Genuine Art - Producing It, Recognizing it (Note on Art by KNT)

Koos Nolst Trenite

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This applies to any form of art, because it applies to art itself.

Improving The Creation Or Performance Of Art

This Note on Art started, however, with someone having the desire to
improve the activity of a painter:

By making the artist make his brush go faster, would you get a
better painting?
By making the artist make his brush go slower, would you get a
better painting?

As a general answer, I would say 'No' to both. The question itself is
already very strange, coming from a lesser level of understanding
than the appreciation - the experience of Beauty and emotions - of
art itself, requires.

The level of Beauty and emotion is what counts, so it is a matter of
how much ability can be exerted to express these, and it is a matter
of how much Beauty and emotion is there to be expressed.

In other words, you would want to work on, or increase, or stabilize,
or regain

1. The ability to express genuine Beauty and genuine emotion.

(Which is a matter of generating, and connecting to,
the Life Energies of expressing and communicating.)

2. The amount of genuine Beauty and genuine emotion to be
expressed.

(Which is a matter of generating, and connecting to,
the Life Energies of Beauty and of Emotions.)

What Is Genuine

Definition of 'genuine': It is that what is properly and
rightly connected in relation to who or what it is.

This might be easier understood by stating what is not genuine:

An actor with a heart of stone, who nevertheless has a great or
perfect command over Life's Energies that convey emotions and Beauty,
such an actor can act a perfect lover or mother or father, etc.

Yet the emotions are not connected to the actor, not created by
himself. And indeed, such actors - even if they act the perfect
actor acting perfectly - (they) do work with Life Energies they have
taken from others, but they wield these with great perfection.

I leave it to you, at the moment, to recognize such actors as
being very different from those with a warm heart of their own.

So it is also in music, and in singing, and in writing, and so on.

And again, you can name a whole spate of musicians, singers,
authors and so on, who have their fame on, let's say "borrowed"
Life Energy for the moment, to meet your current tolerance of
awareness of that what is.

And so also in painting. With the most outstanding example being
Vincent Van Gogh, who used the greatest Beauty and emotions that he
did not however use in life, Beauty and emotions that he indeed did
not generate himself.

Van Gogh worked entirely with Life's Energies of Beauty and emotions
taken from others, taken from actual, genuinely great artists -
while he was pretending, also to himself, that these were his "own"
Beauty and his "own" emotions.

Vincent Van Gogh genuinely - as has been extensively witnessed by his
contemporaries - was a repulsively ugly, a rudely inconsiderate and
completely mendacious individual with no genuine care at all for
anyone, with no care for himself either ...even though he was most
forcefully pretending the opposite to himself, to his brother and to
anyone else.
Van Gogh did however not manage to fool Gaugin for very long.

As we have seen, Vincent Van Gogh has introduced more confusion and
more Ugliness into the field of art - opening the road for others to
follow his example - than probably any other artist did in painting.
And the same was done by some writers, and it is also done in music.
I don't like to mention names now, but leave it to you for the
moment to become aware of the idea, and maybe to work with it.

Vincent Van Gogh did introduce a tremendous amount of hidden Ugliness
and confusion. He did so by pretending to be Beautiful, and by
pretending to be caring, and by pretending to be "genuine"
...pretending it vehemently to himself too: If he could only live for
and in Art - live in the Beautiful Life Energy he had "borrowed"
from the very great and the very Beautiful, then he would not feel,
not experience, his own extreme Ugliness, he could pretend it did
not exist while he painted.

How many people he completely deceived, including the singer Don
McLean, and me too, in various ways, we can now faintly estimate.

You can, in this way, with this knowledge, determine other artists,
in any field of art, music, acting, writing, etc. who are not
genuine. Again, I prefer not to mention names, now.

These "famous artists" are not genuine, and they will never be
genuine ...no matter how much acclaim, fame, admiration and money
they commanded, or still command.

I am slowly waking up from these rather harmful and actually very ugly
deceptions.
I am waking up somewhat from that, as I promised a few months ago
that I would get some of my Beauty Energy back and away from places
where people would not expect it, places where they certainly would
not want my Beauty Energy mis-identified, mis-appropriated by the
current imposters.

Well, most of you have been made quite unaware, and so you would
think I am talking in Pleiades. I use that word, because it rhymes
with Chinese, but one billion or so people here understand Chinese,
so I can't use the expression 'I am talking Chinese to you' that
would be appropriate to an English-speaker. So I use the word
Pleiades, instead:

'I talk Pleiades' to most people currently - it takes a few
centuries usually, before it trickles through into what you are
taught are "your brain cells holding your memories." Such a
remark would be considered hilarious in Pleiades, you see.

They really would think you are joking, or insulting someone -
if such a concept (the concept of insulting someone) would
exist in Pleiades.

I wish some others too would start to come out of the grip of
Morpeus, the Greek god of Euphoria. Some people, like Billy Crystal
and the actor Robin Williams, currently, think they are very high up
in spirits. They are Energetic, but that is not the same as being
somewhat aware of what is actually going on.

