Proctor needs help: career boom or bust
John V. Scialli
To: FIRESIGN.DIS
Subj: Help Proctor Manage his manager
Some of you have this message from my CompuServe post. Tough.
Heard from Proctor:
>Dear Doc:
>Our potential manager, Eric Gardner, who presently represents
>Elvira,( Mistress of the Dark, and Evil Perfume), Todd Rungren,
>Johnny Rotten, Bill Wyman (formerly known as "The Rolling Stone)
>and all the Ed Sullivan shows for interactive video (!)
>-- wants to set up a CompuServe Forum for us.
>He'd like to get some idea of traffic in our own newsgroup
>--how many per month, or something like it.
>Could you help me gather some (impressive) figures
>in that regard??
>Unmanageably Yours, PP
AND
>Dear John:
>Thanks for the informantion.
>Any facts and figures are welcome, and I don't
>even mind if they're realistic or even holistic.
>Lemme know how you're doing, and if it takes too
>much time or energy, pull the plug and we'll wait
>for the electrician or someone like him to follow
>up on your preliminary research.
>Gratefully,
> as ever --
> Doc Proc
So, dear fiends, does anyone want to e-mail me and PLEDGE (not promise, not
swear on a stack of e-bibles, not even be conscious or sober when doing so)
that you would consider joining CompuServe just to be able to particpate in
a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
"Greetings! from the far-flung Isles of Langerhans"
John Scialli
SirWill1
: From: JOHNSCIALLI
: Subj: Help Proctor Manage his manager
: So, dear fiends, does anyone want to e-mail me and PLEDGE (not promise, not
: swear on a stack of e-bibles, not even be conscious or sober when doing so)
: that you would consider joining CompuServe just to be able to particpate in
: a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
Not I, sez S'Will. Too restrictive. Why not seek a forum where *EVERYONE*
can come to play. Like the one we have right here on the internet where
folks from CI$, AOL, Netcom, Delphi, all the numerous "little ISPs" and
even Fraudigy can join the fun in the Future............
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Richard Arnold
: Heard from Proctor:
: >Unmanageably Yours, PP
: AND
: >Dear John:
: >Thanks for the informantion.
: John Scialli
Why not set up a forum on IRC? The 4 or 5 guise would reach a wider
audience than just the fireheads on Compuserve that way.
I constantly find myself having to tell the clients I serve (I am a
computer consultant) that Compuserve, Genie, Prodigy, AOL, et. al, are
NOT the Internet: these services only have some net access. Because
Compuserve members can interact with other 'net-fiends on USENET, it does
not follow that 'net-fiends can get on internal Compuserve forums. This
is a common mistake that many promoters make when they set up forums on
C-serve or Prodigy: they think they make their clients available to the
Internet community. I hope that Eric Gardner is not falling into this
same trap, and he realizes that he would be making TFT available to a
much smaller group of online fireheads.
(I realize, John, that you were asking us if we were willing to join
Compuserve for this forum. So I know that YOU know the difference. But
IRC is a wonderful tool for making celebrities available to a larger
audience, and it's never used: most choose the big services, especially
Compuserve.)
I for one already have full net access, and can't financially justify
purchasing a second account for a single event. Perhaps we can pursuade
TFT to come to us (IRC) than for us to go to them (Compuserve)??
Richard
rar...@clark.net
http://www.clark.net/pub/rarnold/homepage.html
"You can't get there from here."
Roger S.
: : From: JOHNSCIALLI
: : To: FIRESIGN.DIS
: : Subj: Help Proctor Manage his manager
: : So, dear fiends, does anyone want to e-mail me and PLEDGE (not promise, not
: : swear on a stack of e-bibles, not even be conscious or sober when doing so)
: : that you would consider joining CompuServe just to be able to particpate in
: : a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
I already have an CIS account, so I would drop in, (I do look in now
the comedy section of the Showbiz forem mostly look for FT stuff, but not
that often). I would much prefer Net action since I am here much more
often. I supposed one can make $ with a CIS forem while the inter-action
on the Net would not.
