Rejection Reduces IQ
Ian Goddard
Rejection massively reduces IQ
13:45 15 March 02
Emma Young, Blackpool
Rejection can dramatically reduce a person's IQ and their ability
to reason analytically, while increasing their aggression, according
to new research.
"It's been known for a long time that rejected kids tend to be more
violent and aggressive," says Roy Baumeister of the Case Western
Reserve University in Ohio, who led the work. "But we've found that
randomly assigning students to rejection experiences can lower their
IQ scores and make them aggressive."
Baumeister's team used two separate procedures to investigate the
effects of rejection. In the first, a group of strangers met, got to
know each other, and then separated. Each individual was asked to
list which two other people they would like to work with on a task.
They were then told they had been chosen by none or all of the others.
In the second, people taking a personality test were given false
feedback, telling them they would end up alone in life or surrounded
by friends and family.
Aggression scores increased in the rejected groups. But the IQ scores
also immediately dropped by about 25 per cent, and their analytical
reasoning scores dropped by 30 per cent.
"These are very big effects - the biggest I've got in 25 years of
research," says Baumeister. "This tells us a lot about human nature.
People really seem designed to get along with others, and when you're
excluded, this has significant effects."
Baumeister thinks rejection interferes with a person's self-control.
"To live in society, people have to have an inner mechanism that
regulates their behaviour. Rejection defeats the purpose of this,
and people become impulsive and self-destructive. You have to use
self-control to analyse a problem in an IQ test, for example - and
instead, you behave impulsively."
Baumeister presented his results at the annual conference of the
British Psychological Society in Blackpool, Lancashire, UK.
Psychological Society in Blackpool, Lancashire, UK.
13:45 15 March 02
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Bio-Psychiatric Fallacy - by Ian Williams Goddard
The following quote expresses the view of contemporary psychiatry.
It comes from Dr Harold Koplewicz, a professor of child psychiatry
at the New York University School of Medicine, [1] stated during
the White House Conference on Mental Health [2]:
"It's hard to believe that until 20 years ago we still
believed that inadequate parenting and bad childhood
traumas were the cause of psychiatric illnesses in
children. And in fact, even though we know better today,
that antiquated way of thinking is still out there, so
that people who wouldn't dream of blaming parents for
other types of disease, like their child's diabetes or
asthma, still embrace the notion that somehow absent
fathers, working mothers, over-permissive parents are
the cause of psychiatric illness in children."
In short, "childhood traumas" should not be expected to have
negative psychological repercussions on children. If a child
is depressed, it is due not to any environmental trauma, but
to a lack of psychiatric "medicine." Dr Koplewicz continues:
"And the only way we can change that [antiquated view]
is through more public awareness. I mean, essentially,
these are no-fault brain disorders. These diseases are
physiological, they respond to medicine."
The last sentence contains the crux of the fallacy of contemporary
psychiatry... that because mental states "respond to medicine"
they are thereby proven to be caused by internal brain disorders
that came into existence independent of environmental influences.
That view is a naked fallacy. The brain is not isolated, it is an
environmentally interactive and intersocial organ. Many studies
demonstrating that intersocial dynamics change brain states
demonstrate that there is no reason to assume that brain states
come into existence free from external influences, nor to assume
that the ability to change those states by chemical means proves
that their causal basis is divorced from external influences.
The entire edifice of contemporary psychiatry rests on a fallacy.
Seeing brain states, both positive and negative, as a result of an
internal/external interaction, rather than exclusively internally
caused, presents a more holistic view of psycho-social dynamics.
A view that held sway during the "antiquated" period of psychiatry.
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[1] http://www.med.nyu.edu/people/H.Koplewicz.html
[2] White House Conference on Mental Health, June 7, 1999.
Was posted: http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/New/html/19990607.html
"To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals." Ben Franklin
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CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
> Rejection can dramatically reduce a person's IQ and their ability
> to reason analytically, while increasing their aggression, according
> to new research.
As always, specialized scientists living under a rock...
> "It's been known for a long time that rejected kids tend to be more
> violent and aggressive," says Roy Baumeister of the Case Western
> Reserve University in Ohio, who led the work. "But we've found that
> randomly assigning students to rejection experiences can lower their
> IQ scores and make them aggressive."
Westren logic: "Anything true for the American society is true for
everybody on this planet!" Like hell... Just because your president
punched his father, dosen't mean that the entire world is inhabited only
with vandals and excuse my use of words.
> "These are very big effects - the biggest I've got in 25 years of
> research," says Baumeister. "This tells us a lot about human nature.
> People really seem designed to get along with others, and when you're
> excluded, this has significant effects."
I guess the next thing I'll read will be that humans are the perfect
social beings, eh? Clueless... A human is nothing more than an animal
robbed for nearly all of it's instincts. An active instinct will cause
one's reasoning to change, not to dissapear. IQ tests, another Westeren
sick invention, do not measure anything other but simmilarity of
resasoning.
