CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX
Guy Peleg
I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent
and temporary) using :
$ CREATE/MAILBOX
$ DELETE/MAILBOX
I would like to offer field test images for:
Alpha V7.3-1 & V7.3-2
Vax V7.3
If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me
your e-mail address. (do not reply here)
Please be aware that these images are not officially supported and you may
only complain about them to me and not
to your local support center. Images will be distributed in ZIP files.
The new functionality will be shipped with V8.2
Regards,
Guy Peleg.
Jerry Alan Braga
"Guy Peleg" <guy....@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message
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Hans Vlems
if hobbyist users are also included in the invitation then I'd be interested
in a VAX/VMS V7.3 kit.
My Alpha's run V7.3 only.
Happy New Year!
Hans Vlems
hvl...@zonnet.nl
"Guy Peleg" <guy....@hp.com_remove_this> schreef in bericht
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Larry Kilgallen
<top posting corrected>
> "Guy Peleg" <guy....@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message
> news:5TeKb.11529$fu7....@news.cpqcorp.net...
>> If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me
>> your e-mail address. (do not reply here)
<top posting corrected>
> yes I would be jab...@flanagan.ca
Perhaps if people (two, so far) did not top-post, they would more
carefully read Guy's gracious attempt to keep the newsgroup free
of clutter.
Didier Morandi
they are interested to read the answer to the question, without having to scroll
down the question they just read the click before to reach the answer.
Also, your answer should have read:
--- start ---
Guy said: "If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me
your e-mail address. (do not reply here)"
So, please, Jerry, try to read a post before answering".
--- end ---
Happy New Year
D.
Hans Vlems
"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilg...@SpamCop.net> schreef in bericht
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Umm, top posting is not a religion. That aside, I copied an email directly
to Guy at the same time so the topposting was actually for his convenience.
Sometimes it does serve a purpose. And yes, Guy does send answers pretty
quickly.
So what are you complaining about?
Larry Kilgallen
> Larry, you perfectly know that 90% of the readers prefer top posting
I know no such thing.
But aside from the illogic of top-posting (compared to careful
trimming and inline posting), I do know that 90% of computer
users prefer Microsoft:-)
Larry Kilgallen
>
> "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilg...@SpamCop.net> schreef in bericht
> news:dp8mWh...@eisner.encompasserve.org...
>> carefully read Guy's gracious attempt to keep the newsgroup free
>> of clutter.
> So what are you complaining about?
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
>Happy new year everyone.
Same to you.
>I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent
>and temporary) using :
>
>$ CREATE/MAILBOX
>$ DELETE/MAILBOX
You made my day. Thanks a lot.
--
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail pe...@langstoeger.at
A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
>they are interested to read the answer to the question, without having to scroll
>down the question they just read the click before to reach the answer.
90% ? I do think the opposite. Who is right ?
Don't tell it is M$ (Mega$hit)...
90% of the readers of detective novels read the last page first
(to know who the bad guy is). Do you agree ?
JF Mezei
> $ CREATE/MAILBOX
> $ DELETE/MAILBOX
Wow ! If you've already started to do this, does this mean that you've already
finished implementing floating point support ? :-) :-)
Does the CREAT/MAILBOX have a /BUFFER= qualifier ? Can it create a logical
name that points to the created mailbox ?
Since most hobbyists would be at 7.2, providing an image for 7.2 might yield
many more beta testers than for 7.3
JF Mezei
> Larry, you perfectly know that 90% of the readers prefer top posting because
> they are interested to read the answer to the question, without having to scroll
> down the question they just read the click before to reach the answer.
99% of the readers prefer to have a SHORT context at the top followed by the
answer below. You want to set the context BEFORE you read the answer.
The issue isn't top posting, it is making sure people learn to include only
the necessary quote.
If you include just a couple of lines, you do not need to "scroll down to see
the answer".
I find it extremely surprising that folks on comp.os.vms, who should normally
have lots of experience with the net and not be windows weenies wouldn't know
these very basic things about usenet and/or email.
BTW, if you read up the original NNTP RFCs you'll notice that VMS figures
prominently in the text.
BAH
The one I hacked together years ago does...:-) Get it from
http://members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/dclmbx.zip
I've not put it around much as by any standards it's rubbish.
It does have one redeeming feature though. It works or at least
it does at the site where I did it - it's still in use. Sighhhh
yesterdays hack is todays legacy solution...
There's no doco but a look at the files concerned should reveal all.
It even still works under something more recent...:-)
--
BAH Humbug
Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr
>
>I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent
>and temporary) using :
>
>$ CREATE/MAILBOX
>$ DELETE/MAILBOX
>
I don't need this at present (or any time soon, almost regrettably) but I
still think it's very cool, and fills a long-felt gap.
Thanks, Guy!
-- Alan
--
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Alan Winston --- WIN...@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056
Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025
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Guy Peleg
/PERMANENT
/TEMPORARY ! If omitted, temporary is used
/MESSAGE_SIZE
/BUFFER_SIZE
/PROTECTION
/LOG
I'm not sure about V7.2 image. If backporting the code won't be too much
trouble...then you ever know.
