Tommy, I knew him when
Tom Clancy
This post is a lie from beginning to end. First of all, I was never a
claims adjustor. In 1983 I owned my own independent insurance agency,
which means that I sold and serviced policies for my cleints (about 1,200
of them), but did not adjust claims, which was a company function.
Second, I completed the Red October manuscript on 27 February 1983, as a
result of which I would have had little to learn from this Giwer person.
Third, this clown doesn't know insurance coverage at all. "Additional
Living Expense" is a specified coverage on a standard Homeowners policy,
the amount for which is 10% of the insured value of the house, and for
which the agent himself has draft authority (at least I did--"draft
authority" means that I as an agent had the right to issue an emergency
check to the named insured).
Fourth, when fraud in a claim is suspected, it's reported to the police,
as it is both a local and federal violation. Agents and adjustors are very
careful in such cases for obvious reasons. If you charge it but cannot
prove it, you end up buying about ten (10) new homes for the claimant when
his lawyer is done with you.
In any case, not one word of this is true, and whoever you are, Mr. Giwer,
I am not overly fond of liars.
TC
Greg Salter
Clancy) wrote:
> Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>
> (the truth exposed)
>
> In any case, not one word of this is true, and whoever you are, Mr. Giwer,
> I am not overly fond of liars.
Yeehaa! Don't ya just love when stuff like this happens!
buzzo
>
>Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>
>claims adjustor.
>
>
>In any case, not one word of this is true, and whoever you are, Mr. Giwer,
>I am not overly fond of liars.
>
TC,
I always thought that, if you with malacious and forethought told a
falsehood about a person, even a public figure, that reflected
negatively about them or the occupational competence, that it was
actionable under the laws of the United States and of the sevral states.
Anyway, if you decide to take action, I for one was slightly led to
mistakenly believe, from the force of this person's comments, that you
were a somewhat "gulliable" and "easily confused" person. This would've
led me to have second thoughts about having you as my agent, should I
need one, to purchace my policies from; thereby limiting your ability to
pursue your career, as an agent, in servicing and sales of your customer's
policies.
Also, it would also have led me to question your competence, if I had been
a personel director for a major Insurance Co., thereby limiting your
career opportunities as a representative of any first rate insurance
Company.
I offer my testimony, as a witness, free of expense should you desire to
pursue this matter. The reason that I am so militant about this is my
belief that this kind of irresponsible posting on the net will be one of
the major justifiable reasons for the ultimate government control. I
think that this person would definitely have second thoughts about posting such
malevient tripe after a Deputy US Marchal knocked on his front door,
serving him with papers to appear and defend himself in a Federal
defamation case.
I would urge you to pursue the Federal route, rather than the state, for
2 reasons. 1st. the federal courts seem to be a tad faster in civil
resolutions. 2nd. it would be a acknowledgement that slander spread
on the net crosses statelines, and international boundries, so the
Federal courts would be the appropriate jurisdiction.
I hope you smear him.
Buz Ozburn
bu...@gulf.net
JustMe@home
It takes all kinds.
Matt Giwer
>
>Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>In any case, not one word of this is true, and whoever you are, Mr. Giwer,
>I am not overly fond of liars.
My apologies. There must have been two Tom Clancys dealing with the Naval
Institute at the time.
Matt Giwer
Tom Clancy
For the people who contribute to this group, my apologies. It's just that
I abhor liars. As a "public figure" (whatever that means--and who
appointed me to the position, anyway?) I have to put up with a lot. But
outright lies, no, I do not have to put up with that.
Mr. Giwer, whoever he may be, is a liar, unless one assumes that two
individuals named Thomas L. Clancy, Jr. were both writing books about a
defecting Russian submarine, were in the insurance business, and were in
contact with the Naval Institute Press at the same time. I submit that
this stretches probability a little far. Moreover, were this the case, I
probably would have heard about it myself a long time ago.
Again, my apologies for the passion of my response, but as a child my
father taught me to abhor lying.
TC
Tom Clancy
Mr. Giwer, that was an exceedingly limp response. You lied, sir. Admit it.