And don't think the 'very wise gurus' or any 'lamas' have any idea of
what's up - they are very, very selectively aware of what they want
to be aware of only - "they don't see a train coming," so to speak.

It is rather lonely and stormy up here, you know.

I would have some people to play with, to create and appreciate
genuine Beauty with... Well, "you never know, do you" - that's how a
currently famous medium likes to explain it to her clients.

Anyone wants to be woken up, and has the courage to stay awake too,
in the stormy mountains (which lie very far beyond the misty
mountains, and fifty leagues beyond Mount Doom) let me know...

Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet

John Jones

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Dec 22, 2002, 8:57:15 PM12/22/02

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Cant handle it
nice though
fair do's
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Jack

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As an emotional person (not sure about beauty, I tend to find that in other
people/things etc...),
life has not made me an artist, a musician, a writer, a philosopher, a poet
or an artist.

You see craftmanship (ability and talent) is also required, something which
I lack. So write on laureate in arms, but remember that whilst all can feel
emotions and beauty, only artists can express themselves in such a way as to
be heard for almost all eternity.

J.

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keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com

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Dec 23, 2002, 9:00:50 PM12/23/02

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You have thought yourself into a circle and you will never get out. You have
committed the usual mistake of assuming the English language to be an
absolute conduit metaphor. You are now certifiable.

k

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Koos Nolst Trenite

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Of course there are those individuals, who rather not have others see
what is genuine and what isn't. They will stoop to any means to hide
their actual, unmentioned intentions from those who might see. And
they use any means at their disposal to try and confuse others about
their - for them 'undisclosable' - intentions.

But I tend to bring such to the surface - as someone else put it,
it's the desinfectant quality of sunshine...

Koos "Cause Trinity"

human rights philosopher and poet

in rec.arts.fine
on 2002-12-18 12:52:50 PST
the individual I refer to wrote,
in response to a kind and sensitive poster (muz64 <gum...@tin.it>)

> Yes I see your problem. You assume the English language is
> absolutely structured along the conduit metaphor.

and he adds then,

> I hope this is of help.

in rec.arts.fine
on 2002-12-19 08:20:45 PST
the individual referred to wrote about himself

> My father once said to me: "Keith - you are too smart for
> your own good", but as a child I did not understand. Over the years
> I came to understand that I had a creative ability to twist and
> turn words phrases and ideas to such a degree that I could easily
> hide myself from myself.

> It is the openness of my wife - no manipulation - no hiding - this
> is how she feels - she is a human being capable of feeling pain and
> pleasure and unlike me she does not hide it. It is she who, over
> the past twenty five years, found, stoked and fed the dying embers
> of my humanity.
(he wrote that in response to Alison Raimes<alison...@yahoo.co.uk>)

John Jones

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Dec 24, 2002, 9:18:37 PM12/24/02

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I look at you Sir, and say, ''what do you mean that you
say you are a 'laureate in arms''.
I must have you for a specimen, my man! -something I
can introduce in my seminar circuit!
You should likely do most well as an example of a brain
mishap art buffoon.
And with your performance and my salutory moral, I will
leave our audience with the sentiment that we must bow
our heads to our fate, then its squishi squami.
Forever!!

squishi squami to eturniti

JJ

> As an emotional person (not sure about beauty, I tend
to find that in other
> people/things etc...),
> life has not made me an artist, a musician, a writer,
a philosopher, a poet
> or an artist.
>
> You see craftmanship (ability and talent) is also
required, something which
> I lack. So write on laureate in arms, but remember
that whilst all can feel
> emotions and beauty, only artists can express
themselves in such a way as to
> be heard for almost all eternity.
>
> J.
>

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John Jones

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Dec 24, 2002, 10:02:28 PM12/24/02

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Listen - he called you a conduit metaphor or something.
He wasn't very nice. No, he wasn't.
I will condure my metaphor.. hang on.. no.. just a
wriggle..
.. oops! ..there it is. My metaphor is now in conduit.
I will leave the IU - 'instructions for use', next to
the flaming arrowheads. Make sure it is the right
model - its the, 'flaming arrowhead of justice
matching pair model xL'.

Here, I will sing a song upon your interesting text-
tra li la dee
- a song of
ancient bacon fry ups
new banana skins
and jolly divils all t'nite long
cheers

JJ

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R

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Dec 31, 2002, 1:54:32 PM12/31/02

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You work with what you've got.

I love the ideas of Something-hausen. It doesn't stop me from loving
Beethoven's art also.

> > As we have seen, Vincent Van Gogh has introduced more confusion and
> > more Ugliness into the field of art - opening the road for others to
> > follow his example - than probably any other artist did in painting.
> > And the same was done by some writers, and it is also done in music.
> > I don't like to mention names now, but leave it to you for the
> > moment to become aware of the idea, and maybe to work with it.
> >

Would you like an aspirin?

R
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dc

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> > > As we have seen, Vincent Van Gogh has introduced more confusion and
> > > more Ugliness into the field of art - opening the road for others to
> > > follow his example - than probably any other artist did in painting.

But his was due to mental illness, right?

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