If they called them chips, this would never happen
Alan Allport
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030916/ap_on_go_co/freedom_fries_1
"They were noncooperative and arrogant then," before the war, "and they are
again noncooperative and arrogant," says Bob Ney, R-Ohio. "I haven't seen a
huge change."
He's talking about the French, incidentally, not the House.
Alan.
Martha Bridegam
Alan Allport wrote:
"Ney"? Say, isn't that a *French* name?
<http://home.pacbell.net/mabjo/martha.html#58>
/M
Tom Deveson
>America's heroes continue to concentrate on the vital issues:
>
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030916/ap_on_go_co/freedom_f
>ries_1
Hard to imagine Thora Hird's Nellie-in-the-ginnel -- as recalled via
Alan Bennett -- making excuses for her lack of overt erotic passion by
referring to her preoccupation with her 'fish and freedom fries'.
Tom
--
Tom Deveson
Morton Summers
news:3F68938C...@pacbell.net:
> http://home.pacbell.net/mabjo/martha.html#58
Martha, a some weeks ago an in-law of mine *did* demand that we
return the Statue of Liberty to France. Managed to talk him out of
it, and presumably in the morning he remembered nothing.
However, do you remember "Liberty Cabbage" (=Sauerkraut during the
more fanatically anti-German times of WWI. Hopefully "freedom fries"
will go the same way, only a lot quicker.
--
Mort Summers
Alan Allport
news:Xns93F9E1A8144FBO...@204.127.36.1...
> However, do you remember "Liberty Cabbage" (=Sauerkraut during the
> more fanatically anti-German times of WWI. Hopefully "freedom fries"
> will go the same way, only a lot quicker.
And isn't it about time we got rid of the awful Windsors and brought back
those nice Saxe-Coburg-Gothas?
Alan.
Martha Bridegam
Morton Summers wrote:
> Martha Bridegam <ma...@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:3F68938C...@pacbell.net:
>
> > http://home.pacbell.net/mabjo/martha.html#58
>
> Martha, a some weeks ago an in-law of mine *did* demand that we
> return the Statue of Liberty to France. Managed to talk him out of
> it, and presumably in the morning he remembered nothing.
good gravy. there's always one notch more shockingness than you expect.
Thanks.
What was his rationale?
>
>
> However, do you remember "Liberty Cabbage" (=Sauerkraut during the
> more fanatically anti-German times of WWI.
Not personally. ;-)
> Hopefully "freedom fries"
> will go the same way, only a lot quicker.
...and without the rest of the trappings. See
<http://www.duluthhistory.com/stories/wwi.htm> & especially scroll down
to "Minnesota Public Safety Commission."
/M
David Tomlin
> Morton Summers wrote:
> > Martha, a some weeks ago an in-law of mine *did* demand that we
> > return the Statue of Liberty to France. Managed to talk him out of
> > it, and presumably in the morning he remembered nothing.
> good gravy. there's always one notch more shockingness than you expect.
At this point, I would think many of the French also think we should
return it.
Besides, lots of nativists would like to get rid of that "tired, poor"
poem.
David Tomlin
Alan Hogue
Martha Bridegam wrote:
>Morton Summers wrote:
>
>
>
>>opefully "freedom fries"
>>will go the same way, only a lot quicker.
>>
>>
>
>....and without the rest of the trappings. See
><http://www.duluthhistory.com/stories/wwi.htm> & especially scroll down
>to "Minnesota Public Safety Commission."
>
>/M
>
>
I think to combat this humiliating trend, americans should take to using
the word freedom as a euphemism for more unpleasant things. As in,
"Stick it up your freedom hole, buddy!"
Alan H.
Martha Bridegam
David Tomlin wrote:
And those whiny old Rights of Man, I suppose.
<http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/rightsof.htm>
--
BTW, is this man serious?
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/18/opinion/18FRIE.html?pagewanted=print&position=>
/M
Morton Summers
news:3F695D4E...@pacbell.net:
>
>
> Morton Summers wrote:
>
>> Martha Bridegam <ma...@pacbell.net> wrote in
>> news:3F68938C...@pacbell.net:
>>
>> > http://home.pacbell.net/mabjo/martha.html#58
>>
>> Martha, a some weeks ago an in-law of mine *did* demand that we
>> return the Statue of Liberty to France. Managed to talk him
>> out of it, and presumably in the morning he remembered nothing.
>
> good gravy. there's always one notch more shockingness than you
> expect.
>
> Thanks.
>
> What was his rationale?
>
Not much of one. He was drunk, and had no more than feelings of
resentment and outrage at the French for not following us (much like
Simpsons' Groundskeeper Willie forced to teach that language by
budget cuts: "Bonjourrrr, ya cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys!").
Sound and fury signifying little. Thought I was making that clearer
by "in the morning he remembered nothing" -- sorry.
<snip>
>> Hopefully "freedom fries"
>> will go the same way, only a lot quicker.
