Bring me the head of GEORGE LUCAS (Sp Ed Changes)
Mojo
I posted this to the Star Wars newsgroups and wanted to see what my
LightWave brothers and sisters (are there any?) thought; kind of as a
follow up to my old LastWord column.
I'm not even going to talk about the Greedo scene since I don't think
much else needs to be said about THAT abomination.
But...
How many of you caught THESE?
1. In TWO scenes on the Death Star, when our heroes (dressed as
Troopers) are shooting Imperial Guards, several frames have been cut
so we no longer see the lasers striking the officers. These are both
shots where you could see a burning hole in the actor's clothing, so I
assume Lucas felt these 2 scenes were just too 'violent.'
But I guess an arm lying on the floor is OK!
2. In Empire, after R2 has been shot out of the lake on Dagobah, Luke
cleans him off and ORIGINALLY said, "You're lucky you don't taste very
good." This has now been changed to "You're lucky you got outta
there."
I had to rack my brain to figure out WHY they would have changed this!
I finally realized that the new line creates the implication that R2
somehow managed to rocket *himself* out of the lake and removes any
idea that the robot was almost eaten by a swamp creature. So, what
was a mildly amusing moment has been castrated into a moment of no
consequence whatsoever. Three cheers for George, who doesn't want any
poor kiddy to be scared over what *almost* happened!
3. After Vader implores Luke (hanging on the gantry) to join the dark
side, Luke gets go and silently plummets down the chasm of Bespin. In
the 'special' edition, Luke now screams "AAAAaaaaaaaaa" all the way
down! I swear I though some joker in the theater was making the
scream until I realized it was added to the damn movie!!!
This proves that Lucas just hasn't got a clue anymore when it comes to
understanding dramatic action. The entire point of the scene is that
a calm, resiliant Luke decides that suicide is a better alternative to
joining Vader. He has made his decision and jumps off in defiance -
and now a screaming yelp completely destroys all of Luke's diginity
and ruins a brave moment.
4. At first I thought seeing the Wampa was cool, and I was especially
surprised that Lucas would include such a graphic shot of the creature
with his amputated arm - UNTIL I realized that it was there to remove
any possibility that Luke had *killed* the beast, which is exactly
what I had thought he had done in the original.
I grieve for STAR WARS fans everywhere and lament that our spiritual
father has lost his creative mind. It's hard to believe that this
once artistic visionary has turned into such a petty, self-censoring,
politically correct nerd.
The one special effects shot that's really missing is the one in which
George Lucas turned himself into a giant, 5-foot PUSSY!
With deep anger and resentment,
MOJO
Biggest Star Wars Fan Alive
Sam Marrocco
Mo...@foundation-i.com (Mojo) wrote:
>But...
Here's another one for you...
After the final Saber battle in Empire, as Vader heads for his Star
Destroyer from Cloud City, the original line Vader said was "Bring my
shuttle." Now he says "Have my Star Destroyer prepare for my arrival"
in a terribly re-dubbed voice.
Again, what was the point?
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"Real world stuff doesn't always follow the rules!"
Grace & Wild Digital Studios
marr...@mich.com
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Ice
Guys, I liked the movie, too. But I saw it at the Mann's Chinese
theater and I saw people with puppet Yodas strapped to their backs and
glowing light saber toys. There is a line that you can cross.
Uh, stop the madness. Let sleeping dogs lie.
W.
Jim Caldwell
I totally agree - but you didn't ask the most important question - Why is
old George continuing
to make the same films over again - so what if a couple of scenes were
added and others were
doctored with modern technology. George - make a new damn movie - we've
been waiting years
for Chapter 1!!!!!
Jim C.
Mojo <Mo...@foundation-i.com> wrote in article
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Mojo
"Jim Caldwell" <Jim_F_C...@msn.com> wrote:
>I totally agree - but you didn't ask the most important question - Why is
>old George continuing to make the same films over again - so what if a couple of scenes were
>added and others were doctored with modern technology. George - make a new damn movie - we've
>been waiting years for Chapter 1!!!!!
Actually, I don't fault him for this - he's very smart. With a total
investment of around 10 million, the re-release will earn him around
250 million - not a bad return! This money will pay for a nice chunk
of the new films and I applaud his business sense.
