good tape drive for 5.0.6
Darryl
I installed Openserver 5.0.6 on a machine. I need to provide for backups.
Originally I thought about CDRW, but it looked like software, etc would be
required in addition to the drive. Now I'm thinking tape drive. I only
need to
put 2GB or so on the tape, so I don't need anything super fancy (expensive).
What tape drive would work good with 5.0.6 ? I don't have a SCSI card in
this box, but if the tape drive was reasonably priced and reliable then the
SCSI card is no problem. I know, I know. Some would have me spend a boat
load of bucks on the drive as my data is valuable. But I really have a
modest budget
for the tape drive.
Thanks for any recommendations,
Darryl
Dan
"Darryl" <dlh...@ruraltel.net> wrote in message
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First off, I have no idea if there is a good IDE solution with a tape drive.
I would consider 8mm. I found this place using Pricewatch.com They
include a one year guarantee.
http://www.westernbackup.com/8mm_drives.htm
The price getting into the hundreds there for a guaranteed exabyte tape
drive.
If you are not that picky, you can be setup for under $100 from the going
prices on ebay. Prices seem to range from $10 to $109. I did search for
exabyte, you want at least an 8505. It would be used however, so you are
taking your chances. I got one for myself a few years ago. Great to know
it is worth a fourth of what I paid for it, come to that though, I don't
think my PIII is worth much either. At any rate, I buy my tapes from
Target. Same specs as the tapes used for 8mm cameras.
What I have seen mostly in the SCO newsgroups is DDS, but I am pretty
ignorant there as well. I finally went cheap DLT, but even used the tapes
still run over $20 a piece.
Good Luck!
Scott McMillan
wrote:
We've found the Tandberg QIC drives to be reliable.
pcsurplusonline.com has a bunch of the Tandberg SLR5 (4/8Gb) drives -
refurbished - for $20.00. http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/allcat.cfm?
Tapes for this drive can be a bit expensive, though.
They also have the 2Gb Tandberg drives for $10.00 (refurb). That's
about as cheap as I think you'll find for something that will actually
work.
Try pricewatch, or maybe even www.compgeeks.com for SCSI controllers.
Scott McMillan
Bill Vermillion
Since he said he needs only to backup 2GB then a DDS2 drive would
adequate. New they are about $500 - not being made but left over
new stock. Tapes are reasonably priced.
DDS-3 is for those that need more but the drives are more
expensive.
The end of the line for DDS is DDS-4. They had specs for DDS-5 but
none will be produced. Data use expanded to much to be able to
cram anymore into the small form factor.. DDS drives and tapes are
expensive.
The vxa drive is pretty decently priced. It evolved from the
format of DDS. Those have been having specials lately and they
have been acquired by Quantum as I recall to add a low end to their
high-end drives. I've not used one but all the reports are good.
Above that you start getting expensive with the AIT, DLT, and so
forth.
Bill
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Ben Rosenthal
> Greetings,
> I installed Openserver 5.0.6 on a machine. I need to provide for backups.
> Originally I thought about CDRW, but it looked like software, etc would be
> required in addition to the drive.
The cost of the software ~$300 retail and the drive ~<100 (I am sure you can
find a CDRW drive for less than that) equal the price of a tape drive alone.
The software BackupEdge or equivalent provide many other important (IMHO)
services. The media is cheep and reliable.
> Now I'm thinking tape drive. I only
> need to
> put 2GB or so on the tape, so I don't need anything super fancy (expensive).
The problem with good tape drives is they are not cheep. I recommend Tandberg.
You can get them used and will have to add a SCSI card. The kicker is the
media.
You can also look at DDS tape drives (with SCSI card). Same issues as above.
>
>
> What tape drive would work good with 5.0.6 ? I don't have a SCSI card in
> this box, but if the tape drive was reasonably priced and reliable then the
> SCSI card is no problem. I know, I know. Some would have me spend a boat
> load of bucks on the drive as my data is valuable. But I really have a
> modest budget
> for the tape drive.
>
>
> Thanks for any recommendations,
> Darryl
Ben
Tony Lawrence
> Greetings,
> I installed Openserver 5.0.6 on a machine. I need to provide for backups.
> Originally I thought about CDRW,
DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
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I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves. Some of my
suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to obsolete. I keep waiting
for technology dust to settle - don't want to get caught with a bunch of
obsoletes in addtion to me being obsolete.
I just picked up an IDE HP DVD200i DVD+RW. Microlite says it will work, it
is seen as an IDE CDROM by the OS. Haven't installed it in anything yet.
I still use DDS drives on serious missions. You can still buy some DDS2,
DDS3 and current DDS4. You might check the refurbished houses for DAT/DDS. A
DDS2 would fit your size best, but a DDS4 will backup a ton at blazing speed
by my measure.
DDS tapes are cheap, I pay around $ 5 for DDS2, $ 10 for DDS3 and $ 17 for
DDS4. I buy them wholesale, but I have seen good or better deals on-line.
Tony Lawrence
> "Tony Lawrence" <to...@pcunix.com> wrote in message
> news:3D7E1E98...@pcunix.com...
