Video Poker - Royal Flush
Joyce Barrone
did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
needed 1 card to complete the hand.
Harv R Laser
>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
I hit two royals on my last trip to Vegas earlier this month.
Hit one at the Rio on a 25c deuces wild machine for $1000 but I can't
remember how many cards I held. (I do remember screaming "YESSS!!!!!)
However the next day I hit a royal again, this time on a $1
progressive machine at the Stardust for $5,238 :-)))) and I
remember vividly that I originally drew QH and KH and three crap
cards, held the two high cards and then drew the A, J, and 10 of hearts.
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Rickb415
4 held: 1
3 Held: 3
2 held: 1
Pat McNeely
>
>I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many cards
>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
>
The only Royal I've ever hit was dealt to me. The weird part was that
it was on the 2nd hand of VP I ever played in a casino!
While taking a break from playing Blackjack at Mystic Lake in MN, I
decided to run the 10 quarters I had in my pocket through a VP machine.
I had played a couple of times on some cheesy pc software. But, I was
totally clueless about correct play, payoff schedules, etc. The only
clue I had was someone once told me to always play maximum coins.
That turned out to be good advice.
That was 3 years ago. Since then I have played frequently at home or
whenever I can get out to Vegas plus an occasional trip back to
Mystic Lake. My best estimate is that I've played at least 200,000
hands (using a good VP tutor and learning correct play) and have not
had a single Royal since.
I'll be in Vegas 8/10 - 8/13 looking for #2....
Pat McNeely
Terry Kell
I've gotten two Royals. First one was dealt to me. Second one I
drew 2 cards.
As a side note, I have gone over 90,000 hands since my last Royal
a couple of years ago.
TK in WI
Jason Vasquez
>>I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many cards
>>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
>
>Hit one at the Rio on a 25c deuces wild machine for $1000 but I can't
>remember how many cards I held. (I do remember screaming "YESSS!!!!!)
>
>However the next day I hit a royal again, this time on a $1
>progressive machine at the Stardust for $5,238 :-)))) and I
>remember vividly that I originally drew QH and KH and three crap
>cards, held the two high cards and then drew the A, J, and 10 of hearts.
>
> -=[ JACKPOT! CALL ATTENDANT! ]=-
>
>Harv
>ha...@cup.portal.com
>http://www.portal.com/~harv
Harv,
How long did you play for before winning both those jackpots? What size
bankroll were you playing with. How did you go about picking a machine to
play.
Jason
Mike Forman
First one was on a dollar machine; dealt to me. Unfortunately, I was just
running out of money, and I only had two dollars in...couldn't even play it
off until the floor man opened the machine.
Numbers two and three were on the same night...drew two cards to each.
The most recent one was on a progressive quarter machine at the Peppermill
in Reno. Also drew two cards.
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Joyce Barrone
>The only Royal I've ever hit was dealt to me. The weird part was that
>it was on the 2nd hand of VP I ever played in a casino!
Hilton, I heard a lady say she was dealt a sequential royal on a bar top.
Too bad it wasn't a machine that paid special on a sequential.
Jack Winslade
>I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many cards
>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
Within the past few weeks, both my wife and I have hit royals on JB
machines. In both cases, two cards were drawn. My wife ALMOST drew one
to the pat four-card flush, but decided to go for it. ;-)
She's learning. ;-)
Good day JSW
Jay J. Noh
Joyce Barrone <chatt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many cards
>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
>
I needed 2 cards to complete my RF at Caesars (if interested).
Jay
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Joyce Barrone
>I've hit four...
>
>First one was on a dollar machine; dealt to me. Unfortunately, I was
just
>running out of money, and I only had two dollars in...couldn't even play
it
>off until the floor man opened the machine.
>
>Numbers two and three were on the same night...drew two cards to each.
>
>The most recent one was on a progressive quarter machine at the
Peppermill
>in Reno. Also drew two cards.
with 2 in one day. That would've just killed me to get that royal on a
dollar machine with only 2 coins in! :)
It looks like so far, 1-2 cards drawn or the full 5 dealt is coming up
more than drawing 3-4 cards.
Joyce
Joyce Barrone
>Harv,
>
>How long did you play for before winning both those jackpots? What size
>bankroll were you playing with. How did you go about picking a machine
to
>play.
>
>Jason
on a quarter machine with only about $10 worth of quarters played and was
on my 3rd machine where I was on about the 3rd or 4th hand when I was
dealt 4 cards and got the fifth to complete the Royal. It was a heart
stopper for sure. ;)
Joyce
Harv R Laser
sitting down at each machine and getting into the play.
