TO STEVE HAWK
NefcyTom
>First of all, let me say that Tom Nefcy appears to hold an
>irrational grudge against Surfer for some slight that neither I nor
>anyone else who's read his ravings can quite fathom. And it's not
>because we're stupid. So if you want to boycott Surfer, Tom, I say
>the sooner the better. Otherwise, I fear the magazine will
>inadvertantly continue to feed your sense of persecution.
>As for the tow-in story, what Laird and those guys are doing on Maui
>is completely different from Collier's terrorizing romp through the
>lineup at Maverick's. I thought Robinson's story on the feud between
>Vince and Jeff Clark was well-researched and balanced. If Collier
>hanged himself, he did it with his own quotes. I personally think
>Laird and Co are blazing a trail in big waves and will soon ride the
>biggest wave ever ridden. If so, I suspect the vast majority of our
>readers will want to see the photos and read the story. I certainly
>hope we're there to cover it. And despite what Nefcy believes, it
>has nothing to do with sponsors.
>
>Steve Hawk
>Editor
>Surfer Magazine
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I'm not questioning your intellegence, Steve. You are doing a fine job of
that yourself. What I have done is, evidently, given you more credit than
you deserve.
I have openly stated my objections to specific articles and letters you
have published. All of my statements have been placed here in alt.surfing
for everyone to see. You have been challenged to show your objectivity and
have failed to so so. And now you attack me personally. It sounds like you
are the one who is kind of paranoid.
Are you that afraid of me, Steve?? What are you hiding??
Am I irrational because I questioned several specific things you
published??
You published a letter that called me a coward for not helping out
Ernsdorf when he got shitkicked at the Oxbow. The letter implied that the
locals on the beach should have rushed in to help Rick and start a riot in
the process. There was only two locals identified in the police report and
I'm one of them. So I kind of take your ridicule of the Malibu locals
personally. I said then and I still say that the author of that letter was
someone you made up. I challenged to identify the author of that letter
and you attacked me personally. Don't bother now, its way to late.
I called for you to condemn Hookano and Tudor for their actions and you
still have declined to do so. I suggested that by not doing so you you
are protecting you own interests. You want to maintain the status quo (I
am sorry, Steve, "status quo" means "as it is", I'll try not to use any
more complicated terms). I stand behind that statement 100%. You have done
nothing to demonstrate otherwise. Except attempt to belittle me for even
making the suggestion.
I wrote to you in response to your article on professional surfing loosing
its sponsors (August 94) and suggested not just why it is happening but
also gave constructive suggestions on how to save pro surfing. You used
your "editorial priveledge" to delete the constructive suggestions and
left me looking like just another surfer bitching about getting illegally
kicked out of the water. Two
weeks later we get the Oxbow!!!
You call my writings "ravings" instead of addressing the issues I have
written about. That is as self serving an attitude as I have ever heard.
And considering your position in the surfing world, it is also very
arrogant. A classic form of censorship, Steve. Attack the messenger not
the message. The Tartars always did this, it became known as sending his
head back on a silver platter. They always did it to the one that
delivered the message. Quite an effective way of discouraging dissenting
opinions. Nobody wanted to deliver them.
The fact that you have rebuked Collier here, in alt.surfing, is not the
same as putting it in your magazine by the way. I think its pathetic that
you are trying only now to distance yourself from the issue by saying that
there is a difference between Collier's water skiing at Maverick's and the
lane and what Laird & Co are doing on Maui. You are still saying that this
activity is "blazing a trail"!!! By continuing to make that statement and
hold that position you are encouraging imitators, you idiot!!! Get a
clue!!!
As to the Laird and the boyz riding big waves on Maui, thats great. They
should stay there. You may call it surfing, I call it water skiing. We
obviously have a fundamental difference of opinion here. We are all
entitled to our own opinions.
That is one of the brilliant things about the internet, Steve. We are all
equals here.
And, Steve, I'll be keeping my subscription to SM. Its is a cheap and an
easy way to monitor you.
BTW: At least I have the balls to put these comments where you would be
sure to find them instead of hiding them in a thread that was being used
for jokes. Its more appropriate when you are going to malign someone that
you do it where they are going to see it. In this case I only happenned to
stumble across your remarks. You may even try using a CC.
