Sixturbo Tech Specs. Any interest?
G.B.Blackrock
being released. If this is at all like the recent Sixtrain release, I
expect that Takara will give Tech Spec bios for this team in the same
way that they gave the Sixtrain team bios. That time, I took Doug
Dlin's translations and used them for "Americanized" Tech Specs, which
can be found at http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/tfspecs.html.
The question is, is there any interest in my doing this for Sixturbo?
I can scan the images from the box, and do enough editing to them to
make reasonable Tech Spec images. I wouldn't be able to translate the
specs myself, but if that doesn't happen online already, I'm pretty
confident I can get a friend to do it. And while I'd probably get to
this eventually, since it's kind of nifty to have on hand, I might not
want to go to all the trouble right now if I'm the only transfan that
cares.
Any takers?
G.B. Blackrock
Gyumaoh
I can type them up again in Japanese and put them up like I did with
Sixliner... that is, once the post office delivers mine to me.
M Sipher
M "YES, We Want English Versions Of Their Techs..." Sipher
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Douglas W. Dlin
be just as eager to see them as I was for the SixTrain bios...and the
results would likely be the same, too. :-)
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Derik Smith
>be just as eager to see them as I was for the SixTrain bios...and the
>results would likely be the same, too. :-)
Yay, individual charactization!
Hey Doug, have you heard if the black recolor micromaster combiners have
the same specs as the normal ones?
(I ask since you seem to keep better tabs on such things than poor, lowly,
non-japanese-speaking/reading me.)
-Derik
"You have zero talent. Give up writing." -Yuki Eiri, Gravitation
One 757 can ruin your whole day.
I probably don't care what you think
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> Hey Doug, have you heard if the black recolor micromaster combiners
> have the same specs as the normal ones?
I haven't even heard if the regular ones have their own specs. I've
been a bit busy lately with RL stuff. :-P I'd say chances of separate
Reverse Evolution group specs are decent, at least, but wouldn't lay
money on it.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Dave Van Domelen
Got my set today. There's a couple pages of story on the back of the
instructions, but no specs.
Dave Van Domelen, also got Act 7 PVCs and a Stikfas in the same box, so
is swimming in new plastic things....
Derik Smith
>instructions, but no specs.
*waits patiently*
G.B.Blackrock
> In article <3D81645E...@texas.net>,
> Douglas W. Dlin <ap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep. 12, 2002, Derik Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Doug, have you heard if the black recolor micromaster combiners
> >> have the same specs as the normal ones?
> >
> >I haven't even heard if the regular ones have their own specs. I've
> >been a bit busy lately with RL stuff. :-P I'd say chances of separate
> >Reverse Evolution group specs are decent, at least, but wouldn't lay
> >money on it.
>
> Got my set today. There's a couple pages of story on the back of the
> instructions, but no specs.
No specs? Well *that's* a huge disappointment. I guess I can't make
Tech Specs for everybody, then. (I might go ahead with a "Sixturbo"
Tech Specs, since he got one back in G1). Still, I'd be interested in
hearing the translation of that story on the back.
G.B. Blackrock
Charles Calhoun
> I haven't even heard if the regular ones have their own specs. I've
> been a bit busy lately with RL stuff. :-P I'd say chances of separate
> Reverse Evolution group specs are decent, at least, but wouldn't lay
> money on it.
All six toys do have their own individual specs, just as with
Sixliner. However, the RE versions appear to have the exact same
instruction sheets and specs as the normal ones. Doea anyone have
both a reissue Sixturbo and a scanner?
MegaPlexor
news:89b340c6.02091...@posting.google.com...
I've already uploaded scans of the separate bios and parts of the catalog
for Doug Dlin. You can find them here:
http://members.fortunecity.com/mykooltoyz/index.html
Just scroll down to the "Temporary Scans" section and select the links.
-Rik
MegaPlexor
"MegaPlexor" <ruff...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Doug Dlin took a look at the scans and provided this tidbit of information:
The catalog scan does tell about the SixTurbo team getting turned into
Destrons by a "mind-changer virus," but it's not the same as the individual
bio info.