TC
Paul Barnett
>Mr. Giwer, whoever he may be, is a liar, unless one assumes that two
>individuals named Thomas L. Clancy, Jr. were both writing books about a
>defecting Russian submarine, were in the insurance business, and were in
>contact with the Naval Institute Press at the same time. I submit that
>this stretches probability a little far. Moreover, were this the case, I
>probably would have heard about it myself a long time ago.
My guess is that the poster in question encountered this newsgroup
recently and quickly fabricated or embellished his story. I can only
imagine his surprise when he discovered that the "real" Tom Clancy
actually followed this newsgroup.
On the other hand, maybe there was someone in his past that sufficiently
fit the profile to allow his imagination to fill in the missing details.
Stan Varlamov
: Clancy responds to this post as follows:
....
: This post is a lie from beginning to end. First of all, I was never a
...
: Third, this clown doesn't know insurance coverage at all. "Additional
^^^^^^
...
: TC
Sorry I'm new for the group. Does this writer always refer to his readers as
_clowns_? Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
considering the form "Clancy responds". Clownish a little.
Stan.
tom weaver
things I found...
o -His Home page : http://www.combase.com/~mgiwer/
o -from his Home Page:
"To contact the author, Matt Giwer, call (813) 969-0362 or
snail(monopoly)mail POB 82541, Tampa
Florida 33682-2541, or real mail mgi...@combase.com.
Everyone calls me Matt because my last name can not be pronounced. But if
you insist upon formality, the last name is Giver
with a w, try Matt "Lord loves a cheerful" Giwer. (It's Flemish, from
Lorraine Provence, France, the town of Givet.)"
o -A small sample of his opinions:
"You don't need Limbaugh to tell you what to think when you have me.
Being a World Leader, 12/17
It is not compassion with other people's lives, 12/7
Some thoughts on Bosnia, 12/6
What Clinton did not tell us about sending troops to Bosnia, 11/28
Why license driving? 11/4
Lets kill some Balkans
The Weaver Execution, 10/31
The Greatest Story in History
The 1996 election, 10/31 "
o - The few of the newsgroups he posts into:
Author Profile: mgi...@combase.com (Matt Giwer)
24 articles posted between 1995/12/25 and 1995/12/30.
20% followups.
Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups:
4 tx.politics
4 alt.politics.libertarian
4 alt.censorship
2 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
1 talk.politics.theory
1 talk.politics.misc
1 talk.politics.libertarian
1 rec.arts.sf.written
1 alt.slack
1 alt.rush-limbaugh
1 alt.politics.usa.republican
1 alt.politics.usa.misc
1 alt.politics.radical-left
1 alt.activism.d
Tom Clancy
Great! I know just the guy to forward this to!
TC
Tom Clancy
Nah, the aphorism is: de minimis non curat lex.
TC
Thor Firesbane
Stan,
Mr. Clancy does in fact post here from time to time and appears
to read almost daily. His remark about "this clown doesn't know
insurance coverage"... was in refrence to one person who had posted a
an article in which he claimed to be a person who TC had asked to help
him write Hunt for Red October. That was only one part the the lies that
he was spreading about himself. Mr. Clancy was very quick to respond to
that article and let all of us know that Mr Giwer (the clown) had been
trying to trick us.
Mr. Clancy does not call must of us clowns. Just those who
deserve it. Personally, I would like to see some sort of legal action
taken against Mr Giwer, but that is up to TC, and not us.
To Mr. Clancy,
Whatever your choice, please keep up the excellent writings!
--Thor
Th...@pentagon.io.com
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Get hold oh henry (sic) over in alt.angst. He has this PGP stuff
wired.
He can't write worth a damm, but he can tell ya how to authenticate
your own stuff.
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Bailey
Clancy) told the world:
>For the people who contribute to this group, my apologies. It's just that
>I abhor liars. As a "public figure" (whatever that means--and who
>appointed me to the position, anyway?) I have to put up with a lot. But
>outright lies, no, I do not have to put up with that.
Sir: No apologies necessary. It's amazing to me the extent some people
will go to make a claim to fame.
Jeff Bailey
bail...@ix.netcom.com
http://www.geopages.com/Hollywood/1536/
Matt Giwer
>
>In article <4ccb4c$3...@earth.superlink.net>, s...@superlink.net says...