>
>>DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
>>
>
>
> I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves. Some of my
> suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to obsolete. I keep waiting
> for technology dust to settle - don't want to get caught with a bunch of
> obsoletes in addtion to me being obsolete.
Of course it's on its way out. It will be replaced by optical
holographic strorage that will store more data than most of us could
ever imagine having. But so what? It's as cheap as tape, it's much
more reliable, and when something better comes along you change if you
want to.
Bill Vermillion
Tony Lawrence <to...@pcunix.com> wrote:
>Bob Meyers wrote:
>> "Tony Lawrence" <to...@pcunix.com> wrote in message
>> news:3D7E1E98...@pcunix.com...
>>
>>>DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
>>>
>>
>>
>> I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves. Some of my
>> suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to obsolete. I keep waiting
>> for technology dust to settle - don't want to get caught with a bunch of
>> obsoletes in addtion to me being obsolete.
>Of course it's on its way out. It will be replaced by optical
>holographic strorage that will store more data than most of us could
>ever imagine having. But so what? It's as cheap as tape, it's much
>more reliable, and when something better comes along you change if you
>want to.
Well it's going away fairly fast. And it does have the 4.7GB
limit. The new tape drives are reasonable. 4.7GB may have BEEN
more thatn most of could imagine having but with the new 160 and
200GB IDEs drive at under $400 though the 180GB SCSI's still list
about about 1800 nothing matches them in speed.
The little Ecrix VXA-1 drives list at $699 and store up to 66GB in
compressed mode, 33MB native. The VXA-2 stores 80GB in native mode.
If you need media compatiblity and have many OS variants the IDE
versions are support in the MS side
I'll still take tape. And the more expensive drives are over 200GB
tape now.
Bob Meyers
> Bob Meyers wrote:
> > "Tony Lawrence" <to...@pcunix.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D7E1E98...@pcunix.com...
> >
> >>DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
> >>
> >
> >
> > I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves. Some of my
> > suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to obsolete. I keep
waiting
> > for technology dust to settle - don't want to get caught with a bunch of
> > obsoletes in addtion to me being obsolete.
>
> Of course it's on its way out. It will be replaced by optical
> holographic strorage that will store more data than most of us could
> ever imagine having. But so what? It's as cheap as tape, it's much
> more reliable, and when something better comes along you change if you
> want to.
>
Yeah but... I noticed manfacturers are not jumping into DVD-RAM, in fact
they seem to be intentionally avoiding it. They know something I don't, and
that worries me. Maybe DVD-RAM is the Beta-Max of DVD standards, with a
similar fate.
pablo hernandez
Bill Vermillion <b...@wjv.comREMOVE> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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For backups is many year I am using removable hards IOMEGA JAZZ , now is 2
GB.
I use as /dev/rhd10
nothing is faster , nothing more reliable.
Price is acceptable
Pablo
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>Darryl wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> I installed Openserver 5.0.6 on a machine. I need to provide for backups.
>> Originally I thought about CDRW,
>
>DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
Methinks DVD-RAM is gonna go away. The price of DVD+RW drives just
dropped from $500 to $200.
<http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=H24-1794%20P>
which puts it in the commodity class. $4/ea for 4.7GB media. The
drive will also burn CDR and CDRW disks. I haven't tried it with
OSR5, yet.
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Bill Vermillion
Newer things followed - includuding the DVD+RW.
And Beta was one of the most successful things Sony did. It
migrated upwards into the BetaCam and became the standard for about
85% of the TV stations around the world. Selling one $50,000
Beta-Cam unit yield more profit per unit than $400 home units. :-)
And DVD is about as good as ED-Beta [resolution is better on ED but
the chroma noise is worse].
In the DVD-??? wars you have Toshiba, Hitachi and Panasonic on
the DVD-RAM side and you have Sony, Phillips, Yamaha, Verbatim,
Ricoh, Dell, Mitsubishi and HP on the DVD+RW side. That was the
basic/initial polarization.
Note that DVD+RW is not the same as DVD-RW, Talk about format wars
in the video world - this is more confusing than just the three
audio quad format.
The lins to www.dvdforum.com aren't working here [could be
connection problem], but the www.dvdrw.com, the page of
the DVD+RW Alliance works. That should give you a start.
You'll will also find some white-papers which discuss the technical
details [PDF formats]
Have fun.
Bill
D. Thomas Podnar
>
> "Tony Lawrence" <to...@pcunix.com> wrote in message
> news:3D7E1E98...@pcunix.com...
> >
> > DVDRAM is a far better idea. See http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
> >
>
> I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves. Some of my
> suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to obsolete. I keep waiting
> for technology dust to settle - don't want to get caught with a bunch of
> obsoletes in addtion to me being obsolete.
I wish I had seen this thread a week ago. I'd have commented on it
before.
I'd been using the mail gateway and not a news reader.
Anyway, your suppliers are WRONG.
Let me try to set the record straight. It will take a while.
For those who don't know, there are FIVE (5) different media formats for
DVD.
The only thing they have in common is that the media is round, and looks
similar.
