QUERCETIN has nearly cured me
Public <Anonymous_Account>
> So you're saying that you took Quercetin for an extended period of time
> (how long, what dosage and brand?)
I used MRM, and for the rest see
http://cpps.50megs.com/protocol.html
> and that's permanently (how long so
> far?)
~ 2 years? A long time.
> cured your prostatitis?
No, no cure. It's still there, I know that. But do I think of it? Do I
feel it? Does it intrude on my day? No.
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>"Anonymous" <rema...@xganon.com> wrote in message
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>> David Zolt wrote:
>>snip<
>What's interesting here is that both Quercetin and Chrysin are
>bioflavinoids. Any insights here?
======However theoretical it might sound, my own research shows that
quercetin
has a dual action on IL-1 receptors and calcitonin-gene related peptide (a
mediator of pain):
Initially it upregulates IL-1 receptors and calcitonin-gene related peptide
(which corresponds to pain). Subsequently, it downregulates both.
Moreover, given the high dose you were taking it's worth remembering, as Dr.
Shoskes pointed out back in Arlington, that: "Antioxidants taken in high
doses
might become pro-oxidants". To enjoy his talk from Arlington read tis:
http://www.prostaq.com/urologytimes.htm
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> David Zolt wrote:
>
> > and that's permanently (how long so
> > far?)
>
> ~ 2 years? A long time.
How long did you take Quercetin? And how long has it been since you
stopped?
Also, how do you explain that the symptoms didn't come back after you
stopped?
- David
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as
a nail. - A. Maslow
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>
> "Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@xganon.com> wrote in message
> news:751ef39942077125...@anon.xg.nu...
> > David Zolt wrote:
> >
> > > and that's permanently (how long so
> > > far?)
> >
> > ~ 2 years? A long time.
>
> How long did you take Quercetin? And how long has it been since you
> stopped?
>
> Also, how do you explain that the symptoms didn't come back after you
> stopped?
>
for people, I believe Anon has said that he is about 95% cured in the
past.
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> David Zolt wrote:
> >
> > "Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@xganon.com> wrote in message
> > news:751ef39942077125...@anon.xg.nu...
> > > David Zolt wrote:
> > >
> > > > and that's permanently (how long so
> > > > far?)
> > >
> > > ~ 2 years? A long time.
> >
> > How long did you take Quercetin? And how long has it been since you
> > stopped?
> >
> > Also, how do you explain that the symptoms didn't come back after
you
> > stopped?
> >
> Look, he is not cured, ok? Hardly anyone is. Though I hate to speak
> for people, I believe Anon has said that he is about 95% cured in the
> past.
OJ,
I got that Anon said he wasn't "cured." I'm just asking some questions
to better understand his experience. I don't understand what your point
is and why you're interjecting here.
Anonymous
> How long did you take Quercetin? And how long
> has it been since you stopped?
I took the q. for a few months. I've already answered the 2nd question.
David Zolt
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> David Zolt wrote:
>
> > How long did you take Quercetin? And how long
> > has it been since you stopped?
>
> I took the q. for a few months. I've already answered the 2nd
question.
Do you have any explanation or theory as to why your symptoms didn't
return after you stopped taking Q?
jqp
number of men. Take home message, and this is my experience too. In fact
out of all the stuff I've seen here, this has been the most impressive
take-away I've gotten for my troops.
jqp
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"GREG STEGNER" <hal...@PRODIGY.NET> wrote in message
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> I don't browse this newsgroup as often as I used to - I'm taking a
tiny
> dose of quercetin (Twinlabs only!), which has reduced my symptoms about
90%.
> I found out about quercetin's curative properties from this newsgroup. So
> why are the great majority of these postings COMPLETELY IGNORING the
> "quercetin cure" that I discovered ON THIS NEWSGROUP! If someone is
talking
> about antibiotics, collodial silver, brocolli, technical lectures at Uro
> conventions, etc. etc. etc., and has not tried quercetin, they are simply
> not serious about getting well.