>>
>>Tom Clancy (tomc...@aol.com) wrote:
>>: Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>>....
>>: This post is a lie from beginning to end. First of all, I was never a
>>...
>>: Third, this clown doesn't know insurance coverage at all. "Additional
>> ^^^^^^
>>...
>>: TC
>>
>>Sorry I'm new for the group. Does this writer always refer to his readers as
>>_clowns_? Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
>>considering the form "Clancy responds". Clownish a little.
>>
>>Stan.
>
>
>In the FAQ of some newsgrous they are more strict - they say :
> DO NOT POST before you have been a reader for several months otherwise
> you might get rightfully flamed!
>
>So :
> a) The Tom Clancy you are refering to is the 'man'!
How do you know? How does anyone know?
> b) The clown he refers to is obviously not a reader - but just 'a clown',
> to put it mildly. Why is he not a reader? Because after having
> been caught with his trousers down he claims misplaced identities
> (e.g he has never touched a book as TOM is on display on most of them).
I am simply being polite about it. The man with Tom Clancy on his business
card who I met many times had the same build and penchant for sunglasses as the
person on the dustjackets. The man I met knew about MOSS and SOSUS and narrowband
which became a "seismic" device, noting that one of the companies providing the arrays
was named Seismic Engineering.
This person also insisted upon calling an agency the Sea Systems Command while
its only common reference is NAVSEA.
Rather I am questioning the identity of the person from AOL or perhaps just
that person's memory. Or perhaps I have an overactive imagination and never did have
a policy from Selected Risks.
> c) However we will soone have forgotten him - now how about you?
I am hardly memorable.
Yeechang Lee
|Sorry I'm new for the group.
You? Never guessed.
|Does this writer always refer to his readers as _clowns_?
No. See below.
|Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
|considering the form "Clancy responds". Clownish a little.
Or, may be, you didn't bother reading the first post in the thread--in
which the clown in question, Matt Giwer, spun a story about himself
and Tom Clancy apparently out of whole cloth. Or that a) yes, it is
Clancy, and b) he is quite gracious to the 99.999% of the group's
readership who don't make up stories about him, and that c) if you'd
had the common sense to read a group for a while before posting to it,
you would know all this and more without people having to tell you
this.
Yeechang, who occasionally lurks here but has to deal with the
similarly clueless on alt.religion.mormon all the time
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sparks
: Mr. Clancy in case you were wondering who Mr. Giwer is.... here are a few
: things I found...
you left out what color underwear he wears ;-)
Tom Clancy
1. I will let other answer the question about my responses to posts in the
group.
2. The first draft of "The Hunt for Red October" was completed on the
evening of Sunday, February 27, 1983, and delivered to the Naval Institute
the next day. There were additional drafts (the only time I've done more
than one draft of anything) which had to be completely re-done, since the
first draft was done with an IBM Selectric typewriter (stone tablets!)
while all others were done on an Apple //e (64K RAM - WOW!). Publication
happened in October, 1984. Why did it take that long? The Naval Institute
Press is small and timid - or was then. I have no idea what it's like now.
3. The dispute between myself and the Naval Institute Press took place in
1987-8, settling in October of the latter year. The terms of the
settlement disallow me from discussing the matter in public, which, I
think, is too bad. I'd love to do so. (The Institute has since terminated
two senior employees, Thomas Epley and James Sutton, for cause.) The
reader is free, however, to examine hardcover copies of the book prior to
then and since, and to check out the copyright notice in both, since
copyright is under law a matter of public record.
4. 1,200 clients made my business large enough to earn a very decent
living. I did both commercial and personal insurance. I was a fire and
casualty agent (homeowners, auto, etc.). I did very little life insurance.
In fact I had more life coverage on horses (called "Livestock Mortality
Insurance") than on people because I found life insurance morbid ("Hey,
you're going to die! You'd better buy this!") I was particularly good at
"wet" marine - boat yards, etc.
5. The name of the business was something I never changed. Insurance
agencies tend to retain their original names in perpetuity. Besides,
within a year of publishing I had a $3,000,000 three-book contract (Red
Storm Rising, Patriot Games, and The Cardinal of the Kremlin) which
actually grew into four books (Clear and Present Danger) as a result of
the USNIP dispute. In other words, I didn't need the insurance business
any longer. My license has long since lapsed. The insurance agency is
still there.