The REAL question is, after what we've seen in the 'Special Editions,'
is do we even WANT this guy in charge of the new movies???
I personally think Lucas has lost his calling as a creative force in
the film world and should leave that end of it to others (such as Joe
Johnston).
Of course, this will never happen and we're going to wind up with a
trilogy of films that only rival Return of the Jedi for pure dramatic
content.
MOJO
Chris Minshall
I too was very un-nerved by all of the various different "takes" of
scenes that were used in the Special Edition versions or simply cut
"short" as Mojo has alluded to! Why in the hell did this have to
happen? Inquiring minds would really like to know!!!
Chris Minshall
"One" of the Biggest Star Wars Fans Alive
Ice
Chris Minshall <he...@mizzou1.missouri.edu> wrote:
>I too was very un-nerved by all of the various different "takes" of
>scenes that were used in the Special Edition versions or simply cut
>"short" as Mojo has alluded to! Why in the hell did this have to
>happen? Inquiring minds would really like to know!!!
Because films are never finished. It's a living work of art. To many
people these works are sacred and shouldn't be touched, but to Mr.
Lucas, I'm sure all of these things have always bugged him. He never
liked the Mos Eisley scene in Star Wars and now had the chance to pump
it up with CGI to fix it. And though some of his attempts have been
kinda feeble (Greed scene), they were done with good intentions. I
guess he wanted to make Han less of a bad guy to shoot in self defense
(but boy, did that look stupid).
If you work in the cutting room you can tamper and tamper and tamper
with your work -- if you're actually making the film, you can have
quite a different perspective of what's going on. I only worked in
the industry for a year (and mainly in television, but features are
the same thing -- just more time and money) but watching the movie
from the filmmaker's point of view is completely different from the
fan's. Things could always be better. Another take would always be
welcome if the cast/crew had the time and patience and the producers
had the money to spend.
W.
David Lee
I agree with you mostly on your comments on Empire. I was a bit
disappointed, actually, with the movie. No brand-new footages (not
really, no new 'whole' sequences) as in A New Hope.
That scream was TERRIBLE. It changed the scene completely. I was
grimacing throughout the entire fall.
And yeah, I noticed the minor changes in dialog and I couldn't figure it
out either. Your explanations sounded plausible.
BTW... what's the name of that Star Wars newsgroup?
David Lee
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Stinkbug
Sorry about the SW post here....but being probably the second biggest fan
next to Mojo (I memorized ANH as a kid) I must comment.....
Mojo <Mo...@foundation-i.com> wrote in article
<5eskdk$m...@usenet79.supernews.com>...
> I'm not even going to talk about the Greedo scene since I don't think
> much else needs to be said about THAT abomination.
Yes..that seriously sucked. Han should have no scruples about throwing
dirt in someones eye if the opportunity presents itself (being a badass and
all). I almost cried in the theater.
>
> But...
>
> How many of you caught THESE?
>
> 1. In TWO scenes on the Death Star, when our heroes (dressed as
> Troopers) are shooting Imperial Guards, several frames have been cut
> so we no longer see the lasers striking the officers. These are both
> shots where you could see a burning hole in the actor's clothing, so I
> assume Lucas felt these 2 scenes were just too 'violent.'
> But I guess an arm lying on the floor is OK!
I *knew* they changed something here but I couldent put my finger on it!!
> 2. In Empire, after R2 has been shot out of the lake on Dagobah, Luke
> cleans him off and ORIGINALLY said, "You're lucky you don't taste very
> good." This has now been changed to "You're lucky you got outta
> there."
I did notice this and found myself scratching my head.....
>
> I had to rack my brain to figure out WHY they would have changed this!
> I finally realized that the new line creates the implication that R2
> somehow managed to rocket *himself* out of the lake and removes any
> idea that the robot was almost eaten by a swamp creature. So, what
> was a mildly amusing moment has been castrated into a moment of no
> consequence whatsoever. Three cheers for George, who doesn't want any
> poor kiddy to be scared over what *almost* happened!
