White Rappers
BigBaz
hill. but the question is, can they really rap? Do they have any sort
of distinct style? Are they biting off of African American culture? All
responses are welcome regarding white rappers.
BREw
BREw
bru
good as well as old school Beastie stuff. Coolio was right, it doesn't
really matter if you're black or white. If your're part of the hip-hop
culture then you're down. Take for example some of my friends, a lot of
them are not black and they're into it more than I am. They are not what
you call wannabes, they know who they are and at the same time appreciate
and love rap. Let's be real, if you enjoy listening to a certain type of
music, don't you have credibility? And if you have credibility, can't you
go out and make a name for yourself in the biz? From my standpoint there
is NO PROBLEM with white rappaz as long as they realize and acknowledge
the tradition of rap is rooted in African American urban culture. They
just may add a new diemention to this bomb we call rap. I don't think we
have to worry about the same thing happening to rap as it did to rock
n'roll fellas. Peace.
-bru
p.s. Kentucky is gonna take it all.
landsend
>responses are welcome regarding white rappers.
S'up.. I'm white... and the other 6 members of my group (Tha BAS-tards)...
Our new album "Punnamania" is pretty hot on our campus... E-Mail me for info
on Tha BAS-tards.
"Phil"
Roger Caldwell
are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
Weezy
What about Milkbone? he was allright.
Mista Rogers
>
> Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of pain,they
> are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
i got some news for ya...IRISH PEOPLE ARE WHITE!
mista rogers
--
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood
could you be mine, would you be mine?
won't YOU be my neighbor?
Ronald Washington
>There's the Beastie Boys and House of pain and that Mugg bloke in cypress
>hill. but the question is, can they really rap? Do they have any sort
>of distinct style? Are they biting off of African American culture? All
>responses are welcome regarding white rappers.
Have you heard of Run-B? They're a hardcore East Coast act, with
three white rappers, but their shit is phat. They're blowin up the CT
with dope lyrics and shit. Their new album is called "Puddin it
Down", and if you look, you should be able to find it. If anything,
they show that white guys can flow.
CYKICK ONE
aren't any. As far as white rappers trying to copy stlyes ... Never...it
couldn't happen...AHHHH but if they were to come out with some respectable
shit, would they play it on BET?
Is it because they can't kick the beats or is it the Lyrics...Or
maybe it's 'cause they just ain't Black...
Can ya see the future?
Revolution 2003.
Peace.
CyKICK ONE.
Yan Issers
Caldwell) writes:
>
>Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of
pain,they
>are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
>
so much, second Irish people are white, or, if you want to be
technical, Caucasian.
B
>
> Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of pain,they
> are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
House of Pain aren't from Ireland. They're from LA. So basically they
are white. Just because they are Irish-American doesn't mean they
aren't white. House of Pain is also a very good rap group. Lyrically
they could stay with most of the rappers in the biz today.
I know nobody gives the Beastie Boys any credit anylonger in the rap
community, but they were and still are talented rappers. Everyone was
on their dick when their first album came out and after they started
playing some hardcore and alternative sounding shit on their past few
albums nobody wants to recognize them anylonger.
If you listen to "Sure Shot" from their last album it is probably their
best rap song lyrically since their first album. Their next allbum
which should include some tracks with the members of the WU should put
them back in the rap picture, I just hope they can the alternative and
punk shit.
B
"I did it like this.
I did it like that.
I did it with the wiffle ball bat!"
Adrock of the Beastie Boys
"Paul Revere"
Quiz
>In <4jcem4$f...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> VYL...@prodigy.com (Roger
>Caldwell) writes:
>>
>pain,they
>>are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
>>
>so much, second Irish people are white, or, if you want to be
>technical, Caucasian.
dag.....i havn't read anything so stupid in my life. "House of pain arn't
white, they're Irish".... holy shit... holy... shit...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
damn... I'm living in a world where 90% of the population are complete and
utter morons... shit....
peace...well...sorta....
quiz
Perry Fect
: Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of pain,they
: are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
silly me but i think irish people can be white. i like mc search and
mike d and pete nice.
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The BAD GUY, aThoL
> Lyrically they could stay with most of the rappers in the biz today.
You're joking, right? Everleast and co. were never known for being gifted
lyricists. And they were pretty lucky to fluke out with Jump Around and
all that. Question: do you think that Jump Around (and House of Pain) would
have been that successful and popular if they were Black? Just wondering.
> I know nobody gives the Beastie Boys any credit anylonger in the rap
> community, but they were and still are talented rappers. Everyone was
> on their dick when their first album came out and after they started
> playing some hardcore and alternative sounding shit on their past few
> albums nobody wants to recognize them anylonger.
> If you listen to "Sure Shot" from their last album it is probably their
> best rap song lyrically since their first album.
You're joking again, right? I would take the song they did with Q-tip on
Check Your Head or stuff off of Paul's Boutique over Sure Shot. Again, it
was good 4 the masses, but the BB didn't exactly flip verbs on that song.
> I just hope they can the alternative and punk shit.
I don't like to dis other types of music, but I would happy as well if
eased off on the overkill. Yeah, they started off with punk, back 2 their
roots, etc. etc. etc...
THE BAD GUY, ATHOL ___________________________________________________
"You have to stand for something or else you will fall for everything"
____________________________________________________ YU10...@YORKU.CA
mvs...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Uh... remember Young Black Teenagers? Weren't they white?
B
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, B wrote:
>
> > Lyrically they could stay with most of the rappers in the biz today.
>
> You're joking, right? Everleast and co. were never known for being gifted
> lyricists. And they were pretty lucky to fluke out with Jump Around and
> all that. Question: do you think that Jump Around (and House of Pain) would
> have been that successful and popular if they were Black? Just wondering.
I think that they would be successful. I think this race card is being played too
much. What the hell does white or black mean. If you have good beats and good
lyrics your a good rapper there shouldn't be standards that say if your raps are a
little wack you can still sell records if your white.
Another point what is your version of lyricists. Many people think busta Rhymes is
a good lyricist, but personally I think he's shit. You can't understnd his shit and
he comes off all stupid soundin'.
HoP has phat beats, good lyrics and can rap. Regardless of race.
>
> > I know nobody gives the Beastie Boys any credit anylonger in the rap
> > community, but they were and still are talented rappers. Everyone was
> > on their dick when their first album came out and after they started
> > playing some hardcore and alternative sounding shit on their past few
> > albums nobody wants to recognize them anylonger.
>
> > If you listen to "Sure Shot" from their last album it is probably their
> > best rap song lyrically since their first album.
>
> You're joking again, right? I would take the song they did with Q-tip on
> Check Your Head or stuff off of Paul's Boutique over Sure Shot. Again, it
> was good 4 the masses, but the BB didn't exactly flip verbs on that song.
Sure Shot wasn't exactly a song for the masses. It got little airplay on any radio
stations or video shows. The song with Q-Tip was good but it was on Ill
Communication. What exactly made it a good song in your opinion. Just because
Q-Tip was in it? I'm a big Tribe fan and personally I think Q just didn't come off
as earth-shattereing as he usually does. On Mobb Deeps album he rips it up on drink
away the pain but not on Get it Together. The beasties came off really bad on that
track too. Bad beat and rhymes that just didn't fit are all the song says to me.
I question whether you really know about the BB as you call them. Their album in 86
was big on all race fronts and it was just as good as any other rappers out at that
time. Run DMC and LL didn't exactly "flip verbs" back then either. Rap was pretty
primitive in general.
>
> > I just hope they can the alternative and punk shit.
>
> I don't like to dis other types of music, but I would happy as well if
> eased off on the overkill. Yeah, they started off with punk, back 2 their
> roots, etc. etc. etc...
I'm not dissin' other music types. I'm a fan of all kinds, but I think that the BB
should stick with what got them where they are. They didn't sell millions of
hardcore punk albums. They sold rap albums. They just don't work as a punk band.
I hope their new album (out this summer) will take them back to their days of 86.
B
"I'll bust a nutt inside your
eye to show you where I come from"
-Phife
Mista Rogers
uh...remember they sucked.
Joe Hill Barkley
but they go much props. And it isn't even like the members stop working
either; I mean Serch had his album Return of the Product which was far
from whack, and Prime Minister Pete Nice & Daddy Rich had their album
Dust to Dust which was closer to whack, but still had a couple of phat
jams. Also, Serch produced Nas' Illmatic. So when thinking of white
rappers, step off that House of Pain shit.
Joe Barkley
Emory University
TOE UP3344
Yeah, I felt the bamas on "Rhymin to the am" or whatever it was
called....but who told Serch's fat azz he could dance?
Redz
"Black and White got game. If you came to the jam, well I'm glad ya came"
-Tribe
"Niggas always got something smart to say....probably couldn't even spell
N.W.A."
-Keith Murray
The BAD GUY, aThoL
> I think that they would be successful. I think this race card is being played too
> much. What the hell does white or black mean. If you have good beats and good
> lyrics your a good rapper there shouldn't be standards that say if your raps are a
> little wack you can still sell records if your white.
You must obviously be white, and if I have explain what being Black means
to you then I won't. It's not my job to educate you on your ignorance.
I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
(which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
> Another point what is your version of lyricists. Many people think busta Rhymes is
> a good lyricist, but personally I think he's shit. You can't understnd his shit and
> he comes off all stupid soundin'.
So, that means you think all reggae artists are wack b/c you can't
understand them? Taking the analogy further, if *you* can't understand
it, then it must be wack and "stupid sounding".
> HoP has phat beats, good lyrics and can rap. Regardless of race.
Your opinion. The Soul Assassin sound got tired, so I don't know where
you're going with the phat beats. Can rap, yeah they can rap, but so can
my 4 year old cousin. Good lyricists...HOP will *never* be accused of
that
> Sure Shot wasn't exactly a song for the masses It got little airplay on any radio
> stations or video shows.
Some of you Americans must be really sheltered or behind...up here that
shit was played to death.
> What exactly made it a good song in your opinion. Just because
> Q-Tip was in it?
Yo, check my last post...I never said that any song has to be good just
because Q-Tip is in it. It's just that Get It Together is the last
Beastie Boys song I will go on record as saying I liked.
> I question whether you really know about the BB as you call them. Their album in 86
> was big on all race fronts and it was just as good as any other rappers out at that
> time. Run DMC and LL didn't exactly "flip verbs" back then either. Rap was pretty
> primitive in general.
Fool, did I say that their 1st (and second, IMO) were not big on all race
fronts? You must be reading a different post than I sent. Licenced To Ill
is classic material. As for rap being primitive in 1986, I would say
production was "primitive" back then, but some rhymes from that era would
stand up to most of the shit put out now.
> I'm not dissin' other music types. I'm a fan of all kinds, but I think that the BB
> should stick with what got them where they are. They didn't sell millions of
> hardcore punk albums. They sold rap albums. They just don't work as a punk band.
> I hope their new album (out this summer) will take them back to their days of 86.
On your above statments I agree. What I think happened is what happens to
some of the so-called "cross-over" artists (Cypress Hill anyone?). They
come correct originally, and then in a misguided attempt to "expand their
fan base", they gain considerably more support and fans, but lose the
original supporters. And the reason why they lost the support? Because
they catered to those who really don't care about hip hop (at least as
much as myself and yourself do). And then they get upset when we call
them on it.
Glenn Rubenstein
No, seriously. White rap is almost bonafide segment of the current rap
scene. There are just bands going about it in different ways.
There are "honky" rap bands, meaning those who are like "we're white so
therefor we will try and be funny so we don't get shot or dissed because
it's all a joke in the first place." Bands in this category would include
Bloodhound Gang, Skillit, Headboard, and a couple of others floating
around out there. IMO this genre will blow up one day.
There are also those who are "down" and come out of a rap scene. These
bands include 3rd Bass, Young Black Teenagers, House of Pain, etc. etc.
