tour himself, and had bad equipment, so
of course the mix sounds bad.
Iggy took over 20 years to come forward with his 'corrected' mix, by
which time technology had improved considerably.
>no complaints about
>the way the guitars sounded, though! I also have mixed feelings about
>Bowie, not Iggy, having had the radio hit with China Girl (I do like the
>Ig's version a lot better; it's more heartfelt and real),
Me too. There again, I always argue Bowie had more to do with the
music on Iggy's version (which he arranged and produced) than on his
own (which Nile Rodgers produced and arranged).
>>Ever notice how much Iggy sounds like Bowie (rather than vice a versa)
>>on The Idiot and Blah Blah Blah?
>
>Yeah, well, sometimes it's hard to tell where one ends and the other
>begins...
A nice symbiotic thang they have (or at least had) going, I think.
Andrew Stewart
>I consider the following the best of the 80's
>
>
>Architecture & Morality - OMD - a flawless masterpiece
I prefer Dazzle Ships.
>Power, Corruption and Lies - New Order - a haunting gothic/disco album.
>what more can you ask for??
OK.
>Technique - New Order - pop/disco much more refined than PC&L. A nice
>way to close out the 80's
Fair nuff.
>Forever Young - Alphaville - a synthpop classic
>Afternoons in Utopia - Alphaville - a fantastic musical journey through
>a trippy soundscape. Think Pink Floyd without the 'rock and roll'
I loved 'em, but they weren't British.
>Some Great Reward - Depeche Mode - breaking the cheesy new-wave barrier
>and setting the standard. Filled with awesome songs!
>Black Celebration - Depeche Mode - see Some Great Reward
Never got into them.
>After The Snow - Modern English - a pop masterpiece. includes one of
>the best love songs ever "I Melt With You"
Haven't heard this.
>Fun Boy Three - The Colourfield - anything by Terry Hall. the guy is a
>pop music genius
I liked them, but I wouldn't rank them that high.
>Dare - Human League - before DM was 'ultra' successful. HL scored HUGE
>worldwide with a synthpop song! a timeless classic!
Absolutely.
>plus lots more!
You forgot Bowie's "Scary Monsters".
(np: Best Of Bowie 74/79)
Dr Drew
Wow! Another Loop fan. Well met, there are few of us around.
BTW, the Pixies aren't British.
--
"Is next year's eclipse still going ahead?" - caller to the Cornish Tourist Board
Real e-mail: polaw<little snail>leeds.ac.uk
Dr Drew
IceBerg
Dr Drew wrote in message <6rem6a$8g8...@leeds.ac.uk>...
>In article <TRJA1.2154$xR1.4...@news-reader.bt.net>,
> "Rhodri-Llyr Viney" <kpv...@lineone.net> wrote:
>>
>>IceBerg wrote in message <35d02...@news2.mcmail.com>...
>>>
>>>What about the smiths probably the best band to come out of the 80s
>>
>>
>>Yeah - where were the Pixies, the Psychedelic Furs, Loop and the Jesus
>and
>>Mary Chain as well?
>>
>>Rhodri-Llyr Viney
>>kpv...@lineone.net
>
>Wow! Another Loop fan. Well met, there are few of us around.
>
>BTW, the Pixies aren't British.
>
>"Is next year's eclipse still going ahead?" - caller to the Cornish Tourist
Board
>
>Real e-mail: polaw<little snail>leeds.ac.uk
I can recall hearing some loop stuff a few years back I was recently trying
to find some but with no success can you help?????
Dr Drew
"IceBerg" <ice...@webleicester.co.uk> wrote:
>I can recall hearing some loop stuff a few years back I was recently
trying
to find some but with no success can you help?????
Well - I'm not a collector or anything so can't suggest sources. But a
reasonable introduction to the band, I think, is the Peel Sessions
album called "Wolf Flow" - might still be available.
--
"RECRUDESCENCE: The Secret They Won't Tell You About, The Bastards"
Real e-mail (maybe): polaw{little snail}leeds.ac.uk
Bill Jillians
of Dr. Evil, IceBerg <ice...@webleicester.co.uk> gave his whereabout as
map reference <35d31...@news2.mcmail.com> and then grooved about :-
>
>The birth of all this so called dance music thats complete shit, Peter hook
>what a star lets play the same bass line for the next 17 years yes top
>progression or what????
>
>
Most bassists play the same bassline. Hookies bassline are goooood
though.
>>>>>> Bill Jillians aka The A&#E <<<<<<<<<
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