> For those that have tried quercetin and had poor or no results, I
had
> to go through 3 or 4 brands before (thru sheer luck) finding the right
one.
> A long story short: I unscrew a capsule of Twinlabs quercetin each morning
> and take about one-tenth (!) of a dose. More than that, and I get
> unnecessary side effects. One jar lasts me all year.
> I'm a CP veteran of 15+ years. The two years before quercetin, I had
to
> self-massage EVERY NIGHT. My Uro had suggested (yikes!) removing the
gland,
> and putting in a prosthesis. Now, during the year I've used quercetin, I
> massage about once every week or two, mainly to inspect my prostate, which
> remains small and relatively problem-free.
> To everyone with dead-end ideas who has already tried quercetin, I
> apologize. To those who haven't, quit whining and get some! If you need
any
> advice, feel free to email me.
>
> GregS
>
>
Anonymous
> "Anonymous" <rema...@xganon.com> wrote in message
> news:514c8cc6be9f3149...@remailer.xganon.com...
> > David Zolt wrote:
> >
> > > How long did you take Quercetin? And how long
> > > has it been since you stopped?
> >
> > I took the q. for a few months. I've already answered the 2nd
> question.
>
> Do you have any explanation or theory as to why your symptoms didn't
> return after you stopped taking Q?
No, since I'm not a scientist. The reason is probably quite complex
biochemically ...
BTW, I'm one of the only guys, helped by quercetin, who still bothers to
post here, FWIW. Since the advent of q. the group has really gone
downhill (good posters excepted). Most of the smart fellas have gone -
their glands now in good enough working order for them to concentrate on
other things. I think quercetin even chased off the ANF spamdog,
finally. I used to think it was me who put a cracker up his rear end,
but now I think quercetin just ruined his business.
Rhemium
>out of all the stuff I've seen here, this has >been the most impressive
>take-away I've gotten for my troops.
No doubt.
After all that we've been through, "not thinking about it" is a cure, indeed.
I'll take 95%.
Right now I'm at 75%, and I'm due for a flare up (two straight weeks of subdued
symptoms).
Just three weeks ago, I was hurtin'. But 6 weeks ago, I was fine.
Fucking roller coaster ride.
But a year ago? Oh god. The horror.
John Garst
Anonymous <rema...@xganon.com> wrote:
> ...two painful joints on my right hand - one in my pinkie (pinky?)
> finger, like John Garst....
I haven't taken Q for a long time now, and my pinkie appears to have
recovered completely. I can't swear that Q was the cause, but it
correlates.
NiceShyMiamiGuy
Rexhepi Sabri
"David Zolt" <davi...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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Chris
Is it something you can from some nature foods store or is it pharmacy only? I
would like to give this a try. Any side-effects?
And what is this "broccoli treament" I'm hearing about?
Derek
"Chris" wrote....
You don't need a prescription for Quercetin. I think it is a bioflavanoid,
which can be purchased at any health store. Research it..........I don't
know much about the broccoli treatment, as I haven't tried it?
Ken Smith
<n...@no.com> wrote:
Chris, your questions are all answered at the prostatitis.org website,
which reflects the content of this newsgroup and more over the past 6
years.
See http://prostatitis.org/quercetin.html to get started on Quercetin.
See http://prostatitis.org/broccindex.html to get started on broccoli.
If you have any other questions, try
http://prostatitis.org/search.html. Your results will show newsgroup
comments and prostatitis.org web pages, not the results from the entire
Internet, thus each answer will be prostatitis-specific.
Public <Anonymous_Account>
> If you have any other questions, try
> http://prostatitis.org/search.html. Your results will show newsgroup
> comments and prostatitis.org web pages, not the results from the entire
> Internet, thus each answer will be prostatitis-specific.
By far the best, fastest, cleanest way to search this newsgroup is
Google. Google now OWN the history of this newsgroup, and having used
both the search feature at prostatitis.org and the one at Google, I can
tell you there is no comparison, Google stands head and shoulders above
the competition.