> 3. After Vader implores Luke (hanging on the gantry) to join the dark
> side, Luke gets go and silently plummets down the chasm of Bespin. In
> the 'special' edition, Luke now screams "AAAAaaaaaaaaa" all the way
> down! I swear I though some joker in the theater was making the
> scream until I realized it was added to the damn movie!!!
This one is almost as bad as Greedo/Han .....maybe they thought that Luke
falling to his death silently would advocate suicide.
>
> This proves that Lucas just hasn't got a clue anymore when it comes to
> understanding dramatic action. The entire point of the scene is that
> a calm, resiliant Luke decides that suicide is a better alternative to
> joining Vader. He has made his decision and jumps off in defiance -
> and now a screaming yelp completely destroys all of Luke's diginity
> and ruins a brave moment.
Hear! Hear!
>
> 4. At first I thought seeing the Wampa was cool, and I was especially
> surprised that Lucas would include such a graphic shot of the creature
> with his amputated arm - UNTIL I realized that it was there to remove
> any possibility that Luke had *killed* the beast, which is exactly
> what I had thought he had done in the original.
>
> I grieve for STAR WARS fans everywhere and lament that our spiritual
> father has lost his creative mind. It's hard to believe that this
> once artistic visionary has turned into such a petty, self-censoring,
> politically correct nerd.
Yep. Hit the nail right on the head.
>
> The one special effects shot that's really missing is the one in which
> George Lucas turned himself into a giant, 5-foot PUSSY!
>
>
> With deep anger and resentment,
>
> MOJO
> Biggest Star Wars Fan Alive
AWWW GAWD! I can just see it now.....Ben will throw Anakin into that lava
pit and they wont even show it....ARRGHH!
Cant wait to see the screwups in Jedi (Leia will shead her skimpy cast iron
bra for some bulky CG sweaters in Jabba's palace)
Pat
PS Lightwave rulz....(just to keep it on topic)
Jim Caldwell
Mojo,
Consider this - maybe his business sense has overshadowed his dramatic
sense!
After all - if the films are all "politically correct" (although I can't
figure out why some of those
changes were made either!) - perhaps more people will buy tickets - more
money - more tie-in
marketing..... I'm afraid ole' George has become too much of a business
man - and I agree
with you completely.
BTW - going to miss your VTU columns!
Jim C.
Mojo <Mo...@foundation-i.com> wrote in article
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Ernie Wright
Mojo wrote:
> I grieve for STAR WARS fans everywhere and lament that our spiritual
> father has lost his creative mind. It's hard to believe that this
> once artistic visionary has turned into such a petty, self-censoring,
> politically correct nerd.
Y'know, two years ago, when the extent of the planned alterations wasn't
known, I could at least see Mojo's point, although I could never work up
much enthusiasm for it. It sounded like colorization.
Now that we know how small and arbitrary most of the changes were, does
any non-zealot believe this minor tinkering warrants vilifying Lucas?
I almost walked out of the theater in embarrassment twenty years ago when
"light-year" was used as a unit of time and "parsec" as a unit of speed.
Based on this alone, I could've told Mojo a long time ago that Lucas is
in all likelyhood oblivious to the details that Mojo is now investing
with so much importance.
- Ernie http://www.access.digex.net/~erniew
Robert Baldwin
If there's anything that Lucasfilm needs, it isn't money. Time reported
that the PepsiCo tie-in deal, which includes Pepsi, Frito-lay, Pizza Hut,
KFC, Taco Bell, and an assortment of other goodies, is worth 2 BILLION.
That's right, BILLION. With a 'B', billion.
Any film he could consider making could be made, regardless of the
technology. Just sheer cash throwing could probably get a smaller country's
space program to actually launch a couple of starfighters just so he could
blow them up.
(Athough I think we're in for a big dissappointment when we actually see
something blow up in space - no trendy vertical shock rings of fire...but I
could be wrong)
I'm not a fan of all of the shots they've changed, but heer's how I veiw
it:
New stuff + Fixed Stuff = Missed Stuff + Cheesed Stuff -> so that's a wash.
New Prints + Big Screens + Great Sound + Good Friends + 20 Years =Big time
happy camper
I was six when it came out, and I absolutely LOVE these films, but I the
comraderie that I get going with 100 of my fellow industry friends in a
newly built, packed theatre was not there in 1977. I'm 20 years older, and
these films are family members, but seing them in a positive group
environment can't be anything but good.