6. Pen name. Curiously, Giwer is not the first to claim that my name is
nom de plume. Sorry, pal, but I was born Thomas Leo Clancy, Jr. My father,
Thomas L., Sr., died last March, and as a result I find comments on my
name to be distasteful.
7. People I met. Looking up the technical data for THFRO was a piece of
cake. My main numerical data source was the original version of the war
game "Harpoon." Larry Bond is a good friend, and godfather to my son. I
also had the insurance coverage for a lot of nucs who work the Calvert
Cliffs Nuclear Reactor Plant for Baltimore Gas & Electric Company. Sailors
tell sea stories (which is what Giwer is doing, of course; except that his
is ficticious) (old Navy joke: What is the difference between a sea story
and a fairy tale? Answer: A fairy tale begins, "Once upon a time ..."
while a sea story begins, "No sh*t, I was really there...") Since Red
October access to people has become far easier, but my technical research
is done almost exclusively in printed media of one sort or another.
8. The final comment, the one with quotes around it, something about a
ceramic disk. I have no idea what he's talking about. Probably he doesn't
either.
9. The only other Tom Clancy I know of (outside my family, that is) was
the singer/actor (Clancy Brothers, Tom Clancy, Liam Clancy, and Paddy
Clancy, plus Tommy Makem) who died back in the 1980s.
Mr. Giwer, if it makes you feel bigger to claim credit for some of the
things I've done, well, that bespeaks a problem with you. Be a pal, and
knock it off.
TC
Markus Nybom BKF
: On 2 Jan 1996 01:55:02 -0500, the talented tomc...@aol.com (Tom
: Clancy) told the world:
:
:
: >For the people who contribute to this group, my apologies. It's just that
: >I abhor liars. As a "public figure" (whatever that means--and who
: >appointed me to the position, anyway?) I have to put up with a lot. But
: >outright lies, no, I do not have to put up with that.
:
: Sir: No apologies necessary. It's amazing to me the extent some people
: will go to make a claim to fame.
Indeed. Maugham (I think) once said that it's funny how people
try to make themselves interesting by knowing celebrities as this only proves
how uninteresting they are themselves.
Markus
Deron T. Lundy
>Sorry I'm new for the group. Does this writer always refer to his readers as
>_clowns_? Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
>
First, yes, it IS Tom Clancy. Second, if you were in the position that
Mr. Clancy is in today, would YOU want this sort of yarn spun about you?
I think not. TC probably hears from enough crackpots who claim to know
him "before he was famous" as is without having to see this sort of drivel
on a newsgroup that is (supposed to be) devoted to discussions of his work.
So, personally, I don't blame Mr. Clancy for slamming this "clown." More
power to him!!
P.S. I really cannot think of a time, other than this understandable
incident, that Mr. Calncy has been more than gracious to those who are
fans of and discuss his work. I hope you stick around for a few more weeks,
so that way you will see that I speak the truth.
"History knows no resting places and no plateaus."
-Henry Kissinger
Deron T. Lundy
lund...@osu.edu
Electrical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Matt Giwer
>
>Mr. Clancy in case you were wondering who Mr. Giwer is.... here are a few
>things I found...
I have a question or two.
How many times has Tom Clancy posted to this conference before?
If HFRO was completed in February 1983 and not published until (?)
late 84, early 85, from whence came the settlement between Tom Clancy and
the Naval Institutue over the character of John Ryan?
I find it interesting that with a relatively common name, the Tom
Clancy was the first to use tomclancy at AOL. Finger indicates the name is
legitimate but AOL provides no information on the name.
I have always wondered about this independent insurance agency,
owned but never named. Although 1200 clients is a rather small base it is
certainly reasonable that after publication the name would have been changed
from whatever to "The Tom Clancy Insurance Agency." This obvious business
step never seems to have happened.
As for the strong reaction posted, I also find that rather strange.
For some reason no one knew him "when"? Or is it a pen name? It is not
reasonable to believe he never met anyone involved in any of the subjects he
wrote about. After all Annapolis is the Naval Academy and close enough to
DC that it is nearly a suburb. And what did I "claim" to have taught him
other than how security works from the inside? Unless he makes everything
up, that is the sort of thing his books contain.
