Scientology lied to me over and over for years
Warrior
I have been involved with many churches in my lifetime.
When I was young I was blessed in the Central Christian Church. My father
and mother were active members there. They were married in that church. My
paternal grandparents were also members there and were quite active, having
established a ministerial scholarship. My father sang in the choir there until
his untimely death at the young age of 22.
After my father's death, my mother eventually remarried a man in the
US Air Force, and we moved to New England. There I was raised in the
Congregational Church in a small town with a population of about 2000 people.
I was active in the church, singing in the choir. I also belonged to the
youth group called the Christian Youth Fellowship. I also attended Sunday
school regularly.
In the 60s I went to live with my grandfather for a couple of years. During
that time I attended the Methodist Church, again actively participating in
the choir.
In 1967 I was to move again, this time back to the town where I had been
born. As a teenager I began to explore other religious beliefs, starting
with Unitarianism. Then the Tao. Then Buddhism.
While there was much truth and wisdom to be gained from my association
with, and study of all religious beliefs, I remained a Christian in practice.
It was during the late 60s that I had my first contact with Scientology. I
believed _wrongly_ that a person could continue to be a Christian and to
practice Scientology. After all, I had never been lied to before by any
organization calling itself a church. So when the registrar at the Class IV
Org told me I could continue to worship as a Christian _and_ be a Scientologist
I took him at his word. I was told that there was no conflict between
Scientology and Christianity -- that the two beliefs were compatible. In fact
I was told that a person could be *both* a Scientologist _and_ a Christian
at the same time, since Scientology was an "applied religious philosophy"
and the study of "knowing how to know" things, whether it was our relation
with the Creator, our origins, our destination after physical death, etc.
In other words, Scientology held itself out (through the Executive
Director, the Public Officer, the Course Supervisor, the Registrar and
others whom I had contact with) to be 100% compatible with *any* religion.
Well, it has been 30 years now since I first began my study of Scientology.
I will admit that I was very skeptical at first, and that during the first
6 years after the time I first heard about Scientology, I was not very
actively or seriously studying the subject.
In 1973 I signed a staff contract at the local Class IV Org. I worked
evenings and weekends as a Foundation (nighttime and weekends) staff
member. I had a day job that I was not going to give up since I was worried
about how much my pay would be as a staff member of Scientology. My worries
turned out to be well-founded.
I will never forget how astonished and disbelieving I was when payday
came after my first week as a staff member. I had worked approximately 48
hours my first week. My pay was $7.00... Granted, I was a newbie with much
to learn; but then I was earning about $120 - $150 per week managing a
restaurant for my day job which I put in an average of 40 - 50 hrs/wk.
At only $3.00 per hour, my day job wasn't making me rich either, but at
least I was able to work my schedule around my classes at the University,
and food was available to me at what it cost the restaurant owner. So I
was happy.
In 1975 I joined the Sea Organization of the "Church" of Scientology.
That turned out to be the biggest mistake of my life.
I didn't realize it at the time of signing my contract, but the Sea Org
Recruiter (Steve Grant) from ASHO Day had lied to me about every aspect
of the Sea Organization's living conditions.
1) He lied about the facilities for child care (at that time referred to as
the Cadet Org). I was told that there was a day care facility to look after
my child, and that upon my arrival in ASHO, my child would be placed in this
day care center while I worked. Upon my arrival to the Sea Org in LA, I
discovered that the Cadet Org (on Melrose Avenue at that time) was absolutely
filthy. It was understaffed. Many babies (infants and toddlers) wandered
around in the lobby, apparently under the care of the *receptionist*!! I
was disgusted. This "day care" facility was obviously in violation of health
codes. What I saw was utter neglect, filth and stench. Several babies were
crawling on the tiled floor. They were filthy and in need of having their
diapers changed. And at the time that I walked into the building and into the
lobby, there was *no one* even there to keep their eyes on the children.
2) He lied about pay and bonuses that I would receive, saying that base
pay was not all we received, but that we would get bonuses for good production.
Bonuses were all but non-existent. Oh I do recall getting a $2.50 "bonus" once!