The key thing to remember is to enter "sci.med.prostate.prostatitis" or
"*prostatitis*" or even just "*prostate* into the field called
"Newsgroup". [Use the "*" sign on each end of the word].
Here is Google's Usenet search. Bookmark it, everyone:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
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"Public <Anonymous_Account>" wrote:
> By far the best, fastest, cleanest way to search this newsgroup is
> Google. Google now OWN the history of this newsgroup, and having used
> both the search feature at prostatitis.org and the one at Google, I can
> tell you there is no comparison, Google stands head and shoulders above
> the competition.
>
> The key thing to remember is to enter "sci.med.prostate.prostatitis" or
> "*prostatitis*" or even just "*prostate* into the field called
> "Newsgroup". [Use the "*" sign on each end of the word].
>
> Here is Google's Usenet search. Bookmark it, everyone:
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
>
And Google is really cool because the user identities have not been vetted
like p.org :)
Rhemium
>detected and I was cleared of infection.
>(and white blood cells) the symtomps >remained.
Shocker!
petepag...@gmail.com
I just got some quercitin. Can you explain how to do the massage. I have been looking for a therapist. I read that you are to try and find trigger points while doing the massage. Pete
GREG STEGNER
NiceShyMiamiGuy
androgens, and medications like mepartricin which block estrogen without
raising male hormone levels, benifit the prostate. It also appears that as we
age - hormonal imbalances and changes really piss off our prostates.
>Subject: QUERCETIN has nearly cured me
>From: "GREG STEGNER" hal...@PRODIGY.NET
>Date: 5/12/01 10:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9djfl1$57qo$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>
>
> I don't browse this newsgroup as often as I used to - I'm taking a tiny
>dose of quercetin (Twinlabs only!), which has reduced my symptoms about 90%.
>I found out about quercetin's curative properties from this newsgroup. So
>why are the great majority of these postings COMPLETELY IGNORING the
>"quercetin cure" that I discovered ON THIS NEWSGROUP! If someone is talking
>about antibiotics, collodial silver, brocolli, technical lectures at Uro
>conventions, etc. etc. etc., and has not tried quercetin, they are simply
>not serious about getting well.
> For those that have tried quercetin and had poor or no results, I had
>to go through 3 or 4 brands before (thru sheer luck) finding the right one.
>A long story short: I unscrew a capsule of Twinlabs quercetin each morning
>and take about one-tenth (!) of a dose. More than that, and I get
>unnecessary side effects.
-- What kind of Side effects?
One jar lasts me all year.
> I'm a CP veteran of 15+ years. The two years before quercetin, I had to
>self-massage EVERY NIGHT. My Uro had suggested (yikes!) removing the gland,
>and putting in a prosthesis.
---- EEEk - what kind of prosthesis?
Anonymous
> I don't browse this newsgroup as often
> as I used to - I'm taking a tiny dose of
> quercetin (Twinlabs only!), which has
> reduced my symptoms about 90%. I found
> out about quercetin's curative properties
> from this newsgroup. So why are the great
> majority of these postings COMPLETELY
> IGNORING the "quercetin cure" that I
> discovered ON THIS NEWSGROUP!
>
Greg, I think what's happened is this: many, many of the old posters
have disappeared, and I suspect this is because of Quercetin, courtesy
Danny Shoskes, one of the smartest uros in town. I know that I only post
here because this is my hobby. I have not actually thought about "ye
olde prostate" for many moons. The people left here are either those who
are literally too stupid to try quercetin ("I won't name names") or
those who do not respond to quercetin (or who have qiven up on it too
quickly). As with many medicines, there will always be the
non-responders who simply don't get any benefit.
> If someone is talking about antibiotics,
> collodial silver, brocolli, technical lectures at
> Uro conventions, etc. etc. etc.,
Of course we must talk about technical lectures - even you admit only a
90% cure. We still seek the 100% cure, old chap!