Guy
"JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@istop.com> wrote in message
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Guy Peleg
WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a
mailbox without waiting
for a reader.
Guy
"Guy Peleg" <guy....@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message
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sol gongola
When I follow a news thread, I already know the pertinent prior contents.
I only want to see the latest information in my view window without having
to scroll.
Viewing only the latest message, you really do not know what is going on.
The latest message is NOT always the most important message and information
is often clipped out and the 'clipper' might have eliminated something
useful.
If you are using google, it can be worse. When viewing a thread of message,
many long ones are truncated with a clickable to see the whole message.
I would like a news reader that optionally displays messages starting
at the bottom. Or better yet, it can 'know' what is newest and only show
that with the rest hidden but expandable like the little 'plus box' in
the mozilla news reader that lets you switch between seeing headers
and just seeing the subject line.
sol gongola
Alan Frisbie
> I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent
> and temporary) using :
>
> $ CREATE/MAILBOX
> $ DELETE/MAILBOX
Guy, I really appreciate the work you are doing on DCL. I only
wish you had done this three years ago when I really needed it. :-)
I especially like the way you toss out ideas for discussion and
accept ideas from the group. You can't do what everyone wants,
but at least we know that you listened to us.
Thanks,
Alan
JF Mezei
> WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a
> mailbox without waiting
> for a reader.
What would be really nice if if one could CTRL-Y out of a READ (from mailbox)
and have it work. As it stands, the only safe way is to get onto another
terminal and open that mailbox and send a "hello world" message to it so that
the first process can complete its read.
JF Mezei
> When I follow a news thread, I already know the pertinent prior contents.
Not everyone has the posts sorted by message order, many have it in order that
messages have been received. It is common practice and good civic behaviour to
include a FEW lines to set the context.
> If you are using google, it can be worse. When viewing a thread of message,
> many long ones are truncated with a clickable to see the whole message.
The problem is that top posters have no motivation to clip the quoted contents
which they don't care about because it is below.
There are two issues here. One of where to put the quotes, and one about
including only the relevant text of the quote. The failure is often that
people quote the whole message over and over.
Some news clients used to be smart enough to warn a user if there is more
quoted material than new material in a post. But then came Microsoft who made
damned sure that they didn't follow established civic behaviour and not only
top posted, but included the whole contents. In a discussion, they each
message grows because it contains all previous messages.
David J. Dachtera
>
> Logical name is required. Here is the list of supported qualifiers
>
> /PERMANENT
Requires PRMMBX priv., eh?
> /TEMPORARY ! If omitted, temporary is used
Question: if temporary, who holds the channel open that makes it stick
around?
> /MESSAGE_SIZE
>
> /BUFFER_SIZE
>
> /PROTECTION
>
> /LOG
Is /NOLOG the default?
Also, how 'bout /TABLE=table_name to modify the target table of the LNM?
(with an appropriate default, of course).
> I'm not sure about V7.2 image. If backporting the code won't be too much
> trouble...then you ever know.
What "back-port", unless you're doing this as cliroutines instead of
IMAGEs? (...which would answer the /TEMPORARY question above.)
Here's some code folks can use as an example of external images with
.CLDs for the modified verbs:
http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/vmspipe.zip
I don't believe there's any copyright in there, but if you look closely
you'll see that I hacked up some MACRO/32 code from SYS$EXAMPLES many
years ago and combined it with another example or two I downloaded from
the VAXforum on CompuServe.
--
David J. Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/
Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
David J. Dachtera
>
> BTW....
>
> WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a
> mailbox without waiting
> for a reader.
BRAVO!!! Three Cheers and a Tiger for Guy!!!
David J. Dachtera
"Safe"? Well, if the READ can handle an EOF, OPEN and CLOSE from another
process will work, also. It results in the READ terminating in an EOF
condition. I've even used that to free processes wedged in MWAIT on a
mailbox read.
Guy Peleg
> >
> > /PERMANENT
>
> Requires PRMMBX priv., eh?
Yes, /PERMANENT requires the PRMMBX priv.
>
> > /TEMPORARY ! If omitted, temporary is used
>
> Question: if temporary, who holds the channel open that makes it stick
> around?
Create/MAILBOX is implemented in CREATE.EXE, to keep the channel alive when
we rundown CREATE,
we assign a supervisor mode channel to the mailbox
>
> > /MESSAGE_SIZE
> >
> > /BUFFER_SIZE
> >
> > /PROTECTION
> >
> > /LOG
>
> Is /NOLOG the default?
>
/NOLOG is the default
> Also, how 'bout /TABLE=table_name to modify the target table of the LNM?
> (with an appropriate default, of course).
Good idea !
JF Mezei
> Create/MAILBOX is implemented in CREATE.EXE, to keep the channel alive when
> we rundown CREATE,
> we assign a supervisor mode channel to the mailbox
Perhaps you could have dome CREATE/MAILBOX/OPEN logical_name where
"logical_name" would be something you could use with the READ/WRITE dcl
statements without an intermediate OPEN ?
Then, you could use "CLOSE" and it woudl deassign the channel automatically. ?
Guy Peleg
I'll have to think about it. While it makes sense, it is not as easy as it
sounds.....