What the recruiter (and everyone else) failed to tell me was that there would
be *many* weeks that we would receive _NO_ pay.
3) He lied to me about the food we would be served, and he even stated that
every "mess" had its own "Steward" to serve us. The food was actually very
bland and boring most of the time. We had no posted "Steward" for our mess.
In reality the "Stewards" were the members of the "mess" we were assigned to.
We all held the job of "Steward" on a rotational basis, for one week at a time.
4) He lied about time off from post. I had been told I would be given time
to pursue my interests in music, that I would be given weekends off, and that
nighttimes were my own time when I wasn't on course. In reality, staff
never got more than one day per week off. Usually it was half of a Saturday,
every other week. When we were not on post we were ordered onto study or
auditing ("enhancement time").
5) He lied about how much time I would be allowed to spend with my child.
During the first two years in the Sea Org, I wasn't even allowed to live
with my kid. Since his mother wasn't allowed to join the Sea Org, my child
was not allowed to be in the Cadet Org. (My wife wasn't on staff since
*after* signing a Sea Org contract and driving 1400 miles to LA, she was told
she had a "psych history".
6) He lied about berthing conditions. Since my wife was not allowed in the
Sea Org, I had to live in a dorm at the 7th floor of the Hollywood Inn (at
6724 Hollywood Blvd) with 8 other guys crammed in one room with only _one_
bathroom facility that we all shared. We all slept in bunkbeds stacked 3-high.
My wife and son lived miles away on N. Robinson Ave. in a house that they
shared with Ray Peck (ASHO Fdn staff) and Ruthie Weissberg and her son David.
(Ruthie was ASHO Day staff.)
The room I lived in was small and smelly. It was basically a place to
sleep. I kind of felt like I had a slot on a shelf to park my weary bones
before reporting back to duty a few hours later.
There is so much more that I could say, but the point I wanted to make
is that the only church that ever lied to me was the "church" of Scientology.
And that I was lied to over and over and over again through the almost 8
years I was a Sea Org member. This post only deals with a few of the initial
lies I was told in order to dupe me into signing a Sea Org contract.
More later...
Warrior
Joe Harrington
If you considered yourself a committed Christian, what were you dabbling
in other religions for? When was the first time you learned that "past
lifes" were addressed in Scientology?
> In 1973 I signed a staff contract at the local Class IV Org. I worked
> evenings and weekends as a Foundation (nighttime and weekends) staff
> member. I had a day job that I was not going to give up since I was worried
> about how much my pay would be as a staff member of Scientology. My worries
> turned out to be well-founded.
>
> I will never forget how astonished and disbelieving I was when payday
> came after my first week as a staff member. I had worked approximately 48
> hours my first week. My pay was $7.00... Granted, I was a newbie with much
> to learn; but then I was earning about $120 - $150 per week managing a
> restaurant for my day job which I put in an average of 40 - 50 hrs/wk.
> At only $3.00 per hour, my day job wasn't making me rich either, but at
> least I was able to work my schedule around my classes at the University,
> and food was available to me at what it cost the restaurant owner. So I
> was happy.
>
> In 1975 I joined the Sea Organization of the "Church" of Scientology.
>
> That turned out to be the biggest mistake of my life.
Why in the world did you stay on, knowing what staff pay was, and THEN
join the Sea Org?
I find it rather incredible that you would stay in the Sea Org for 8
years, after learning of the real conditions. What prevented you from
leaving?
> More later...
>
> Warrior
Joe
Jens Tingleff
In article <5m5db0$c...@drn.zippo.com>, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
[must-read post snipped]
> There is so much more that I could say, but the point I wanted to make
> is that the only church that ever lied to me was the "church" of Scientology.
> And that I was lied to over and over and over again through the almost 8
> years I was a Sea Org member. This post only deals with a few of the initial
> lies I was told in order to dupe me into signing a Sea Org contract.
>
> More later...