> and has not
> tried quercetin, they are simply not serious
> about getting well. For those that have
> tried quercetin and had poor or no results, I
> had to go through 3 or 4 brands before
> (thru sheer luck) finding the right one.
Good advice.
> A long story short: I unscrew a capsule of
> Twinlabs quercetin each morning and take
> about one-tenth (!) of a dose. More than
> that, and I get unnecessary side effects.
> One jar lasts me all year. I'm a CP
> veteran of 15+ years. The two years before
> quercetin, I had to self-massage EVERY
> NIGHT.
Yup, so much for the miracle of massage.
> My Uro had suggested (yikes!)
> removing the gland, and putting in a
> prosthesis.
His only way of making a real profit out of you.
> Now, during the year I've used
> quercetin, I massage about once every
> week or two, mainly to inspect my prostate,
> which remains small and relatively problem-
> free. To everyone with dead-end ideas
> who has already tried quercetin, I apologize.
> To those who haven't, quit whining and get
> some! If you need any advice, feel free to
> email me.
>
> GregS
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NiceShyMiamiGuy
commented on it before. The post says he had this condition for 15 years took
quecetin and its gone? He states that he tried everything else and that his
doctor wanted to cut out his gland?> My Uro had suggested (yikes!) >
on my BS meter. This whole posts seems a bit bogus, like snake oil - cure all
come on. There is nothing wrong with taking quercetin (although he reports
adverse effects form a full capsule??) but I doubt that it is the cure all for
this condition. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that the supplement you buy
contains any of the ingredients that are listed on the label. Again the only
proven method which has a 100% cure rate for those who have tried it is the
much vaunted and hailed "Miami Protocol", there is no harm, I guess in taking
quecetin, but do not neglect the other avenues that have worked for others.
Robbrou
>proven method which has a 100% cure rate for those who have tried it is the
>much vaunted and hailed "Miami Protocol"
Hardly proven by scientific standards.
The n (# of subjects) treated with the "Miami Protocol" is infinitesimally
small by scientific standards. Furthermore, there has been no controlled study
to verify this man's claims. Quercetin, however, has been scientifically
studied and shown to be effective.
>This whole posts seems a bit bogus, like snake oil - cure all
>come on.
Pot calling kettle black. Again, there is scientific research to support the
effectiveness of Quercetin. The "Miami Protocol" is simply a name ascribed to
one man's experiences in treating himself.
NiceShyMiamiGuy
>one man's experiences in treating himself.
This is all true - but it worked for me ;-)
Robbrou
Then state your findings as such. Boasting a protocol with a 100% cure rate,
and not qualifying those results by stating that it is a sample of ONE, is
misleading and, again, irresponsible.
NiceShyMiamiGuy
Vic...@webtv.net
hal...@PRODIGY.NET wrote:
>I don't browse this newsgroup as often as I
>used to
Good for you.
>- I'm taking a tiny dose of quercetin (Twinlabs
>only!), which has reduced my symptoms about
>90%. I found out about quercetin's curative
>properties from this newsgroup. So why are the
>great majority of these postings >COMPLETELYIGNORING the "quercetin
cure"
By your own admission, you are not "cured".
>that I discovered ON THIS NEWSGROUP! If
>someone is talking about antibiotics, collodial
>silver, brocolli, technical lectures at Uro
>conventions, etc. etc. etc., and has not tried
>quercetin, they are simply not serious about
>getting well.
What makes you think that the posters here haven't tried Q in all shapes
and sizes?
> For those that have tried quercetin
and
>had poor or no results, I had to go through 3 or
>4 brands before (thru sheer luck)
Some describe luck as preparation meeting opportunity. You tried 3
brands and on the fourth got "lucky"?
>finding the right one. A long story short: I
>unscrew a capsule of Twinlabs quercetin each
>morning and take about one-tenth (!) of a dose.
>More than that, and I get unnecessary side
>effects. One jar lasts me all year.
So, you have taken one-tenth of a dose for the past year? Have you been
taking any meds prescribed by your Dr. during this period?