Then there are those who come out of nowhere and while possessing skills
have no particular scene to associate themselves with, therefore putting
their credibility into question-- i.e. Blood of Abraham, et al.
So that's my take. Nothing wrong with white rap, in some ways its like
eating Taco Bell - lite, not quite the same as the shit with the fat, but
some items have an appreciatable taste all their own.
Gr
alan s weiland
: Roger Caldwell wrote:
: >
: > Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of pain,they
: > are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
: House of Pain aren't from Ireland. They're from LA. So basically they
: are white. Just because they are Irish-American doesn't mean they
: aren't white. House of Pain is also a very good rap group. Lyrically
: they could stay with most of the rappers in the biz today.
Shit! Lyrics are HOP's weakest point! If Muggs hadn't put these kids
on, they woulda never made any noise. Anybody remember the pre-HOP
Everlast? What a joke! I thought "Who's the Man" was their best joint,
since the production was tight. Beastie Boys are good rappers in their
own way, if ya know what I mean. They get props cuz those kids are
really down with hip-hop. But when it comes to sheer skills, Vanilla Ice
is/was the baddest white rapper of all time. I saw a show in Miami one
time when Nilla' was battlin Fresh Kid Ice from 2Live Crew in a freestyle
contest, and Iceman took Mr. China man to town!
hehehehe
-Al
: I know nobody gives the Beastie Boys any credit anylonger in the rap
: community, but they were and still are talented rappers. Everyone was
: on their dick when their first album came out and after they started
: playing some hardcore and alternative sounding shit on their past few
: albums nobody wants to recognize them anylonger.
: If you listen to "Sure Shot" from their last album it is probably their
: best rap song lyrically since their first album. Their next allbum
: which should include some tracks with the members of the WU should put
: them back in the rap picture, I just hope they can the alternative and
: punk shit.
: B
Me Myself and I
<snip>
> stations or video shows. The song with Q-Tip was good but it was on Ill
> Communication. What exactly made it a good song in your opinion. Just because
> Q-Tip was in it? I'm a big Tribe fan and personally I think Q just didn't come off
> as earth-shattereing as he usually does. On Mobb Deeps album he rips it up on drink
> away the pain but not on Get it Together. The beasties came off really bad on that
> track too. Bad beat and rhymes that just didn't fit are all the song says to me.
>
<snip>
Get It Together is a bad song? The Beasties are off on that track??
What the fuck are you talking about. Q-Tip is good also on that track.
-Me Myself and I
B
Tap the Bottle was a pretty good song
B
"Some Lyrics that the poster
doens't really understand"
-Various Artist
B
Listen. First off read what I posted and interpret it correctly. Don't get
delusions about what I am saying.
I didn't say Tip didn't sound good. I just felt that he didn't take over the
track like he did on Mobb's album.
I also said it is a good song but THE BEAT DOESN'T FIT THE TRACK!!! It's a
shitty piano beat that sound like the beat to "No Hook" by Shaq, Meth, and RZA
Maybe the beat worked with that group but it just doesn't work with this song.
The BB do not come off very good lyrically on this song. They seem to try to
mimic Tip's abstract rapping style and it just doesn't come off sounding very
well. The BB are at their best when they just rip the mic like they did on
liscence to Ill and they just don't do it on Get it Together.
B
"Some line that the person
posting doesn't really understand."
-Various Artist
B
>
>
> > I think that they would be successful. I think this race card is being played too
> > much. What the hell does white or black mean. If you have good beats and good
> > lyrics your a good rapper there shouldn't be standards that say if your raps are a
> > little wack you can still sell records if your white.
>
> You must obviously be white, and if I have explain what being Black means
> to you then I won't. It's not my job to educate you on your ignorance.
> I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
> standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
> that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
> I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
>
> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
> etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
The meaning of me being white it what? NOTHING! Just as the meaning of you being
black should mean nothing also.
Not trying to sound like a racist, but many black people sit on the race card and guess
who is also doing it? YOU ARE! When you make a comment like the one you posted above
you are playing the race card to its fullest.
It's not my job to educate YOU on your ignorance either, but if you keep crying racist
or racism everytime something doesn't go your way then you will never reach your goals.
People like that seem to think "How can I get ahead after 400 years of opression? I
don't stand a chance." that is the wrong attitude. They feel they are still owed their
"40 acres and a mule." and while they complain they let opportunity pass them by.
Millions of black people have become successful in this world and it is because they
seized their opportunities when they had the chance.
This is the reasons the so-called wack white rappers get signed over the talented black
rappers. They don't seize their opportunities.
> > Another point what is your version of lyricists. Many people think busta Rhymes is
> > a good lyricist, but personally I think he's shit. You can't understnd his shit and
> > he comes off all stupid soundin'.
>
> So, that means you think all reggae artists are wack b/c you can't
> understand them? Taking the analogy further, if *you* can't understand
> it, then it must be wack and "stupid sounding".
Considering I like The Fugees and Bob Marley I don't think your assumption is true.
>
> > HoP has phat beats, good lyrics and can rap. Regardless of race.
>
> Your opinion. The Soul Assassin sound got tired, so I don't know where
> you're going with the phat beats. Can rap, yeah they can rap, but so can
> my 4 year old cousin. Good lyricists...HOP will *never* be accused of
> that
The beats were pretty phat back in the days when I would go outside and hear everyone
white and black playing HoP. They haven't dropped an album for 2 years. Let's see how
the beats and lyrics come out on their next release. due this year
As for your 4 year old cousin rapping. WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKIN' BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! At
least make an intelligent response. I'm pretty sure your cousin won't besigned to any
big time record deals anytime soon.
>
> > Sure Shot wasn't exactly a song for the masses It got little airplay on any radio
> > stations or video shows.
>
> Some of you Americans must be really sheltered or behind...up here that
> shit was played to death.
It sure as hell wasn't played here very much. Maybe the people up there just know good
music.
>
> > What exactly made it a good song in your opinion. Just because
> > Q-Tip was in it?
>
> Yo, check my last post...I never said that any song has to be good just
> because Q-Tip is in it. It's just that Get It Together is the last
> Beastie Boys song I will go on record as saying I liked.
>
> > I question whether you really know about the BB as you call them. Their album in 86
> > was big on all race fronts and it was just as good as any other rappers out at that
> > time. Run DMC and LL didn't exactly "flip verbs" back then either. Rap was pretty
> > primitive in general.
>
> Fool, did I say that their 1st (and second, IMO) were not big on all race
> fronts? You must be reading a different post than I sent. Licenced To Ill
> is classic material. As for rap being primitive in 1986, I would say
> production was "primitive" back then, but some rhymes from that era would
> stand up to most of the shit put out now.
I never said you didn't ackowledge the BB's first two albums as classics. I was just
making a generalization.
I doubt that many lyrics from '86 would hold up. Watch rap city's old school
Wednesday. Those songs are all only about 4-5 years old and the lyrical quality just
isn't there. Listen to NWA their shit definately was primitive in rhyme styles and
lyrics period. Basically if you put some old lyrics to a fresh new beat I think you
could definately see the primitiveness of the older material.
> > I'm not dissin' other music types. I'm a fan of all kinds, but I think that the BB
> > should stick with what got them where they are. They didn't sell millions of
> > hardcore punk albums. They sold rap albums. They just don't work as a punk band.
> > I hope their new album (out this summer) will take them back to their days of 86.
>
> On your above statments I agree. What I think happened is what happens to
> some of the so-called "cross-over" artists (Cypress Hill anyone?). They
> come correct originally, and then in a misguided attempt to "expand their
> fan base", they gain considerably more support and fans, but lose the
> original supporters. And the reason why they lost the support? Because
> they catered to those who really don't care about hip hop (at least as
> much as myself and yourself do). And then they get upset when we call
> them on it.
Yeah I'll give you this one.
B
"Some lyrics the poster
doens't really understand!"
-Various Artist
keyo
continent of all races ripping the mic- nobody down with rap will ever
deny its roots and black people will never , EVER get pushed off the
scene, it could never happen, so theres plenty of room in the rap
scene for all races to represent. . Speaking of non-US rap, if
theres going to be a group from this side of the pond which will break
through in the motherland of rap real soon then it wil be the
Brotherhood from the UK, their albums called "Elementalz", check it
out if you can.
"Its not where you're from its where you're in the mental"
- UGOD on Killa Hill Niggaz
---------------------------------------------------------
'expand your conciousness
and dismiss foolishness
nobody is new to this
or new to Chris
In hip hops atomic structure
I am the nucleus' - KRS ONE
The BAD GUY, aThoL
> The meaning of me being white it what? NOTHING! Just as the meaning of you being
> black should mean nothing also.
Or so you think...if you *really* believe that our colour (or culture)
has nothing to do with anything then you must be lost...
> Not trying to sound like a racist, but many black people sit on the race card and guess
> who is also doing it? YOU ARE! When you make a comment like the one you posted above
> you are playing the race card to its fullest.
How so, and when did I get the "race deck"?
> It's not my job to educate YOU on your ignorance either, but if you keep crying racist
> or racism everytime something doesn't go your way then you will never reach your goals.
Typical White conservative response. We don't cry racism because there's
legitimite cause, we cry racism b/c we're too lazy to "seize the
opportunity". I'm not surprised...this "whining minority" thing has been
used to trivialize and marginalize real concerns of different
disenfranchised communities for years.
> Millions of black people have become successful in this world and it is because they
> seized their opportunities when they had the chance.
Okay starr, name the millions of Black people who are successful and not
a) down in the entertainment field or b) down with sports. I thought so.
> This is the reasons the so-called wack white rappers get signed over the talented black
> rappers. They don't seize their opportunities.
Hardly. Many people are starting to get hip to the game and realizing
that record companies are trying to take them. Have you asked some of the
current artists about their record labels and their deals? Have you
noticed that nobody ain't given record companies shoutouts on their
records anymore like they used to? Have you noticed the number of artists
who have either swtiched labels or have been dropped? You must be living
in some hole.
> Considering I like The Fugees and Bob Marley I don't think your assumption is true.
I think my assumption is still correct. Were you into Bob Marley b4 the
Fugees? And Bob Marley isn't the only reggae artist to ever come out of
"yard".
> The beats were pretty phat back in the days when I would go outside and hear everyone
> white and black playing HoP. They haven't dropped an album for 2 years. Let's see how
> the beats and lyrics come out on their next release. due this year
They up shit's creek without a Soul Assassin...let's just hope they get
some producers or this album will be there last. As for Black and White
people playing House of Pain...what are you on, some "can't we all get
along" bullshit?
> As for your 4 year old cousin rapping. WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKIN' BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! At
> least make an intelligent response. I'm pretty sure your cousin won't besigned to any
> big time record deals anytime soon.
I don't think your response was to intelligent, but I digress...
> It sure as hell wasn't played here very much. Maybe the people up there just know good
> music.
I'll take that as some sort of backhanded compliment (I think)...
> I never said you didn't ackowledge the BB's first two albums as classics. I was just
> making a generalization.
Well, don't assume my intentions thru a generalization. Didn't anyone
ever tell you about what happens when you assume?
> I doubt that many lyrics from '86 would hold up. Watch rap city's old school
> Wednesday. Those songs are all only about 4-5 years old and the lyrical quality just
> isn't there. Listen to NWA their shit definately was primitive in rhyme styles and
> lyrics period. Basically if you put some old lyrics to a fresh new beat I think you
> could definately see the primitiveness of the older material.
That's your opinion...
Back 2 U, B...
El Surround
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, B wrote:
>
> > I think that they would be successful. I think this race card is being played too
> > much. What the hell does white or black mean. If you have good beats and good
> > lyrics your a good rapper there shouldn't be standards that say if your raps are a
> > little wack you can still sell records if your white.
