Acorn Computers Ltd
Richard Walker
For some unknown reason, I've popped down to http://www.acorn.co.uk (which
is the same as the .com version) and someone seems to have moved what were
the 'Workstations' pages to the whole web site. The horrible 'Mac-made'
pages have gone!
The term 'Acorn Workstations' is used in a few places, as is 'Acorn
Computers Ltd' (as opposed to the Acorn Group plc.).
The sales/support areas mention C. of T.'s, and even the new distribution
arrangement with CTL (Castle Technology Limited).
So... what's going on?
Is it possible that 'Acorn Computers Ltd' are 'back' as a 'Workstations'
organisation, separated from the Acorn Group? A buy-out? (there's an
'investing in ACL' page!)
Or, more likely, is it just a basic 'reminder' page which will never
change again? i.e. if you are still interested in Acorn workstations,
contact these people... otherwise, 'Acorn' means nothing (seeing as the
rest of the group are changing their name!).
Hmm!
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James Stevens
Richard Walker <runny...@mindless.com> wrote:
> Is it possible that 'Acorn Computers Ltd' are 'back' as a 'Workstations'
> organisation, separated from the Acorn Group? A buy-out? (there's an
> 'investing in ACL' page!)
Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the "Acorn" logo
signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they are proceeding
with a name change.
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Dave Roberts
<URL:mailto:jam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the "Acorn"
> logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they are
> proceeding with a name change.
And if you know where to look you can find out what it is ;).
It's... Different :-|.
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Rainer M Duffner
> Richard Walker <runny...@mindless.com> wrote:
> > Is it possible that 'Acorn Computers Ltd' are 'back' as a 'Workstations'
> > organisation, separated from the Acorn Group? A buy-out? (there's an
> > 'investing in ACL' page!)
>
> signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they are proceeding
> with a name change.
Can one obtain those logos from them ?
Nostalgica, you know.... ;-)
Not that I'd drive to GB and pick them up - just a thought.
I hope they set-up some kind of museum.
cheers,
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Dickon Hood
Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <48bb9e62...@argonet.co.uk>, James Stevens
: <URL:mailto:jam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
: > Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the "Acorn"
: > logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they are
: > proceeding with a name change.
: And if you know where to look you can find out what it is ;).
Not hard.
: It's... Different :-|.
And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
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Dickon Hood <dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> : And if you know where to look you can find out what it is ;).
> Not hard.
> : It's... Different :-|.
> And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's
> going.
Please... put me out of my misery. Where do I look, and what do I look
for? Or you could just tell me...
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James Weeks
> "Acorn"
> : > logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they are
> : > proceeding with a name change.
> Not hard.
> : It's... Different :-|.
> And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
<ahem> Are either of you planning to spill the beans in the near future, or
am I going to have to drive to Cambridge and peer through a window?
What is the new name?
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Ernst Dinkla
<URL:mailto:Rainer....@konstanz.netsurf.de> wrote:
> Can one obtain those logos from them ?
> Nostalgica, you know.... ;-)
> Not that I'd drive to GB and pick them up - just a thought.
> I hope they set-up some kind of museum.
There'll be a company that can use them again so I think the Acorn
logo signs will be recycled. On another Acorn (house, basement, attic).
Ernst
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Dickon Hood
James Weeks <james...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
: > : > Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the
: > : > "Acorn" logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that
: > : > they are proceeding with a name change.
: > : And if you know where to look you can find out what it is ;).
: > Not hard.
: > : It's... Different :-|.
: > And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
I should probably add it's a fairly bad pun.
: <ahem> Are either of you planning to spill the beans in the near future, or
: am I going to have to drive to Cambridge and peer through a window?
: What is the new name?
The fact that I know where it can be found doesn't mean I found it out from
there (equally, it might mean that I did). The same cannot be said for the
logo, which IMHO is quite good.
Dave Roberts
<URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
James Stevens
Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <21259bc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
> <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> > The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
> Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
> up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
Ahh, does that mean "Silicon" is in the new name somewhere?
Dickon Hood
Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <21259bc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
: <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
: > The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
: Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
: up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
No :-) A little more atomic than that :-)
Tarcus
James Stevens <jam...@argonet.co.uk> writes:
> Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the
> "Acorn" logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting
> that they are proceeding with a name change.