Thanks for the offer for e-mail consultation but I
prefer you answer to the group. What about
that Prosthesis?
Beeskay Bagah
--
Please don't send email, as I don't check the account.
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Anonymous
> Gabe Mirkin, M.D.
>
> Prostate infections are extremely difficult to
> diagnose and treat because most doctors do
> not order the right tests and even when they
> make the correct diagnosis, they often fail
> to treat the condition long enough or they fail
> to treat infected partners.
This is classic Moronic Murky Mirkin.
> SYMPTOMS: Chronic prostatitis is
> characterized by a feeling of having to
> urinate all the time, discomfort during
> urination, terrible discomfort when the
> bladder is full and having to get up many time
> each night to urinate.
Woohoo! Great - I've never had any of these symptoms, so I guess I've
never had CP!!
But honesty, folks, if a "MD" can't even get the symptoms of CP/CPPS
right, why bother listening to a word he has to say?
> .... If he sees
> white blood cells in your secretions under the
> microscope, your urine has a positive
> leukocyte esterase or nitrite test and your
> urine culture and semen do not grow a
> germ, the odds are overwhelming that you
> are infected with chlamydia, mycoplasma or
> ureaplasma or something else that cannot be
> diagnosed.
Wow! Where do I start? And should I bother? This is the same nonsense
we got from Dr Feel-in-your-ano : all inflammation is caused by
infection, all sterile tests are untrustworthy, if no bugs are found
then THERE ARE STILL BUGS!!
> Failure to see white blood cells in your
> secretions does not rule out a prostate
> infection.
Why am I not surprised?
> Most urologists do not order semen
> cultures because they claim that they are
> always contaminated with germs from the
> skin. Recent studies from Cornell and
> Mexico City show that they are wrong (2,3).
Mirkin is **famous** for mis-citing studies, or soemtimes even
inventing them. Here he cites a study which directly contradicts his
theme. The study shows that in order to get fewer false-positives from
semen tests, you should :
1) shower directly before having the test done;
2) have a perineal, penile and hand wash with 4%
chlorhexidine and 10% povidone-iodine.
Of course, no-one does this.
In fact, hilariously, the study concludes that:
These data suggest that the source
of most enteric organisms isolated
from semen is genital and perineal skin.
What!! So most test only show innocent bacteria anyway! This
reinforces the position of those who dismiss the role of active
bacteria in CP/CPPS!
The second study is not on Medline, so once again one suspects a
little Mirkin sleight-of-hand.
> Most men collect semen cultures from the
> vagina or mouth which always is
> contaminated.
Bwahahahahaha - yeah, I collect semen samples from my wife's mouth! Oh
God, the crap you find on the Internet!
> If the patient is asked to
> shower and clean himself with soap and
> water, then collect the specimen with his
> hands and then let it squirt into the culture
> jar without touching it, the culture is very
> dependable (2).
In fact the study he cites shows that even with those (never used)
stringent preparations, false positives are only reduced by 50%.
> One bacteria that is extremely difficult to
> cure is a group D enterococcus. It usually
> cannot be cured by taking oral medication.
> Sometimes it can be cured by injecting 2.4
> million units of Bicillin several times a week
> for several weeks.
Search Medline for "bicillin AND prostatitis". Hits? Zero. Hahahahaa!
> Prostate infections are extraordinarily
> difficult to cure because antibiotics do not
> accumulate in high concentrations in the
> prostate.
Oh pahleeeeeeze! There are numerous studies showing the exact
opposite. Many antibiotics, though oral administration, achieve a
prostate level much higher than the minimal inhibitory concentration
required. This is old hat.
Why does the medical profession allow men like Mirkin to be licensed?
Aren't they ashamed to have him called a MD?
> So most men have to take
> appropriate antibiotics for many months and
> their partners have to take the same
> antibiotics for a much shorter duration. I
> often prescribe a quinolone antibiotic called
> Tequin for several months. If you do not feel
> much better by six weeks, you may need to
> ejaculate frequently or find a kind urologist
> who will agree to massage your prostate at
> least once a week while you take the
> antibiotics. UCLA researchers report that 40%
> were cured, 20% were initially cured and
> then had a recurrence perhaps because the
> partner was not treated, 21% were
> improved and only 21% had no improvement.