But I agree, they cheesed some shots in both films so far, and the Disney
dance number in Jedi looks like it will be *wonderful*. ; )
-rob
The Bigger Biggest Star Wars Fan Alive
Jim Caldwell <Jim_F_C...@msn.com> wrote in article
<01bc236c$d33c0f20$5497...@73445.1633.compuserve.com>...
J. Eric Chard
Ernie Wright wrote:
>
> Mojo wrote:
>
> > I grieve for STAR WARS fans everywhere and lament that our spiritual
> > father has lost his creative mind. It's hard to believe that this
> > once artistic visionary has turned into such a petty, self-censoring,
> > politically correct nerd.
>
> Y'know, two years ago, when the extent of the planned alterations wasn't
> known, I could at least see Mojo's point, although I could never work up
> much enthusiasm for it. It sounded like colorization.
>
> Now that we know how small and arbitrary most of the changes were, does
> any non-zealot believe this minor tinkering warrants vilifying Lucas?
Gotta disagree with you, Ernie: adding a scream to Luke's fall changes
the entire dramatic dynamic there, and not for the better. I can't
imagine what they were thinking.
At the very least, Lucas is showing bad judgement.
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Saleem Ghulam
I can understand Lucas wanting to re-release the films in their
revamped look but tinkering with the dialogue is taking it a bit too
far.
He should be content that he made the films and that they were a
success and confine them to movie history and MOVE ON.
saleem
Ernie Wright
J. Eric Chard wrote:
> Gotta disagree with you, Ernie: adding a scream to Luke's fall changes
> the entire dramatic dynamic there, and not for the better.
It's a change, but I don't think the old way made much sense, either. It
implied that at that moment Luke had achieved an Obiwan-like serenity, but
that's wholly inconsistent with his character both before and after.
SW fans have had 20 years to rationalize every frame of the films. They
*invented* the significance they see in this scene. If Lucas himself had
given much weight to the way it played originally, he wouldn't have made
the change.
My four-year-old has committed a lot of her favorite books to memory, so
that when I read them to her, I'm not allowed to change a single word.
She's even sufficiently articulate to explain to me *why* certain words
can't be changed. Several interesting conversations have started this
way.
Fans should be grateful that they now have two versions to compare--after
20 years, they have a chance to discover something new. That's better
than calling your hero a giant female body part just because he wants to
read the story to you in a slightly different way.
- Ernie http://www.access.digex.net/~erniew
J. Eric Chard
Ernie Wright wrote:
>
> J. Eric Chard wrote:
>
> > Gotta disagree with you, Ernie: adding a scream to Luke's fall changes
> > the entire dramatic dynamic there, and not for the better.
>
> It's a change, but I don't think the old way made much sense, either. It
> implied that at that moment Luke had achieved an Obiwan-like serenity, but
> that's wholly inconsistent with his character both before and after.
>
> SW fans have had 20 years to rationalize every frame of the films.
Well, here's MY rationalization. (I'm no fanatic: only seen it maybe 3
times total)
Luke is given the choice to join the Dark Side or die. He makes a
conscious decision, as millions have in the past, that dying is better.
Therefore, falling is HIS decision, no accident, and hence no reason to
scream.
That was my impression the FIRST time I saw it. I always thought the
silent fall was great: one of the better, more mature moments.
Now, screaming AFTER he realizes he isn't (necessarily) going to die,
after the hatch opens in the lower, horizontal portion of the tube,
would be fine.
> They
> *invented* the significance they see in this scene. If Lucas himself had
> given much weight to the way it played originally, he wouldn't have made
> the change.
I think he's second guessing himself there, after his creative juices
have dried up.
>
> My four-year-old has committed a lot of her favorite books to memory, so
> that when I read them to her, I'm not allowed to change a single word.
> She's even sufficiently articulate to explain to me *why* certain words
> can't be changed. Several interesting conversations have started this
> way.
She knows semiotic theory, I see. <g>
> - Ernie http://www.access.digex.net/~erniew
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david goerndt
First of all, listening to interview with Lucas give a certain clarity
to his motives regarding the updated films.