Thanks for posting this. I'll be looking forward to the sequels
Jens
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Lars Baehren
Warrior wrote:
> 1) He lied about the facilities for child care (at that time
> referred to as the Cadet Org). I was told that there was a day care
> facility to look after my child, and that upon my arrival in ASHO, my
> child would be placed in this day care center while I worked. Upon my > arrival to the Sea Org in LA, I discovered that the Cadet Org (on
> Melrose Avenue at that time) was absolutely filthy. It was
> understaffed. Many babies (infants and toddlers) wandered around in
> the lobby, apparently under the care of the *receptionist*!! I
> was disgusted. This "day care" facility was obviously in violation of > health codes. What I saw was utter neglect, filth and stench. Several
> babies were crawling on the tiled floor. They were filthy and in need
> of having their diapers changed. And at the time that I walked into
> the building and into the lobby, there was *no one* even there to keep > their eyes on the children.
Reminds me of the Clearwater story from the the ARD documentation. How
did you react to this? What about the other parent - did they really
care that little about their children?
Sorry, but such are messages horrifying.
[snip]
>
> More later...
>
> Warrior
A very interesting post. Corious about continuation.
Lars B"ahren
Joe Harrington
posted/mailed
Warrior wrote:
>
> In article <33871D...@worldnet.att.net>, Joe says...
> I was open to the possibility that there were answers to be found outside
> of, and in addition to what I had learned from Christianity.
> I was told that Scientology was a "science of knowing how to know". And
> due to my curiosity and open-mindedness (and being naive) I did not want
> to miss any truths that might be learned elsewhere, including Scientology.
> Some might consider that I was not that dedicated to my Christian beliefs.
> Perhaps my faith did waiver at times. But I was always open to the possibility
> that I could be wrong in my beliefs. I _am_ willing to be wrong. I am not
> perfect after all.
> What I did come to find is that most religions have many common beliefs.
> Some things are just plain common sense. The Golden Rule is a good example.
> "As you reap, so shall ye sew" is another.
> I had experienced many deja vu experiences throughout my lifetime. Even prior
> to any involvement with Scientology, I had come to accept that I had lived
> before. Probably the first time I learned that past lives were addressed in
> Scientology was 1973, at a Ron's Birthday event as I recall. I had been
> taught by my elders that early Christians believed in reincarnation. Right
> or wrong, I accepted this belief based on my own personal experiences.
>
> >> In 1973 I signed a staff contract at the local Class IV Org. I worked
> >> evenings and weekends as a Foundation (nighttime and weekends) staff
> >> member. I had a day job that I was not going to give up since I was worried
> >> about how much my pay would be as a staff member of Scientology. My worries
> >> turned out to be well-founded.
> >>
> >> I will never forget how astonished and disbelieving I was when payday
> >> came after my first week as a staff member. I had worked approximately 48
> >> hours my first week. My pay was $7.00... Granted, I was a newbie with much
> >> to learn; but then I was earning about $120 - $150 per week managing a
> >> restaurant for my day job which I put in an average of 40 - 50 hrs/wk.
> >> At only $3.00 per hour, my day job wasn't making me rich either, but at
> >> least I was able to work my schedule around my classes at the University,
> >> and food was available to me at what it cost the restaurant owner. So I
> >> was happy.
> >>
> >> In 1975 I joined the Sea Organization of the "Church" of Scientology.
> >>
> >> That turned out to be the biggest mistake of my life.
> >
> >Why in the world did you stay on, knowing what staff pay was, and THEN
> >join the Sea Org?
>
> Because it was represented to me that conditions were different in the
> Sea Org. Sea Org orgs are on a base pay system with food, housing, medical,
> etc. (ref: Flag Order 732 _Crew Welfare_) *supposedly* provided. Class IV
> Orgs (now called Class V) are on a "proportional pay, or unit system. What
> this means to the uninformed, is that Class IV/V org staff provide their own
> food, housing, medical, and so forth out of the pay they receive.
> Another equally important reason I stayed on is that I *believed* that
> Scientology was a group that was working to make a difference in the world
> in terms of improved conditions, making people saner, etc. I wanted to be
> part of a group that I perceived to be helping mankind by making the world
> a better place to live.