--Roger
Andrew John Conway
johns...@delphi.com (John V. Scialli) wrote:
>So, dear fiends, does anyone want to e-mail me and PLEDGE (not promise, not
>swear on a stack of e-bibles, not even be conscious or sober when doing so)
>that you would consider joining CompuServe just to be able to particpate in
>a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
Um, no. Compuserve is just too expensive. I think it would be great for the
four or five to participate in on-line discussions, either real time or in
a newsgroup, but Compuserve charges as much for an hour's access as I
currently pay for a week's.
Andrew con...@bdt.com
My home page is now at http://www.bdt.com/home/conway/
RKTHSTK
is not enough incentive to switch back. Get Elayne Wechsler to conduct a
poll in the newsletter. I'm sure she's got nothing else to do. So long!
Keep em flying.
RKTHSTK
El Bozo
in
>>a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
>>John Scialli
>I will add my 2p by agreeing with S'Will. I'm not much for using on-line
shopping malls as a gateway for forums, either. This newsgroup seems a
good
>place to hang out; I like it here and hope I won't lose anything by not
>joining CompuServe.
Ditto, If we could get him to join this newsgroup. The future is already
here!
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El Bozo
Dittos again. AOL is much cheaper, and he could reach everybody.
SirWill1
: >Get Phil on AOL. I just switched from Compuserve and joining a TFT forum
Wrong, Bozo! A forum on AOL is no better than a forum on CI$. They're
both closed user communities. UseNet is pretty much universally
available.
IMO, the future for online performance art is on the WorldWide Web.
It's already beginning. Now, think about your chosen service provider,
Bozo! How long has Steve Case been writing you monthly letters promising
a web browser? Does your ISP live up to your expectations -- the
expectations he is setting for you with his monthly propaganda messages?
Please consider the world at large as opposed to casting a vote for AOL
just because you happen to be an AOL subscriber!
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: Get Phil on AOL. I just switched from Compuserve and joining a TFT forum
: is not enough incentive to switch back. Get Elayne Wechsler to conduct a
: poll in the newsletter. I'm sure she's got nothing else to do.
Bite me, oh vowelless one. Nothing else to do? Four apas, babymaking
hormones driving me nuts, Internet addiction, video dubbing, file
organization, actual job-stuff... yeah right, NOTHING else in my life but
Firesign. Sheesh.
Do me a favor - I'm sure the last line was meant as a joke (although it
could have used a smiley to indicate such), but don't suggest things to
keep me occupied, okay? I have no intention of taking a poll in FAlaFal,
since - as I've mentioned repeatedly - almost half my subscribers aren't
on line at ALL. THIS is the place for the poll.
And so far, John, things don't look good for having a CompuServe chat
with Phil. I suggest he check out Peter's Netcom connection, which I'm
sure has IRC access, and that they set up an IRC chat group.
- Elayne
--
"I am de Head of de Fireheads. I am de Head Firehead. I am de #~~
Firehead Head..." (E-Mail me for more information about the )#(
official Firesign Theatre newsletter, Four-Alarm FIRESIGNal!) ( # )
^^^
Ray Sanders
rkt...@aol.com (RKTHSTK) writes:
Actually I don't think AOL is the right place either. They are having a
*heck* of a time trying to deal with the 1.25 million users, many of
which don't have a clue. The happiest day of my life was getting off of
AOL. :)
Karl P. Gruenewald
: Wrong, Bozo! A forum on AOL is no better than a forum on CI$. They're
: both closed user communities. UseNet is pretty much universally
: available.
I'm down, I'm grounded safe and sound! Thought I'd take this opportunity to
delurk and put in my $.02. There are 2 points I want to make:
1) AOL, CIS, et al are the electronic equivalents of the shopping mall:
an apparently public space which is controlled by private interests for
the sole purpose of profit making. I encourage us to support the (almost)
democratic environment of the internet as the appropriate forum for
public discussion, and not support the exclusive, profit-motivated
commercial services.
2) How about setting up such a discussion on the MUSH? Although it
requires a little more know-how than IRC, it could add a great deal to
the atmosphere!
--
Karl Gruenewald (kp...@cec.wustl.edu)
http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~kpg1/
Washington University School of Architecture, St. Louis, MO
Richard Arnold
: : Dittos again. AOL is much cheaper, and he could reach everybody.
: Wrong, Bozo! A forum on AOL is no better than a forum on CI$. They're
: both closed user communities. UseNet is pretty much universally
: available.
: IMO, the future for online performance art is on the WorldWide Web.