>
> You must obviously be white, and if I have explain what being Black means
> to you then I won't. It's not my job to educate you on your ignorance.
> I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
> standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
> that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
> I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
>
> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
alot of these muthafuckaz who're into alternative shit dig the Beasties,
and rock shit like "Sureshot" all the time- but if you'll say to them
something like KRS ONE, they'll be like "That's not music". The just
feel threatened by strong black expression...
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B
>
> The BAD GUY, aThoL wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, B wrote:
> >
> > > I think that they would be successful. I think this race card is being played too
> > > much. What the hell does white or black mean. If you have good beats and good
> > > lyrics your a good rapper there shouldn't be standards that say if your raps are a
> > > little wack you can still sell records if your white.
> >
> > You must obviously be white, and if I have explain what being Black means
> > to you then I won't. It's not my job to educate you on your ignorance.
> > I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
> > standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
> > that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
> > I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
> > (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
> >
> > Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
> > b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
> > etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?I must agree with you. Not taking anything away from the Beastie Boyz-
> alot of these muthafuckaz who're into alternative shit dig the Beasties,
> and rock shit like "Sureshot" all the time- but if you'll say to them
> something like KRS ONE, they'll be like "That's not music". The just
> feel threatened by strong black expression...
> Peace
I personally don't like the Beastie Boys Alternative, punk, hard-core
music. When they just rapped back in the day they were descent.
personally I like KRS-One. I liked his new album. The only problem is
he sends a very anti-white message. He is supposed to be one of the
most influential people in Hip-hop music. With BDP he always tried to
teach black people to do something with their lives. Now he spreads a
message of hate. the self-proclaimed "Rap-God of Lyrical-Syllible"
shouldn't have to resort to anti-white sentiments.
B
"I'm the man of the hour, of the hour.
I found He-Man, jacked off all his power.
Now I carry a sword, attached by a live cord,
Oh, my lord!"
-Erick Sermon
B
> > The meaning of me being white it what? NOTHING! Just as the meaning of you being
> > black should mean nothing also.
>
> Or so you think...if you *really* believe that our colour (or culture)
> has nothing to do with anything then you must be lost...
I see where your coming from on this one (believe that one or not)
What should be said is . . .
If this world was right then the meaning of black and white SHOULD be nothing.
> > Not trying to sound like a racist, but many black people sit on the race card and guess
> > who is also doing it? YOU ARE! When you make a comment like the one you posted above
> > you are playing the race card to its fullest.
>
> How so, and when did I get the "race deck"?
Well, When you are black it is pretty easy to blame everything on race from my
experiences. I went to a high school with a very high black population and when you
see it done everyday in the school hallways you kind of get the feeling that that's how
it is with every black person.
Many times when a black student was in trouble he'd say something like "Just cause I'm
black I'm in trouble" I expect that from some of the unintelligent kids but even the
black students that were with me in the accelerated classes did the same thing. Most
of the time they got out of the trouble because the teachers were afraid of the "race
card". It is very powerful. Nobody wants to go head to head on a race issue nowadays.
Granted I think OJ was Not-Guilty, but many people out there believe he got off just
because Cochran brought up Mark Fuhrman said "nigger" on some police tapes from 10
years ago.
>
> > It's not my job to educate YOU on your ignorance either, but if you keep crying racist
> > or racism everytime something doesn't go your way then you will never reach your goals.
>
> Typical White conservative response. We don't cry racism because there's
> legitimite cause, we cry racism b/c we're too lazy to "seize the
> opportunity". I'm not surprised...this "whining minority" thing has been
> used to trivialize and marginalize real concerns of different
> disenfranchised communities for years.
Typical Minority response. There can't be legitimate cause everytime something bad
happens to a black person.
Jeez! People always talk about how bad everything is for them. In North America there
is about 10% minority population, but everyone feels that we have to keep making
opportunites available for minorites. Look at the programs out now. Affirmitive
action takes away jobs from qualified people just because there has to be a racial
quota in the job markets. The same goes for colleges. Financial aid is taken from the
deserving highly achieving academic students just because Schools have to have quota's
of minorites.
>
> > Millions of black people have become successful in this world and it is because they
> > seized their opportunities when they had the chance.
>
> Okay starr, name the millions of Black people who are successful and not
> a) down in the entertainment field or b) down with sports. I thought so.
How about Colin Powell, David Dinkins, Douglas Wilder, the Democratic Party's head is
black.
>
> > This is the reasons the so-called wack white rappers get signed over the talented black
> > rappers. They don't seize their opportunities.
>
> Hardly. Many people are starting to get hip to the game and realizing
> that record companies are trying to take them. Have you asked some of the
> current artists about their record labels and their deals? Have you
> noticed that nobody ain't given record companies shoutouts on their
> records anymore like they used to? Have you noticed the number of artists
> who have either swtiched labels or have been dropped? You must be living
> in some hole.
There is no loyalty today. Maybe rappers believe that they are being taken, but they
are still making a hell of a lot more cash than they would if they wouldn't be signed
to a record deal. Without record companies the rappers would have never made shit in
the rap game. They just bite the hand that feeds them. Do you really believe that
every record company is just out to take rappers? The artists are doing the same
thing. They talk bad on the labels, threaten to leave, don't live up to their
contracts, all while just trying to make as much money as possible.
Bottom line: Rap artists make a helluva lot more cash under record companies than they
would selling their tapes on the streets.
>
> > Considering I like The Fugees and Bob Marley I don't think your assumption is true.
>
> I think my assumption is still correct. Were you into Bob Marley b4 the
> Fugees? And Bob Marley isn't the only reggae artist to ever come out of
> "yard".
Well I've liked Marley for a long time now and I just got turned onto the Fugees after
their first album came out a couple years back.
Another point Busta Rhymes isn't really a reggae sounding artist anyways. He just raps
fast, he doesn't really rap reggae like the Fugees or some one like Mad Lion, Mad
Cobra, or other Reggae-rap artists.
>
> > The beats were pretty phat back in the days when I would go outside and hear everyone
> > white and black playing HoP. They haven't dropped an album for 2 years. Let's see how
> > the beats and lyrics come out on their next release. due this year
>
> They up shit's creek without a Soul Assassin...let's just hope they get
> some producers or this album will be there last. As for Black and White
> people playing House of Pain...what are you on, some "can't we all get
> along" bullshit?
I though you said Soul Assassin's shit got old? Now you say they need them back
again. They will put out a good product.
I dont' know what goes on where your from but in my School many black kids liked HoP
Who the hell said anything about "Can't we all ge along" bullshit. Rodney King played
that out years ago and you won't hear me yelling it or posting it for that matter.
>
> > As for your 4 year old cousin rapping. WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKIN' BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! At
> > least make an intelligent response. I'm pretty sure your cousin won't besigned to any
> > big time record deals anytime soon.
>
> I don't think your response was to intelligent, but I digress...
Well you know what I say. . . post a stupid message. . . get a stupid reply
>
> > It sure as hell wasn't played here very much. Maybe the people up there just know good
> > music.
>
> I'll take that as some sort of backhanded compliment (I think)...
It kind of wasn't meant either way.
>
> > I never said you didn't ackowledge the BB's first two albums as classics. I was just
> > making a generalization.
>
> Well, don't assume my intentions thru a generalization. Didn't anyone
> ever tell you about what happens when you assume?
Who assumed? I just generalized.
>
> > I doubt that many lyrics from '86 would hold up. Watch rap city's old school
> > Wednesday. Those songs are all only about 4-5 years old and the lyrical quality just
> > isn't there. Listen to NWA their shit definately was primitive in rhyme styles and
> > lyrics period. Basically if you put some old lyrics to a fresh new beat I think you
> > could definately see the primitiveness of the older material.
>
> That's your opinion...
Well wasn't everything we've talked about been just opinions in the first place.
Let's hear it Bad Guy
B
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I found He-Man, Jacked off all his power.
Now I carry a sword attatched by a live cord,
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The BAD GUY, aThoL
> I see where your coming from on this one (believe that one or not)
> What should be said is . . .
> If this world was right then the meaning of black and white SHOULD be nothing.
No argument here, since culture is another matter entirely.
> Well, When you are black it is pretty easy to blame everything on race from my
> experiences. I went to a high school with a very high black population and when you
> see it done everyday in the school hallways you kind of get the feeling that that's how
> it is with every black person.
Guy, what did I tell you about generalizations? Anyway, a considerable
amount of things that happen to us is because of race. People just have
to know the difference, as opposed to what you think people are doing by
"crying wolf" everytime something goes wrong.
> Most of the time they got out of the trouble because the teachers were afraid of the "race
> card". It is very powerful. Nobody wants to go head to head on a race issue nowadays.
And whose fault is that? It's ironic...nobody wants to deal with the
issue but we're accused of bringing race into every dispute.
> Granted I think OJ was Not-Guilty, but many people out there believe he got off just
> because Cochran brought up Mark Fuhrman said "nigger" on some police tapes from 10
> years ago.
Not 2 B rude, but what the fuck does OJ have 2 do with this discussion?
> Typical Minority response. There can't be legitimate cause everytime something bad
> happens to a black person.
Typical studpid response. There is always a legitimate cause why Black
people get into bad situations. Racism, sexism, homophobia does not exist
or can be explained away. The point is simple: I would trust that most
people know the difference between legitimate cause and discrimination.
And I would put better faith into someone who experiences it over someone
who is on the outside like yourself. What are you going to tell me about
experiencing racism?
> Jeez! People always talk about how bad everything is for them. In North America there
> is about 10% minority population, but everyone feels that we have to keep making
> opportunites available for minorites. Look at the programs out now. Affirmitive
> action takes away jobs from qualified people just because there has to be a racial
> quota in the job markets. The same goes for colleges. Financial aid is taken from the
> deserving highly achieving academic students just because Schools have to have quota's
> of minorites.
I hope the above was a joke...Affirmative action doesn *NOT* take away
jobs from qualified people, same with the financial aid. U must have got
that straight from the Republican manifesto. The playing field is not
level, so don't give me that meritocracy crap either. Why is it that
programs that are designed for qualified people of colour to take are
implemented people like you scream reverse-racism?
> are still making a hell of a lot more cash than they would if they
> wouldn't be signed
> to a record deal. Without record companies the rappers would have never made shit in
> the rap game. They just bite the hand that feeds them. Do you really believe that
> every record company is just out to take rappers? The artists are doing the same
> thing. They talk bad on the labels, threaten to leave, don't live up to their
> contracts, all while just trying to make as much money as possible.
In a word: yes. You take blaming the victim to a whole new level. It's
the victim's fault that the company is jacking them, and then the only
recourse is to try and get out of a foul contract. Would you stay in a
situation which you know is unacceptable and you are getting ripped off?
> Bottom line: Rap artists make a helluva lot more cash under record companies than they
> would selling their tapes on the streets.
Your opinion.
> Well I've liked Marley for a long time now and I just got turned onto the Fugees after
> their first album came out a couple years back.
And this proves?
> Another point Busta Rhymes isn't really a reggae sounding artist anyways. He just raps
> fast, he doesn't really rap reggae like the Fugees or some one like Mad Lion, Mad
> Cobra, or other Reggae-rap artists.
Who said Busta was a reggae (sounding) artist? Most hip hop artists have
jumped on the wagon with the ragga rap tip b/c it sells and reggae is big
in the almighty US.
> I though you said Soul Assassin's shit got old? Now you say they need them back
> again. They will put out a good product.
Either way, they're going 2 need some production help and I certainly
won't B checkin' 4 their new LP.
> I dont' know what goes on where your from but in my School many black kids liked HoP
> Who the hell said anything about "Can't we all ge along" bullshit. Rodney King played
> that out years ago and you won't hear me yelling it or posting it for that matter.