> I know it does sound incredible. I joined the SO in November 1975 and left
> for good in September 1983. I had tried to leave in 1977, but was told by the
> SuperCargo (Alan Prager) at the time that I was an SP for wanting to leave.
> The Personnel Enhancement Officer, Peggy Peden, told me I was psychotic.
> Many other staff told me that if I left the Sea Org I would "pull in a
> horrible death", that "You *KNOW* that the SO is *THE* only valid game in
> the universe", that I would be condemned to an eternity of suffering, pain
> and unconsciousness if I "stepped off the road to truth", etc.
> I was also sec-checked for about 40 hours on the HCO WW Form 1.
> I also had a wife who wanted to be in the SO, and she didn't want me to
> leave either, saying that it would be the end of our 2D if I routed out.
> Later on when I finally decided to leave the SO *and did*, my wife
> was by then a Sea Org member. She told me she wanted a divorce if I wasn't
> going to be part of the most "in-ethics group on the planet". This was in
> the early 80s. By then I had been betrayed so much by Scientology and the
> SO that I basically said. "FINE. If you want to be a part of this degraded
> and supprerssed/suppressive group, then GO AHEAD. But I am leaving."
> There is so much more to tell. I will eventually tell it all. I just
> don't have the time right now. It is a long story to tell all that happened
> to me over 8 years. More later.
>
> Warrior
>
> >
> >> More later...
> >>
> >> Warrior
> >
> >Joe
Thanks for your very much from the heart response, and I look forward to
hearing more.
Joe
Bev
Lars Baehren wrote:
> Warrior wrote:
> > 1) He lied about the facilities for child care (at that time
> > referred to as the Cadet Org). I was told that there was a day care
> > facility to look after my child, and that upon my arrival in ASHO, my
> > child would be placed in this day care center while I worked. Upon my
> > arrival to the Sea Org in LA, I discovered that the Cadet Org (on
> > Melrose Avenue at that time) was absolutely filthy. It was
> > understaffed. Many babies (infants and toddlers) wandered around in
> > the lobby, apparently under the care of the *receptionist*!! I
> > was disgusted. This "day care" facility was obviously in violation of
> > health codes. What I saw was utter neglect, filth and stench. Several
> > babies were crawling on the tiled floor. They were filthy and in need
> > of having their diapers changed. And at the time that I walked into
> > the building and into the lobby, there was *no one* even there to keep
> > their eyes on the children.
> Reminds me of the Clearwater story from the the ARD documentation. How
> did you react to this? What about the other parent - did they really
> care that little about their children?
> Sorry, but such are messages horrifying.
First, they just blank out what they see that is wrong because they
are Sea Org and that is the "greater good".
Also, Co$ is able to get people to see what they want to see. What is
true is what's true for you. So even though the place is a dive, to them
it is upstat as it is a place where "the tech" will be applied and their
kids will be raised with all of the LRH policy and there could be no
better place.
Also there is the thing is that they feel any problems that come up from
this will be handled later when the kids become "clear" and move "up the
bridge".
Beverly
Lars Baehren
Bev wrote:
>
> Lars Baehren wrote:
> > Warrior wrote:
>
>>> referred to as the Cadet Org). I was told that there was a day care
>>> facility to look after my child, and that upon my arrival in ASHO, >>> my child would be placed in this day care center while I worked.
>>> Upon my arrival to the Sea Org in LA, I discovered that the Cadet
>>> Org (on Melrose Avenue at that time) was absolutely filthy. It was
>>> understaffed. Many babies (infants and toddlers) wandered around in
>>> the lobby, apparently under the care of the *receptionist*!! I
>>> was disgusted. This "day care" facility was obviously in violation
>>> of health codes. What I saw was utter neglect, filth and stench.
>>> Several babies were crawling on the tiled floor. They were filthy
>>> and in need of having their diapers changed. And at the time that I
>>> walked into the building and into the lobby, there was *no one* even
>>> there to keep their eyes on the children.
>>
>> How did you react to this? What about the other parent - did they
>> really care that little about their children?
>> Sorry, but such are messages horrifying.