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
Will Borgeson
Will
JCH17
up. Your incessant whining is making my head hurt, and I'm willing to bet
I'm not the only one. In the battle of logic, my friend, you appear to be
armed with nothing more than long-windedness. Surfer is far from perfect,
but it provides me with stoke, which is all I ask for my $12 or so a year.
And let's hear it for Steve Hawk for having the guts to come online
undisguised. It's not an easy thing to defend your baby when everyone's
demanding their own version of perfection from the mag.
John Hastings
"My heart starts to pound when a good-sized wave hits the outside reef,
stands up--bottle-green against the pale-blue sky--pitches out, explodes,
and begins to wind down the reef in fine, peeling sections." Playing
Doc's Games, by William Finnegan
Tony Austin
: Hawk doesn't need the help, but here it is anyway--Nefcy, shut the fuck
: up. Your incessant whining is making my head hurt, and I'm willing to bet
: I'm not the only one. In the battle of logic, my friend, you appear to be
: armed with nothing more than long-windedness. Surfer is far from perfect,
: but it provides me with stoke, which is all I ask for my $12 or so a year.
: And let's hear it for Steve Hawk for having the guts to come online
: undisguised. It's not an easy thing to defend your baby when everyone's
: demanding their own version of perfection from the mag.
I never flamed Steve Hawk and I respect him for what he has
contributed to the sport...however... he didn't have the "guts,"
as you so state, to answer my questions regarding recycled paper
and the mixed signals coming from the publisher.
To be honest, I think I tagged SURFER really good. Yes, it's a
fine magazine and Steve has done a masterful job, but the magazine
is not ethical nor moral in its relation to the enviorment, or even
the water as its editorial would lead us to believe.
Let me submit these questions:
I think a tree can produce 35 pounds of paper. What is the
total weight of paper used to produce a monthly issue and what
does that translate into lost trees?
How much chlorine does it take to bleach - say - 500,000 magazines a
month and where does that chlorine go?
In closing, you have to practice what you preach. If you don't, how
can you inspire people to give a fuck? Fine words become nothing
more than noise, and perhaps the noise SURFER has been publishing is
just craftsman-like verbage used to seduce, sell and deposit.
Tony Austin.
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"Lean legs with the ambiance of a cat walked towards the studio boombox
the way an angel is not supposed to."
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Rick Ciaccio
<snip>
I think Steve Hawk has read enough to get the message. He hasn't
responded yet because next time he sits down for some quiet time at his
terminal it won't be the relaxing (not if you're a booga) session it
used to be. He then has to compose a "politically" correct lengthly
treatise addressing each issue. The response would be defensive.
When the heat dies down he will come out. Personally, I would say fuck
it and go annonymous (yes, I do have balls but getting hammered is not
worth it).
I advertise in 4WD magazines and they will kiss your ass for your
advertising dollar and depending on the size of your account they will
give you plenty of exposure, much of it subtle but it is there. Its a
business just like everything else.
Get off Steve's back, I'm tired of reading this shit. I think everyone's
bored since theres no waves. I hear theres a swell building in the
southern hemisphere that should hit CA Thursday. Souths work well at my
break, the Wedge likes souths also, it should be "Eski" heaven! I may
even ride my "squid stick."
Rickster
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Tony Austin
: Tony Austin (aus...@netcom.com) wrote:
: I assume you ride a horse for transportation and you gave
: up riding a resin made surfboard for the pure sport of
: bodysurfing.
I disagree with your analogy. Yes, I wear a
petrochemical wetsuit, drive a car and use a
polyurethane foam surfboard.
I also am a member of "Heal the Bay," recycle
all my cans and paper and constantly look
for greener alternatives.
: This reminds me of two Californians down in
: Costa Rica that asked me if I felt guilty for working in
: the offshore oil exploration business, "yeah, about as
: guilty as they did when they hopped on the big jet to
: fly down there."
Believe me, if I could get a fuel in my
car that was cleaner than gas and just as
accesible, I would encourage others to put
you out of a job. Perhaps that is why the
oil companies are striving to produce greener
fuels due to my exact concerns.
I would also like to comment that Standard Oil
does an awlful lot for the enviornment and
they too are involved in the R&D neccesary
to create a greener fuel.
Tony Austin
NefcyTom
invitaiton to shut the fuck up. If you do not like what I have to say,
speak up, lets here your opinion. Your right, Steve Hawk did not disguise
himself coming onto the net. He asked for a full dose of reallity and he
got it. Will this scare others of note from joining the fray, I doubt it.