> Baumeister thinks rejection interferes with a person's self-control.
> "To live in society, people have to have an inner mechanism that
> regulates their behaviour. Rejection defeats the purpose of this,
> and people become impulsive and self-destructive. You have to use
> self-control to analyse a problem in an IQ test, for example - and
> instead, you behave impulsively."
Oh, god you're smart... You seriously belive the human body is MADE TO
SELF-DESTRUCT?! EEEEP, guess again!
The "inner mechanism" regarding a person's function in a society is long
gone with all except a few defects; the human society is artificial not
instinctive. And in case you were wondering: Yes indeed, stress is
stressfull.
> "And the only way we can change that [antiquated view]
> is through more public awareness. I mean, essentially,
> these are no-fault brain disorders. These diseases are
> physiological, they respond to medicine."
>
> The last sentence contains the crux of the fallacy of contemporary
> psychiatry... that because mental states "respond to medicine"
> they are thereby proven to be caused by internal brain disorders
> that came into existence independent of environmental influences.
> That view is a naked fallacy. The brain is not isolated, it is an
> environmentally interactive and intersocial organ. Many studies
> demonstrating that intersocial dynamics change brain states
> demonstrate that there is no reason to assume that brain states
> come into existence free from external influences, nor to assume
> that the ability to change those states by chemical means proves
> that their causal basis is divorced from external influences.
> The entire edifice of contemporary psychiatry rests on a fallacy.
I suppose you thought that the brain dosen't really exist, that the mind
is in another dimension or something... How else could one explain that
you find it strange that in-mind activity relates to observable brain
activity?
Sigh... I suppose you also find it strange that the mouse cursor no
longer moves, once you disconnect the mouse from the port.
And one more thing: Humans are not social beings. Ants, fish and wolves
are, but not humans. Humans have absolutely no social instincts aside
the sexual ones...
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Davey
<jure...@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
>
>And one more thing: Humans are not social beings. Ants, fish and wolves
>are, but not humans. Humans have absolutely no social instincts aside
>the sexual ones...
>
poorly reasoned impulsive rubbish. Get someone you know socially to
help you to remove that large chip on your shoulder...oops, I forgot,
you don't know anyone socially :)
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Nice going Davey. You just dropped Jures IQ another 25 points!
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CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
> >And one more thing: Humans are not social beings. Ants, fish and wolves
> >are, but not humans. Humans have absolutely no social instincts aside
> >the sexual ones...
>
> Well your final paragraph sums up nicely the rest of your message -
> poorly reasoned impulsive rubbish. Get someone you know socially to
> help you to remove that large chip on your shoulder...oops, I forgot,
> you don't know anyone socially :)
Standard human response... You never wanted and never will understand us
others, we're either animals, proorly reasoned impulsive idiotos, crazy
people or defects. I could say I once had hope for you, but now...
And... I know my own society, for the diffirence from you, instinct
keeps us toghather, not alchochol. Stupid suecidal humans.
Get real.
CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
> Nice going Davey. You just dropped Jures IQ another 25 points!
This would mean a score of -5 then? I don't think he did, external
influences are no good in my case.
mat
themselves the nickname CyberLegend, and whose companions also go by
such names as Meson Cyborg. Anyway, apart from that, what you have to
say is tripe, as is much of that on your site. Supposedly a hub of
activity on forming a distributed AI lifeform across millions of PCs
worldwide, the most complex piece of code I could find was for a
simple word game....
Did you ever think that humans have an instinct to form societies?
Why are you collaborating with others if society is not 'the human
way'? Why do you call yourself CyberLegend? (that last question just
out of curiosity)
CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
mat wrote:
> Well you have to question the ideas of anyone who seriously gives
> themselves the nickname CyberLegend, and whose companions also go by
> such names as Meson Cyborg.
Whatever our nicknames have to do with our minds... That standard logic
doesn't apply to us, obviously... Our nicks are the way they are, mostly
because we spend most of our lives in cyberspace...
> Anyway, apart from that, what you have to
> say is tripe, as is much of that on your site. Supposedly a hub of
> activity on forming a distributed AI lifeform across millions of PCs
> worldwide, the most complex piece of code I could find was for a
> simple word game....
Not that the available software (or better yet, freeware games) have
anything to do with our work, but that distributed lifeform is pretty
respectfully advanced thingy, even at this stage (yes, it does exist...
in compiled EXE code!). You won't find it on a download site, because we
intend selling it... Documentation is pretty scarse about it too,
because we don't want to make it a light snack for Microsoft!
Oh and, nobody said it should be AI. That practical idea only kind of
came along. It's pretty much up to the user to decide what he wants to
call it, to us it's only ICI and that tells all the story of it's
greatness...
> Did you ever think that humans have an instinct to form societies?
Oh maybe they once did... once about a time. I don't know about the
past, but I'm pretty sure they don't have any right now. Basicaly it
would be good to know what humans think they understand under "an
instinct to form societies", I am only a defect I will never know...