: It's already beginning. Now, think about your chosen service provider,
: Bozo! How long has Steve Case been writing you monthly letters promising
: a web browser? Does your ISP live up to your expectations -- the
: expectations he is setting for you with his monthly propaganda messages?
: Please consider the world at large as opposed to casting a vote for AOL
: just because you happen to be an AOL subscriber!
:
That hasn't stopped everybody from suggesting their own home town as a
location for TFT's next tour. (They can play in Chagrin Falls, Ohio! They
can come to Bel Air, Maryland!) I guess the on-line world, like the real
world, is still pretty provincial.
But, you're right, SirWill, If I wouldn't join Compuserve for a single
event, I wouldn't join Prodigy or AOL for the same reason. I'd rather
lure the 4 or 5 guise to the larger community where everyone, including
the on-line service people, can participate. I sent John a suggestion to
forward to Phil as to how they can pull it off. We'll see what they
think of it...
Richard
rar...@clark.net
http://www.clark.net/pub/rarnold/homepage.html
"that's why they so mean."
WNewitt
Anus Buttwhumper
>Get Phil on AOL. I just switched from Compuserve and joining a
>TFT forum is not enough incentive to switch back.
This lurker's .02...
As a former dissatisfied customer of both Compu$pend and America
Off Line, I'd have to say that nothing short of a gun to my head
would get me to go back to either of them.
An IRC Chat Group or a TFT "Home Page" on the WWW would better
serve any interested parties.
But then, everything I know is wrong.
For Grid, Sir Goofy and St. Walt,
Marty Wardius
mwar...@execpc.com
Never question authority. It doesn't know either.
The_Doge of St. Louis
>
>And so far, John, things don't look good for having a CompuServe chat
>with Phil. I suggest he check out Peter's Netcom connection, which I'm
>sure has IRC access, and that they set up an IRC chat group.
>
and then (mostly on #babylon5, lately) and would likely drop into a
#firesign channel, ESPECIALLY if I know some of the Four or Five Crazy
Guys were going to be on-line at the time.
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Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: An IRC Chat Group or a TFT "Home Page" on the WWW would better
: serve any interested parties.
I agree, Marty, and think we ought to look into a #firesign IRC group as
soon as possible, preferably from the Los Angeles end of things (Niles?
Andy? Peter?). As for TFT home pages on the WWW, I'm working on an
article about just such a phenomenon for the next Four-Alarm
FIRESIGNal. At last count, at least five fireheads actually have
Firesign-related material on their homepages. If Roger and I can set up
homepages on Panix (he's experimenting now, I'm too chicken), we'll add
our Lynx to the links!
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: Now THIS is an immensely cool idea. I hang around IRC every now
: and then (mostly on #babylon5, lately) and would likely drop into a
: #firesign channel, ESPECIALLY if I know some of the Four or Five Crazy
: Guys were going to be on-line at the time.
Chuck, if I could figure out how it worked, I'd be on IRC as well. I
keep trying and failing... I *would* like to propose setting up a
#firesign IRC chat group for sometime during the afternoon of Saturday,
April 8, however - that's when the fireheads will be gathered at Chez
Chaput for the labelling/bundling of FAlaFal #26, and I think it'd be
cool to link up with non-local folks who Can't Get Here From There.
(This would also *ensure* that I would actually learn how to USE IRC...)
John V. Scialli
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I have forwarded some but not all suggestions. If only it were Phil
deciding. He/They seem to be deciding whether to let someone welse decide
John
John V. Scialli
>
>In article <3kmtlk$1...@panix.com> fire...@panix.com (Elayne
Wechsler-Chaput)
>writes:
>>
>>And so far, John, things don't look good for having a CompuServe chat
>>with Phil. I suggest he check out Peter's Netcom connection, which I'm
>>sure has IRC access, and that they set up an IRC chat group.
>>
> Now THIS is an immensely cool idea. I hang around IRC every now
>and then (mostly on #babylon5, lately) and would likely drop into a
>#firesign channel, ESPECIALLY if I know some of the Four or Five Crazy
>Guys were going to be on-line at the time.
>
>
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on CompuServe, not that he or pot. mgr wants to know where fans want them
to be. When Phil came on line a year ago he had very generaous offers, one
from delphi and a very nice one from Harv Laser <ha...@cup.portal.com>. Phil
did not really respond to these offers. So, although I will pass these
things on, I think these good suggestions will fall upon deaf ears. It's
about something other than "preaching to the choir."