On their website they've got "Acorn Revolutionary Computers" as the
title, I doubt that they will but it would be nice if they changed
their name to "Arc" ;-)
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Hugo Graffiti
> In message <ant2819430b0XL#k...@pharpech.demon.co.uk>
> Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : It's... Different :-|.
>
> And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
Are they going to relaunch as a boy band?
Hugo
Greg Hennessy
wrote:
>Silicon ??? what.
>
>If people want to post it somewhere relevant but anon,,
>
>Post it on http://wwweb.org/sfen/
>
>on the chit chat board where I just asked the question,
>to see if the locals know, ( I'm getting really curious now! )
Given that the last message there was posted on the 29/09, you may be
waiting in vain.
greg
David Courtney
> Silicon ??? what.In article <36893ed9...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>,
cmk...@cix.compulink.co.uk (Greg Hennessy) wrote:
> Given that the last message there was posted on the 29/09, you may be
> waiting in vain.
Be quiet Greg, I want the people who *live* on c.s.a.misc to have
an excuse. Although come to think of it; making you wrong might
be an even more enticing opportunity. ;-)
Dickon Hood
Hugo Graffiti <da...@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Dickon Hood wrote:
TTBOMK, no.
David James
<james...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > : > Well, I went past Acorn HQ today, and they have removed all the
> > "Acorn"
> > : > logo signs from the outside of the buildings, suggesting that they
> are
> > : > proceeding with a name change.
> > Not hard.
> > And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's
> going.
>
> or
> am I going to have to drive to Cambridge and peer through a window?
>
> What is the new name?
>
>
>
listed on the London Stock Exchange.
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Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> In article <ant28211...@duffner.surf24.de>, Rainer M Duffner
> <URL:mailto:Rainer....@konstanz.netsurf.de> wrote:
>
> > Can one obtain those logos from them ?
> > Nostalgica, you know.... ;-)
> > Not that I'd drive to GB and pick them up - just a thought.
> > I hope they set-up some kind of museum.
>
> There'll be a company that can use them again so I think the Acorn
> logo signs will be recycled. On another Acorn (house, basement, attic).
I suppose the Steering Group could take them and start Acorn all over
again...
Actually, if RiscOS is copyright Acorn Computers, will they change the
licence with their name, or won't they think it's worth it? ;->
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Dickon Hood <dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> In message <368939C7...@prim.demon.co.uk>
> Hugo Graffiti <da...@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : Dickon Hood wrote:
>
> : Are they going to relaunch as a boy band?
>
> TTBOMK, no.
But with Dickons musical tastes... :-)
Your letters might land up going astray if you aren't careful though...
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Anthony Frost
David James <dja...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I have no idea what the new name is, but I notice that Acorn is no longer
> listed on the London Stock Exchange.
London Stock Exchange
30th December 98 0:28 GMT - London Stock Exchange opens in 8 hours 1 minute.
Name Symbol Last Trade Change Volume
Acorn Group PLC ACN 29/12/98 87.00p 0.50p +0.58% 22,500
Looks listed to me...
Stephen Parkin
<URL:mailto:jam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant2916131cbXL#k...@pharpech.demon.co.uk>,
> Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <21259bc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
> > <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
>
> > > The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
>
> > Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
> > up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
>
>
;)
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Dickon Hood
Anthony Frost <Vu...@kernow.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In message <9003bbc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>
: Dickon Hood <dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
: > In message <368939C7...@prim.demon.co.uk>
: > Hugo Graffiti <da...@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > : Are they going to relaunch as a boy band?
: > TTBOMK, no.
: But with Dickons musical tastes... :-)
Oy! Those mp3s are Ade's not mine (barring the Abba, which is Richard's) :-)
: Your letters might land up going astray if you aren't careful though...
I blame the Royal Mail...
Ian Hawkins
Anthony Frost <Vu...@kernow.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <na.053e3848bc...@argonet.co.uk>
> David James <dja...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I have no idea what the new name is, but I notice that Acorn is no longer
> > listed on the London Stock Exchange.
> Name Symbol Last Trade Change Volume
> Acorn Group PLC ACN 29/12/98 87.00p 0.50p +0.58% 22,500
> Looks listed to me...
Surely if they've changed name on the stock exchange, someone should be
able to compare them (new listing vs old listing) and work out any
'newcomers' to the Technology section?