Well, in my neck of the woods HoP was tolerated by many, and dismissed
by everyone after the hubbubaloo died down. Face it...they're one (or
two) hit wonders that were riding the coattails of Cypress Hill. Same
with Funkdoobiest...except 4 a few singles, their shit was mediocre.
My reference 2 Rodney King is this: your main thesis is that we coloured
folx (I'm not "minority"...check the population of the world) cry racism
b/c we are too lazy 2 get off our asses and work 4 a living like the
god-fearing worthy white people. And we deserve our misery b/c we're lazy
and we blame everything on the man. People like you just want us 2 all
get along and forget that we live in a society that is unfairly biased
against the majority of participants (people of colour, women,
homosexuals, etc.). We should enjoy are lot and *NEVER* complain. White
man's burden and all that. Right?
I know that we are eventually going 2 come 2 a standstill, so maybe we
can agree to disagree? Neither of us are going 2 change our minds anytime
too soon.
Back at ya...
Marc Reid (BUS)
>Cypress HIll isnt white,they are mexican,same goes to House of pain,they
>are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
>
uhhhmmm, last time I checked Irish was White. Call an Irishman something else
and see if you're ass don't get cussed out.
Marc
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B
> can agree to disagree? Neither of us are going 2 change our minds anytime
> too soon.
>
> Back at ya...
I think thats the best course of action right now. this thing has gone back and forth
4 or 5 times now and we've covered about every topic except white rappers, which was
the original post heading. and we haven't done much but piss each other off about
different views of race relations.
Bottome line you are black and going to see things through your own eyes, just as I am
white and am going to see things through my own.
Let's get off the race issue and just talk about a love of both of ours, Hip-hop music.
Start a new post and lets see if it leads in the right direction this time.
B
"I'm the man of the hour, of the hour.
I found He-Man and jacked off all his power.
Now I carry a sword, attatched by a live cord,
THE CEO
>B <mjb...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>>> all that. Question: do you think that Jump Around (and House of Pain) would
>>> have been that successful and popular if they were Black? Just wondering.
>
>popular if they were black.
How the hell can you even say that? I don't know any brothas that even
thought about buyin' that shit. Any brothas reading this that bought that shit
hit up a response. Maybe I'm wrong but that was a white-ass commercialized
song. House of Pain and Beastie Boys are the bottom of the fuckin' barrel as
far as hip hop. I give more props to House of Pain though cuz they're still
hip hp,although wack as hell. Beastie's are on some ole Punk shit. No love
for em. Tue headz know what I'm sayin'.
PEACE,
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Tyler Blohm
Well I'll have to put my 2 cents in...
>I'm going to take respectful issue with your claim that Beastie Boys
>inspired the rise of Hip Hop. Now, I'm from the South Side of Chicago and
>was had considered Rap as "mine" long before the Beasties ever decided
>they were gonna drop punk and pick up Rap.
True...
>Now, it may be an issue if opinion, but really I think it's one of
>perception. It may be that the Beastie Boys brought YOU into the rap game.
>It may be that they define a certain "value" for you. But in my
>perception, the Beastie Boys only made Rap seem "safe" to suburban white
>kids. Yes, that helped to increase record sales. But it also inspired the
>mass marketing this is the rule today. So, would it be fair for me to say
>that the Beastie Boys killed rap?
True what you said about "safe rap," but killing rap? I don't think
so. Maybe rap would've faded away if it weren't for someone to bring
it out into the open. But...Mike D said himself on the "Perfect Beat"
rap documentary on PBS that if the BBoys didn't come out and sell
millions of records to suburban white kids, another chain of events
would happen causing rap to become mainstream. So maybe it was
inevitable that hip-hop blew up the way it did.
>Now, on another level, all this talk about white rappers and their
>influence... I'm not going to strip the Beasties of their acheivements. I
>don't listen to them myself but they did have some hits. NOTE: The did not
>make their own beats, and a significant number of the lyrics were written
>by others like RunDMC.
Some of the songs on Licensed to Ill were written by Run-DMC (Look at
the Paul Revere credits...Simmons is one of the writers) but I think
after that the BBoys wrote all their lyrics. Pauls Boutique is
considered by most Beastie fans as their "crowning achievement," and a
real showcase of their musical talent. Now I'm not saying they do
better without Run-DMC, I'm just saying they sounded better on P.B.
>I really don't care if there are white rappers. The fundamental truth is
>that Rap/Hip Hop reaches back to an AFRICAN tradtition of oral history and
>griots. Rap was/is/and will be guided by Black and Brown folks from the
>Ghetto.
Well...I guess a white guy can't comment on this...
>The hardcore reality is that white people function only as consumers in
>the game of Rap/Hip Hop. Yes, I'm including the record label bosses. The
>photographers. The video directors...
Come on...white people deserve a little more credit than that...
>It is plain old racist chauvinism that claims that *any* small group of
>imitators actually LEAD the culture which they adopt.
I'm not trying to adopt hip-hop as my own...and I won't forget how
hip-hop started, in the ghettos etc. But does that mean white people
shouldn't even be allowed to participate in it?
>Lets be real folks.
>One major problem with this Hip Hop Nation is that the many of Yall don't
>go deeper than the surface.
>And as far as white rappers worth listening to... 3rd Bass and maybe Tony
>D. No others.
But don't forget the originals...
>8{>
>jabari "blac...@ghetto.edu"
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> 40 Acres And A Mule
>We Got
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> I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
> standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
> that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
> I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
aThoL, at first I agreed with your last statement, but after thinking
about it, I'm not so sure. I think that _used_ to be the case a few
years ago, but things have changed. After embarrassments like Vanilla
Wafer, NKOTB, Marky Mark, Icy Blu, etc., many labels are reluctant to
even _touch_ a "white" artist. Seems to me they get less respect now
than they ever did, because they're generally regarded as fads, and as
such aren't even good for flash-in-the-pan success anymore.
> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
> etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
I have no idea what the volume ratio would be, but if you accept the high
percentage of sales generally attributed to "whites," wouldn't you think
there'd be a lot of them trying to break into the biz?
> THE BAD GUY, ATHOL ___________________________________________________
> "You have to stand for something or else you will fall for everything"
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-Kev-
***Marbles***
I don't know if I could give more props to House of Pain tha the
Beastie Boys. I was never into the Beastie's like a lot of people were.
They came off like a rock group doing a rap album. But at least they
kept their little punk vibe going within their hip-hop.
Now the first track I ever heard by Everlast was "Syndication" on
the Rhyme Syndicate compilation. I actually thought that track was
pretty good. Then I heard "I Got the Knack" which was rather poor. In
both of those videos, he came off as a white cat who was down with Ice-T
and was doing a hip-hop thing. Cool...
Next thing you know, he's screaming Irish pride and coming with
an accent that he didn't have the first few times I heard him. I'm not
trying to say he's fake or whatever, but the change was kind of extreme
to me. And the music was nothing special. "Jump Around" was nothing
special.
As far as other white hip-hop artists, I remember the first time
I saw 3rd Bass. Tight as hell. They got respect for simply being good
MCs with good tracks. Yeah, Serch's haircut with the 3 shaved in it was
too much, but they put out a good product.
Peace,
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ADISA
> ad...@sirius.com (ADISA) wrote:
>
> >And as far as white rappers worth listening to... 3rd Bass and maybe Tony
> >D. No others.
In article <4junn2$7...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, bl...@primenet.com wrote:
>
> But don't forget the originals...
>
Tyler, if you want me to remember the original white rappers then I think
I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
8{>
jabari
ADISA
> How the hell can you even say that? I don't know any brothas
that even
> thought about buyin' that shit. Any brothas reading this that bought
that shit
> hit up a response. Maybe I'm wrong but that was a white-ass commercialized
> song. House of Pain and Beastie Boys are the bottom of the fuckin' barrel as
> far as hip hop. I give more props to House of Pain though cuz they're still
> hip hp,although wack as hell. Beastie's are on some ole Punk shit. No love
> for em. Tue headz know what I'm sayin'.
> PEACE,
>
> Cinque Malcolm Powell, C.E.O.
>
I didn't buy that shit and I wouldn't buy that shit if they were Black.
I keep my mind open but not so wide that a whole lot of shit falls in.
8{>
jabari
TOE UP3344
>I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
Not saying that you are, but I've had many people tell me that Blondie
started rap. After getting over my initial urge to strangle they
dumb-asses & put em outta their misery I explain that Blondie, open after
peeping Fab 5 Freddy, decided to do a rap. Now, If anyone here has heard
this "Rap" in the song "Rapture", they will realize that she in no way
influenced the youngsters in the ghetto to pick up a mic. She just strung
together some words that happened to rhyme & in true white liberal fashion
accepted mad praise for being so "open-minded". The shit was a travesty to
this art form yet she gets mad credit. Please don't mark me for a racist
but you have to admit, if Jimi Hendrix had come that wack on his guitar,
would he have been praised for being "open-minded" or would he have been
told to form an R&B group & prance around & spin like The Temptations?
Redz
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-Keith Murray
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spell T.W.A."
-Keith Murray
mcarpent
>> >
>> > Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
>> > b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
>> > etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?I must agree with you. Not taking anything away from the Beastie Boyz-
>> alot of these muthafuckaz who're into alternative shit dig the Beasties,
>> and rock shit like "Sureshot" all the time- but if you'll say to them
>> something like KRS ONE, they'll be like "That's not music". The just
>> feel threatened by strong black expression...
>> Peace
>
>
>I personally don't like the Beastie Boys Alternative, punk, hard-core
>music. When they just rapped back in the day they were descent.
>
>personally I like KRS-One. I liked his new album. The only problem is
>he sends a very anti-white message. He is supposed to be one of the
>most influential people in Hip-hop music. With BDP he always tried to
>teach black people to do something with their lives. Now he spreads a
>message of hate. the self-proclaimed "Rap-God of Lyrical-Syllible"
>shouldn't have to resort to anti-white sentiments.
>
Personally , I like the Beastie Boys AND Krs one , so peg that shit all yall
musical segregators . Oh and back in the day , the Beasties were playing
punk rock as much as they were kickin rhymes , they just noticed the similarities
between the sounds and assimilated them . Groups like Digable Planets , Fugees ,
Basehead and Goodie Mob should not be discouraged , they are taking hip
hop in whole new directions , theyre time will come .
The BAD GUY, aThoL
> aThoL, at first I agreed with your last statement, but after thinking
> about it, I'm not so sure. I think that _used_ to be the case a few
> years ago, but things have changed. After embarrassments like Vanilla
> Wafer, NKOTB, Marky Mark, Icy Blu, etc., many labels are reluctant to
> even _touch_ a "white" artist. Seems to me they get less respect now
> than they ever did, because they're generally regarded as fads, and as
> such aren't even good for flash-in-the-pan success anymore.
True to a certain extent. I think the record companies are less afraid of
embarrassments and look more at the trends. If everyone (down or not)
said that NKOTB were wack, but NKOTB were still selling, I don't think
the record companies would mind. I think that it's the combination of
everyone exposing the wackness and sales filtering off. It's more of a
C.R.E.A.M. situation...I don't think the record companies care as much as
public perception than about making money.
> I have no idea what the volume ratio would be, but if you accept the high
> percentage of sales generally attributed to "whites," wouldn't you think
> there'd be a lot of them trying to break into the biz?
I don't know...buying something doesn't mean that you want to get into
it. When I was talking about volume, I was talking about the number of
white hip hop artists 2 black hip hop artists. I'm figuring more blacks
than whites want 2 get into the game, but I could be wrong.
Thanx 4 your thoughts doe kev, it's nice 2 C some *DISCUSSION* happen up
in this joint.
Jesse A McDonald
Not really.
Jesse A McDonald
: > are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
: are white. Just because they are Irish-American doesn't mean they
: aren't white. House of Pain is also a very good rap group. Lyrically
: they could stay with most of the rappers in the biz today.
where they're FROM! Being from LA sure doesn't make them white any more
than being Irish would stop them being white. This is really
incomprehensible!