Again, maybe there really were two Tom Clancy's and I met the other
one. The similarities are striking. If anything I have said impinges upon
the character of the Tom Clancy who posted here, my apologies.
"My neighbor works at NRL [Naval Research Lab]. He was telling me
about this precise ceramic disk he was learning how to produce. He said he
could not tell me what it was for. When I told him it was for testing ship
defense weapons against cruise missiles you should have seen his jaw drop."
-- the Tom Clany I met
J Olsen
>
>Tom Clancy (tomc...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>....
>: This post is a lie from beginning to end. First of all, I was never a
>...
>: Third, this clown doesn't know insurance coverage at all. "Additional
> ^^^^^^
>...
>: TC
>
>_clowns_? Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
>considering the form "Clancy responds". Clownish a little.
>
>Stan.
Well STAN!
In the FAQ of some newsgrous they are more strict - they say :
DO NOT POST before you have been a reader for several months otherwise
you might get rightfully flamed!
So :
a) The Tom Clancy you are refering to is the 'man'!
b) The clown he refers to is obviously not a reader - but just 'a clown',
to put it mildly. Why is he not a reader? Because after having
been caught with his trousers down he claims misplaced identities
(e.g he has never touched a book as TOM is on display on most of them).
c) However we will soone have forgotten him - now how about you?
JOL
paul.s...@his.com
Tom, I wouldn't let Mr. Giwer give you the time of the day. Obviously
someone has way too much time on his hands. He probably sits at home
watching TV all day receiving unemployment checks... probably scheming
to make some more money.
Although Tom doesn't need it, I will vouch for him. His net presence is
real (some don't believe that TC is actually himself) as well as his
Calvert County roots. While I lived in that beautiful area off the
Patuxent River and Chesapeake Bay, we went to the same church in Prince
Frederick. TC is a really nice down to earth kind of guy, who wouldn't
pull the kind of stuff you are accusing him of. BTW- Are you planning
any book signings in the DC area this summer?
Paul
Paul Stauffer of Gaithersburg, Maryland
p...@his.com http://www.digitalnation.com/pstauffer
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Scott Paley
Clancy, he has been fooling everyone on this newsgroup successfully for
well over a year and a half. Considering how fanatically many of the
people on this newsgroup read Mr. Clancy's books, I would be greatly
surprised to learn that his appearance here is merely a hoax. We would
have figured it out long ago.
Mr. Clancy, I thank you for your participation here. It's pretty
exciting to know that your readers have a direct line to you, and that you
actually read and give serious consideration to our thoughts.
--
Scott Paley
Computer Associates International
s...@pb.net
http://www.netspace.edu/users/spaley
Fred McCall
:Tom Clancy (tomc...@aol.com) wrote:
:: Clancy responds to this post as follows:
:....
:: This post is a lie from beginning to end. First of all, I was never a
:...
:: Third, this clown doesn't know insurance coverage at all. "Additional
: ^^^^^^
:...
:: TC
:
:Sorry I'm new for the group. Does this writer always refer to his readers as
:_clowns_?
Probably only the ones that falsely claim an acquaintanceship.
:Or, may be, somebody is just using the name TC? Especially
:considering the form "Clancy responds". Clownish a little.
These things are generally done automatically by most newsreaders. I
have no idea how the one on AOL acts.
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Dryden
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
f...@onramp.net -- I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
Fred McCall
Indeed. Just so everyone will know, I never met Tom Clancy. He
didn't sell me any insurance and I didn't tell him anything about ASW
(which is what I spent a number of years of my life doing). In fact,
we don't even look anything alike!
I hope this clears everything up. ;-)
Up Up and Away
> Mr. Clancy in case you were wondering who Mr. Giwer is.... here are a few
> things I found...
>
[damn near everything about Matt Giwer snipped]
God, this is scary that someone can find out this much about a person via
the internet. I had imagined myself a fairly competent Net Surfer, but
maybe we should start a new news group, alt.fan.tom-weaver so he can
teach us all some of his tricks.
ISaac
Andy Rogers
if you don't agree then leave the newsgroup then), he also has a character big enough to
participate in this thread !