Just a thought, or am I going mad again?
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David H Wild
David James <dja...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I have no idea what the new name is, but I notice that Acorn is no longer
> listed on the London Stock Exchange.
It was in the Independent's stock exchange page this morning, with the
shares having gone up by 0.5p.
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Ernst Dinkla
<URL:mailto:BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> At 21:33:09 on Mon, 28 Dec 1998, in article <43b6b6bb48%dickon-
> ne...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood <dicko...@fluff.org> writes
>
> >And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
>
> WHOIS search in order to find the domain name that the new company has
> registered.
>
> Well I have been to www.internic.net and searched using several key
> fields but I am unable to turn up anything. Maybe I haven't tried hard
> enough.
>
> Would I be correct in saying that the above is what you have done?
Cambridge or the county must have a house of commerce? (kamer van
koophandel) where new companies or new names are registered.
Are they on the internet?
Ernst Dinkla
<URL:mailto:Ian.H...@william-baird.com> wrote:
> In article <b2ee4abc48%Vu...@kernow.demon.co.uk>,
> Anthony Frost <Vu...@kernow.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <na.053e3848bc...@argonet.co.uk>
>
> > > I have no idea what the new name is, but I notice that Acorn is no longer
> > > listed on the London Stock Exchange.
>
> > Acorn Group PLC ACN 29/12/98 87.00p 0.50p +0.58% 22,500
>
> > Looks listed to me...
>
>
> Surely if they've changed name on the stock exchange, someone should be
> able to compare them (new listing vs old listing) and work out any
> 'newcomers' to the Technology section?
>
> Just a thought, or am I going mad again?
I don't think you are going mad. If another company is using the name
and logo from now on, the old Acorn has to change its name on the LSE
to avoid confusion. It can't be a new company, the change of name must
be announced soon.
If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
Nigel Gatherer
> My assumption would be that... Would I be correct in saying that...
For heavens sake! What is all this pussyfooting about? If Dave Roberts
knows (he said "And if you know where to look you can find out what it
is..."), why doesn;t he just say, or tell David where to look?
Or at the very least, explain to us *why* they can't tell us. Grr.
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Stuart Tyrrell
Nigel Gatherer <gath...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> David Thornton wrote:
>
> > My assumption would be that... Would I be correct in saying
> > that...
>
> For heavens sake! What is all this pussyfooting about? If Dave
> Roberts knows (he said "And if you know where to look you can find
> out what it is..."),
Companies house (online) doesn't seem to have any info (apart from
some very interesting previous names for "Acorn International
Computers"), and (as expected) altavista searches for 645 Newmarket
Road don't reveal anything of use.
> why doesn;t he just say, or tell David where to look?
>
> Or at the very least, explain to us *why* they can't tell us. Grr.
Perhaps if the news is expected to affect the share price there are
implications in releasing information which is yet to go to CH or the
Stock Exchange. Of course the implications might apply to witholding
or releasing the info - who knows ;-)
Stuart.
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> If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
> pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
With Dolly Parton as MD?
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> Cambridge or the county must have a house of commerce? (kamer van
> koophandel) where new companies or new names are registered.
Registration is at national level in the UK.
Ernst Dinkla
<URL:mailto:sab...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
> > If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
> > pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
>
> With Dolly Parton as MD?
She has too much of the growing stuff already. Must be Baywatch Barbara
you mean. What does resemble 'soft silicon' but hasn't the obvious
connotation. A bit more dynamic probably, something with downwards in it
(another hint seen). Good logo!
Dickon Hood
Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
: If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
: pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
Stunning :-) Not *quite* :-)
Dickon Hood
David Thornton <BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
: At 21:33:09 on Mon, 28 Dec 1998, in article <43b6b6bb48%dickon-
: ne...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood <dicko...@fluff.org> writes
: >And IMHO not too bad. Fairly clearly shows which way the company's going.
: My assumption would be that you have performed some sort of reverse
: WHOIS search in order to find the domain name that the new company has
: registered.
: Well I have been to www.internic.net and searched using several key
: fields but I am unable to turn up anything. Maybe I haven't tried hard
: enough.
: Would I be correct in saying that the above is what you have done?