We are not the meek of the earth, we ride mountians of water that are
alive under our feet. You are right on all counts, John except one, SM
isn't perfect but its a good buy and has great pics, Steve Hawk is capable
of defending, it took balls for him to join in here, I am long-winded, you
are not the only one to think that or say it. But my logic generally has
some substance, and when I am asked for detail I give it. Above all else,
I will not shut the fuck up....
Try some tylenol, the big ones, 3 of them. The headache should go away in
a while.....
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
John Airey
In article <3gn4v3$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, nefc...@aol.com writes:
> Long-windedness is one of my strong points, John, so I'll decline you
Ok, how about just shorter paragraphs then? I can't read these long
ones off a monitor without losing my place all the time.
(I'm a different John btw)
john m. airey ai...@asd.sgi.com (415) 390-5248
M/S 7U-553 Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division
2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039
John Airey
In article <3go34t$a...@masala.cc.uh.edu>, st...@Bayou.UH.EDU writes:
> Tony Austin (aus...@netcom.com) wrote:
> up riding a resin made surfboard for the pure sport of
> Costa Rica that asked me if I felt guilty for working in
> the offshore oil exploration business, "yeah, about as
> guilty as they did when they hopped on the big jet to
> fly down there."
>
Tony, I have to agree with the tbone here. Everyone is an
environmental hypocrite. It's a way of modern life.
In my mind it's only really bad when it's done
purely as propaganda. If SurferMag now went around crowing that it was the
big friend of the environment, then I'd have a problem with it.
They don't. They could do more, sure, but so could everyone else on this
planet.
>
> : Tony Austin.
> : --
> : ____________________________________________________________________________
> : "Lean legs with the ambiance of a cat walked towards the studio boombox
> : the way an angel is not supposed to."
> : ____________________________________________________________________________
>
NefcyTom
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
matt warning
>
> Long-windedness is one of my strong points, John, so I'll decline you
> invitaiton to shut the fuck up.
Tom,
It's admirable to stand up to the "shut the fuck up" fiat, but you
might want to consider trying to salvage what remains of your
reputation. Simply put, Steve Hawk presented a much more compelling
argument.
Matt
matt warning
No waves? The surf report for OB.SF.CA.USA.Earth (just joking,
I think giving the city is a good idea) said 6-8 foot and bigger
at the middle of the beach. Anything much bigger than that I call
"watching the from the beach".
Matt
Jeffrey H. Solomon
understanding the big Corp's did nice things only when they had to. You've
got a point about looking for the best alternatives, though.
NefcyTom
Christian D. Lyman
: : To be honest, I think I tagged SURFER really good. Yes, it's a
: : fine magazine and Steve has done a masterful job, but the magazine
: : is not ethical nor moral in its relation to the enviorment, or even
: : the water as its editorial would lead us to believe.
: I assume you ride a horse for transportation and you gave
: up riding a resin made surfboard for the pure sport of
: bodysurfing. This reminds me of two Californians down in
: Costa Rica that asked me if I felt guilty for working in
: the offshore oil exploration business, "yeah, about as
: guilty as they did when they hopped on the big jet to
: fly down there."
: tbone
Thanks for taking on a tough topic and a quasi-religion tbone. Ethics?
Morals? Whose? I don't wish to flame Mr. Austin, nor do I think there's
any excuse to be a slob, But the issue of environmentalism is a little
more complex than the stuff we're allowed to hear in the classroom. Just
my .02 cents and again, no offense intended Tony.
T-Bone
I assume you ride a horse for transportation and you gave
up riding a resin made surfboard for the pure sport of
bodysurfing. This reminds me of two Californians down in
Costa Rica that asked me if I felt guilty for working in
the offshore oil exploration business, "yeah, about as
guilty as they did when they hopped on the big jet to
fly down there."
tbone
: Tony Austin.
VMLXD
lo...@0.com
> Thanks for taking on a tough topic and a quasi-religion tbone. Ethics?
> Morals? Whose? I don't wish to flame Mr. Austin, nor do I think there's
> any excuse to be a slob, But the issue of environmentalism is a little
> more complex than the stuff we're allowed to hear in the classroom. Just
> my .02 cents and again, no offense intended Tony.
go ahead big guy, offend someone, this newsgroup needs more flame. Out
of all the groups I read, this has by far, the least flames. In fact,
sometimes it's just too damn sickingly sweet.