To TC keep it up, to anyone who doubts it is the real Tom Clancy then that's your
problem not ours. To any one else wishing to make up stories about TC then don't forget
the to include the 747 carrier landing !!!!!
PS Sorry Tom, some of us actually like PC's........... *8-)
--
Andy Rogers
--No Sig Zone--
Geoff Edwards
>Indeed. Just so everyone will know, I never met Tom Clancy. He
>didn't sell me any insurance and I didn't tell him anything about ASW
>(which is what I spent a number of years of my life doing). In fact,
>we don't even look anything alike!
Oh dear. I've never met Tom Clancy either, nor have I bought any
insurance from him, nor have I told him anything about ASW.
There is bound to be confusion. How are people going to tell us
apart?
In future please always wear a badge saying "I spent a number of years
of my life doing ASW" and I will immediately start wearing a badge
saying "I didn't".
Otherwise we could fall foul of a disastrous case of mistaken
identity.
Unless, of course, you have recently won zillions on the lottery
and/or have been dating Elizabeth Hurley on the side in which case
forget the badges - I'll take the risk.
:-)
Geoff Edwards
Leeds, UK
Thor Firesbane
chuck cilek <cci...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>In article <4ccg6h$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>Tom Clancy <tomc...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Clancy remarks on the fine detective work:
>>
>>Great! I know just the guy to forward this to!
>
>rumors about various public figures. His intercom buzzes.
>
>Secretary: Mr. Giwer, I know you asked me to hold all your calls because
>you're crashing on an important project, but there is a Mr. Clark here
>who wishes to speak to you...
>
ROFL
Just one question. Where would Chavez be? (I hope that I
spelled his name correctly)
chuck cilek
Tom Clancy <tomc...@aol.com> wrote:
>Clancy remarks on the fine detective work:
>
>Great! I know just the guy to forward this to!
SCENE: Matt Giwer is sitting in his office, reading news and posting
rumors about various public figures. His intercom buzzes.
Secretary: Mr. Giwer, I know you asked me to hold all your calls because
you're crashing on an important project, but there is a Mr. Clark here
who wishes to speak to you...
--
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"To our friend Howard, who gave a mermaid her voice
and a beast his soul. We will be forever grateful.
Howard Ashman (1950-1991)" _Beauty and the Beast_ dedication.
Thomas Digilio
Matt Giwer
>
> I will simply point out that if tomc...@aol.com is not THE Tom
>Clancy, he has been fooling everyone on this newsgroup successfully for
>well over a year and a half. Considering how fanatically many of the
>people on this newsgroup read Mr. Clancy's books, I would be greatly
>surprised to learn that his appearance here is merely a hoax. We would
>have figured it out long ago.
I have no idea. I can point out that I have just read another post
saying that all replies are terse. On one hand I can not see why anyone would
bother with an impersonation. On the other, the implication is that there has
been little or nothing to verify. I recall another post saying (close,) I
asked him if he was working on another book and he said yes. I would ask if
there has ever been a post on the subject of a future book or a working title
or anything in advance of publically available press releases.
---------------------------------------------------------------
http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/
politics, humor, Waco documents, documents of the United States
Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/
http://www2.combase.com/~matt/
Matt Giwer
>>God, this is scary that someone can find out this much about a
>person via
>>the internet. I had imagined myself a fairly competent Net Surfer,
>but
>>maybe we should start a new news group, alt.fan.tom-weaver so he can
>>teach us all some of his tricks.
>>
>>ISaac
>
>
>Yeah... I second that... I'm getting into computer information and
>research and I'd love to be able to do that...
Since most of the information came from simply interogating my
web page it was hardly impressive. Of the rest, it missed ALL of the
places where I did post the original messages, the ones it caught were
on the extended posting list.
Fred McCall
:In article <4ch522$4...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
:chuck cilek <cci...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
:>In article <4ccg6h$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
:>Tom Clancy <tomc...@aol.com> wrote:
:>>Clancy remarks on the fine detective work:
:>>
:>>Great! I know just the guy to forward this to!
:>
:>SCENE: Matt Giwer is sitting in his office, reading news and posting
:>rumors about various public figures. His intercom buzzes.