You might. OTOH, you might not. OTTH, I might just be saying that to
frustrate you :-)
Jill Regan
David Thornton <BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
>
> Well I have been to www.internic.net and searched using several key
> fields but I am unable to turn up anything. Maybe I haven't tried hard
> enough.
The domain e-14.com appears to be registered to:
Registrant:
Element 14 Ltd (E-49-DOM)
645 Newmarket Road
Cambridge, CB5 8PB
UK
Domain Name: E-14.COM
Administrative Contact:
Crompton, J (JC20046) jcro...@ACORN.COM
+44 1223 725 000 (FAX) +44 1223 725 112
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Master, Host (HM415) hostm...@UK.PSI.COM
+44 1223 577177
Billing Contact:
Crompton, J (JC20046) jcro...@ACORN.COM
+44 1223 725 000 (FAX) +44 1223 725 112
I don't know if this helps. ;-)
Amusingly enough, there already is a (different) company called Element 14
- but visiting http://www.element14.com/ just reveals a copy of IIS 4 in
the default installed configuration.
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Andrew Berry
<URL:mailto:re...@horwood.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Registrant:
> Element 14 Ltd (E-49-DOM)
> 645 Newmarket Road
> Cambridge, CB5 8PB
> UK
Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
making the link far too quickly...
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Roger W Wylde
<URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> In message <ant30214...@edinkla.inter.nl.net>
> Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
> : If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
> : pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
>
> Stunning :-) Not *quite* :-)
>
Squishy Silicon?
Soggy Silicon?
Fluffy Static Dust Trap Silicon?
Anyone else want to join in the RC5-Acorns-New-Name scheme, I'm
sure if enough idiots try to think of enough silly names we're
bound to hit it given enough time.
Now Dickon, no spoiling it, this has the potential to be a nice
long thread.
Any offers to port the RC5-Acorns-New-Name client to the Spectrum ;-).
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> In article <21259bc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
> <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
>
> > The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
>
> Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
> up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
My local bank staff keep asking me that as well. Only the bank staff, though,
no-one else!
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> Excellent work by Jill Regan revealed:
> >
> > Registrant:
> > Element 14 Ltd (E-49-DOM)
> > 645 Newmarket Road
> > Cambridge, CB5 8PB
> > UK
>
> Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
> connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
I think Element 14 is quite a nice name. Not with limited afterwards
but thats realilty for you.
Though having just looked it up E-49 indium not only has a nice colour
but a role in p-type semi-conductors. I'd of prefered that name.
Why couldn't they of shown that much imagination when it came to Phoebe.
Andrew Berry
<URL:mailto:da...@jinksies.com> wrote:
>
> Though having just looked it up E-49 indium not only has a nice
> colour but a role in p-type semi-conductors. I'd of prefered that
> name.
The series of communications satellites currently being
planned/launched is called "Iridium", as there were originally going to
be 77 of them. This number was then reduced, but the name remained the
same because the element corresponding to the new number didn't sound
nearly so good. I can't remember how many are now being launched, but
it might be 72 (hafnium).
I'm still not sure about "Element 14" as a name... I'll wait until I
see the new logo before making up my mind. ;-)
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In message <EJn3TCAk...@davidthornton.com>
David Thornton <BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> At 13:31:18 on Thu, 31 Dec 1998, in article <48bd161...@horwood.dem
> on.co.uk>, Jill Regan <re...@horwood.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >In article <9BnqoFAp...@davidthornton.com>,
> > David Thornton <BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
>
> >> Well I have been to www.internic.net and searched using several key
> >> fields but I am unable to turn up anything. Maybe I haven't tried hard
> >> enough.
>
> >The domain e-14.com appears to be registered to:
>
> Please tell me how you managed to find that out. I know of services that
> companies can use to monitor the domain names that their competitors
> have registered. However they usually charge a hefty fee.
WhoIs -host rs.internic.net e-14.com
<snip>
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Dave Roberts
<URL:mailto:BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
> According to www.internic.net, the record was created on 09-Dec-98.
> Could this possibly be the name of the new company?
I think this did cause a little consternation :).
> <satire>
>
> If it is the name of the new company, let me be the >>first<< (in the
> usual c.s.a. tradition) to fully and unconditionally criticise it
> without prejudice.
>
> </satire>
ROTFL
> Also, if it is the new name, why?