>
> First, they just blank out what they see that is wrong because they
> are Sea Org and that is the "greater good".
>
> Also, Co$ is able to get people to see what they want to see. What is
> true is what's true for you. So even though the place is a dive, to
> them it is upstat as it is a place where "the tech" will be applied
> and their kids will be raised with all of the LRH policy and there
> could be no better place.
>
> Also there is the thing is that they feel any problems that come up
> from this will be handled later when the kids become "clear" and move
> "up the bridge".
>
> Beverly
Well, I had no doubts about the way Seo Orgs parents would justify the
neglect of their children.
But the other things I do not understand is, that the authorities seem
to close their eyes and do not interfere. In germany we had cases were
children were uncaged by the police to prevent further neglect of the
children and violation of health codes. What about the USA: can $cn
treat its children as it pleases?
Still horrified by this practices.
Lars
Monica Pignotti
Warrior wrote:
<snip>
>I know it does sound incredible. I joined the SO in November 1975 and >left for good in September 1983. I had tried to leave in 1977, but was >told by the SuperCargo (Alan Prager) at the time that I was an SP for >wanting to leave. The Personnel Enhancement Officer, Peggy Peden, told >me I was psychotic.
>Many other staff told me that if I left the Sea Org I would "pull in a
>horrible death", that "You *KNOW* that the SO is *THE* only valid game >in the universe", that I would be condemned to an eternity of >suffering, pain and unconsciousness if I "stepped off the road to >truth", etc.
This is a classic example of the kind of phobia indoctrination the Cof$
lays on its members. I believe you and I'm very glad you are choosing
to tell your story, which is very consistent with the experiences of
numerous other ex-SO members. Probably nothing you say will ever
convince Joe -- I accepted this a long time ago. Don't let that stop
you from speaking out, though because your contributions here are most
valuable.
>I was also sec-checked for about 40 hours on the HCO WW Form 1.
>I also had a wife who wanted to be in the SO, and she didn't want me to
>leave either, saying that it would be the end of our 2D if I routed out.
> Later on when I finally decided to leave the SO *and did*, my wife
>was by then a Sea Org member. She told me she wanted a divorce if I >wasn't going to be part of the most "in-ethics group on the
>planet"
Yes, it is much more difficult to leave when you have family in too.
From what I've seen this is something that keeps alot of long-term
members in who might otherwise have been gone years ago.
>This was in the early 80s. By then I had been betrayed so much by >Scientology and the
>SO that I basically said. "FINE. If you want to be a part of this >degraded and supprerssed/suppressive group, then GO AHEAD. But I am >leaving."
Good for you! That took alot of courage and you had to overcome alot to
come to that point.
>There is so much more to tell. I will eventually tell it all. I just
>don't have the time right now. It is a long story to tell all that >happened to me over 8 years. More later.
I'll be looking forward to it. Perhaps you can write up your whole
experience and someone can put it up on their webpage.
Monica Pignotti
Joe Harrington
Monica Pignotti wrote:
>
> Warrior wrote:
> This is a classic example of the kind of phobia indoctrination the Cof$
> lays on its members. I believe you and I'm very glad you are choosing
> to tell your story, which is very consistent with the experiences of
> numerous other ex-SO members. Probably nothing you say will ever
> convince Joe -- I accepted this a long time ago.
Not at all. I'm very impressed by his forthrightness and his sense of
personal responsibility, and the absence of some novel off-the-wall
theory of "mind control" to rationalize everything.
Joe
Rod Keller
Warrior (war...@electrotex.com) wrote:
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Anybody can get 2 MB of free web space from www.geocities.com, and it
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--
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lo...@this.com
On 23 May 1997 17:38:56 -0700, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
I have read with interest through all of the postings started by this
article with great interest and understanding. Although my experience
in the Cof S was not as long as your own, my actual involvement with
the $cn technology spanned 12 years. I have found that only in the
last 6 months I have been able to open up and discuss what I went
through and what I have witnessed. My exposure to $cn took place in
Scotland, England and LA. I really do appreciate reading others
experiences and acknowledging the similarities in my own experiences.