:>
:>Secretary: Mr. Giwer, I know you asked me to hold all your calls because
:>you're crashing on an important project, but there is a Mr. Clark here
:>who wishes to speak to you...
:>
:ROFL
: Just one question. Where would Chavez be? (I hope that I
:spelled his name correctly)
Why, he'd be in a building across the street, sitting at the window
with a M40-A1.
Michael Crawford
: On 2 Jan 1996, tom weaver wrote:
: > Mr. Clancy in case you were wondering who Mr. Giwer is.... here are a few
: > things I found...
: >
: [damn near everything about Matt Giwer snipped]
: God, this is scary that someone can find out this much about a person via
: the internet. I had imagined myself a fairly competent Net Surfer, but
: maybe we should start a new news group, alt.fan.tom-weaver so he can
: teach us all some of his tricks.
I seem to have missed a VERY interesting thread. Darn.
m.c.
: ISaac
Michael Crawford
: In article <4ch522$4...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
: chuck cilek <cci...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
: >In article <4ccg6h$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
: >Tom Clancy <tomc...@aol.com> wrote:
: >>Clancy remarks on the fine detective work:
: >>
: >>Great! I know just the guy to forward this to!
: >
: >SCENE: Matt Giwer is sitting in his office, reading news and posting
: >rumors about various public figures. His intercom buzzes.
: >
: >Secretary: Mr. Giwer, I know you asked me to hold all your calls because
: >you're crashing on an important project, but there is a Mr. Clark here
: >who wishes to speak to you...
: >
: ROFL
: Just one question. Where would Chavez be? (I hope that I
: spelled his name correctly)
Ding's in the filing cabinet...waitingto make his move...
m.c.
: -Thor
Fred McCall
: I have no idea. I can point out that I have just read another post
:saying that all replies are terse. On one hand I can not see why anyone would
:bother with an impersonation.
For the same reason that you would put together your little 'story'?
However, you needn't worry. As you can see, imposters tend to be
picked up fairly quickly. That seems to say that a year and a half of
longevity without being 'exposed' as an imposter pretty much proves
that it IS Tom Clancy.
:I would ask if
:there has ever been a post on the subject of a future book or a working title
:or anything in advance of publically available press releases.
And I would ask just who the hell you think you are, that you somehow
merit 'proof' that someone is who everyone says he is. Or is it just
that liars and imposters are generally suspicious that others may be
like them?
--
Peng F. Mok
>
>In article <4c8rpa$n...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tomc...@aol.com (Tom Clancy)
says:
>>
>>Clancy responds to this post as follows:
>
>>I am not overly fond of liars.
>
> My apologies. There must have been two Tom Clancys dealing with the
Naval Institute at the time.
There should be records of the 1983 house fire insurance claim and settlement
somewhere to authenticate the Giwer-Clancy meetings.
Kelvin Mok
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Michael Crawford
Geoff Edwards (gedw...@arifax.demon.co.uk) wrote:
--
-------------------
Michael Crawford
mac...@nr.infi.net
Matt Giwer
>
>How did you do that? You have mmuch respect from me (cause I sure as heck
>don't want you to get mad at me!) :)
>
>
>tom weaver (tweav...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Mr. Clancy in case you were wondering who Mr. Giwer is.... here are a few
>: things I found...
My home page is, as you notice, at the end of my post as always.
The rest completely missed the newsgroups where I did post
and found only those that happened to be on the crosspost list, and
then only the least of them.
If you are impressed by that, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Ambrose
>the fact in one of his books that he did post to this newsgroup under
>his own name.
It didn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that TC posted
here. We are told on the dust cover under a photo of the man (either
a very stern looking, scary, black and white job or a newer, colour,
funny grin one) that he is a computer 'enthusiast'. And such a man
would be mad to avoid a newsgroup dedicated to his work, and mostly in
praise of it.
Also, the style of writing in his messages more delicate than I assume
that of an imposter would be. A loser who gets more satisfaction out
of impersonating TC than from presenting his own views could hardly
produce the intelligent posts that we see in here.