As Dickon said, it does rather indicate the direction in which Acorn is
going and he seems to indicate it has a rather good logo going for it :).
I'd love to know how the person who thought of it came up with it. I can
just seem them trying to think of something with the word 'silicon' in it
but finding most of them taken or too corny. What made them consider taking
its element number I wonder?
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Stuart Bell
> Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
> connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
> Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
> making the link far too quickly...
I think so; for many of us, hydrogen, helium, carbon and oxygen would be
the limit of our memories of the periodic table from when we 'gave up'
with chemistry. 1971 in my case.
Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
Andy McMullon
<URL:mailto:sab...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Andrew Berry <and...@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
> > connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
> > Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
> > making the link far too quickly...
>
> I think so; for many of us, hydrogen, helium, carbon and oxygen would be
> the limit of our memories of the periodic table from when we 'gave up'
> with chemistry. 1971 in my case.
>
> Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
That's the whole point. They don't want to be in retailing - they'd
rather leave that to others!
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Ernst Dinkla
<URL:mailto:ro...@nifty.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ba30dcbc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
> <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> > In message <ant30214...@edinkla.inter.nl.net>
> > Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> >
> > : If the people who think they know the name are right their hints are
> > : pointing at something like 'soft silicon'.
> >
> > Stunning :-) Not *quite* :-)
> >
>
> Squishy Silicon?
> Soggy Silicon?
> Fluffy Static Dust Trap Silicon?
>
> Anyone else want to join in the RC5-Acorns-New-Name scheme, I'm
> sure if enough idiots try to think of enough silly names we're
> bound to hit it given enough time.
Unlikely that it would produce 'Element 14'. For that you need more
than a bunch of idiots. The logo could be good though. The complete
chart and nr 14 popping forward or the crystal in all its glory.
I wonder what the shares will do. Shareholders will need an
explanation to grasp it I guess. Is that a bad element? etc...
I find 'Forbidden Technologies' more intriguing.
Dickon Hood
Andrew Berry <and...@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <48bd161...@horwood.demon.co.uk>, Jill Regan
: <URL:mailto:re...@horwood.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > Registrant:
: > Element 14 Ltd (E-49-DOM)
: > 645 Newmarket Road
: > Cambridge, CB5 8PB
: > UK
: Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
: connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
: Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
: making the link far too quickly...
I couldn't remember what it was. Personally I think it's OK.
Paddy Spencer
Rob Kendrick <r...@kiwisoftware.demon.NOTSPAM.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <EJn3TCAk...@davidthornton.com>
> David Thornton <BOUN...@davidthornton.com> wrote:
> > Please tell me how you managed to find that out. I know of services
> > that companies can use to monitor the domain names that their
> > competitors have registered. However they usually charge a hefty
> > fee.
> WhoIs -host rs.internic.net e-14.com
Are you going to tell us all the ones you tried that turned out _not_
to be the new name?
Personally, I think looking up potential porn site hostnames on a dns
gateway to see if they exist is the high-tech equivalent to looking up
rude words in the dictionary...
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David Courtney
<edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> Unlikely that it would produce 'Element 14'. For that you need more
> than a bunch of idiots. The logo could be good though. The complete
> chart and nr 14 popping forward or the crystal in all its glory.
"The new name to be announced early next year will be more
reflective of our silicon and software future and less opaque"
Hmmm.
Anyway does anyone know what Element-14 are planning on writing
software for. It's a fair question, don't say customers. :-)
My GRUNDIG SKY DigiBOX has the brains of a toaster,
does Element-14's do JAVA, BROWSE or just the boring decode stuff.
Joyce Haslam
> I find 'Forbidden Technologies' more intriguing.
Definitely.
Sorry to post a mere "me too", but 'Forbidden Technologies' was a
wonderful name (a name to make one wonder - intriguing).
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Art Tsai
>
> As Dickon said, it does rather indicate the direction in which Acorn is
> going
I dare say Silicon Heaven, if they are optimistic about their chances
in the after-life.
> I'd love to know how the person who thought of it came up with it. I can
> just seem them trying to think of something with the word 'silicon' in it
> but finding most of them taken or too corny. What made them consider taking
> its element number I wonder?