Heh...Road Police is a gun collector, Glide likes to give rides to Earth
babes, Circuit's a speed freak who keeps getting warnings from Road Police,
Neo-Wheel's a lone-wolf Nature Boy, Discharge is a femmebot, and Sireen's a
go-to info guy for strategy planning. :-)
He will provide more when he returns from vacation (possibly tonight).
-Rik
Douglas W. Dlin
>
[snip]
> He will provide more when he returns from vacation (possibly tonight).
>
Huzzah! I have returned! :-)
First, many thanks to you for providing the scans.
Now, the catalog info:
ENTER THE URBAN DISASTER RELIEF SPECIALISTS!!
In the course of their evolution, the Micromasters who crashed on Earth
divided into heroic Cybertrons and evil Destrons and began to war among
themselves. Using a part of their crashed spaceship as a base, the
Cybertron warriors resolved to stay on Earth until there was some hope
of returning to their home world of Seibertron. Wishing to co-exist
with the people of Earth, the Cybertron forces made the best of their
ability to transform and take action around the globe in order to smooth
communication with human society. Like the Liner Team, the members of
the Turbo Team participated and blended into human society. Already a
group of specialists in urban disaster relief, when faced with even
greater disasters, the Turbo Team combined and went into action as
Sixturbo and faced squarely against Destron assaults.
One day, the evil manipulators of the Destrons reached out for Road
Police while he was patrolling the highways. Using a mind-changer
virus, they reverse-evolved him into a Destron, and Road Police began
destroying the city. Circuit, Neo-Wheel, Glide and Discharge came
charging in, but one by one, the other members were also infected and
became Destrons. The deployed Cybertrons could only stand idly by,
unable to approach lest they also become infected.
At Digo's instructions, Sireen arrived after completing work with Joe on
the development of a vaccine program. However, the vaccine program
required a direct connection and installation time to be installed. Ino
order to minimize the infection damager, it was necessariy to install
the vaccine into all five members at the same time. Having worked out a
plan, Sireen approached to bargain with the Destronized warriors. "What
say I join you as a Destron and we become the ultimate fused fighter."
Having thus goaded them into combining, his strategy was to install the
vaccine at the same time as they merged. As Sixturbo began to combine,
Sireen struggled desperately, the virus flowing through his body. Just
when it was thought that Sixturbo was totally Destronized, he regained
his Cybertron self through the vaccine program. The Cybertrons'
strategy had succeeded.
Joy welled up among the Cybertrons. Sharing a firm handclasp under the
setting sun, Sixturbo and Sixliner vowed to each other to fight together
for peace. However, the Cybertrons had not yet noticed six shadows in
the sunset, gazing at them with cold optics.
To be continued...
[As you can see, the Reverse Evolution Turbo Team is supposed to be the
exact same characters as the regular one, so it's no wonder they don't
have different bios. And speaking of those bios...]
Patrol Car/ROAD POLICE
The leader of the Turbo Team, Road Police has a warm central processor
and a strong sense of justice. A gun collector without equal, he enjoys
accumulating Earth handguns, though he's annoyed that they're not the
right size for him. A master of the fast draw, he's the best of the
Micromasters in short-range marksmanship.
Motorbike/GLIDE
Among the Cybertrons, this warrior is known to be the happiest about
their coming to Earth. When not in combat, he can usually be seen
having fun tooling around, giving rides to Earthling females. He claims
it's all a part of his intelligence-gathering activities. Though he
appears frivolous, make no mistake, this fighter's got speed and
strength in spades.
F-1/CIRCUIT
Boasting of the highest speed of the Turbo Team, Circuit is often given
reconnaissance and messenger missions thanks to his impressive scouting
ability. Though unrivaled in driving technique, he is easily excited
and often races around wildly. This has earned him frequent warnings
from Road Police. Circuit has the special ability to converse with the wind(?).
[Yes, that question mark is there in the original. No, I'm not sure why.]