Ambrose
Conrad
Giwer) wrote:
>In article <30efe7de...@news.onramp.net>, f...@onramp.net
>>
>>mgi...@combase.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>: I have no idea. I can point out that I have just read
another post
>>:saying that all replies are terse. On one hand I can not see
why anyone would
>>:bother with an impersonation.
>>
>>For the same reason that you would put together your little
'story'?
>>
>>However, you needn't worry. As you can see, imposters tend to
be
>>picked up fairly quickly. That seems to say that a year and a
half of
>>longevity without being 'exposed' as an imposter pretty much
proves
>>that it IS Tom Clancy.
>
important to me save
>in trying to determine why my memory should be as it is.
Maybe you should work out your mental problems privately.
That is my business and
>not something to involve anyone else with.
Then why bring it to this NG?
>
>>:I would ask if
>>:there has ever been a post on the subject of a future book or
a working title
>>:or anything in advance of publically available press releases.
>>
>>And I would ask just who the hell you think you are, that you
somehow
>>merit 'proof' that someone is who everyone says he is. Or is
it just
>>that liars and imposters are generally suspicious that others
may be
>>like them?
>
> I don't merit anything. I am merely re-asking the very
long
>standing question regarding this medium of exchange.
Bruce Gary
>From: Mi...@ultrasnd.demon.co.uk (Mike Enderby)
>Subject: Re: Tommy, I knew him when
>Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 19:04:03 GMT
>In message <skp-030196...@spaley.pb.net> Scott Paley wrote:
>> I will simply point out that if tomc...@aol.com is not THE Tom
>> Clancy, he has been fooling everyone on this newsgroup successfully for
>> well over a year and a half.
>What would stop this arguement for ever is if Tom Clancy were to include
>the fact in one of his books that he did post to this newsgroup under
>his own name.
Actually, if the next TC book comes out this year and is called
"Executive Orders", as was posted here, I'd call that pretty
conclusive...
Bruce
bg...@halcyon.com
Mike Morris
>In article <dorfmanD...@netcom.com>,
>>PS #2: Has anybody seen the "Jack Ryan for President" bumper stickers?
>>
>No, but if you find out where I can get one, please post! :)
I agree - please post!
The Phantom Photographer
In article <dorfmanD...@netcom.com>,
Merlin Dorfman <dor...@netcom.com> wrote:
> There should be a few more Jack Ryan books--I can see a couple
>about the Presidency, then some with Jack as ex-President, doing the
>Jimmy Carter number in high tech--but what after that? Mr. Clancy,
>how about some World War II historical fiction or straight history?
>
Yeah! After all, Admiral Greer served in WWII (though as I recall, he was at
the Academy for much of it.) There's a definite potential for some historical
fiction, here.
>PS #1: Did I miss something in one of the books where Jack Ryan is
>supposed to be an expert on Admiral Halsey?
Well, he was writing a book on Halsey at the beginning of HFRO, and if I recall
correctly, he'd previously written one on the battle of Leyte Gulf and its
ancillary conflicts (Surigao Strait, San Bernardino). This is the one that
Ramius says is on the curriculum at the Frunze Academy.
>PS #2: Has anybody seen the "Jack Ryan for President" bumper stickers?
>
No, but if you find out where I can get one, please post! :)
--
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Mulder: [Looking at body of detective] If my Miss Manners serves me right,
that protrusion from his left cornea is a salad fork.
Jason Conrad
>Perhaps they are developing a really large shotput disk to use with
It's been a long day, I meant skeet shooting disk.
>Frigates???
Christian Herboth
Re: Tommy, I knew him when folgendes:
>> I will simply point out that if tomc...@aol.com is not THE Tom
>> Clancy, he has been fooling everyone on this newsgroup successfully for
>> well over a year and a half. Considering how fanatically many of the
>> people on this newsgroup read Mr. Clancy's books, I would be greatly
>> surprised to learn that his appearance here is merely a hoax. We would
>> have figured it out long ago.
>
>What would stop this arguement for ever is if Tom Clancy were to include
>the fact in one of his books that he did post to this newsgroup under
>his own name.
Don't you all think that the REAL Tom Clancy would have intervened long
ago if someone would use his name to speak for him ?
Bye,
Christian Herboth
EMAIL: CHRI...@AVALON.RHEIN-NECKAR.DE