>
By the sound of it, at least in Cantonese, 14 is a homonym for 'perfect
death.' Perhaps it is a euphemism of the 'euthanasia' they performed to
the old Acorn in order to rid themselves of the stigma of being a
company that made no big efforts to create new markets.
Art
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Stuart Bell
> > Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
>
> That's the whole point. They don't want to be in retailing - they'd
> rather leave that to others!
I know - that's what I meant - it burns their boats in that respect.
Rob Kendrick
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stu...@cybervillage.takeoutthisbit.co.uk (Stuart Halliday) wrote:
> In article <48BD34B1E7%r...@kiwisoftware.demon.NOTSPAM.co.uk>,
> r...@kiwisoftware.demon.NOTSPAM.co.uk (Rob Kendrick) wrote:
>
> > WhoIs -host rs.internic.net e-14.com
>
> Ok, but how did you know to type in "e-14.com"?
When searching for a company's site, I tend to try various domains before
resorting to search engines. There are several to go though, until you get
to the right one. Simple really. :)
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> Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
Who said anything about E-14 being interested in retail? :-/
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Jill Regan <re...@horwood.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Element 14 Ltd
Oooh! Interesting noun and number combo! My, my.
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> > Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
> > connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
> > Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
> > making the link far too quickly...
> I think so; for many of us, hydrogen, helium, carbon and oxygen would be
> the limit of our memories of the periodic table from when we 'gave up'
> with chemistry. 1971 in my case.
> Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
<obscure>
I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for the US market.
</obscure>
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Joyce Haslam <co...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant31193...@edinkla.inter.nl.net>,
> Ernst Dinkla <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> > I find 'Forbidden Technologies' more intriguing.
> Definitely.
> Sorry to post a mere "me too", but 'Forbidden Technologies' was a
> wonderful name (a name to make one wonder - intriguing).
<aol>
I agree!
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Hedley Hunnisett
DC> I'd of prefered that name.
^^
DC> Why couldn't they of shown that much imagination when it came to Phoebe.
^^
Why do people use 'of' when quite clearly they really mean 'have' ??
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>
> <obscure>
> I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for the US market.
> </obscure>
How about 5th element? Supreme being and all that ;)
John Williams
Hedley Hunnisett <address...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Why do people use 'of' when quite clearly they really mean 'have' ??
Quite clearly this is a mis-spelling of I'd've and they've by one who
writes phonetically and perfectly understandably.
It always amazes me how many very able programmers who are accurate to the
bit in their programming work have difficulties with spelling/typography
and seem unaware of the existence of spellcheckers. One only has to sample
some Help files to see this.
I do, however, bite my tongue when it comes to public criticism of this,
believing it to be impolite and rather unwise, as any of us are capable of
making a mistake.
I have not bothered to check your posts for the last year.
It should only be referred to in my view where:
1. there is serious danger of ambiguity or misunderstanding - or
perhaps total incomprehensibility.
2. there is a gentle humorous point to drawing attention to the
error.
One thing I have toyed with, though, is having a 'bloomers of the week'
posting. unattributed and _with corrections_. This could improve the
written communication skills of any of us who realise we are less than
perfect.
Perhaps you, Hedley, would care to take this on as a positive contribution
to the csa groups?
Incidentally, my spellchecker throws up 'headily' and 'medley' as
alternatives for your name! ;-)
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David Courtney
address...@nospam.demon.co.uk (Hedley Hunnisett) wrote:
> On 31 December 1998, David Courtney wrote:
>
> DC> I'd of prefered that name.
> ^^
> DC> Why couldn't they of shown that much imagination when it came to
> Phoebe. ^^
>
My best three guesses
1] Maybe It's because I'm a Londener...
2] Perhaps I should use 've which is how it comes out.
3] I decided it was better to write in future English for the Archive.
David Courtney
I'd of re-named this thread, but I really don't want it to go on.
In article <48be8d...@SPAMnet.co.uk>, John Williams <j...@SPAMnet.co.uk>
wrote:
> It always amazes me how many very able programmers who are accurate to the
> bit in their programming work have difficulties with spelling/typography
> and seem unaware of the existence of spellcheckers. One only has to sample
> some Help files to see this.
My help files get the once over with !StrongEd now, which only
recently got the facility. It won't of course correct the mistake
mentioned.
As for the rest of programming perhaps that's the problem. I've
mentioned before my first language is Object Oriented code. My
English is a very poor second. So cut me some slack how is your
spelling/typography in your second language.