> All the men who had bacteria in their semen
> cultures produced sterile specimens after
> treatment (1).
I bet Dr DS is *thrilled* to know that Gabe "Shyster" Mirkin is using
his research in this way.
> 1) DA Shoskes, SI Zeitlin. Use of prostatic
> massage in combination with antibiotics in
> the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Prostate
> Cancer and Prostatic Diseases, 1999, Vol 2,
> Iss 3, pp 159-162.
>
> 2) FY Kim, , Goldstein. Antibacterial skin
> preparation decreases the incidence of
> false-positive semen culture results. Journal
> of Urology 161: 3 (MAR 1999):819-821.
>
> 3) CA VillanuevaDiaz, GA FloresReyes, M
> BeltranZuniga, M Echavarria Sanchez, JF.
> International Journal of Fertility and Women's
> Medicine, 1999, Vol 44, Iss 4, pp 198-203.
> MEXICO.
>
> 4) JJ Stevermer, SK Easley. Treatment of
> prostatitis. American Family Physician,
> 2000, Vol 61, Iss 10, pp 3015-3022
>
> Health Topics from • The Dr. Gabe Mirkin
> Show and DrMirkin.com• Box 10,
> Kensington MD 20895
David Zolt
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> Greg, I think what's happened is this: many, many of the old posters
> have disappeared, and I suspect this is because of Quercetin, courtesy
> Danny Shoskes, one of the smartest uros in town. I know that I only
post
> here because this is my hobby. I have not actually thought about "ye
> olde prostate" for many moons.
Anon,
I thought that a while back you had to go off Quercetin because it was
damaging your joints? What has happened since then?
David Zolt
news:9djfl1$57qo$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com...
> For those that have tried quercetin and had poor or no results,
I had
> to go through 3 or 4 brands before (thru sheer luck) finding the right
one.
> A long story short: I unscrew a capsule of Twinlabs quercetin each
> morning and take about one-tenth (!) of a dose. More than that,
> and I get unnecessary side effects. One jar lasts me all year.
Why would the brand matter?
Also, are you saying that some brands are better than others? Or that
one brand will work better for one man while another brand will work
better for some other man?
Anonymous
> Anon,
>
> I thought that a while back you had to go off Quercetin because it was
> damaging your joints? What has happened since then?
Actually, that's partly true. As I stated a while ago, my encounter with
quercetin did two things for me: 1) permanently improved my CPPS to the
point where I no longer consider it a problem in my life, and 2) left
me with two painful joints on my right hand - one in my pinkie (pinky?)
finger, like John Garst, and one in the adjacent finger (not nearly as
painful - just twinges).
I now get booster quercetin from Red Bush Tea aka Rooibois, which I
drink sporadically, but for the taste, not the q. I know is has q. bec.
it hurts my fingers, exactly like q . does.
Avery
"GREG STEGNER" wrote
Quercetin has worked for me; very well infact. March/April 2000 I was
claiming a cure with the broccoli broth. Then I had one hell of a relapse. I
became quite desperate really. I started quercetin around September/October
2000. Within 3 weeks I was reaping the benefits. I am almost prepared to
used the cured word, but I won't say that until another 6 months have
passed. I'm revisting the NG at the moment and very entertaining it is.
Hope this answers your question.
Avery
"NiceShyMiamiGuy" wrote
> Looks like quercetin inhibites the secretion of the prostate-specific,
> androgens <SNIP>
I think PSA stands for Prostate Specific Antigen.
jqp
"Avery" <Av...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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I don't know. We better look that up. Paul usually is right you know--says
he "reads a lot". Too bad he just doesn't recognize 1/2 the words. ;~}
jqp
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David Zolt
> David Zolt wrote:
>
> > Anon,
> >
> > I thought that a while back you had to go off Quercetin because it
was
> > damaging your joints? What has happened since then?