Second, he considers his films works in progress, and they are HIS films
ahd if he wanted to put Darth in a diaper waving a pink dildo, that
would be his right(although he would probably have to leave the planet).
Updating films with new dialog and new scenes will always change the
meaning for some and not at all for others (Look at all the directors'
cut films out there).
Now, you are claiming he has lost his creative juices by changing the
holy of holies much to the dismay of screaming adolescents and post
adolescents. Only one thing more to say, Get over it, its only a movie!
Jeff Haynie
david goerndt wrote:
>
> First of all, listening to interview with Lucas give a certain clarity
> to his motives regarding the updated films.
> Second, he considers his films works in progress, and they are HIS films
> ahd if he wanted to put Darth in a diaper waving a pink dildo, that
> would be his right(although he would probably have to leave the
Brrrrrrrrrrrrr.... (Full body shiver), I don't know if I'll be able to
sleep tonight. Man what a frightening visual. Why Mr. Vader is that an
Energizer Bunny rabbit under your cloak or are you just glad to see us?
Jeff Haynie
Wayne S. Williams
Here's an idea,
I think he changed the things he changed, so that the earlier version
would become more valuable in the "collectors market". It's all a
matter of marketing anyway, and what is more valuable than something
rare. Sure, the world is saturated, now, with millions of copies of the
first version, but I would imagine that from this point forward the only
dubs produced will be from the Special Edition release. Eventually
Ver.1 tapes will fade out and die away, (video tape does have a finite
life span...), and 50 years from now, while they're still dubbing Ver. 2
for the public, the guy whose got a Laser disk, or a tape that's been
kept in a cool, dry, dust free chamber all those years, will probably be
able to get a good piece of change for his copy. Can't you hear them
talking...
"What do you mean he doesn't scream when he falls....wait a
minute...do you see the significance of that...my god, he really
wasn't afraid to die, his character is so much more powerful
now...
I'll give you $1000, I've gotta' have that copy."
It could happen.
And even if George didn't plan it, I would suggest hanging on to that
original; all this this may come to pass.
Just a thought....
3D Wayne / CyLum 3D Imaging
_________________________________________________
http://www.gate.net/~dddwayne
J. Eric Chard
david goerndt wrote:
>
> First of all, listening to interview with Lucas give a certain clarity
> to his motives regarding the updated films.
> Second, he considers his films works in progress, and they are HIS films
> ahd if he wanted to put Darth in a diaper waving a pink dildo, that
...very very kUuL!
Ken Mayfield
I'd be happy to create as great work with my talents and Lightwave.
Actually, my take on the Skywalker scream thing is thus: I remember
thinking that Luke falling without a scream seemed absolutely fake, as
it *was* an awfully deep chasm and I think that there is a certain
primal terror involved in falling great hieghts (Imagine 1500 feet
without a parachute - I can imagine 3500 feet *with* a parachute). When
I heard the scream I likewise thought it was someone in the theatre, but
I reponded to the scene more. I think it's better with the addition, as
Luke is presented more realistically. Being 20 years older now, I
welcome the new depth.
Han always struck me as someone who acts like a badass because he has
to, given his company. He responds to the honesty and integrity of Luke
and Leia, perhaps doesn't like it, but none the less begins to feel an
almost familial connection. A dude actin' bad but has a heart of gold.
Reminds me of Shane :)
Better Biggest Big Fan alive,
Ken.
> > J. Eric Chard wrote:
> >
> > > Gotta disagree with you, Ernie: adding a scream to Luke's fall changes
> > > the entire dramatic dynamic there, and not for the better.
> >
Tim Trumble
Mojo wrote:
>
> I posted this to the Star Wars newsgroups and wanted to see what my
> LightWave brothers and sisters (are there any?) thought; kind of as a
> follow up to my old LastWord column.
>
> much else needs to be said about THAT abomination.
>
>
Please pay your respects to the GODFATHER of digital effects. George
Lucas is a living legend. He has given all of us incredible gifts. May
the force be with him forever.
Tim.