At the Rio, if I remember correctly, I was about half a roll
of quarters into a 25c Deuces Wild machine when it gave me
the Royal ($1000).
At the Stardust, I was less than $20 into that particular machine
when it gave me the progressive Royal ($5,238).
I noted this coincidence later too.. that both machines seemed to
already have their pumps primed and I just had to sit down and
tickle them a little bit to have them shoot their wads, so to speak ;)
Then again, as I get up and leave a greedy machine I always wonder
if someone sat down at it after I left it and hit a Royal on it.
But that kind of thinking can drive ya crazy.
Elliott Shapiro
: In article <3vkb9m$n...@mars.earthlink.net>,
I have never had a royal flush on a redraw. I have had them dealt, have
drawn 1, 2, 3, and 4 cards. The most common (for me) is drawing either 2
or 3. That has been my experience over the last 6-7 years.
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Quoting terry.kell from a message in rec.gambling.other-games
> I've gotten two Royals. First one was dealt to me. Second one I
> drew 2 cards.
> As a side note, I have gone over 90,000 hands since my last Royal
> a couple of years ago.
Last year at Jackpot Junction in Morton, MN, I hit THREE separate royal
flushes during a four day vacation.
1st one was on a nickel progressive for $306.74...next day, hit an 8/5 Jacks
or better quarter machine for $1,000...then the next day, on the same nickel
machine mentioned above, hit for $360.75.
On one I held four to a royal, the second was three to a royal, and the
third one was holding an ace and ten of clubs..
The only royal suit I have yet to hit was diamonds...
(Plus, I won about $400 from a dollar vp)
> TK in WI
> In article <3vkb9m$n...@mars.earthlink.net>, Joyce Barrone
><chatt...@earthlink.net> says: >
> >I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many
>cards >did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one
>once and >needed 1 card to complete the hand.
> >
> .
Tony G.
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Mike Forman
: mi...@cup.hp.com (Mike Forman) wrote:
:
: >I've hit four...
: >
: >First one was on a dollar machine; dealt to me. Unfortunately, I was
: just
: >running out of money, and I only had two dollars in...couldn't even play
: it
: >off until the floor man opened the machine.
: >
: >Numbers two and three were on the same night...drew two cards to each.
: >
: >The most recent one was on a progressive quarter machine at the
: Peppermill
: >in Reno. Also drew two cards.
:
: Was that 2 or 3 in one night? So far we seem to have Harv in the lead
: with 2 in one day. That would've just killed me to get that royal on a
: dollar machine with only 2 coins in! :)
It was two in one night; about two hours apart...
:
: It looks like so far, 1-2 cards drawn or the full 5 dealt is coming up
: more than drawing 3-4 cards.
:
: Joyce
PTFrost
Joyce Barrone <chatt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I'm curious...for those people who have hit a Royal Flush, how many cards
>did you need to draw before hitting it? I've only gotten one once and
>needed 1 card to complete the hand.
>
Joyce....
Just for fun, I ran the theoretical numbers for Royals(and hands derived
from) on my VP generator.
Assuming perfect strategy play (not theoretical perfect) for a 9/6 J+
non-preogressive machine:
One cycle (2,598,960 hands) would generate: Draw # #Royals
0..................4
1.................19.915
2.................26.231
3.................12.249
4.................2.191
5.................4
Therefore, Royals should generate in the approximate ratio of:
Draw#
Relative Ratio
0..................1
1..................4
2..................5
3..................3
4.................(.5)
5.................1
If you get enough answers (helluva lot), it will be interesting to compare
the theoretical vs the empirical.
I don't get a chance to play that much...and have never gotten a royal in
actual play.
A friend plays frequently, and to the best of his memory reports that's
he's had one natural, 1 3-card royal and 1-2card royal hit.
Peter
Joyce Barrone
<snipped>
>Just for fun, I ran the theoretical numbers for Royals(and hands derived
>from) on my VP generator.
<snipped again - newsreader won't let me post more old text than new>
>Therefore, Royals should generate in the approximate ratio of:
> Draw#
> Relative Ratio
>
>0..................1
>
>1..................4
>
>2..................5
>
>3..................3
>
>4.................(.5)
>
>5.................1
So from the numbers you ran, it appears the odds of getting dealt a Royal
are the same as discarding all five cards and drawing that Royal and that
the odds are better of drawing 2 cards to complete that Royal than with
any other combination. Interesting!
>If you get enough answers (helluva lot), it will be interesting to compare
>the theoretical vs the empirical.