>
> Actually, that's partly true. As I stated a while ago, my encounter
with
> quercetin did two things for me: 1) permanently improved my CPPS to
the
> point where I no longer consider it a problem in my life, and 2) left
> me with two painful joints on my right hand - one in my pinkie
(pinky?)
> finger, like John Garst, and one in the adjacent finger (not nearly as
> painful - just twinges).
>
> I now get booster quercetin from Red Bush Tea aka Rooibois, which I
> drink sporadically, but for the taste, not the q. I know is has q.
bec.
> it hurts my fingers, exactly like q . does.
So are you saying that you continue to take Quercetin because it greatly
helps your prostatitis even though it causes significant pain in certain
joints? What's your Quercetin dosage and what brand do you take?
I have a parallel experience that might be of interest to you. I have
been taking Chrysin gel for about 4 months because it (a) is an
antiaromatase (i.e, reduces estradiol by blocking conversion of
testosterone to estradiol) and (b) acts as an natural insulin
sensitizer. It works so well that I moved from a moderate dosage (90
mg/day) to a high dosage (270 mg/day). (Do a Medline search if you don't
believe it, or I can post the articles here if you insist. Also, my own
blood test results show significant improvements in both of these
areas). It worked great for a while, but about 2 weeks ago I started
feeling fatigue and joint pain. The joint pain is in my right hand
thumb and pointer finger (other opposite side of the right hand from
your problem). So, about a week ago, I backed off to 90 mg/day once
again and the pain has subsided a lot but not disappeared.
What's interesting here is that both Quercetin and Chrysin are
bioflavinoids. Any insights here?
Public <Anonymous_Account>
> So are you saying that you continue to take Quercetin because it greatly
> helps your prostatitis even though it causes significant pain in certain
> joints? What's your Quercetin dosage and what brand do you take?
Actually, no, that's not what I said. I said that I only take q. now via
Rooibos tea, which I drink *intermittently*, and only for the *taste*. I
don't need to treat my CPPS any longer. The only thing which can cause
symptoms to come back big time is wheat, so 99.99 % of the time I don't
eat it (but I slip once in a while - just human).
> I have a parallel experience that might be of interest to you. I have
> been taking Chrysin gel for about 4 months because it (a) is an
> antiaromatase (i.e, reduces estradiol by blocking conversion of
> testosterone to estradiol) and (b) acts as an natural insulin
> sensitizer. It works so well that I moved from a moderate dosage (90
> mg/day) to a high dosage (270 mg/day). (Do a Medline search if you don't
> believe it, or I can post the articles here if you insist. Also, my own
> blood test results show significant improvements in both of these
> areas). It worked great for a while, but about 2 weeks ago I started
> feeling fatigue and joint pain. The joint pain is in my right hand
> thumb and pointer finger (other opposite side of the right hand from
> your problem). So, about a week ago, I backed off to 90 mg/day once
> again and the pain has subsided a lot but not disappeared.
>
> What's interesting here is that both Quercetin and Chrysin are
> bioflavinoids. Any insights here?
Not from me, but it sure is interesting!
David Zolt
"Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@xganon.com> wrote in message
news:9043945a44fa778a...@anon.xg.nu...
> > So are you saying that you continue to take Quercetin
> > because it greatly helps your prostatitis even though
> > it causes significant pain in certain joints? What's
> > your Quercetin dosage and what brand do you take?
>
> Actually, no, that's not what I said. I said that I only take q. now
via
> Rooibos tea, which I drink *intermittently*, and only for the *taste*.
I
> don't need to treat my CPPS any longer. The only thing which can cause
> symptoms to come back big time is wheat, so 99.99 % of the time I
don't
> eat it (but I slip once in a while - just human).
So you're saying that you took Quercetin for an extended period of time
(how long, what dosage and brand?) and that's permanently (how long so
far?) cured your prostatitis?
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