Stylemaster
Christian D. Lyman
I assume you ride a longboard or at least don't play wigglelybutt too
often, in which case I take your flame as a compliment. Rest assured I
will take advantage of the first available opportunity to repay your
kindness. ;)
Tony Austin
Yea mon!
I flamed surfer because they preach otherwise. Chevron promotes
what they have done and what research they are doing. They also
contribute heavily to HEAL THE BAY and take care of the beach
enviornment around the property that they own. They were the
first petro-chemical company to come out with a cleaner gas
and they put heavy R&D bucks into a cleaner solution.
Thank's for your compliment about alternatives. My main
environmental worries are water polution and the ozone hole.
You can't get any more toxic than chlorine. In fact, not one
living organism can survive in chlorine and that's why it is
called a biocide.
Jeffrey H. Solomon (jsol...@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:
: Praise for Chevron, and flames for SURFER. Oh my. It's always been my
: understanding the big Corp's did nice things only when they had to. You've
: got a point about looking for the best alternatives, though.
Tony Austin
: Re: chlorine, the US is dragging its feet behind countries such
: as Canada, which has made strong moves toward banning chlorine in
: industry.
So is SURFER. They could use recycled paper which hasn't
been bleached with chlorine just like GREENPEACE does.
: An exception is the Louisiana Pacific paper mill at Humboldt
: Bay (Eureka). Because of the legal war waged against it by Surfrider
: Fdn., the mill has gone to non-chlorine means of bleaching the paper. I
: hope that's where Surfer Mag's paper comes from....
Why hasn't SURFRIDER ask SURFER not to use chlorine.
Re: CHEVRON. I'm not going to toot thier own horn. I feel they have
done some good things and my reference is the HEAL THE BAY
newsletters. .
I have not "...taken on my own peers." as you so write. I just
voiced my opinions without insulting any particular individual
that SURFER can put their money where their editorial lies.
Let me ask you this. Does it not bother you that SURFER isn't
using recycled paper but rather new paper that is bleached as
well?
What's the big deal here. It's just paper! Why can't it be
water friendly and tree friendly as well. The editorial would
work better, and hundreds, if not a thousand or more trees
would still be growing. I'm not asking SURFER to give up their
cars or livlihoods. I'm just asking that they make the same
kind of contribution that they say we should be making.
Tony Austin
Tony Austin
NefcyTom
should treasure the opportunity to speak up rather than try to silence
others. They are mutually exclusive attitudes and you cannot hold both.
You may speak all you wish in defense of whom ever but do not tell me to
shut the fuck up.
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
matt warning
>
> ... I will not shut the fuck up. ... do not tell me to
> shut the fuck up.
>
> Tommy Nefcy
> Malibu surfer
Jesus! I started skipping this thread about a week ago because of
all the whiny bullshit, but it looks like the whining continues. I'm
all for free expression <blah, blah, blah> but I'm finding myself
increasingly receptive to the "shut the fuck up" camp.
Matt
Michael Coons
Help me out here. What's with chlorine? I thought it dissipates rapidly
when exposed to oxygen. I'm just curious, Mike.
Stephen Lear
Shut the fuck up!
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Christian D. Lyman
: Will Borgeson (szbo...@chip.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: : Re: chlorine, the US is dragging its feet behind countries such
: : as Canada, which has made strong moves toward banning chlorine in
: : industry.
: So is SURFER. They could use recycled paper which hasn't
: been bleached with chlorine just like GREENPEACE does.
Tony, I saw a film made by those wonderful people down at GREENPEACE.
In it they took a group of fine, idealistic young college men and
women--like you-- and dropped them a hundred meters in front of a whaling
ship, in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Then they filmed the ship run
them down. What they told neither their audience nor the kids was that it
takes miles to stop or turn a ship that size. Oh well, if the ends justify
the means...
Eric N. Valor
Bunson" Airey, (who I mercilessly flamed, but with whom I nonetheless
agree): Please take this to private conversation. The rest of us got the
point, and it has now degenerated into personal attacks.
- or -
shut up and surf.
--
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te...@eternity.corp.sgi.com
pal...@darkside.com
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Tony Austin
: Help me out here. What's with chlorine? I thought it dissipates rapidly
: when exposed to oxygen. I'm just curious, Mike.