What you see is what you get. <g>
I actually got another 4 card Royal the other night on my tutorial.
Darn. Too bad it couldn't have happened on the real thing.
Joyce
PTFrost
<chatt...@earthlink.net> writes:
>ptf...@aol.com (PTFrost) wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
>>Just for fun, I ran the theoretical numbers for Royals(and hands derived
>>from) on my VP generator.
>
> <snipped again - newsreader won't let me post more old text than new>
>
>>Therefore, Royals should generate in the approximate ratio of:
>>
>>Draw# Relative Ratio
>>
>>0..................1
>>
>>1..................4
>>
>>2..................5
>>
>>3..................3
>>
>>4.................(.5)
>>
>>5.................1
>
>So from the numbers you ran, it appears the odds of getting dealt a Royal
>are the same as discarding all five cards and drawing that Royal and that
>the odds are better of drawing 2 cards to complete that Royal than with
>any other combination. Interesting!
Joyce...We may be saying the same thing...but it's a little confusing.
Just to clarrify:
These are not odds of drawing a Royal. They are the relative ratio of
expected Royals generated as a function of the number of cards drawn
__given that the player is playing the best (maximized return) perfect
strategy for this machine___.
The odds of drawing a Royal are obviously best when drawing to a 4 card
Royal (1:47).The odds are not better of drawing 2 cards to complete a
Royal than with any other combination...it's just that there are so many
more 3 card Royals to draw to (given maximized return strategy) that the
majority of Royals will derive from a 3 card Royal hand (or Draw 2 hand).
The odds of drawing a Royal to a crapola (draw 5) hand, are better than
drawing a comeout Royal,(because you've taken non-making cards out of the
deck)...but the number of opportunities of drawing to a crapola are far
less(given you are playing maximized return straegy). (Matter of fact, my
figure does not look right to me)
It's kind of interesting that Elliot Shapiro, in rather extensive
experience, has not encountered a draw5 Royal. From recent reading on
rec.gambling, I know that he is an accomplished and very mathmatically
solid player.I wonder if he is playing a maximized return straegy...or may
be playing a more volitile maximized Royal strategy. (His experince is
making me wonder if I have miscalculated at some point. I think I'll go
back and look...I did it kind of quickly.)
Your thread is good. It's interesting to test theory and experience...even
if the sample is limited.
Peter
PTFrost
below.
In article <412u9d$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ptf...@aol.com (PTFrost)
writes:
>Just for fun, I ran the theoretical numbers for Royals(and hands derived
>from) on my VP generator.
>
>Assuming perfect strategy play (not theoretical perfect) for a 9/6 J+
>non-preogressive machine:
>
>One cycle (2,598,960 hands) would generate: Draw # #Royals
>
>0..................4
>
>1.................19.915
>
>2.................26.231
>
>3.................12.249
>
>4.................2.191
>
>5.................4
>
>Therefore, Royals should generate in the approximate ratio of:
> Draw#
> Relative Ratio
>
>0..................1
>
>1..................4
>
>2..................5
>
>3..................3
>
>4.................(.5)
>
>5.................1
>
>
Elliott Shapiro wrote of his rather extensive experience which did not
correllate to the above numbers that I calculated. It made me go back and
look at them again.Sure enough, my fat fingers and lame brain transposed
some figures on the calculator. I think the generator is fine.
Sorry...below are the corrected numbers.
These first numbers represent the theoretical number of Royals generated
in a full playing cycle (2,598,960) as a function of the type hand (
number of cards drawn) from which they generate, __given that a maximized
return playing strategy is used__.(For 9/6
J's-non-progrssive-5coin,4000coinRoyal- play)
#CardsDrawn TypeHand #Royals
0 NaturalRoyal..........4
1 4crdRoyal.............19.915
2 3crdRoyal..............26.231
3 2crdRoyal.............12.249
4 1crdHigh................2.191
5 Crapola.................(.19)(Prev reprted as
4)
These below numbers represent the relative ratio of Royals hit (for
playing maximized return straegy) as a function of # of cards drawn :
#CardsDrawn Ratio of Royals Hit(rounded)
0 1
1 5
2 6.5
3 3
4 (.5)
5 (.05)
These should be correct now.
Obviously, the preponderance of Royals received are generated from holding
a 4crdRoyal (not many occurances but high probability when held) and
3crdRoyals
(many,many more occurances of holding but lower probability of drawing).
Even though the probability of drawing a Royal from a crapola is better
than the probability of drawing an initial 5crdRoyal, the occurances of a
crapola draw are significantly less.
Peter