: on their dick when their first album came out and after they started
: playing some hardcore and alternative sounding shit on their past few
: albums nobody wants to recognize them anylonger.
: them back in the rap picture, I just hope they can the alternative and
: punk shit.
They didn't just start the punk shit, they were doing the punk
shit FIRST! Their first video was Egg Raid On Mojo. I don't LIKE their
punk stuff, but to abandon it for the masses would definitely be selling out.
Jesse A McDonald
: is/was the baddest white rapper of all time. I saw a show in Miami one
: time when Nilla' was battlin Fresh Kid Ice from 2Live Crew in a freestyle
: contest, and Iceman took Mr. China man to town!
Wow, he beat a member of 2 Live Crew!? But 2 Live Crew is
awesome! They're like totally radical! They're creative and cool cuz
they swear a lot!
da man wit da goodz
-Kev- <kard...@Meena.CC.URegina.CA> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, The BAD GUY, aThoL wrote:
>> I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
>> standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
>> that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
>> I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
>> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
>
>aThoL, at first I agreed with your last statement, but after thinking
>about it, I'm not so sure. I think that _used_ to be the case a few
>years ago, but things have changed. After embarrassments like Vanilla
>Wafer, NKOTB, Marky Mark, Icy Blu, etc., many labels are reluctant to
>even _touch_ a "white" artist. Seems to me they get less respect now
>than they ever did, because they're generally regarded as fads, and as
>such aren't even good for flash-in-the-pan success anymore.
>
>> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
>> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
>> etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
>
>I have no idea what the volume ratio would be, but if you accept the high
>percentage of sales generally attributed to "whites," wouldn't you think
>there'd be a lot of them trying to break into the biz?
>
>> THE BAD GUY, ATHOL ___________________________________________________
>> "You have to stand for something or else you will fall for everything"
>> ____________________________________________________ YU10...@YORKU.CA
>
>-Kev-
White or black, wack is wack, shit is as simple as that. Hammer,
pleeeeease that fool has not dropped ANYTHING worthy ever. Vanilla, shit
that fool is probably selling hot dogs or shit out front of Joe Robbi.
Who was one of Nas' producers on Illmatic, MC Serch. 3rd Bass was a nice
group back in 89, no doubt. If you put out weak shit, I don't care if
your ass is purple, weak lyrics, weak beats, weak production, plain old
shit. Weak product sees no colour period.
Nafis M. Abdullah I
How can you say this shit with a straight face? That's like
trying to justify that height doesn't matter in the NBA by using Spud
and Muggsy as your examples. "Hey, Avery J. dishes 10 assists a game!
How many 7-footers can do that? There's plenty of tall guys that can't
play worth shit! Height shouldn't be a factor! Let's all get along!" How
ridiculous. And if you don't see the analogy, don't reply just to reply
or because your feelings are hurt. I just can't see any argument where
the basis is that color doesn't matter when it comes to emceeing. I
admit, in theory, hey, sounds great and completely plausible. But in
actuality, which is all that matters, nope, sorry, not true, end of
story. Then again, if you have poor taste in music, then you can't see
me anyway, so that ends it right there.
Let's take the basketball analogy further. The US has the best hoopers
in the world. If you dispute this, you're a damn fool. No one knows why
this is so. Maybe because basketball started here. Maybe not. I don't
know. Now it sounds perfectly logical to say that it doesn't matter where
you're born. If you're inherently skilled at basketball, then you'll be
good, regardless of location. In actuality this is not so. Granted, in a few
cases, this is true (Hakeem, Mutombo, etc) but on the whole, American
ballers destroy anybody else in this piece. Fucking NBA scrubs go to
Europe and are fucking superstars. Shit, I think that our high school
ballers are better than the pros anywhere, but that's off the subject. You
gonna tell me there's a muhfucka in Bangledesh that could fade Mike?
Hell naw. I probably lost half of y'all, so i'ma chill but take it back
around to where I came from and knowledge what I'm saying.
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Anthony Chapman
<toeu...@aol.com> writes
>>Tyler, if you want me to remember the original white rappers then I think
>>I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
>
>Not saying that you are, but I've had many people tell me that Blondie
>started rap. After getting over my initial urge to strangle they
>dumb-asses & put em outta their misery I explain that Blondie, open after
>peeping Fab 5 Freddy, decided to do a rap. Now, If anyone here has heard
>this "Rap" in the song "Rapture", they will realize that she in no way
>influenced the youngsters in the ghetto to pick up a mic. She just strung
>together some words that happened to rhyme & in true white liberal fashion
>accepted mad praise for being so "open-minded". The shit was a travesty to
>this art form yet she gets mad credit. Please don't mark me for a racist
>but you have to admit, if Jimi Hendrix had come that wack on his guitar,
>would he have been praised for being "open-minded" or would he have been
>told to form an R&B group & prance around & spin like The Temptations?
>
>
forgetting one thing...
Q: Who wrote the music for "Wild Style"
A: Chris Stein, guitarist for blondie.
The Wild Style soundtrack is probably the piece of music recorded after
the 70s that has influenced Hip Hop the most. So, I don't think it's
fair to discount Blondie from having any influence over Hip Hop's
development.
I've been following the posts in this thread for a while now, and have
tried to stay quiet, but some of the later posts have begun to disturb
me.
I am of mixed race. My father is Tunisian (North Africa), and My Mother
is English. I have had no contact with my Father's side of the family,
and thus my upbringing has been within white English culture. However,
I still consider myself a true participant in Hip-Hop culture. In my
country, heads from all races are accepted into the cutting edge of Hip-
Hop. Take this countries premier crew, The Brotherhood. On their track
"One" they speak of the advantages to being "One mixed race, One Black,
One Yid; Power Of The Pyramid".
An earlier post said that white people could never take an important
role within Hip-Hop. I'm sorry, but how can you deny the importance of
such people as Rick Rubin. I wouldn't say that the Beasties were
responsible for Hip-Hop blowing up the way it did, but DEF JAM certainly
was. Yes, I know Russell Simmons was equally important in this, but
Rubin started it off.
More importantly, how can you deny the importance of the MILLIONS of
white people worldwide who buy Hip-Hop records (for whatever reason -
they put food on your heroes tables).
Don't misunderstand me, I don't have some dumb-assed hippy view of the
world, it's just that I find it hypocritical of people to deny the
importance of white people as Rappers and also as buyers, whilst earning
royalties from the millions of records they sell to white kids all over
the world.
Muggs, MC Serch, Pete Nice, Rick Rubin, Beasties, House Of Pain, Shylock
(Brotherhood), Milkbone, Chris Stein.... All white, and all influential
in their own way.
Come on, if it's wack, it's WACK. But the above people (and more)
deserve their props.
Peace!
BIG Ant Chapman.
"Dogfood is as dogfood does; Whole countries are dying for us, you know."
El Surround
PEace
Slacks
> I don't know if I could give more props to House of Pain tha the
>Beastie Boys. I was never into the Beastie's like a lot of people were.
>They came off like a rock group doing a rap album. But at least they
>kept their little punk vibe going within their hip-hop.
Most of these complaints about the Beasts have little to do with their
skin color , but with their hybrid styles , instruments and use of punk rock
as well as other musical genres . Once again i must mention that they were
punkin it up long before they started rapping , so theyre just sticking to
their roots , something im sure yall can understand.
>
> Now the first track I ever heard by Everlast was "Syndication" on
>the Rhyme Syndicate compilation. I actually thought that track was
>pretty good. Then I heard "I Got the Knack" which was rather poor. In
>both of those videos, he came off as a white cat who was down with Ice-T
>and was doing a hip-hop thing. Cool...
"Everlast is in effect , gettin big respect and im collectin cheques , 1's
5's 10's and 20's , a hundred G's and im pullin honeys"
Can anyone spell W-A-C-K ?
>
> Next thing you know, he's screaming Irish pride and coming with
>an accent that he didn't have the first few times I heard him. I'm not
>trying to say he's fake or whatever, but the change was kind of extreme
>to me. And the music was nothing special. "Jump Around" was nothing
>special.
Your not saying hes fake? Why not ? You cant get much faker than him ,
that mo'fucker isnt even IRISH according to an interview i read , where he
clearly states he knows nothing about the IRA or anything about Irish politics
hes been to Ireland ONCE , and hes only like 1/8th Irish .
As far as other white hip-hop artists, I remember the first time
>I saw 3rd Bass. Tight as hell. They got respect for simply being good
>MCs with good tracks. Yeah, Serch's haircut with the 3 shaved in it was
>too much, but they put out a good product.
>
What? Beasties are wack but Third Bass is "tight as hell" ? They couldnt
even diss well , which is about all they ever did . Oh no not the gasface!
MC Serch , reminds me of these Wu-Rider guys , spend so much time and
energy dissin that they straight up play themselves out . Remember "Pop
goes the Weasel"?
Slacks
>White or black, wack is wack, shit is as simple as that. Hammer,
>pleeeeease that fool has not dropped ANYTHING worthy ever. Vanilla, shit
>that fool is probably selling hot dogs or shit out front of Joe Robbi.
>Who was one of Nas' producers on Illmatic, MC Serch. 3rd Bass was a nice
>group back in 89, no doubt. If you put out weak shit, I don't care if
>your ass is purple, weak lyrics, weak beats, weak production, plain old
>shit. Weak product sees no colour period.
>
Tyler Blohm
>Tyler, if you want me to remember the original white rappers then I think
>I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
First of all my bad for posting the article twice...server's been
buggy lately. But...I wouldn't call that Blondie rap even a rap...it
was pretty pathetic IMO..."The man from Mars started eatin' cars...he
ate the cars, now he's eatin' bars..." sounds like she was trying to
sound "down"...plus, Blondie shouldn't be considered rap because of
one song they did.
>8{>
>jabari
Donnie H. Kwak
: What? Beasties are wack but Third Bass is "tight as hell" ? They couldnt
: even diss well , which is about all they ever did . Oh no not the gasface!
: MC Serch , reminds me of these Wu-Rider guys , spend so much time and
: energy dissin that they straight up play themselves out . Remember "Pop
: goes the Weasel"?
obviously, you only heard the released singles. check the first album's
obscure tracks for complex lyrics. "product of the environment", "wordz
of wizdom", etc. "gasface" was only a dis to hammer in the video.
pete nice and serch came up with nice, nice lyrics. plus, if not
for serch, hip-hop would not have nas or o.c. so wipe ya mouf
Morten Kollstrom
>
> >Tyler, if you want me to remember the original white rappers then I think
> >I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
>
> started rap. After getting over my initial urge to strangle they
> dumb-asses & put em outta their misery I explain that Blondie, open after
> peeping Fab 5 Freddy, decided to do a rap. Now, If anyone here has heard
> this "Rap" in the song "Rapture", they will realize that she in no way
> influenced the youngsters in the ghetto to pick up a mic. She just strung
> together some words that happened to rhyme & in true white liberal fashion
> accepted mad praise for being so "open-minded". The shit was a travesty to
> this art form yet she gets mad credit. Please don't mark me for a racist
> but you have to admit, if Jimi Hendrix had come that wack on his guitar,
> would he have been praised for being "open-minded" or would he have been
> told to form an R&B group & prance around & spin like The Temptations?
Blondie was hardly a rap act. I claim that Rapture was a rap song, though. The
lyrics wasn't worse than most other rap songs at the time, eg X-Mas Rapping and
Rappers Delight. The fact that Grandmaster Flash chose to include Rapture in the
hip hop anthem Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel also
indicates that the song actually was considered to be rap at the time.
That's just my opionion, though...
Groove on!
Morten
***Marbles***
Like I said, I'm not going to call Everlast fake because I don't
know a damn thing about his heritage. If he's not I rish then he's
fraudulent. if he is Irish, the OK. I'm not commenting because I don't
know.