>
> I have been involved with many churches in my lifetime.
>
Me too and you are right, I know I have never been lied to in the
outrageous way as in the CofD
>
> I will never forget how astonished and disbelieving I was when payday
>came after my first week as a staff member. I had worked approximately 48
>hours my first week. My pay was $7.00... Granted, I was a newbie with much
>to learn; but then I was earning about $120 - $150 per week managing a
>restaurant for my day job which I put in an average of 40 - 50 hrs/wk.
>At only $3.00 per hour, my day job wasn't making me rich either, but at
>least I was able to work my schedule around my classes at the University,
>and food was available to me at what it cost the restaurant owner. So I
>was happy.
>
I worked full time both in the Class IV org and the Sea Org, other
than receiving Ł20.00 salary over a two year period. I did earn some
other money for book commisions, this was only while in Class IV orgs
though, in the Sea Org base I had no contact with the public.
>
> There is so much more that I could say, but the point I wanted to make
>is that the only church that ever lied to me was the "church" of Scientology.
>And that I was lied to over and over and over again through the almost 8
>years I was a Sea Org member. This post only deals with a few of the initial
>lies I was told in order to dupe me into signing a Sea Org contract.
>
You know, in discussing my experiences with friends and family now,
the question that keeps coming up is "why didn't you just walk away?"
I think like you, in the beginning I felt proud to be a part of a
group which purported to have strong altruistic beliefs and goals. As
time went on and I became further entrenched I found that fear,
isolation from the outside world and destitution played a large part
in keeping me there.
In February/March of this year I posted two articles giving a
testimonial which summarized a lot of what I experienced. I found it
very therapeutic. However, I don't think I am finished yet either, I
am working on writing a full account of my story too.
>
> More later...
>
I look forward to it
>Warrior
Regards,
Moira Hutchison
ARS' Whipping Boy
On Mon, 26 May 1997 lo...@this.com wrote:
> On 23 May 1997 17:38:56 -0700, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
>
> I have read with interest through all of the postings started by this
> article with great interest and understanding. Although my experience
> in the Cof S was not as long as your own, my actual involvement with
> the $cn technology spanned 12 years. I have found that only in the
> last 6 months I have been able to open up and discuss what I went
> through and what I have witnessed. My exposure to $cn took place in
> Scotland, England and LA. I really do appreciate reading others
> experiences and acknowledging the similarities in my own experiences.
> >
> > I have been involved with many churches in my lifetime.
> >
> Me too and you are right, I know I have never been lied to in the
> outrageous way as in the CofD
> >
> > I will never forget how astonished and disbelieving I was when payday
> >came after my first week as a staff member. I had worked approximately 48
> >hours my first week. My pay was $7.00... Granted, I was a newbie with much
> >to learn; but then I was earning about $120 - $150 per week managing a
> >restaurant for my day job which I put in an average of 40 - 50 hrs/wk.
> >At only $3.00 per hour, my day job wasn't making me rich either, but at
> >least I was able to work my schedule around my classes at the University,
> >and food was available to me at what it cost the restaurant owner. So I
> >was happy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moira Hutchison
>
Congratulations on coming out & recognizing the truth of your cultic
experience. You have alot to offer the world and I have no doubt
you will get some responses for your testimony. Best wishes.
Monica Pignotti
I never used mind control to deny personal responsibility -- that is
your twisted interpretation of what I wrote. I don't get from Warrior's
writings that he considers mind control "off the wall". He gives some
excellent examples of how it is used in the Cof$.
Monica Pignotti
Joe Harrington
Yes, he certainly does give some very REAL examples, not some fantasies.
Joe
Roland
Has the "mob" ever considered applying for religious atatus? It would
certainly help them. Protection money could then be regarded as fixed
donations. Shooting people and leaving a canary in their mouth could
then all be part of confessionals and ethics processes. If the Co$ has
got it I don't see why the mob can't have religious tax-exempt
status.
