BATMAN (spoiler)
Bill Davids_ on
Having read "The Dark Knight Returns" (which was great ;-) a couple
of years ago, I expected a lot when I heard that the movie was
supposed to be similar. It did not live up to this. Keaton
was not dark. Keaton was confused. The scene where he was
trying to tell Vicky Vale that he was really Batman reminded me
of Mr. Mom where Keaton is trying to explain to his son that
he'll get him another "wooby". The effects were good in general
with some glaring exceptions (the batwing was awful). It also
has some major inconsistencies with past stories. This story
was supposed to be the introduction of Batman to the world (Gordon
and O'hara have never heard of him until now). The Joker was
always Batman's arch rival (even in "The Dark Knight Returns" where
Batman is supposed to be old and Robin long dead). Killing off
the Joker was just plain stupid. They may bring him back in
sequels but they won't ever come up with an explanation that
satisfies me. I expect they won't even try.
I'd like to see them do "The Dark Knight Returns" (or parts of it
since it countains a few stories) as a movie. Dump Keaton. I'm
not sure who would be good in this role. Maybe Mel Gibson.
--Bill
Dave Douglass
> Add me to the list of people who were disappointed with Batman.
> Having read "The Dark Knight Returns" (which was great ;-) a couple
> of years ago, I expected a lot when I heard that the movie was
> supposed to be similar. It did not live up to this.
Maybe this has been said before. I don't know. I just started reading
this group.
Of course all the books and movies have a common origin, so there are
similarities. I couldn't help but feel that the first 15 minutes of
Batman was 'heavily' influenced by the Dark Knight. And then, all
of the sudden, little details in the plot are not carried any further
and the entire mood of the film cuts from murky and forbidding to
silly and grandiose. It's almost as if somebody said 'Oops! Can't make
it TOO much the Dark Knight!' and then took an eraser to the script.
> I'd like to see them do "The Dark Knight Returns" (or parts of it
> since it countains a few stories) as a movie. Dump Keaton. I'm
> not sure who would be good in this role. Maybe Mel Gibson.
I was thinking Stacy Keach. Once he starts to lose his hair.
The part needs somebody big and menacing who can also come off
as intelligent and sophisicated. And a deep, commanding voice.
John Hurt as the Joker. He's old enough and experienced
at playing psychopaths like Caligula in the 'I, Claudius' series
or the college professor in 'From the Hip'. He's also a
skinny, pasty-faced kind of guy like I picture the Joker to be.
(No offense, John.)
Jack Nicholson was looking mighty tubby in his baggy plaid pants,
and there didn't appear to be a pillow in there with him. Bozo
the Clown maybe, but not the Joker.
(Take offense, Jack. You fat load. Invest some of your millions
in a Jack LaLane membership maybe. ;-)
> --Bill
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Michelle Schott
certainly has the jawline for the costume!!
Mika Latokartano
>I think the actor who starred in "Robocop" would make a great Batman. He
>certainly has the jawline for the costume!!
I think Batman should be played by Michael Keaton. I my opinion, he was
perfect for the role. His Bruce Wayne wasn't as convincing as I'd hoped
it to be, but Batman was just THE Batman I can relate to.
The actor in Robocop would (for me) probably ruin the enjoyment of the
evidently upcoming sequel. Or any actor other than Keaton.
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>>in a Jack LaLane membership maybe. ;-)
> I don't know if Nicholson would take offense, but I do.
> Why don't YOU invest in a little consciousness-raising -
> you're looking mighty prejudiced there.
> Wendy E. Betts
> wen...@sco.com
Uh oh, somebody hit a nerve. Hey, Wend, why don't you
roll your portly frame out of the movie theater once in a while
and wake up to the fact that it's a thin world out there.
Some people just can't stand to see that much cholesterol
on two legs. C'mon, it's a waste of good air-conditioning !!
Rudy Obnoxio
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Wendy E. Betts
In article <5...@cscnj.csc.COM> da...@cscnj.csc.COM (Dave Douglass) writes:
>Jack Nicholson was looking mighty tubby in his baggy plaid pants,
>and there didn't appear to be a pillow in there with him. Bozo
>the Clown maybe, but not the Joker.
>(Take offense, Jack. You fat load. Invest some of your millions
>in a Jack LaLane membership maybe. ;-)
>
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jinara d reyes
>In article <89340.09...@PSUVM.BITNET> MB...@PSUVM.BITNET (Michelle Schott) writes:
>>I think the actor who starred in "Robocop" would make a great Batman. He
>>certainly has the jawline for the costume!!
>
Peter Weller, who played Robocop and Buckaroo Bonzai, would not be a good
batman, IMHO, because he is kinda stiff and face it, do jawlines really matter.
I'd rather have a better actor than a unconvincing Batman with a perfect jaw!
Don't get me wrong, I like Weller, but not as Batman- he's too macho, and could
never play Bruce Wayne.
jinara
Wendy E. Betts
Yeah, it's a thin world out there. Also a white world, a straight
world, a man's world...so all of us who aren't white or straight
or men or thin should just give up the ghost right now...there's
no reason for us to even live, right?
And why do you assume that because I protest fatism I must be
fat? Actually I am, but the most fervent anti-fatism activist
I know is thin as a rail. You don't have to be black to speak
out against racism or gay to speak out against homophobia.
All you need is the courage of your convictions - something
you, hiding behind a fake name, obviously know nothing about.
--
Wendy E. Betts -- wen...@sco.com -- Fat and Loud
"The definition of 'morbidly obese': this society
intends to KILL you for being fat."
Brandi Weed
[Wendy, don't let this pseudonomic schmuck bait you.]
Nicholson's build WAS wrong for the Joker as he is usually portrayed in
the comics. Even if he was thinner, his face shape is much broader.
It's just that Jack carried it off on sheer attitude. I don't think David
Bowie (who would have been much closer to the comic's vision of the Joker)
would have done so well with it.
[Personally, I think if they wanted a slightly thinner and more sarcastic-mad
rather than bloodthirsty-mad Joker, they should have got Tim Curry. The man's
got a smile like a shark. But casting's done and over, and Nicholson was damn
good-- why else would I have seen the film 5 times?]
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Chia-Heng Yao
>[Personally, I think if they wanted a slightly thinner and more sarcastic-mad
>rather than bloodthirsty-mad Joker, they should have got Tim Curry. The man's
>got a smile like a shark. But casting's done and over, and Nicholson was damn
>good-- why else would I have seen the film 5 times?]
And there is a new topic for us: put Joker(Nicholson), Dr. Frank N. Furter
(Tim Curry), and Frank Booth(Dennis Hopper) in the same room, what do you
think will happen? Which one would you bet on?
Come to think of it, eccentric supervillains are so much fun! Who else
would you throw into the ring? (c'mon, guys and gals, time to air your favs..)
(Frank Furter would probably be the first to lose. Despite the antics, he
is a rather innocent guy, a kind of Hamlet into S&M and not a schemer at all.
Booth is terrifying but irrevocably small-time: he is not the match of a
larger-than-life Joker.)
>--
>Brandi Weed "Your eyes, your lips, your hair!
>bw...@jarthur.CLAREMONT.EDU Everything about you reminds me of you.
>bw...@hmcvax.BITNET Except you. How do you account for that?"
>!uunet!muddcs!jarthur!bweed ---Groucho Marx, _A Night at the Opera_
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