Super Car/NEO-WHEEL
An aloof, nature-loving warrior, Neo-Wheel has little taste for
following and participating in strategies with the rest of his team,
save for those that require combining. If anything, he is often found
in the wild amongst animals. He won't say for sure himself, but he
appears to have the special ability to communicate with the animals.
Circuit is indeed a warrior of many mysteries.
Fire Engine/DISCHARGE
Contrary to her robust outward appearance, Discharge is a female
Cybertron warrior. Few Cybertron fighters have seen her true
appearance, as she is usually equipped in her heat-resistant armor.
Devoting her passion to firefighting and rescue missions, Discharge
really shines, no matter how she looks on the outside. She doesn't
enjoy aggressively participating in battle, but she can be rather scary
when angered.
Ambulance/SIREEN
As his appearance suggests, Sireen is a doctor who conducts the
Cybertrons' health care and medical treatment. The equipment over his
head doesn't store offensive weaponry, but rather various medical tools
and devices so he can deal with all sorts of emergency repairs. He and
Digo of the Liner Team are old friends, and the two of them work
together as the "central processors" of the Micromasters for designing strategies.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> >Got my set today. There's a couple pages of story on the back of the
> >instructions, but no specs.
>
> *waits patiently*
>
pacemaker put in recently), and wasn't able to do much with the scans
kindly provided by Rik Ruff 'til I got back today.
See elsewhere in the thread for the results.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Derik Smith
>I wrote:
>>
>> *waits patiently*
>
>Sorry, I went on a weekend trip to visit the parental units (Dad had a
>pacemaker put in recently), and wasn't able to do much with the scans
>kindly provided by Rik Ruff 'til I got back today.
...
Any delay HARDLY required an APOLOGY. Still, it was cute of you to offer.
Derik Smith
>>pacemaker put in recently), and wasn't able to do much with the scans
>>kindly provided by Rik Ruff 'til I got back today.
>
Though, if you REALLY wanted to make it up to me, I did post a few
questions about Beast Wars Neo (inspringly called 'Some beast Wars neo
Questions...') about 100 threads ago that no one bit on...
Hydra
Now, if anyone complains again about Takara not giving any story
behind black recolors...
-Hydra
Charles Calhoun
> Now, the catalog info:
>
> ENTER THE URBAN DISASTER RELIEF SPECIALISTS!!
>
> In the course of their evolution, the Micromasters who crashed on Earth
> divided into heroic Cybertrons and evil Destrons and began to war among
> themselves. Using a part of their crashed spaceship as a base, the
> Cybertron warriors resolved to stay on Earth until there was some hope
> of returning to their home world of Seibertron. Wishing to co-exist
> with the people of Earth, the Cybertron forces made the best of their
> ability to transform and take action around the globe in order to smooth
> communication with human society. Like the Liner Team, the members of
> the Turbo Team participated and blended into human society. Already a
> group of specialists in urban disaster relief, when faced with even
> greater disasters, the Turbo Team combined and went into action as
> Sixturbo and faced squarely against Destron assaults.
We'll probably see some complaints about this, and it really is just a
bit too timely for my tastes. However, they do seem like a good team
of heroes, and the whole thing does seem well-intentioned.
Could this integration into human society help explain the humanized
names that some of the SixLiner guys have? I'd always sort of assumed
as much, since they're roughly human-sized.
> One day, the evil manipulators of the Destrons reached out for Road
> Police while he was patrolling the highways.
Huh. Is this referring to those bizarre entities like Devil Z and
Violenjiger that showed up in the JG1 cartoons?
> Motorbike/GLIDE
> Among the Cybertrons, this warrior is known to be the happiest about
> their coming to Earth. When not in combat, he can usually be seen
> having fun tooling around, giving rides to Earthling females. He claims
> it's all a part of his intelligence-gathering activities. Though he
> appears frivolous, make no mistake, this fighter's got speed and
> strength in spades.
Heheheh.
> Fire Engine/DISCHARGE
> Contrary to her robust outward appearance, Discharge is a female
> Cybertron warrior. Few Cybertron fighters have seen her true
> appearance, as she is usually equipped in her heat-resistant armor.