>
> ...and without the rest of the trappings. See
> <http://www.duluthhistory.com/stories/wwi.htm> & especially
> scroll down to "Minnesota Public Safety Commission."
Who was it who said words to the effect that there was nothing
quite as dangereous as a Commission of Public Safety? Maybe
C.S. Lewis....
--
Mort Summers
Martha Bridegam
Morton Summers wrote:
I dunno. A State Sovereignty Commission might be even worse.
/M
Morton Summers
<snip>
>> >> Hopefully "freedom fries" will go the same way, only a lot
>> >> quicker.
>> >
>> > ...and without the rest of the trappings. See
>> > <http://www.duluthhistory.com/stories/wwi.htm> & especially
>> > scroll down to "Minnesota Public Safety Commission."
>>
>> Who was it who said words to the effect that there was nothing
>> quite as dangereous as a Commission of Public Safety? Maybe
>> C.S. Lewis....
>>
>> -- Mort Summers
>
> I dunno. A State Sovereignty Commission might be even worse.
>
>
That it might.
/M's reply set me to learn about Mississippi's reaction to Brown v.
Board Of Education: The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission. It
was a one-state, scalled-down FBI/CIAoid type of thing, that operated
under the hazy screen of state's rights to try and restore the
"status qondam" [the way things used to be] in race-relations. The
enemies, of course, were individual activists, NAACP, CORE, etc.
(They were active from 1956-1973, when they were defunded but not
disbanded -- '77 was the year they officially did that).
If someone had come to me, back in the early seventies, and described
a run-in with these people, I'd have suggested that they think about
smoking less dope and getting more fresh air. But now they're
teaching it as part of even schoolchildren's history:
<http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/features/feature35/sovereignty.html>
Things like this tend to confirm me the pessimistic belief that our
real chance of knowing what goes on in contemporary crises is very
small, for example, the WMD story in Iraq.
Maybe, when all of the principals in the recent war have died or
retired powerlessly, we'll get some bright, knowledgeable person in
the entertainment business to produce what their idea is. If it's
popular enough, and doesn't contain too many other errors of fact, it
perhaps will come to be thought of as "what really happened" by such
members of future generations as care to know...
--
Mort Summers
"Eloquent speech is not fitting for a fool; even less are lies
fitting for a ruler." -- Proverbs 17:7,NLT
Martha Bridegam
Morton Summers wrote:
Thank you for this. I had no idea the material was online. Fascinating
stuff even for only semi-political purposes like seeing what student
activists' newsletters looked like forty years ago.
To reciprocate: the ACLU report on the King surveillance is at
<http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=10610&c=207>. As
footnoted there, the Church Committee report, available in the
government documents section of any larger academic library, is Senate
Report No. 94-755 (1976). Volume III is the most frequently quoted.
There seems to be an online version of some of the report at
<http://www.cointel.org>. I don't know if this site is reputable, nor
have I read the other material there, which for all I know could be
problematic -- but EPIC and ALA do cite to it. I guess, given the
choice, I'd rather just go read the whole report in a library some time
when I've got a spare week. I've read a little of it, and it is
disturbing. One hopes such things are behind us.
/M
Morton Summers
<snip>
> Thank you for this. I had no idea the material was online.
> Fascinating stuff even for only semi-political purposes like
> seeing what student activists' newsletters looked like forty
> years ago.
>
> To reciprocate: the ACLU report on the King surveillance is at
> <http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=10610&c=207>.
> As footnoted there, the Church Committee report, available in
> the government documents section of any larger academic library,
> is Senate Report No. 94-755 (1976). Volume III is the most
> frequently quoted.
>
> There seems to be an online version of some of the report at
> <http://www.cointel.org>. I don't know if this site is
> reputable, nor have I read the other material there, which for
> all I know could be problematic -- but EPIC and ALA do cite to
> it. I guess, given the choice, I'd rather just go read the whole
> report in a library some time when I've got a spare week. I've
> read a little of it, and it is disturbing. One hopes such things
> are behind us.
You're welcome. Thanks very much for the ACLU-King material.
Martha, I must say that, by my standards, you're tough -- frankly I'd
fear for my composure, at the very least, if I were to spend a week
in a quiet library reading with such a report as my principal
reading.
Unfortunately, I suspect with both hands that we will not put such
things behind us anytime soon. Not at any rate, while intelligence
agencies have ready access to Chuck Colsons ("I would walk over my
grandmother, if necessary, for Nixon."), or Fromm's True Believers,
or any number of types of effective semi-sociopaths; has Causes or
Persons to offer absolution in the name of; and dirty or occasionally
wet work that just has to be done...
--
Mort Summers
Martha Bridegam
Morton Summers wrote:
> .....
>
> You're welcome. Thanks very much for the ACLU-King material.
> Martha, I must say that, by my standards, you're tough -- frankly I'd
> fear for my composure, at the very least, if I were to spend a week
> in a quiet library reading with such a report as my principal
> reading....
I didn't say I was going to do that any time soon. It was an
aspirational statement.
/M