Future808
<SNIP>
The problem is that the "Church" of Scientology of California (where I
was
on staff in the Sea Org) had an "ally" in a public agency. This "ally" was
alerting Scientology when they were about to get an inspection from the
county.
This way the Scienos could handle their "Hill 10" or potential "shore
flap" by
taking steps to temporarily handle the illegalities (violations of health
codes
and other legal requirements).
One such method employed by Scientology was to put other staff into the
Cadet
Org temporarily. This was done by calling an "all hands". The result was
the
creation of an "apparent reality" that all was "OK" whenever the LA County
inspectors came around. Thus *major* "out-PR" was avoided.
I have a few internal issues that show how Scientology was able to
avoid
having their outnesses detected by employing an "ally" who was alerting
them
whenever they were about to receive an unexpected visit/inspection.
Some of the issues also have reports of crimes and criminality
*admitted*
and discussed by the Scientology organization itself.
I will gladly snail mail copies to a few ARSers. I guarantee the issues
are very revealing -- lots of quotes by Hubbard. And the best part is that
these issues I am referring to have *no* copyright notice on them!
Note to Scientology: I won't send you any copies since you already
have them!
Warrior
<end of snip>
Warrior, you hit it right on the head again. I had a girlfriend that
worked at the Cadet org in LA, and in fact I posted a story very similar
to yours a few months ago. Keep it up - the more times the same story is
told, the better it gets.
Mr. Ex-CMO
some...@some.isp.com
JimSpotlt wrote:
>
> I have been involved with many churches in my lifetime.
>
> (Christians) people learn, all organized religion is a sham, not just
> scientology.All the hate, biggotry, homophobia, wars etc., are are created
> by religion.Think for yourselves.Only you have the power to change to
> life, for the better or worse.Blaming others for your problems, does no
> good & only creates false hopes & fairytales.."God" is within in your
> heart & so is the Devil, which one you choose to expose, is up to you.I
> believe Earth contains Heaven & Earth, it's yours to create, but get over
> calling Scientology a scam, and realize, it's all (religion) a sham.Get
> over it.................
> Peace (an ex-Catholic & proud of it)
> JimS...@aol.com
That's as may be, but most organized religions that I've come in contact
with don't continuously drain money from their member's wallets, nor
require them to undergo bizarre and potentially dangerous
"purifications" nor do they viciously attack their detractors, nor do
they practice mind control (I realize the term "mind control" is under
hot debate right now, I'm just generalizing, okay?), nor do they take
complete and utter control of EVERY facet of a member's life. The list
of abuses goes on and on. Christianity/Buddhism/Islam/Hinduism & etc
may have their bad points, but at least they don't try and get away with
the crap that $cn does.
eric.
Phillip Zadarnowski
Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
[...]
> There is so much more that I could say, but the point I wanted to make
>is that the only church that ever lied to me was the "church" of Scientology.
>And that I was lied to over and over and over again through the almost 8
>years I was a Sea Org member. This post only deals with a few of the initial
>lies I was told in order to dupe me into signing a Sea Org contract.
>
> More later...
Yes, Lies. The Church of Lies and Money. Knowing how much money is
spent on lavish sites and the billion-plus dollars stashed in the
"Fight the World" war-chest, I'll always maintain that they fail
as a business, fail as a religion and fail to uphold 3 out of the
4 dynamics.
Yes, let's hear more. The stories from ex-SO people sound similar,
but the details make it so much more real to us.
JimSpotlt
I have been involved with many churches in my lifetime.
Well, there's your problem.There's no need to continue.When will you
lo...@this.com
On 26 May 1997 19:25:17 -0700, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>[posted only]
>
> Glad to hear from you. I have been receiving a *lot* of email. It seems
>that my postings touched a nerve with many former Scientologists, particularly
>former Sea Org members.
>
> I just grew tired of remaining silent on my experiences during my Sea Org
>years. I _had_ been afraid of speaking up! I realized that I was letting
>myself be intimidated into silence by the Scientologists. Recently I realized
>that my fears were keeping me a prisoner of my own mind. Had I done anything
>wrong to Scientology? I asked myself this question over and over during a span
>of *months*. The answer was and is always the same -- NO! So, why then was I
>fearing to speak up? I realized that Scientology still had a hold on my life
>and my mind.