I think these translated Chinese instructions are better how they are.
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David Courtney <da...@jinksies.com> wrote:
> So cut me some slack how is your
> spelling/typography in your second language.
after a partial quote from me.
I think that reading the whole thing shows whose side I'm on!
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> One thing I have toyed with, though, is having a 'bloomers of the week'
> posting. unattributed and _with corrections_. This could improve the
> written communication skills of any of us who realise we are less than
> perfect.
What a _great_ idea. Would you have time though?
> Perhaps you, Hedley, would care to take this on as a positive
> contribution to the csa groups?
Aww, I thought _you_ were volunteering ;-)
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Hedley Hunnisett <address...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31 December 1998, David Courtney wrote about Acorn Computers Ltd > saying:
>
> ^^
> DC> Why couldn't they of shown that much imagination when it came > to Phoebe. ^^
>
> Why do people use 'of' when quite clearly they really mean 'have'??
Jocular or careless speech slipping into written language. Evolution
in action.
Joyce.
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David Courtney <da...@jinksies.com> writes:
> I think these translated Chinese instructions are better how they are.
>
> C.CAUTION !!! NEVER POWER OFF OR TOUCH ANYTHER WHEN UPGRADEING FIRWARE
> THAT MAY CAUSE MODEM DEAD.
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> >
> > <obscure> I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for
> > the US market. </obscure>
>
> How about 5th element? Supreme being and all that ;)
New machines could include a JPEG of Milla Jovovich as a backdrop.
Might help to boost sales... ;-)
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Reg Hems
> In article <990103...@arcticbb.demon.co.uk> Hedley Hunnisett wrote:
>> On 31 December 1998, David Courtney wrote :
>>> DC> I'd of preferred that name.
^^
>>> DC> Why couldn't they of shown that much imagination when ....
^^
>> Why do people use 'of' when quite clearly they really mean 'have'??
> Jocular or careless speech slipping into written language. Evolution
> in action.
I heard this first some 20 years ago from my young children. When
I tried to correct them I was told in no uncertain terms that I
didn't know what I was talking about.
I guess it originated from phonetic speech:
"I would have thought...."
"I would've thought...."
"I woulduf thought...."
"I wouldof thought...."
"I would of thought...."
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> How about 5th element? Supreme being and all that ;)
You know how the Periodic Table can be seen to be sorted into rows and
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Paul Vigay <pvi...@interalpha.vogonpoetry.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <obscure>
> I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for the US market.
> </obscure>
>
> ..clue, think Men in Black!
>
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Mike Kinghan
Stephen Parkin <ste...@spcap.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <48bc2964...@argonet.co.uk>, James Stevens
> <URL:mailto:jam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ant2916131cbXL#k...@pharpech.demon.co.uk>,
> > Dave Roberts <Da...@pharpech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <21259bc48%dicko...@splurge.fluff.org>, Dickon Hood
> > > <URL:mailto:dicko...@fluff.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > The same cannot be said for the logo, which IMHO is quite good.
> >
> > > Haven't seen the logo. Seeing as it should be something to make people sit
> > > up and take notice, is it something to do with breast implants? :)
> >
> > Ahh, does that mean "Silicon" is in the new name somewhere?
> >
> Ahhh, but breast implants are made from silicone - it's a little bit softer
> ;)
>
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David Courtney <da...@jinksies.com> wrote:
> In article <ant31193...@edinkla.inter.nl.net>, Ernst Dinkla
> <edi...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> > Unlikely that it would produce 'Element 14'. For that you need more
> > than a bunch of idiots. The logo could be good though. The complete
> > chart and nr 14 popping forward or the crystal in all its glory.
>
> "The new name to be announced early next year will be more
> reflective of our silicon and software future and less opaque"
>
[snip]
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Jim Nagel
<URL:mailto:reg...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I heard this first some 20 years ago from my young children. When
> I tried to correct them I was told in no uncertain terms that I
> didn't know what I was talking about.
>
> I guess it originated from phonetic speech:
> "I would have thought...."
> "I would've thought...."
> "I woulduf thought...."
> "I wouldof thought...."