As far as the Beasties go, I realize that they were a punk band
first and that influenced their "Licensed To Ill" very much. Fine. I
didn't say that they were wack. I just said that the punk thing wasn't
for me. I'll admit that they were influential but they weren't my
thing. Stop putting words in my mouth. If anything, HOP was wacker than
the Beasties.
Here's where you took my words accurately. Yep, I liked 3rd Bass
better than the Beasties. Call it personal choice. Stop being so sensitive.
Perry Fect
: -Kev- <kard...@Meena.CC.URegina.CA> wrote:
: >On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, The BAD GUY, aThoL wrote:
: >> I'm not playing no race card either. And if you want to know who sets the
: >> standard, it's our North American Western society that has set it. Not
: >> that we have to follow it, mind you, but take a reality check holmes. And
: >> I still maintain that if you're white and wack you will get more leeway
: >> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
: >
: >aThoL, at first I agreed with your last statement, but after thinking
: >about it, I'm not so sure. I think that _used_ to be the case a few
: >years ago, but things have changed. After embarrassments like Vanilla
: >Wafer, NKOTB, Marky Mark, Icy Blu, etc., many labels are reluctant to
: >even _touch_ a "white" artist. Seems to me they get less respect now
: >than they ever did, because they're generally regarded as fads, and as
: >such aren't even good for flash-in-the-pan success anymore.
: >
: >> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
: >> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
: >> etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
: >
: >I have no idea what the volume ratio would be, but if you accept the high
: >percentage of sales generally attributed to "whites," wouldn't you think
: >there'd be a lot of them trying to break into the biz?
: >
: White or black, wack is wack, shit is as simple as that. Hammer,
it's all bullshit i could count the white rap acts on my hand! there's
no way you can tell me that white rap artists get more leeway. wack
artists get more leeway if anything. hammer, busta rhymes, vanilla ice,
snoop, all fucking wack but get fucking airplay.
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"rappin" before the Beastie Boys. And they sold hella records. My point is
this: If I'm going to credit any white folks with breaking rap out the
ghetto, it wouldn't be Beastie Boys. They get too much credit for doing
too little. They weren't "the first" and they ain't neva been "the best".
In all seriousness, how many people do you know who would say "I got
inspired to rap cos of the Beastie Boys"?. Prolly not too many. THAT is a
test of a groups influence on a culture.
Now stack that up against: Public Enemy, Kurtis, SugarHill, GM Flash and
the F5, Lyte, RunDMC, Rakim, Kris, LL, Shante, Kool Moe, Big Daddy Kane,
Latifah, and on and on... the message is clear.
2) I'll give some white muthafuckas hip hop props when I get my 40 acres
and a fuckin mule (figuratively and literally). Till then, this shit is
OURS!
End of Discussion
8{>
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David A. Alvaro
: ad...@sirius.com (ADISA) wrote:
: >Tyler, if you want me to remember the original white rappers then I think
: >I'll go way back to Blondie and Rapture.
: First of all my bad for posting the article twice...server's been
soren
> : > are irish,only white group thats good,that i can think of is ICP
You dumbass ... the Irish are about as white as they come.
soren
Perry Fect
> (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
> alt.rap)
>
> 1) I know that Blondie aint rap but they was a punk group that tried
> "rappin" before the Beastie Boys. And they sold hella records. My point is
> this: If I'm going to credit any white folks with breaking rap out the
> ghetto, it wouldn't be Beastie Boys. They get too much credit for doing
> too little. They weren't "the first" and they ain't neva been "the best".
what kind of credit do they get? they're a good group and alot of people
don't even consider them rap (i do). so i don't know what you're talking
about. but the beastie boys were one of the first groups to inject rock
into rap (along with run-dmc, llcoolj, and whodini) so they do deserve
credit for that.
> 2) I'll give some white muthafuckas hip hop props when I get my 40 acres
> and a fuckin mule (figuratively and literally). Till then, this shit is
> OURS!
it ain't nobody's you fuck. if you can catch the vibe you catch it. if
you don't you don't. "we" invented rock and roll but look how many white
people are doing that now and doing it well. hell white rock and roll as
a whole has more soul and energy than soul music right now. some notable
exceptions are lenny kravitz, seal and prince. and black people totally
ignore these guys who are basically the only black musicians with
originality and aren't afraid to typecast themselves into that sorry shit
they call r&b.
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Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
insaine"
TOE UP3344
>hip hop anthem Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel
also
>indicates that the song actually was considered to be rap at the time.
Nah. It just proves Grandmaster Flash knows how to market a product.
Redz
"Legalize & I'll advertise"
-Keith Murray
"Black and White got game. If you came to the jam, well I'm glad ya came"
-Tribe
"It's not about the clothes that ya have on your back, but the money in
your pocket & are you down like that"
-Nonchalant
"Like bartenders mix liquor, I serve you over the rocks
feed you to my block
now time to click triggers"
-Redman
TOE UP3344
Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
insaine"
Hold up right there my nigga. Since when has the word: "nigga" been
defined as "A Black Person"?
Redz
"Legalize & I'll advertise"
-Keith Murray
"Black and White got game. If you came to the jam, well I'm glad ya came"
-Tribe
"It's not about the clothes that ya have on your back, but the money in
your pocket & are you down like that"
-Nonchalant
"Like bartenders mix liquor,
I'll serve you over the rocks, feed you to my block
Murphurd Warrior God of Courage
> Not really.
been tryin' to front like they're black. They all talk some rap bullshit
about the geto and shit, and it ain't real. Nobody decent likes frontin'
ass bullshit. peep the example (and excuse me if a "black" word seeps into
my vocab. here as I'm about to admit my race):
I'm a white rapper (rapper? I dunno...I guess you'd call me a rapper), with
a black, and decidedly racist fiancee...but, she respects me. Why? My music
deals with my heart, and what I understand. I think even the most hardcore
of mother fuckers that wanna' talk about "white people shouldn't do this or
that" would respect shit a lot more if it was real. 'Course, there will
still be those who'll say "rap is black, white people step" and shit, but
we all know that people fought and died for years and years to oppose the
notion...what am I saying? They're still fighting and dying to oppose the
notion that people should be told "you can't do this 'cause of the color of
your skin" funny thing is though, I've never heard a white rapper that I
respected, and I'm white (and been through enough to stop being a real
liberal type sympethizer busta). 'Course I don't respect the fool black
rappers who fake either. And there's plenty. Maybe somebody oughtta' post
a) the worst white rapper ever (my vote, vanilla ice) and b) the rare
white rapper who didn't fake. Hopefully, the second won't be posted...I'd
like to be the first *grin* At any rate, fakeness is the real issue, and
more people (more black people too) should realize that ideal. Fuck the
fake, the mask, the front. (you know as I think...in my early days of
writin' rhymes and beats and shit, I was tryin' to be black...ahh lucky
those songs are bad enough that I ain't releasin' 'em now :) )
anyway, peace
Murph
http://www.unm.edu/~murphurd/nquit.html (I put this url on because I
need the exposure...we're releasing hopefully this summer)
Murphurd Warrior God of Courage
>>> (which may translate into record sales) than a black artist.
say, from my fiancee if you're white. Might get a ton from Newt
Gankrich. Although...you'd get no leeway as a black wack from my fiancee
either, cuz she'd talk about being fake, or trying to be white. The
problem: People are making this ALL a color thing. It depends on WHO
you're dealing with and WHO you are.
>>> Yeah, they are probably more Black hip hoppers who are wack, but that's
>>> b/c of volume. Explain to me why people like Icy blu, Jesse Jaymes,
>>> etc. got signed ahead of other talented Black artists?
explain to me why ANYBODY gets fucking signed? It ain't about talent.
It's contacts, and bullshit. Look at any genre, most of the hits are
BULLSHIT. I almost wanted to say white label execs don't sign people cuz
of race, but I can't trust anybody in a suit and tie, so I'm taking that
back for a while.
>White or black, wack is wack, shit is as simple as that. Hammer,
>pleeeeease that fool has not dropped ANYTHING worthy ever. Vanilla, shit
>that fool is probably selling hot dogs or shit out front of Joe Robbi.
>Who was one of Nas' producers on Illmatic, MC Serch. 3rd Bass was a nice
>group back in 89, no doubt. If you put out weak shit, I don't care if
>your ass is purple, weak lyrics, weak beats, weak production, plain old
>shit. Weak product sees no colour period.
God I wish more people would say tha
I agree...or at least it should be. But everything is color. Fucking
tragedy. Oh well...know what I do? Make my own damn shit, and only buy
the shit that I like. In fact, I won't buy it if I don't hear it
anymore. I dubbed Vanilla Bitch back in 90 or something. Liked it then,
but realized the wack.
Murphurd Warrior God of Courage
>embarrassments and look more at the trends. If everyone (down or not)
>said that NKOTB were wack, but NKOTB were still selling, I don't think
>the record companies would mind. I think that it's the combination of
they wouldn't mind. ;)
>I don't know...buying something doesn't mean that you want to get into
>it. When I was talking about volume, I was talking about the number of
>white hip hop artists 2 black hip hop artists. I'm figuring more blacks
>than whites want 2 get into the game, but I could be wrong.
I can field this question...it's a matter of human nature. Most people
know their "place" and won't do anything to break the mold. Big problem
in the world. Everyone thinks they can't can't can't (even a big black
problem). I *almost* respect white rappers for trying to break the
mold...but like I posted before, I've never heard a real one, so almost
doesn't make it..no respect :)
>"You have to stand for something or else you will fall for everything"
good quote
ADISA
UP3344) wrote:
~|Hold up right there my nigga. Since when has the word: "nigga" been
~|defined as "A Black Person"?
~|
~|
~|
~|Redz
Well, I wasn't there, but rumor has it that it started, um, a long time ago.
--Negus = King (Amharic)
Maybe the Europeans heard there were a lot of "Negus" (kings) in Africa
but didn't understand.
--Niger/Nigeria = regions in "Africa"
Maybe the Europeans thought we all came from this region and failed to
pronounce it correctly.
--Nigger/Negro/Nigga... = They all refer to dark skinned people.
Negro is a simple Latin word meaning black. Not necessarily Black.
Nigga is simply a translation of the word truncated by slangspeak.
But seriously, has there ever been any doubt that "nigga" referred
(unfavorably) to Black people?
I recall seeing this Street Outreach Term Sheet from these folks in
Seattle. The terms were supposed to familiarize the Outreach Workers with
the slang kicked on the streets so they wouldn't be clueless. They did
outreach to youngstas.
Some of the words were:
Strawberry = trades sex for crack (nobody uses this anymore)
Grinding = Sells dope
Spot = turf
It was silly as hell. But the clincher for me was:
Nigga = A person
I nearly died laughing. I could imagine some clueless outreach worker
going on the street, seeing some brotha and going "excuse me nigga, do you
need some free condoms". And the beatdown that is sure to follow.
Serves them right for not respecting our history. Good and Bad.
lo-kal
>
>
> Blondie was hardly a rap act. I claim that Rapture was a rap song, though. The
> lyrics wasn't worse than most other rap songs at the time, eg X-Mas Rapping and
> Rappers Delight. The fact that Grandmaster Flash chose to include Rapture in the
> hip hop anthem Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel also
> indicates that the song actually was considered to be rap at the time.
>
> That's just my opionion, though...
>
> Groove on!
> Morten
Lo-kal wrote:
Just because the record featured on "The adventure of Grand Master
Flash..." doesn't mean it was a rap track. Is "another one bites the
dust" by Queen a rap song??? DJ's back in the day were opin to all kinds
of music, not just hip-hop.
get off that bullshucks please
lo-kal
capital P
5grand
mcarpent
OK ill check it out , i got it around somewhere.