> Why are you collaborating with others if society is not 'the human
> way'?
Huh? The society IS "the human way" (whatever is that actualy supposed
to mean)... **I** am not "the human way", that's your problem... And
I've got instincts that tell me to cooperate with you and help you, so
that isn't really my choice.
> Why do you call yourself CyberLegend? (that last question just
> out of curiosity)
I'm pretty much a helper in various discussions around USENET
(about-hardware groups included, so you know the nature of that help)
and I thought I've got to be cool somewhere...
mat
>
> > Did you ever think that humans have an instinct to form societies?
>
> Oh maybe they once did... once about a time. I don't know about the
> past, but I'm pretty sure they don't have any right now.
oh good, a social scientist and anthropologist as well as cyberlegend.
my my.
> Basicaly it
> would be good to know what humans think they understand under "an
> instinct to form societies", I am only a defect I will never know...
You are a defect? right...
>
> > Why are you collaborating with others if society is not 'the human
> > way'?
>
> Huh? The society IS "the human way" (whatever is that actualy supposed
> to mean)... **I** am not "the human way", that's your problem...
And I'm increasingly believing that you are one of these that defines
themselves as abnormal, on the fringes of society, not fitting in,
defective etc.. so you can hang out at alt.whatever and appear novel
and 'cool' just like a hundred thousand others, so its not really that
different after all. Defining yourself as not within society is
pretty well meaningless, only society itself can put you in that
position.
> I've got instincts that tell me to cooperate with you and help you, so
> that isn't really my choice.
You just said humans don't have those instincts anymore?!
C21ILW
it's not "rejection", and there's no "lowering of IQ".
what there is, as is explained in AoK, Ap5, 7 & 8, is an augmentation of global
TD E/I, and this results in all of the nervous systems information-processing
occurring relatively slowly [vs. same nervous system experiencing relatively
minimized TD E/I].
the effect is exactly analogous to the effect of a boss demanding that a worker
"get this [enormous stack of] work done in the next fifteen minutes".
the worker can try, but she/he will descend into "chaos", having an outward
appearance to one who remains unaware of the impossible load, of "being
stupid".
it's not "rejection", and "IQ" remains unaffected. it's only performance that
deteriorates.
big difference.
that all of this is not generally comprehended is not only a sorrow, but an
awesome ravager of Humanity, willfully-sustained, being akin to self-imolation.
k. p. collins
CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
> Erm yeah I'll believe all that about the code when I see it...
Good trick if you work for Microsoft... Don't expect me to be so
trusting to give you all my hard work for free just to proove you wrong!
> > Oh maybe they once did... once about a time. I don't know about the
> > past, but I'm pretty sure they don't have any right now.
>
> oh good, a social scientist and anthropologist as well as cyberlegend.
> my my.
That is my observation. You might agree with it or not, your choice.
> You are a defect? right...
>
> And I'm increasingly believing that you are one of these that defines
> themselves as abnormal, on the fringes of society, not fitting in,
> defective etc.. so you can hang out at alt.whatever and appear novel
> and 'cool' just like a hundred thousand others, so its not really that
> different after all. Defining yourself as not within society is
> pretty well meaningless, only society itself can put you in that
> position.
By scientific definition, I have the Asperger syndrome. The society has
put me in the position of "out of it", namely, at nearly any particular
moment you will se no humans intentionaly within a 2 meter range around
me (sometimes practicaly observable; if there is to be any empty space
in a given room, it will be around me).
> > I've got instincts that tell me to cooperate with you and help you, so
> > that isn't really my choice.
>
> You just said humans don't have those instincts anymore?!
Oh, excuse the naming method. The advanced phrase, which I simplify to
"humans" is [let me look up the dictionary] "muggles" (I think). But
since they and their logic is so very common and within their society
thought to be the only truly existant one (logic), "humans" seems to fit
in well and then I'll just say I and my kind are something else (oh, and
it fits well to old Legends as well). Anyway, it's the easiest way to
let humans understand (basicaly they can't, but better than nothing).
Anyway, I don't see any cooperational or pack-keeping instinct with
humans, except with cubs. If you think you do, then you better take
another lesson on what an instinct is...
Kyle Capizzi
"CyberLegend aka Jure Sah" <jure...@guest.arnes.si> wrote in message
news:3C983191...@guest.arnes.si...
> The society has
> put me in the position of "out of it", namely, at nearly any particular
> moment you will se no humans intentionaly within a 2 meter range around
> me (sometimes practicaly observable; if there is to be any empty space
> in a given room, it will be around me).
>
C'mon, we know you stink, but a 2 meter radius?
CyberLegend aka Jure Sah
> > The society has
> > put me in the position of "out of it", namely, at nearly any particular
> > moment you will se no humans intentionaly within a 2 meter range around
> > me (sometimes practicaly observable; if there is to be any empty space
> > in a given room, it will be around me).
> >
>
> C'mon, we know you stink, but a 2 meter radius?
A very funny situation indeed...