Chlorine is manufactured by electrifying salt water. Once the
the saltwater is converted it becomes a biocide used in water
purifrication, bleaching, killing bacteria or anything for that
matter quite effectively. So essentially in it's liquid state
it's quite bad for fish or algae etc.
Once chlorine dissipates into a gas it attacks the ozone so
it is therfore poisionous to the air as well.
Tony Austin.
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VMLXD
the whole concept of recycling is a scam - throughout history pollyannas
and chicken littles have been preaching that we're going to runout of this
or that -- true, but so wwhat - the faster the better then on to the next.
Hey, true hugger, are you happy about the idea of "saving energy" so the
oil companies can simply keep more oil in the ground longer? No, the idea
is to burn the oil, then on to what is inevitably next.
Plus, there are all these self-sanctimonious, self righouteous people who
think that by recyucling they are actually doing something, but have no
intention of not driving their cars, or turning on the heat, or even using
a plastic computer. Yell at the other guys, make a lot of noise, wrap up
a few newspapers and cans, it's all a mastubatory copout to feel good and
avoid reality.
Huh!
CHUCKMABRY
possibly say that peopla aren't helping by recycling. If you would take
even a basic Environmental Science class you would know that your statment
is totally inaccurate. Recycling does help. Since you say we should burn
all the oil and move on to somthing else, why don't you tell us what that
somthing else happens to be. We've got to start somewhere so stop being so
negative and educate yourself!
Will Borgeson
<hack bullshit>
: the faster the better then on to the next.
<hack lots more bullshit>
I'll rise to brave soul vmlxd's blatant flamebait briefly,
only by saying that I've watched this Reaganomics style of moving on to
"what is inevitably next" as it affects California's fisheries. What
happens is, the structurally corrupt "regulatory agency" lets the
commercial fishermen wipe out one desirable species, say salmon. The
"inevitably next" species to get hammered is inferior but still OK, say
rockfish. And so on, until all that's left is shit. That's OK tho, this
line of "reasoning" goes; by that time we'll be dead anyway, and it's
just too bad for the future. What a charming economic philosophy.
Will <wdbor...@ucdavis.edu>
shu...@silence.com
>
> Recycling is a joke - it takes more energy to recycle than to create new -
> the whole concept of recycling is a scam - throughout history pollyannas
> and chicken littles have been preaching that we're going to runout of this
> or that -- true, but so wwhat - the faster the better then on to the next.
>
VMLXD
Think about it -- grinding up all the crap after making the crap to just
turn it into new crap takes more energy than just throwing the crap out.
And to the rest of you eco-dripdicks, you're so self-righteous, did you
ever notice that the various powermonsters (oil companies, etc.) actually
encourage your activism? That the eco-recylcling is part of the system?
Think, you pseudo-revolutionaries, if what you were saying was a real
threat they'd be out to crush you, but instead they encourage you to tie
up newspapers, et al, because you're saps to them!
It means you not really thinking about the real issue -- your freakin' way
of life -- yo, dudes, did you ever notice that your surfboard is made of
killer nasty polluting chemicals? You drive an oil-burning car to the
beach?
What was Exxon guilty of with the Valdez? Oh yeah, it's easy to say
they're the big, bad polluter and sure, they were irresponsible, but
that's not the point, not the issue, YOU MOTHERFUCKERS (and moi, of
course) were paying for that oil to run you cars, heat your house, create
your surfboard, so don't blame Exxon, they are only a sympton.
I say, wake the fuck up, don't be a tool, don't be a hypocrite with this
bulldinky about recyling paper -- the earth is totally safe and cool,
nothing's going to happen to it, man is here to live and exploit the
earth, and we should be doing that responsibly, and that means be true to
our ravenous, self-centered nature, and it's only by admitting to this,
accepting it, that we can then regulate it -- we don't have to die from
pollution, but we have to understand it, undersand that capitislm is the
life-blood of creation, whether you like it or not, I don't care and it
doesn't care, but as you and I hunt waves, the human animal hunts for its
survival.
Necissity is the mother fucker of invention, and the resources are here
for us to use, and we need to get to life beyond big oil, which, you
dingleberries, is happy you're into recycling and etc. CAUSE IT JUST
MEANS THEY GET TO MAKE MONEY LONGER! Burn the oil, give me a big ol gas
guzzling eight cylinder (with a cataltic converter) and let's do it now.