> "I would of thought...."
imagine the result of there came a pedagogic fashion that rules of syntax
should never be taught to young computer programmers. that's what
happened to the teaching of English syntax (i.e. grammar) a generation
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> Why do people use 'of' when quite clearly they really mean 'have' ??
The anwer is in the same helpfile which covers such classics as:
Why do people have sigs totalling 12 lines?
Why do people followup without the "Re:" in the subject line?
No-one's perfect - if you spot a mistake like this, wouldn't it be
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Andrew Berry
<URL:mailto:jim....@UKonline.co.uk.spamyourself> wrote:
>
> imagine the result of there came a pedagogic fashion that rules of
> syntax should never be taught to young computer programmers. that's
> what happened to the teaching of English syntax (i.e. grammar) a
> generation ago. people no longer know what an auxiliary verb is, or
> a preposition.
Very true, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the people who lack
this knowledge are incapable of constructing a sentence. I agree that,
on the whole, standards would be higher if grammer were taught in
schools, but although I've no idea what an auxiliary verb is I would
hope that my grammar is reasonably good. By reading and listening to
others it is quite possible to pick up the rules and decide whether or
not a sentence sounds correct. The fact that many people choose not to
ignore anything they were taught formally about grammar.
By the way, did they forget to teach you how to use capital letters in
their enthusiasm for other aspects of English language usage? ;-)
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Paul Vigay <pvi...@interalpha.vogonpoetry.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <1dkwsb0.6w...@userm938.uk.uudial.com>,
> Stuart Bell <sab...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Andrew Berry <and...@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Oh dear... what an awful name. If it were more subtle, so that the
> > > connection with silicon was less obvious, then it might be better.
> > > Although, having said that, maybe it's just my chemistry-soaked brain
> > > making the link far too quickly...
>
> > I think so; for many of us, hydrogen, helium, carbon and oxygen would be
> > the limit of our memories of the periodic table from when we 'gave up'
> > with chemistry. 1971 in my case.
>
> > Certainly e-14 is far too subtle ever to be used as a 'retailing' name.
>
> <obscure>
> I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for the US market.
> </obscure>
what about E605 ? :-)
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Rhodri James
Andrew Berry <and...@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant0402486e8t$G...@jim.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
> <URL:mailto:jim....@UKonline.co.uk.spamyourself> wrote:
> >
> > imagine the result of there came a pedagogic fashion that rules of
> > syntax should never be taught to young computer programmers. that's
> > what happened to the teaching of English syntax (i.e. grammar) a
> > generation ago. people no longer know what an auxiliary verb is, or
> > a preposition.
> Very true, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the people who lack
> this knowledge are incapable of constructing a sentence.
True, many of them can do so quite adequately. Rather fewer actually
manage to communicate what they intended to, though :-)
> I agree that, on the whole, standards would be higher if grammer were
> taught in schools, but although I've no idea what an auxiliary verb is I
> would hope that my grammar is reasonably good. By reading and listening
> to others it is quite possible to pick up the rules and decide whether
> or not a sentence sounds correct.
I learned virtually all I know about English grammar from Latin lessons,
which is pretty much exactly the wrong way to do it. The whole business
of not teaching grammar at all was an over-reaction to the nineteenth
century grammarians who applied the rules of Latin grammar to English with
excessive pedantry (for example, "Thou shalt not split an infinitive" is a
rule derived from the fact that you can't split a Latin verb in its
infinitive form because it's still just a single word). There is a happy
medium to be struck, so that you can look at something that you have just
written and work out why it doesn't make sense. I'm a great believer in
knowing what rules I'm breaking before I break them!
> The fact that many people choose not to
> ignore anything they were taught formally about grammar.
This sentence no verb....
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Graeme Wall <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <48be383e...@interalpha.vogonpoetry.co.uk>
> Paul Vigay <pvi...@interalpha.vogonpoetry.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > <obscure>
> > I think the name "Element 115" would be more suitable for the US market.
> > </obscure>
> >
> > ..clue, think Men in Black!
> >
> Isn`t that the stuff that`s supposed to power flying saucers?
Yep. It's a sort of mythical 'super element' which will solve the mystery of
free energy, power UFOs and solve everyone's energy problems. It has that air
of mystery and power about it.
..of course RISC OS could solve everyones computer problems and millennium
problems, but like element 115, the general public will probably never notice
or discover it. :-)
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