They all have different write methods and capabilities.
DVD-RAM
DVD-RW
DVD-R
DVD+RW
DVD+R
DVD-RAM is designed for data, and happens to work well with video.
All the other formats are designed for video and can be used for data.
DVD-RAM, DVD-R and DVD-RW come from one camp.
DVD-RAM is most often use in a cartridge similar to old CD cartridges,
which protects it. It can be written over 100,000 times, and is random
access read and write.
DVD-RW can be over-written up to 1,000 times. It is a disk-at-once
medium, which means you start writing, then write to completion.
DVD-R is write once.
DVD+RW and DVD+R are from a different camp.
DVD+RW can be over-written up to 1,000 times. Technically, and can
also
be used in a packet writing mode.
DVD+R is a write once.
All of course have random access once written.
What is being "on its way to obsolete" with DVD-RAM devices is their
SCSI
versions.
The original SCSI versions supported DVD-RAM reading and writing, and CD
reading. Examples: Panasonic LF-D291U, Hitachi GF-2050.
SCSI is the only media that can be easily written on under OpenServer
releases trhough 5.0.6.
All newer devices have gone to ATAPI only. This is a problem for
OpenServer, and I'll explain a bit more later.
To POTENTIALLY ease some of the confusion, and to allow you to use the
correct media for the job, current generation devices support multiple
writing formats.
There are CURRENTLY ATAPI devices that support...
o DVD-RAM Read/Write
o DVD-R Read/Write (Write Once)
o CD Read
Example. Panasonic LF-D311U, LF-D321U
o DVD-RW Read/Write
o DVD-R Read/Write (Write Once)
o CD-R Read/Write (Write Once)
o CD-RW Read/Write
Example, Pioneer DVR-A04
o DVD+RW Read/Write
o DVD+R Read/Write (Write Once)
o CD-R Read/Write (Write Once)
o CD-RW Read/Write
Example, Hewlett Packard DVD200
As we move along, we'll see even more improvements. The next generation
Panasonic, due out next month, supports the following.
o DVD-RAM
o DVD-RW
o DVD-R
o CD-R
o CD-RW
With the right software, you'll simply be able to insert any of those
media types and they'll work.
Not to be outdone, Sony and NEC have announced products that will bridge
the gap between the two camps, by announcing devices that support...
o DVD-RW
o DVD+RW
o DVD-R
o DVD+R
o CD-RW
o CD-R
All of the products mentioned are OEMd by many companies, so there may
be lots and lots of brand names for the models I've mentioned.
Now, on to OpenServer.
The device drivers in OpenServer 5.0.6a and earlier do not pass through
enough of a command set to support writing to any of the ATAPI devices,
or for that matter even a CD writer. So you are limited to SCSI, and
that means DVD-RAM only today.
Fortunately, under OpenServer 5.0.7, currently in beta, we've worked
with the SCO engineering team to ensure that the driver works with all
of the current media types. It will be only one of the reasons why
5.0.7 will be a MUST upgrade for many current OpenServer users.
Panasonic has a more industrial focus. DVD-RAM is an industrial format.
The others, although quite useful for data, are primarily designed
to be compatible with your home DVD player, and so are not as good all
around as DVD-RAM. This is why, although we currently support all of the
media types but DVD-RW, we prefer DVD-RAM for data backups.
It isn't going anywhere. Like the other formats, we'll see speed
enhancements first, then capacity enhancements moving forward.
http://www.maxell-data.com/techinfo/index.shtml
This URL has some nice short papers on the various types of
DVD media.
There is no "driver" support for any of these devices under most
operating systems. If you have software that supports them, you
write to them directly, then either read from them directly or
simply use the CD-ROM driver as necessary.
>
> I just picked up an IDE HP DVD200i DVD+RW. Microlite says it will work, it
> is seen as an IDE CDROM by the OS. Haven't installed it in anything yet.
It's not SCSI and it won't work on less than 5.0.7. Our web site is
pretty
clear on that. Linux or Open UNIX 8 will be fine.
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Bill Vermillion
>> "Tony Lawrence" <to...@pcunix.com> wrote in message
>> news:3D7E1E98...@pcunix.com...
>> > DVDRAM is a far better idea. See
>> > http://pcunix.com/Reviews/dvdram.html
>> >
>> I want to do this DVD-RAM, but I get a lot of negative waves.
>> Some of my suppliers keep telling me DVD-RAM is on its way to
>> obsolete. I keep waiting for technology dust to settle - don't
>> want to get caught with a bunch of obsoletes in addtion to me
>> being obsolete.
>I wish I had seen this thread a week ago. I'd have commented
>on it before. I'd been using the mail gateway and not a news
>reader.
>Anyway, your suppliers are WRONG.
>Let me try to set the record straight. It will take a while.
>For those who don't know, there are FIVE (5) different media
>formats for DVD. The only thing they have in common is that the
>media is round, and looks similar.
Tom's descriptions deleted here as there is no need to repeat them.
For a much longer description of all the differences between
these five formats try this:
http://www.wwpi.com/SI_Current/Versatile_DVD.htm
Good article.