Look, it's not that recycling is bad, it's just that it's a non thing, a
silly thing, a con thing designed to make you think it's the real thing,
when it's nothing.
Later.
VMLXD
NefcyTom
>all for free expression <blah, blah, blah> but I'm finding myself
>increasingly receptive to the "shut the fuck up" camp.
>Matt
Camp where you like, Matt....
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
NefcyTom
>Shut the fuck up!
Blow me, Lear... never mind, don't....
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
Christian D. Lyman
Tony Austin, although I have a hard time agreeing with you, your arguments
are well presented and argued. Perhaps we can find a happy medium?
Chris.
Rick Ciaccio
writes:
I believe a better spelling would be Tommy (Nazi) not Nerfcy... I
getting awful tired of reading this crap.
Just my 2 cents.
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Ctr for Forensic Economic Studies
Right on, Dude. It's pretty much a given that most, if not all, recycling takes
as much energy as it would take to simply make new materials. Plus, there is no
lack of available landfill. Recycling gives the eco-people a warm cuddly
feeling but doesn't really do shit for anyone else. What makes sense is to look
for alternate forms of energy. Gasahol, electric cars, etc. Also, it would be
cool if wood boards made a comeback. Glass and foam come from petrochemicals.
--Hoot Gibson
NefcyTom
teling me to shut the fuck up and why should I put up with you call me a
Nazi?
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
Stephen Lear
Blow you? Wow, what a vicious retort, you mamby-pamby pus. I can envision
you sitting there now at you computer in your powder blue zip-up sleepers with
the little feet and the little embroidered bunny on the chest, your teeth
clenched, your hands in little tiny fists so tight that you can't even
aijgfpoiq@$#@^$!T type. BAHAHAHAHA.
There's a little button on my xrn news reader that I've never tried before....
Author Kill. I think I'll do it. My first cyber-kill. Feel that slight tingle
all over your body and your breath just slightly gasp? That was you being
transported to the dark bowels of my kill file. It's gonna be lonely there,
Nefcy, all dark and no surf. No one to whine too. BAHAHHAHAHA. It's quieter
here already.
--SLear
OB Surf story: Ran into a friend this weekend while doing a wave check...
Vince Collier. The high tide waves were shit, so end of surf story, But,
after an interesting conversation with him, he said to tell you that he'll be
bringing his tow-in crew down the coast soon. He wants to try it at Malibu.
And when he's there, he wants you to paddle out and call him an asshole.
You will, won't you? BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! C ya.....
John4Surf
Steve Hawk
take some interesting turns. This one has had some well-written, if
tangential, flare-ups, and I'd be the last to stifle a creative
flood, but one question: What's this got to do with me?
Steve Hawk
John4Surf
one of your posts and it has multiplied via the "reply" button which keeps
you in the forefront! Cheap advertising?
BTW, got your newest issue at the trade show in San Diego. Has to be the
best one yet (I've been in the water since 61-62) IMHO.
J. Frederick Seaman
A narrow minded view if I ever saw one.
Lets start with the simple observations. Most if not all recycleing tasks take less
energy that processing new materials. Proof: Aliuminium, 200% less energy to
reprocess. Steel, don't know the energy savings but the foriegn steel industry
seems to be able to make better, cheaper steel from our trash than we get from
the 'new materials' providers. The list can go on but this is not my speciality.
Now for the less obvious the 'new materials' supply can't go on forever.
Now for the more serious. Who is 'for...@shrsys.hslc.org'. The system
exists, but it looks like it's being used for anonymous postings. Somebody
find this guy.
jfse...@cyber.net | /////\\\ | The Cyberspace Station, the
Will code for surf. | /// o | best home for surfing the net
Will surf for any | ||| -^K^- | On-Line:619 634-1376
reason. Kowabunga dude| \\\ J. Frederick Seaman| Phone: 619 634-2894
NefcyTom
>Steve Hawk
Yo, Steve, I've been wondering that myself lately...
Tommy Nefcy
Malibu surfer
Serendipitous Freelance Hacker
+---- 73061...@CompuServe.COM wrote:
| tangential, flare-ups, and I'd be the last to stifle a creative
| flood, but one question: What's this got to do with me?
You're driving the cultural icon. Just trying to get you into
the commuter lane.
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Temporary homepage while I look for a different site.</a>