SW fan & Lucas devotee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ratb...@aol.com
>4. At first I thought seeing the Wampa was cool, and I was especially
>surprised that Lucas would include such a graphic shot of the creature
>with his amputated arm - UNTIL I realized that it was there to remove
>any possibility that Luke had *killed* the beast, which is exactly
>what I had thought he had done in the original.
On the other hand, it's impressively cruel to leave a predator alive but missing one limb. The poor thing will have a much harder time hunting, and'll probably starve... all alone on the ice... poooooor wampa.
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david goerndt wrote:
>
> First of all, listening to interview with Lucas give a certain clarity
> to his motives regarding the updated films.
> Second, he considers his films works in progress, and they are HIS films
> ahd if he wanted to put Darth in a diaper waving a pink dildo, that
> Updating films with new dialog and new scenes will always change the
> meaning for some and not at all for others (Look at all the directors'
> cut films out there).
> Now, you are claiming he has lost his creative juices by changing the
> holy of holies much to the dismay of screaming adolescents and post
> adolescents. Only one thing more to say, Get over it, its only a movie!
The problem here is "updating" a film. How many films did Alfred
Hitchcock or Frank Capra or John Ford "update." Once a work of art is
public, it belongs to the public. I can't imagine Picasso storming into
the Louvre(if that's where it is) and saying, I just want to change a
few things on "Les Damoiselles d'Avignon." Absurd, and it begs for
attacks. Just make some new films George.
Paul
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Frankl
Chuck Baker
On 26-Feb-97 02:43:44, Stinkbug (pa...@admin.athabascau.ca) in
comp.graphics.apps.lightwave, re: <Re: Bring me the head of GEORGE LUCAS
(Sp Ed Changes)> said:
>Mojo <Mo...@foundation-i.com> wrote in article
><5eskdk$m...@usenet79.supernews.com>...
>> 3. After Vader implores Luke (hanging on the gantry) to join the dark
>> side, Luke gets go and silently plummets down the chasm of Bespin. In
>> the 'special' edition, Luke now screams "AAAAaaaaaaaaa" all the way
>> down! I swear I though some joker in the theater was making the
>> scream until I realized it was added to the damn movie!!!
>This one is almost as bad as Greedo/Han .....maybe they thought that Luke
>falling to his death silently would advocate suicide.
>
>>
>> This proves that Lucas just hasn't got a clue anymore when it comes to
>> understanding dramatic action. The entire point of the scene is that
>> a calm, resiliant Luke decides that suicide is a better alternative to
>> joining Vader. He has made his decision and jumps off in defiance -
>> and now a screaming yelp completely destroys all of Luke's diginity
>> and ruins a brave moment.
>Hear! Hear!
What? I never got out of that scene that Luke intended to die. He
demonstrated some ability to propel himself with the Force earlier in the
fight. He takes a good look around before pushing off the spar. He's
taking a great leap of faith, but he has a plan in mind, not a suicide.
I think you gentleman are incorrect about what Luke decided to do; but
absolutely right that adding the scream was complete nonsense.
>>
>> 4. At first I thought seeing the Wampa was cool, and I was especially
>> surprised that Lucas would include such a graphic shot of the creature
>> with his amputated arm - UNTIL I realized that it was there to remove
>> any possibility that Luke had *killed* the beast, which is exactly
>> what I had thought he had done in the original.
>>
>> I grieve for STAR WARS fans everywhere and lament that our spiritual
>> father has lost his creative mind. It's hard to believe that this
>> once artistic visionary has turned into such a petty, self-censoring,
>> politically correct nerd.
>Yep. Hit the nail right on the head.
>>
How long do you figure a one-armed Wampa is likely to last? And will they
do a movie in which Han, accused of murdering Leia, flees for his life, in
search of the one-armed Wampa he saw at the scene of the crime?
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In article <01bc236c$d33c0f20$5497...@73445.1633.compuserve.com>,
Jim_F_C...@msn.com (Jim Caldwell) wrote:
> Mojo,
> Consider this - maybe his business sense has overshadowed his
dramatic
> sense!
> After all - if the films are all "politically correct" (although I can't
> figure out why some of those
> changes were made either!) - perhaps more people will buy tickets - more
> money - more tie-in
> marketing..... I'm afraid ole' George has become too much of a business
> man - and I agree
> with you completely.