>
> I left the Sea Org 13+ years ago! At that time I tried to just move on with
>my life and put the SO experience behind me. Perhaps I never dealt with it.
>
> What drew me to this newsgroup was the raid on Arnaldo Lerma. Late one night
>I was watching CNN Headline News when the report showed Lerma at his place. I
>remember thinking, "This is America!! *How* can a person be treated this way
>for simply telling the truth?!?!" I believed, as Arnie did, that since certain
>"upper level" materials had been entered into a court case, that it should be
>OK to reproduce it.
>
> So Scientology has themselves to assign "CAUSE" to for "pulling me in" to
>this newsgroup!
>
> Before I leave ARS, I will tell everything I know, everything I observed,
>everything I saw happen to others.
>
> I will state here and now that I am *definitely* a critic of Scientology.
>I do not believe that anyone or anything will ever stop some _individuals_ from
>believing in or practicing Scientology, any more than I expect the practice of
>Satanism to cease.
>
> What I definitely *do* hope to accomplish is to expose the actual practices
>of Scientology, especially its' lies, abuses, manipulations, and betrayals.
>
> I have grown *VERY* TIRED of Scientology's lies. And I intend to speak out
>against their madness.
>
>Warrior
>
Greetings!
Thanks for your response. I do totally understand where you are
coming from with your attitudes and decisions with regard to Scn.
I left the CofS 12 years ago. I did actually carry on with the
Bridge, completing OT1 - OT7 as well as the Ls. these were delivered
to me by a splinter group based in Scotland. I was completely
disillusioned with these levels, they did not empower, change or even
enhance my life.
I should explain here that the way that I left the CofS was with the
help of a Class IV org staff member (I was a Sea Org Missionaire).
Although he was pissed off with the politics and antics inside of the
CofS, he very firmly believed the Scn technology. I stayed in a
relationship with this guy for ten years. This is why I know I never
really was able to snap my head out of the Scn conditioning until the
last few years.
Like you, I am tired of carrying the knowledge of what happened to me
and what I witnessed. I do feel that Scn will never go away and I
don't think that is my reason for becoming involved with this
newsgroup. However, I feel that the bad practices and unjust
behaviour must come out in the open so that it does not continue.
You know, when I came out of the church, I was declared an SP and then
I fell extremely ill, I came very close to dying due to a misdiagnosis
by the doctor's attending to my health. You can imagine what that did
to my head. I was very scared and kept thinking, maybe there was
truth in what happens to a person who blows the CofS. I am happy to
say that I made a full recovery. However, I feel that I really am
only now coming to grips with the manipulative effect Scn had on my
psyche.
I actually wrote an account of my experiences for a lawyer in Britain
who is currently trying to prosecute a case against Scn on a pro bono
basis. Once this is over, I intend to make the statement public.
Stay in touch.
Moira Hutchison
Boudewijn van Ingen
On 27 May 1997 08:25:43 -0700, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
[Interesting announcement of revellations snipped]
Please make sure this material gets out to as wide a public as
possible, if it doesn't incriminate you personally.
We're only at the beginning of the information war with $cientology.
The media are still afraid of it, but given time (and the Internet)
more information will get out, so that will change. They will verify
it all (as we will try to do ourselves) and I'm sure that at some
point in time we'll be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
$cientology is not just a criminal cult (which has already been
established by a court of law), but *nothing but* a criminal cult.
When that becomes general knowledge and the media no longer fear any
discussion of the subject, we will have to find another cause to
pledge ourselves to. Until then -and it may take a while- let's all
share as much information as we can.
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
(Committed, it seems ;-) )
Tilman Hausherr
>I actually wrote an account of my experiences for a lawyer in Britain
>who is currently trying to prosecute a case against Scn on a pro bono
>basis. Once this is over, I intend to make the statement public.
This can take a decade. Ask your lawyer if he minds if court filings are
publicized. Putting your story on the net brings a tremendous pressure
on scientology.
--- Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.