In that vein (although I like my pizza de-veined), the Four are about to
record a series of Pizza Hut commercials for mid-west release.
John
Stephen Bodney
>From: JOHNSCIALLI
>To: FIRESIGN.DIS
>Subj: Help Proctor Manage his manager
(edit)
>So, dear fiends, does anyone want to e-mail me and PLEDGE (not promise, not
>swear on a stack of e-bibles, not even be conscious or sober when doing so)
>that you would consider joining CompuServe just to be able to particpate in
>a Firesign Theatre forum? Anyone want to e-mail me twice.
>John Scialli
I will add my 2p by agreeing with S'Will. I'm not much for using on-line
shopping malls as a gateway for forums, either. This newsgroup seems a good
place to hang out; I like it here and hope I won't lose anything by not
joining CompuServe.
Stephen Bodney
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Name: Stephen Bodney
E-mail: dog...@dial.cic.net (Stephen Bodney)
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Frank M. Bland
*SNIP*
>I encourage us to support the (almost)
>democratic environment of the internet as the
>appropriate forum for public discussion, and not
>support the exclusive, profit-motivated commercial
>services.
>
>2) How about setting up such a discussion on the MUSH?
>Although it requires a little more know-how than IRC,
>it could add a great deal to the atmosphere!
The MUSH is a good idea in principle, but since the vast
majority of folkes there are not FT types it would probably be
a waste of time. I agree with the IRC idea, even though I
think it has the chance of a COBOL in hell of going over with
the folks at the chromium switch.
- Frank
==========================================
Why don't you bore a hole in yourself
and let the sap run out?
- Groucho Marx
==========================================
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: The MUSH is a good idea in principle, but since the vast
: majority of folkes there are not FT types it would probably be
: a waste of time. I agree with the IRC idea, even though I
: think it has the chance of a COBOL in hell of going over with
: the folks at the chromium switch.
Well, the Doge and I are going to try to IRC it *this afternoon (Friday,
March 24) at 2pm* just to see if we can get things started. It'll be
only my second attempt ever at IRC, so I'm hoping to be able to learn my
way around a bit more. Anyone who reads this before 2pm today is of
course welcome to join us in #firesign...
SirWill1
: I'm down, I'm grounded safe and sound! Thought I'd take this opportunity to
: 1) AOL, CIS, et al are the electronic equivalents of the shopping mall:
: an apparently public space which is controlled by private interests for
: the sole purpose of profit making. I encourage us to support the (almost)
: democratic environment of the internet as the appropriate forum for
: public discussion, and not support the exclusive, profit-motivated
: commercial services.
: 2) How about setting up such a discussion on the MUSH? Although it
: requires a little more know-how than IRC, it could add a great deal to
: the atmosphere!
I'd be more than happy to set up characters for the 4 or 5 crazee guys
and anyone else who might want to participate without, necessarily,
learning to code or even solving the entrance puzzle. The only difficulty
is that the people on the aforementioned for-$$$ services would not be
able to participate as they have no access either via the web (lousy MUSH
interface anyway except for building) or, more importantly, via telnet.
I'm sure Fraudigy and AOL have no telnet capability. Dunno about CI$.
Harv R Laser
kids, there are a helluva lot of us out here who do not use
PeeCees or Macs.
Harv
ha...@cup.portal.com
(Amiga owner/user since 1985)
Jimmy Anderson
EW>Chuck, if I could figure out how it worked, I'd be on IRC as well. I
I TELNET to another site that has it. No problem. :)
EW>keep trying and failing... I *would* like to propose setting up a
EW>#firesign IRC chat group for sometime during the afternoon of Saturday,
EW>April 8, however - that's when the fireheads will be gathered at Chez
*I* would make every effort to "be there," such as it is. :)
Jimmy
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Matthew Quirk
On 23 Mar 1995, John V. Scialli wrote:
>
> Everyone's dreaming! Phil is saying their potential mgr wants to get them
> on CompuServe, not that he or pot. mgr wants to know where fans want them
> to be.
Oh wow man... A pot manager. What a groovy job!
> In that vein (although I like my pizza de-veined), the Four are about to
> record a series of Pizza Hut commercials for mid-west release.