> BTW - going to miss your VTU columns!
>
> Jim C.
I think the point isn't about ticket sales, I think it's about video
sales. Think about it.
ttfn
Phil
Tim Trumble
Ken Geary
>
> How long do you figure a one-armed Wampa is likely to last? And will they
> do a movie in which Han, accused of murdering Leia, flees for his life, in
> search of the one-armed Wampa he saw at the scene of the crime?
>
> ======================================================================
> Chuck Baker -- NewTek, Inc., Technical Support ch...@newtek.com
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It'll be called....The Futuretive (sorry)
Danger wil
I think all of you have completely missed the point. George Lucas only
ever did one great science fiction movie. It was called Star Wars. If
this is all he ever did we would have to still be thanking him. This was
the first true "High Fantasy" movie to ever pull it off.
No one has done it since. Dune, Conan, Legend weak. Can you name a really
great, thinkers movie in the last 25 years?
He didn't write ESB Leigh Brackett did, I'm quite sure that all he did was
give a detailed plot synopis. Unfortunately Leigh died before the
screenplay was finished.
Ever wonder why you liked Return, but somehow thought that it could have
been better? Any hack writer could have put that story together
considering the materila they had to draw from.
What am I getting at? If they only good thing that GL ever did was the
original SW then I say enough already. It more than makes up for any
mistakes he has made since.
Thye are his toy's and he is entitled to play with them any way he wants.
But the scream still sucks.
Bill, asbestos suit ready.
Mark Clarkson
> On the other hand, it's impressively cruel to leave a predator alive
>but missing one limb. The poor thing will have a much harder time
>hunting, and'll probably starve... all alone on the ice... poooooor
>wampa.
My Daddy always taught me: You wing 'em, you hunt 'em down and kill 'em.
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J. Eric Chard
Danger wil wrote:
>
> I think all of you have completely missed the point. George Lucas only
> ever did one great science fiction movie. It was called Star Wars. If
> this is all he ever did we would have to still be thanking him. This was
> the first true "High Fantasy" movie to ever pull it off.
>
> No one has done it since. Dune, Conan, Legend weak. Can you name a really
> great, thinkers movie in the last 25 years?
How old is "Blade Runner"?
"City of Lost Children"?
I wonder if anybody could do Greg Bear's work justice......
Paul Oberlander
Danger wil wrote:
>
> I think all of you have completely missed the point. George Lucas only
> ever did one great science fiction movie. It was called Star Wars. If
> this is all he ever did we would have to still be thanking him. This was
> the first true "High Fantasy" movie to ever pull it off.
>
> No one has done it since. Dune, Conan, Legend weak. Can you name a really
Blade Runner, Terminator, Alien, Aliens, need I say more....
> Bill, asbestos suit ready.
Paul Oberlander
J. Eric Chard
Tim Nassauer wrote:
>
> In article <19970301050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
> dang...@aol.com (Danger wil) wrote:
>
> > No one has done it since. Dune, Conan, Legend weak. Can you name a really
>
> the outstanding story. Creepy as all hell. Best sci-fi based horror
> film in recent (and not-so-recent) memory
>
> -Tim
Made me coin the expression "aerobic movie-watching".
--
Adam Schimpf
Paul Oberlander wrote:
>
> Danger wil wrote:
> >
> > I think all of you have completely missed the point. George Lucas only
> > ever did one great science fiction movie. It was called Star Wars. If
> > this is all he ever did we would have to still be thanking him. This was
> > the first true "High Fantasy" movie to ever pull it off.
> >
>
Whoah, I may be wrong but did someone just put Blade Runner, Terminator,
Alien, and Aliens on the same level AND in the same category as STAR
WARS!! They're all supsense or action films...didn't he say "High
Fantasy"?
GregNym
First of all, I'm sure Mojo was predisposed to disliking the new edition
Star Wars films given his rant in VTU when the idea was first announced.
Yes, the scene with Greedo in Star Wars was clumsy and Luke's scream in
Empire was unnecessary. But, I did like the scene with Jabba; it made
Han's sacrifice at the end of the film more meaningful. I liked the scene
of the Millenium Falcon taking off from Mos Eisley; more exciting and
dynamic than the original. I liked the fly-through of Cloud City; made it
seem like more of a city than a of couple rooms and corridors.