Broadcaster
>
>Morten Kollstrom wrote:
>> Blondie was hardly a rap act. I claim that Rapture was a rap song,
>>though. The lyrics wasn't worse than most other rap songs at the time,
>>The fact that Grandmaster Flash chose to include Rapture in the
>>hip hop anthem Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel
>Lo-kal wrote:
>Just because the record featured on "The adventure of Grand Master
>Flash..." doesn't mean it was a rap track. Is "another one bites the
>dust" by Queen a rap song???
Maybe it was considered a rap track b/c she rapped (as in talked
rhythmically)? The Queen tune was used for it's bassline, not the vocal
performance...
>DJ's back in the day were opin to all kinds of music, not just hip-hop.
I think that today’s situation where people "only" listen to hip-hop will
be the death of hip-hop music, unless the producers continue to listen to
other grooves.
By only listening to one kind of music, you only put limits to the
creativity. At first someone down with hip-hop could listen to everything
(the old school days), then all of a sudden some other music forms where
taboo (the new school era), now Swing Beat, R&B and some rap elements no
longer are OK to listen to for a "true hip-hop head" (the coast days).
What's next? Is a certain drumpatterna or vocal style gonna be dumped
into the area of "no-no's"? In the end we gonna have just one tune...!
Personally I can't stand the Jungle stuff, since I think that just like
the DJ collage scene a few years back (Bomb the bass, M/A/R/R/R/S, etc.),
it's MOSTLY a non-hip-hop fad.... BUT, I think it's good for the hip-hop
community.
Peace.
Broadcaster D.
Wax Crackers Ink & Underground Productions (Sweden).
Slacks
>
>
>
> Like I said, I'm not going to call Everlast fake because I don't
>know a damn thing about his heritage. If he's not I rish then he's
>fraudulent. if he is Irish, the OK. I'm not commenting because I don't
>know.
>
> As far as the Beasties go, I realize that they were a punk band
>first and that influenced their "Licensed To Ill" very much. Fine. I
>didn't say that they were wack. I just said that the punk thing wasn't
>for me. I'll admit that they were influential but they weren't my
>thing. Stop putting words in my mouth. If anything, HOP was wacker than
>the Beasties.
>
> Here's where you took my words accurately. Yep, I liked 3rd Bass
>better than the Beasties. Call it personal choice. Stop being so sensitive.
Oh ok ill try , but its been rough these past few nights , ive been
crying and sobbing and shaking and peeing a lot ever since you hurt my
feelings like that ! Oh you are a bad bad man!!
-Slacks
mcarpent
>
>1) I know that Blondie aint rap but they was a punk group that tried
>"rappin" before the Beastie Boys. And they sold hella records. My point is
>this: If I'm going to credit any white folks with breaking rap out the
>ghetto, it wouldn't be Beastie Boys. They get too much credit for doing
>too little. They weren't "the first" and they ain't neva been "the best".
>
>inspired to rap cos of the Beastie Boys"?. Prolly not too many. THAT is a
>test of a groups influence on a culture.
>
>Now stack that up against: Public Enemy, Kurtis, SugarHill, GM Flash and
>the F5, Lyte, RunDMC, Rakim, Kris, LL, Shante, Kool Moe, Big Daddy Kane,
>Latifah, and on and on... the message is clear.
>
>and a fuckin mule (figuratively and literally). Till then, this shit is
>OURS!
>
and british knights. Like I said , nobodies more militant than the fakes.
Flame on.
Jesse A McDonald
: Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
: insaine"
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Jesse A McDonald
: Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
: insaine"
: defined as "A Black Person"?
Since the word was invented! It's corruption of "negro", which
is Spanish for the color black! Nowadays, though, I'd say anyone under
$20,000 per annum gets to be a nigga if they want.
Perry Fect
: I think that today’s situation where people "only" listen to hip-hop will
: be the death of hip-hop music, unless the producers continue to listen to
: other grooves.
word word word. all r&b suffers from this dilema. you can listen to 70s
"black" music and you could hear rock, rap, funk, soul, disco, folk,
etc. but now it's the same played shit we've been hearing since 1989.
most "black" music is really "white" music nowadays: polished, refined
bullshit. there's no soul in black music as a whole. rap sucks as a
whole. tribe called quest is the only group i can really say is still
original. krs one is to an extent but i hate him cuz he's a hypocrite.
but he can rap still.
: By only listening to one kind of music, you only put limits to the
: creativity. At first someone down with hip-hop could listen to everything
: (the old school days), then all of a sudden some other music forms where
: taboo (the new school era), now Swing Beat, R&B and some rap elements no
: longer are OK to listen to for a "true hip-hop head" (the coast days).
: What's next? Is a certain drumpatterna or vocal style gonna be dumped
: into the area of "no-no's"? In the end we gonna have just one tune...!
it's already happening! how many times do i have to hear about rubbing
some bitches booty. i used to buy more rap than anything but last year i
think i bought maybe 3 rap albums and the other 20+ were rock or old soul.
: Personally I can't stand the Jungle stuff, since I think that just like
: the DJ collage scene a few years back (Bomb the bass, M/A/R/R/R/S, etc.),
: it's MOSTLY a non-hip-hop fad.... BUT, I think it's good for the hip-hop
: community.
it would be cool to hear some industrial in rap. bring back rock into
rap like run-dmc.
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check out derelicts of dialect which i thought was better. the remix
album was really good too.
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In article <4ki6l1$7...@mn5.swip.net>,
Broadcaster <andrea...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
>>DJ's back in the day were opin to all kinds of music, not just hip-hop.
>
>I think that today’s situation where people "only" listen to hip-hop will
>be the death of hip-hop music, unless the producers continue to listen to
>other grooves.
ha. i think that a lot of times, the 'fans turned musicians' can be
the problem...for some reason, they don't realize that the folks layin
down the ill tracks are the ones that listen to all types of stuff.
that's what puttin' beats down is about...i admit i don't like Dr. Dre's
stuff at all (lyrically), but with his earlier work on NWA, you could
see where he was coming from...he listened to alot of the stuff from
way back, not just rap/r&b or whatever...my man KRS...you could TELL
he listened to everything under the sun...Smoke In the water (or something...
sampled in 'ya slipin')...some old bebop tune (still #1), Paul McCartny
& Wings!! (Criminal Minded)
i could sit down & talk to some youngster about some stuff, & they be
like "ah, they got that off of tupac" or something...i mean the level
of ignorance is frightening...they can't even go back to beyond when
a song first came out, they think that the rapper was the original one
to come up with it! so it's like all the kids coming up are being
fed on hiphop, so all the r&bull that's coming out jacks hip hop beats,
lack originality (no one sits down, comes from their heart, practices
in the basement, etc... i remember the mad days of summer around the
hood at my house or others hearing the 'older kids' playing that unadulterated
FUNK...real drums, bass guitars, the lee guitar, etc...always booming from
the basements of the neighborhood), and have the same old lyrics
'do me, or whatever' (it all sounds the same to me, like most hip hop
'out there')
the technology ain't helpin' we got kids buyin these break records
& rappin' over 'em, or some latest CD with break beats, just sampled
straight through, or the latest dr-dre patches for your synth...not
saying that the technology itself is bad, but it seems to be fostering
some kind of lack of creativity on our part.
>By only listening to one kind of music, you only put limits to the
>creativity. At first someone down with hip-hop could listen to everything
>(the old school days), then all of a sudden some other music forms where
>taboo (the new school era), now Swing Beat, R&B and some rap elements no
>longer are OK to listen to for a "true hip-hop head" (the coast days).
that's why i don't even really roll w/ socalled 'true heads' (whatever
that may be, maybe i do?) anymore...all this pressure to be 'true'...
i mean, when i'm rolling, i want to be able to bump some old school
stuff (with the guitars, horns, etc...BANDS) just as loud as i boom my
peace586...
just venting, i guess, it's been awhile since i've been up in r.m.h-hop...
good discussion going!
it's all gonna burn anyway,
j.
(followups to rec.music.hip-hop...get your ISP off his rear & tell him
to carry it)
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Kasper
White rappers seem to feel the need to either rap about killing mutha fuckas or they
gotta dance around lookin' like idiots to fit in with the music. I don't. I am a White
male who disses gangsta rap, does not dance, but comes with shit from the heart. I was
born and raised in the predominantly Black city of Inglewood, California, and have been
rapping since I was 12. I'm 16 now, and I think that I have what it takes to compete
with any rapper, (excluding Aceyalone and Saafir, cause they the motha fuckas), White or
Black, and blow many out the water. I can freestyle, write, make beats, and it all comes
from the chest. I don't rap about slangin', bangin', or bitches and hoes, like most
white "rappers" (can they eally be called rappers) feel that they HAVE to do to make
money. Anyway, just thought I'd share my opinion, and yes, I feel that 99% of white
"rappers" are jankie.
-Peace
Kasper
"Men are murdered, women raped/
People gettin' beat on video tape/
And people elsewhere tryin' to escape/
Just to come to America to lick the plate."-Aceyalone, "Headaches and Woes"
Nafis M. Abdullah I wrote:
>
> How can you say this shit with a straight face? That's like
> trying to justify that height doesn't matter in the NBA by using Spud
> and Muggsy as your examples. "Hey, Avery J. dishes 10 assists a game!
> How many 7-footers can do that? There's plenty of tall guys that can't
> play worth shit! Height shouldn't be a factor! Let's all get along!" How
> ridiculous. And if you don't see the analogy, don't reply just to reply
> or because your feelings are hurt. I just can't see any argument where
> the basis is that color doesn't matter when it comes to emceeing. I
> admit, in theory, hey, sounds great and completely plausible. But in
> actuality, which is all that matters, nope, sorry, not true, end of
> story. Then again, if you have poor taste in music, then you can't see
> me anyway, so that ends it right there.
> Let's take the basketball analogy further. The US has the best hoopers
> in the world. If you dispute this, you're a damn fool. No one knows why
> this is so. Maybe because basketball started here. Maybe not. I don't
> know. Now it sounds perfectly logical to say that it doesn't matter where
> you're born. If you're inherently skilled at basketball, then you'll be
> good, regardless of location. In actuality this is not so. Granted, in a few
> cases, this is true (Hakeem, Mutombo, etc) but on the whole, American
> ballers destroy anybody else in this piece. Fucking NBA scrubs go to
> Europe and are fucking superstars. Shit, I think that our high school
> ballers are better than the pros anywhere, but that's off the subject. You
> gonna tell me there's a muhfucka in Bangledesh that could fade Mike?
> Hell naw. I probably lost half of y'all, so i'ma chill but take it back
> around to where I came from and knowledge what I'm saying.
> -----
> Nafis Munir Abdullah
> nmab...@students.uiuc.edu
> Free Brother Mumia Abu-Jamal and all political prisoners!
> Peace to the Original Man of the Planet Earth!
> "Herb - the healing of a nation. Keep you healthy, mind clear.
> The more people smoke herb, the more Babylon fall..."
> -Robert Nesta Marley
> "I need a new nig for this black cloud to follow,
> Cause while it's over me, it's too dark to see tomorrow..."
> -Escobar
> "I can take a phrase that's rarely heard,
> Flip it, now it's a daily word.."
> -Rakim Allah
Nick Clement
: : Correction on cypress hill 3rd cd b real said lots of time hes a "nigga"
: : Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
: : insaine"
: : Hold up right there my nigga. Since when has the word: "nigga" been
: : defined as "A Black Person"?
: Since the word was invented! It's corruption of "negro", which
: is Spanish for the color black! Nowadays, though, I'd say anyone under
: $20,000 per annum gets to be a nigga if they want.