Makes sense to me, man. If I had a pot manager I'd probably be getting
the munchies.
> John
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Rob Szarka
To put in my two cents (since I know y'all have missed me!) on this
idea of a Firesign Forum on CI$ or something similar...
I'm shocked that the guys (or Peter or whoever is responsible) would
even consider it. I don't care if God Himself started a forum on
Compuserve, I'm not about to shell out those kind of bucks for that
kind of service... What's wrong with this newsgroup? What's wrong
with building a WWW page that anyone can access--and hawking some
nifty Firesign merchandise to finance it?
I run a dialup BBS called Sea of Noise here in Connecticut, and I
would be happy to host a forum for Peter and any of the other 3 or 4
crazee guys that wanted to wander by. Sure, it's long distance for
most folks, but that's not much worse than Compuserve, especially at
v.FC speeds, is it? In another two weeks this newsgroup will be
flowing in both directions on the BBS (right now it's read-only, off a
Planet Connect satellite), and folks will be welcome to dial in and
participate. Sure, I'll take any money people throw my way, but the
board is open to all, free of charge. (A PPP connection is in the
works, but I'd make no promises about the BBS being telnetable any
time soon.) Heck, I'd even make a place for the guys to hawk
merchandise; I'd want a discount, though, so I could finish my
Firesign collection... ;)
To be sure, a WWW page plus this newsgroup would be the best, but
my point is that there's a lot of solutions better than Compuserve,
AOL, etc.
(An aside: watch for brazerko.com folks... Is there, BTW, a real
place called Bob's Brazerko Lounge? I've always assumed it's a
made-up name, but then, you can never be too sure with all the weird
folks around, can you? ;)
--
Robert Szarka <mrn...@econs.umass.edu> Sea of Noise BBS +1 203 886 1441
"I'll say, 'I'm no ghost--touch me!' She'll say,
'You're tracking dust on the kitchen floor.'" -- DA
Home Page (under construction) http://twain.oit.umass.edu/~mrnoise/home.html
Keith L. Hopkins
Harv R Laser (Ha...@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: AOL is accessible ONLY to PeeCee and Mac users. Believe it or not,
All right Harv! Keep 'em flying!
(Still use my crotchety old A1000, despite the shiny new PC
sitting next to it.)
--
Keith H...@krypton.mankato.msus.edu
"Peng! Right in the toast!"
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: To put in my two cents (since I know y'all have missed me!)...
My favorite dittohead! Well, *I've* sure missed you... :) Glad to see
you're using your real name on the top now...
: I don't care if God Himself started a forum on
: Compuserve, I'm not about to shell out those kind of bucks for that
: kind of service... What's wrong with this newsgroup? What's wrong
: with building a WWW page that anyone can access--and hawking some
: nifty Firesign merchandise to finance it?
Funny you should mention it... More Sugar is building their WWW page now,
we already have a number of Fireheads with pages, and I'll be doing an
article in the upcoming FAlaFal listing all the URLs (I'm putting the
newsletter together now). Richard Fish apologizes to the newsgroup for
not having posted here lately, but Bluemarble's having newsgroup
connection trouble. Peter *does* lurk here, from what I understand, and
we're ALL trying to get Phil P more interested in an Internet-direct
account... In other news, DAVID OSSMAN WILL SOON BE ON LINE care of
Whidbey Island's own carrier, and I'm sure he'll lurk here as well. With
two of the 4or5 on Internet-direct carriers, utilizing this newsgroup and
IRC and WWW will make much more sense (I strongly suggested to David that
he and Judith think about doing up a homepage as well).
: (An aside: watch for brazerko.com folks... Is there, BTW, a real
: place called Bob's Brazerko Lounge? I've always assumed it's a
: made-up name, but then, you can never be too sure with all the weird
: folks around, can you? ;)
I always thought it was "Berserko Lounge"... ?
Ray Sanders
Ha...@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
> AOL is accessible ONLY to PeeCee and Mac users. Believe it or not,
> kids, there are a helluva lot of us out here who do not use
> PeeCees or Macs.
>
In reality, AOL is not accessible to PeeCee and Mac users *much* of
the time. Just as well too. Comparing AOL to the *net* is like
comparing YooHoo to Jolt-Cola. :)
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