Da Vinci was doing minor touch-ups to the Mona Lisa for 20 years up until
his death. If George Lucas wants to keep tinkering with his movies, I say
go for it. If I don't like what he's done, I've always got the originals
on video that I can watch.
Greg
Jean-Eric Henault
> Whoah, I may be wrong but did someone just put Blade Runner, Terminator,
> Alien, and Aliens on the same level AND in the same category as STAR
> WARS!! They're all supsense or action films...didn't he say "High
> Fantasy"?
I don't know. A flesh-eating creature like the one in Alien, a
Liquid-metal robot that kills everything it touches and artificial
humans... That does sound like fantasy to me... ;-) Unless you met one
of these fellows in real-life before...
Jean-Eric
Glenn Saunders
The mortal Paul Oberlander wrote:
: Blade Runner, Terminator, Alien, Aliens, need I say more....
None of these are romantic action fantasies.
Paul Oberlander
The only thing missing is romantic(which takes no intense special
effects), which I disagree with in BR, it has romance...
They are both action fantasies.
Paul
Paul Oberlander
Neteru wrote:
>
> "I came across time for you Sarah. I love you."
> Kyle Reese
> Terminator NOT a romantic action fantasy!!! Are you out of your
> MIND!!!!!!!
> I'm still of the opinion that Terminator is the second best film of
> all time folling Citizen Cane, and right above Seven Samuria!!!!
>
I forgot that part...
Wayne S. Williams
Wayne S. Williams wrote:
>
> Glenn Saunders wrote:
> >
> > The mortal Paul Oberlander wrote:
> > : Blade Runner, Terminator, Alien, Aliens, need I say more....
> >
> > None of these are romantic action fantasies.
>
> even came close to that of Decker and Rachel in Blade Runner?!
>
> 3D Wayne / CyLum 3D Imaging
> __________________________________________
Opps...make that "Deckard" and "Rachael"..... Geez, I'm right in the
middle of reading "Future Noir, the Making of Blade Runner", too. (What
a great book...and what a troubled man the author Philip K. Dick was...)
Wayne
Wayne S. Williams
Neteru
"I came across time for you Sarah. I love you."
Kyle Reese
Terminator NOT a romantic action fantasy!!! Are you out of your
MIND!!!!!!!
I'm still of the opinion that Terminator is the second best film of
all time folling Citizen Cane, and right above Seven Samuria!!!!
Paul Oberlander <obr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Glenn Saunders wrote:
>>
>> The mortal Paul Oberlander wrote:
>> : Blade Runner, Terminator, Alien, Aliens, need I say more....
>>
>> None of these are romantic action fantasies.
>The only thing missing is romantic(which takes no intense special
>effects), which I disagree with in BR, it has romance...
>They are both action fantasies.
>Paul
J. Eric Chard
> Neteru wrote:
> >
> > "I came across time for you Sarah. I love you."
> > Kyle Reese
> > Terminator NOT a romantic action fantasy!!! Are you out of your
> > MIND!!!!!!!
> > I'm still of the opinion that Terminator is the second best film of
> > all time folling Citizen Cane, and right above Seven Samuria!!!!
Certainly Cameron always adheres closely to his form, which is one of
his strengths. "Terminator" is so pure in story line, it shows up most
SF film for what it is: lame junk.
Radiobyfm9
Come on gang!
The Star Wars Special Edition Trilogy bashing is getting BORING! I myself
love to see it all on the Big Screen again, (since i was like 6 years old
1st 4 times i saw Star Wars in the theater) The THX sound just plain
KICKS ASS and the Big Screen certainly rivals my 25" at home. I can't
wait for the IMAX remastering. (i can hope, right?)
Anyway, IMHO getting those cool Yodas from Taco Bell is the coolest thing
that came about the re-releases anyway.
If you don't like it, go Flame yourself
Danger wil
Certainly this gropup is the wrong place for this dicussion but......
The cooler R2 D2's are the coolest merchandise EVER.
Bill
I might just have to hold up a gas station to get one!