Ya, I personally take the word nigga and nigger as two different
meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of a
word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
Quiz
no dissrespect... your opinin is your opinion. but one of my pet peeves is
when white rappers come out flaunting the fact that they are white. eg:
naming youself "Kasper"... might as well be "Vanilla Ice"... same shit...
peace
quiz
Nick Dietz
Well, if you are white, you can't really use the word 'nigga' to refer to
yourself, so therefore it can't _simply_ mean 'friend' or someone who's
'down with you'. It is rediculous for a white person to be calling people
'nigga' and expect nobody to take offense.
If you are black, however, you can call people (including oneself) either
nigga or nigger, and then a distinction must be made: Both words refer to
black persons. The former can be used by a black person to identify a
friend. If this friend is white, the term is purely figurative. The word
nigger, however used in opposition to nigga is always derogatory.
Some white people use the words in the exact same sense as I just
described. This seems resonable, except that it is very easy for confusion
to arise.
Nick.
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Julian Karst
fuck Kasper. House of Pain is one rocking band. These guys are fucking
criminals but this guy bunches HoP with Vanilla Ice and Snow.
Quiz
if you could maybe make what the fuck you are saying a little cleared I might
be able to understabnd why you just said that. What relation does House of
Pain have to the above commentary? (apart from the fact they are white) How
did anybody say they (HoP) were like Vanilla Ice or Snow? (the latter of which
beleive it or not I have some respect for... but that's another story...
peace
quizstill can't stand the name though)
Loklass
>Anyway, just thought I'd share my opinion, and yes, I feel that 99% of
white
>"rappers" are jankie.
I thought "jankie" meant dope. I think you meant to say booty. Hahah..
Peace
Loklass
El Papichulo Cubano
Kasper
"booty" as you put it. : ) In Southern Cali, it does mean dope. Sorry for the
misunderstanding. Peace
-Kasper
Kasper
>
> >In article <4krfr4$h...@tribune.concentric.net>, Kasper <kasper@yomama'shouse.com> wrote:
> >>Hella good points. But, I need to elaborate in what I feel.
> >>White rappers seem to feel the need to either rap about killing mutha fuckas or
> >> they
> >>gotta dance around lookin' like idiots to fit in with the music. I don't. I am
> >> a White
> >>male who disses gangsta rap, does not dance, but comes with shit from the
> >> heart. I was
> >>born and raised in the predominantly Black city of Inglewood, California, and
> >> have been
> >>rapping since I was 12. I'm 16 now, and I think that I have what it takes to
> >> compete
> >>with any rapper, (excluding Aceyalone and Saafir, cause they the motha fuckas),
> >> White or
> >>Black, and blow many out the water. I can freestyle, write, make beats, and it
> >> all comes
> >>from the chest. I don't rap about slangin', bangin', or bitches and hoes, like
> >> most
> >>white "rappers" (can they eally be called rappers) feel that they HAVE to do to
> >> make
> >> white
> >>"rappers" are jankie.
> >>-Peace
> >>Kasper
>
> >no dissrespect... your opinin is your opinion. but one of my pet peeves is
> >when white rappers come out flaunting the fact that they are white. eg:
> >naming youself "Kasper"... might as well be "Vanilla Ice"... same shit...
>
> fuck Kasper. House of Pain is one rocking band. These guys are fucking
> criminals but this guy bunches HoP with Vanilla Ice and Snow.
Ha! Shit, I was waiting for some shit like this. There hasn't been a white rapper or rap
group to come out and make it big who has real product, real flow. House of Pain did
Irish bullshit, Vanilla Ice danced around like an ass, and Snow's a reggae artist FROM
TORONTO?!?!?! How the fuck??
Besides, you just helped me prove one of my points... look at the crowd that White
rappers attract... House of Pain is a "rocking band"?? C'mon, now, since when did any of
the members of HoP pick up an instrument. Besides, "rocking band" isn't quite rap slang.
Go back to listening to Metallica. : )
Peace (But how long will it take?)
-Kasper
Julian Karst
>>>no dissrespect... your opinin is your opinion. but one of my pet peeves is
>>>when white rappers come out flaunting the fact that they are white. eg:
>>>naming youself "Kasper"... might as well be "Vanilla Ice"... same shit...
>>
>>fuck Kasper. House of Pain is one rocking band. These guys are fucking
>>criminals but this guy bunches HoP with Vanilla Ice and Snow.
>>
>>
>if you could maybe make what the fuck you are saying a little cleared I might
>be able to understabnd why you just said that. What relation does House of
>Pain have to the above commentary? (apart from the fact they are white) How
>did anybody say they (HoP) were like Vanilla Ice or Snow? (the latter of which
>beleive it or not I have some respect for... but that's another story...
After reading what I wrote, you are right, it makes no fucking sense
whatsoever. What I meant to say, is that House of Pain aren't some phony
suburban church boys with nasty lyrics. They are actual criminals and live
how they rap. As for snow, he is Canadian with a disgusting accent (I'm
refering to at least his first album, haven't heard the second) which doesn't
sound as shitty as it comes accross (how's THAT for making sense?!)
>peace
>quizstill can't stand the name though)
Damn rights. Snow = white. Sick of that kinda crap myself too.
Anthony Chapman
<perf...@callnet.com> writes
>
>: Personally I can't stand the Jungle stuff, since I think that just like
>: the DJ collage scene a few years back (Bomb the bass, M/A/R/R/R/S, etc.),
>: it's MOSTLY a non-hip-hop fad.... BUT, I think it's good for the hip-hop
>: community.
>
Here in the UK, people who were saying this two years ago, now proclaim
Jungle as the most forward looking & exciting musical genre. I think
it's just a case of getting tuned in to it.
>it would be cool to hear some industrial in rap. bring back rock into
>rap like run-dmc.
NO NO NO! Jeezus, If I hear someone say "Industrial" when they actually
mean "Goth Heavy Metal" once more I'm gonna SCREAM. I suppose when you
say Industrial, you mean NIN, Nitzer Ebb, Filter etc. Industrial music
means Throbbing Gristle, SPK, early Laibach, early Coil etc. Now THAT's
FUCKIN' HEAVY SHIT, not NIN with their HM + Drum machine bullshit.
Don't get me wrong, I don't actually enjoy listening to TG & SPK, it's
just that NIN etc wouldn't know the meaning of Industrial if it kicked
the asses.
I'm all for open-mindedness within rap/hip-hop, but when was the last
time you heard a rap/rock band who weren't wack as hell. DogEatDog?
That shit is wack like a fozzie joke. "Can't nobody rock a mic like
me..." - I'm sure glad about that, Mr Dog. Run DMC & Beasties were the
last people to do this with any style. RATM are a fine rock band, but
only a rock band.
Peace, my man!
BIG Ant Chapman.
"Dogfood is as dogfood does; Whole countries are dying for us, you know."
ADISA
<kasper@yomama'shouse.com> wrote:
~|Actually, no, Loklass, Jankie has two meanings. In most areas, jankie
means flawed, bad,
~|"booty" as you put it. : ) In Southern Cali, it does mean dope. Sorry for the
~|misunderstanding. Peace
That's "dope" the noun not "dope" the adjective. i.e. drugs
Perry Fect
: Nick Clement wrote:
: >
: > Jesse A McDonald (ad...@ccn.cs.dal.ca) wrote:
: > Ya, I personally take the word nigga and nigger as two different
: > meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of a
: > word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
: Well, if you are white, you can't really use the word 'nigga' to refer to
: yourself, so therefore it can't _simply_ mean 'friend' or someone who's
: 'down with you'. It is rediculous for a white person to be calling people
: 'nigga' and expect nobody to take offense.
you must not have seen pulp fiction.
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TOE UP3344
: > Ya, I personally take the word nigga and nigger as two
different
: > meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of
a
>: > word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
>: Well, if you are white, you can't really use the word 'nigga' to refer
to
>: yourself, so therefore it can't _simply_ mean 'friend' or someone who's
>: down with you'. It is rediculous for a white person to be calling
people
>: 'nigga' and expect nobody to take offense.
>you must not have seen pulp fiction.
Maaaaaan, I call my white friends nigga all the time & they call me the
same thing. See, words can't hurt a nigga, son. Now it's when hands get
put on bodies that offense gets taken. And yes, if a strange White called
me Nigger it'd be on, but if he called me Nigga I'd probably just shake my
head & see where he was coming from. Probably just a wannabe like so many
others.
Redz
"Legalize & I'll advertise"
-Keith Murray
"Black and White got game. If you came to the jam, well I'm glad ya came"
-Tribe
"It's not about the clothes that ya have on your back, but the money in
your pocket & are you down like that"
-Nonchalant
"I can't be stopped cause I gotta come thru, ain't got no gun but I got my
crew"
-Goodie Mob
Kris Schumacher
Perry Fect <perf...@callnet.com> wrote:
>Nick Dietz (n-d...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: Nick Clement wrote:
>: >
>: > Ya, I personally take the word nigga and nigger as two different
>: > meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of a
>: > word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
>
>: Well, if you are white, you can't really use the word 'nigga' to refer to
>: yourself, so therefore it can't _simply_ mean 'friend' or someone who's
>: 'down with you'. It is rediculous for a white person to be calling people
>: 'nigga' and expect nobody to take offense.
>
>
>you must not have seen pulp fiction.
>
people I know use 'nigga' to refer to both white and black people, I mean
'nigger' originally as a word had nothing to do with black people.
Obviously it had a lot to do with them in one sad and long period of
American History, but words evolve into different meanings. Just because
one word meant something once doesn't mean it always will. 'Dude'
originally meant 'Fag', and it still says that in the dictionary, but it
clearly means something else now. I personally don't use the word,
because I can't picture myself saying it and not sounding offencive...
though I could use it jokingly with a black freind.. so therefore it's
not the word that's offencive, but the intent. I don't think it's fully
evolved into a new meaning yet, because it's often times used with an
understanding of it's one time racist meaning.. Soon, however, with the
popularity of the word among corporate hip hop, it may change fully.
--KA$
ADISA
Did our folks, in the past, die so that a white person could call us
whatever name they wanted to simply based on one individuals (yours) idea
of what is acceptable? Or what kinda music they listened to?
Draw the line thicker than that bruh... Don't let NO white folks call you
nuthin that ain't yo name.
TOE UP3344
>Did our folks, in the past, die so that a white person could call us
>whatever name they wanted to simply based on one individuals (yours) idea
>of what is acceptable? Or what kinda music they listened to?
>Draw the line thicker than that bruh... Don't let NO white folks call you
>nuthin that ain't yo name.
Fuck a name...if I fought everybody who called me out of my name I'd be
one fightin nigga. Listen my brother, my people died so I could go to
equal schools & universities. My people died so we could eat at the same
restaraunts. My people died so we could drink out of the same damn water
faucets. My people died so we could have a choice of where to sit on a
damn bus. My people died so that it wouldn't be socially acceptable to
lynch a Black man because he looked at a White woman a little too long.
Damn a name, they can't hurt me with that. But when you start interferring
with me or my family's right to an education or a decent meal, it's on.
Jesse A McDonald
: : : Also remeber insaine in the brain...."cuz a nigga like me is going
: : : insaine"
: : : Hold up right there my nigga. Since when has the word: "nigga" been
: : : defined as "A Black Person"?
: : Since the word was invented! It's corruption of "negro", which
: : is Spanish for the color black! Nowadays, though, I'd say anyone under
: : $20,000 per annum gets to be a nigga if they want.
: meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of a
: word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
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Jesse A McDonald
: > meanings. nigger is a racist word for a black person, nigga more of a
: > word 'down person' or 'friend' please if anyone disagrees respond.
: yourself, so therefore it can't _simply_ mean 'friend' or someone who's
Queen of England, and if I defined the Queen of England as being me,
then I would be right.
: 'down with you'. It is rediculous for a white person to be calling people
: 'nigga' and expect nobody to take offense.
That's where the problem lies... reception.
Jesse A McDonald
: TORONTO?!?!?! How the fuck??
it's not where he's from that does it.