> Devoting her passion to firefighting and rescue missions, Discharge
> really shines, no matter how she looks on the outside. She doesn't
> enjoy aggressively participating in battle, but she can be rather scary
> when angered.
So she's the first canonical corroboration of that whole
metal-humans-in-armor schtick that's so prevalent in TF smut. Between
this and Glide's bio, I'm not sure whether to be bemused or terrified.
> Ambulance/SIREEN
> As his appearance suggests, Sireen is a doctor who conducts the
> Cybertrons' health care and medical treatment. The equipment over his
> head doesn't store offensive weaponry, but rather various medical tools
> and devices so he can deal with all sorts of emergency repairs. He and
> Digo of the Liner Team are old friends, and the two of them work
> together as the "central processors" of the Micromasters for designing strategies.
Does anyone else think this bio might have been written in response to
fan speculation? I admit that I know next to nothing about the
Japanese fandom, but I'm picking up that sort of vibe.
Thanks for the great work, Doug. This team seems pretty neat.
G.B.Blackrock
> On Sep. 16, 2002,. MegaPlexor wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
>
> Now, the catalog info:
>
>
> And speaking of those bios...
>
> Doug Dlin
> ap...@hotmail.com
And thanks to you for translating them. (And *my* thanks to
MegaPlexor for providing the scans, as well.) I just got my own
Sixturbo in the mail yesterday, so now I have my source material for
the box art scans. Now to work at creating "Hasbro-style" Tech Specs.
If I try to do anything for the "shadow" forms, it won't be for a
while. I have enough actual source material to keep me busy for a
little while. It will probably take me a couple of weeks to finish
all 7 (including Sixturbo). I'll post updates as I progress.
G.B. Blackrock
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> >I wrote:
>>>
>>> *waits patiently*
>>
>> Sorry, I went on a weekend trip to visit the parental units (Dad had
>> a pacemaker put in recently), and wasn't able to do much with the
>> scans kindly provided by Rik Ruff 'til I got back today.
>
> ...
>
> Any delay HARDLY required an APOLOGY.
I was kinda being tongue-in-cheek, of course, but still felt a bit bad
about the delay, minor though it was. I normally try to jump on such
things as soon as they're available, especially if I've publicly
announced interest in doing so. The moderate, unavoidable delay
nonetheless triggered my low-level guilt circuits. :-)
> Though, if you REALLY wanted to make it up to me, I did post a few
> questions about Beast Wars Neo (inspringly called 'Some beast Wars neo
> Questions...') about 100 threads ago that no one bit on...
I saw. Sadly, I've seen very little of NEO, believe it or not, and what
I've seen is vague enough in my memory that I couldn't really provide
any worthwhile answers. I was kinda anticipating Jordan, Hydra, Dave
B., Gyumaoh and/or Jeff Stein jumping in. :-S
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> "Douglas W. Dlin" <ap...@texas.net> wrote in message news:
> <3D86C1E1...@texas.net>...
>
>>
[snip]
>
> behind black recolors...
...then it will be business as usual. You know darned well this
fandom's never 100% satisfied, Hydra. No fandom ever is. :-) However,
it should mollify some folks and thoroughly placate others, and that's
good enough.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> "Douglas W. Dlin" <ap...@texas.net> wrote in message news:<3D86C1E1...@texas.net>...
>
>> Police while he was patrolling the highways.
>
> Huh. Is this referring to those bizarre entities like Devil Z and
> Violenjiger that showed up in the JG1 cartoons?
Sorry, no. That was just me trying to be "TF-esque" by using
"manipulators" instead of plain old "hands." Guess that'll teach me. :-S
>> Fire Engine/DISCHARGE
>> Contrary to her robust outward appearance, Discharge is a female
>> Cybertron warrior. Few Cybertron fighters have seen her true
>> appearance, as she is usually equipped in her heat-resistant armor.
>> Devoting her passion to firefighting and rescue missions, Discharge
>> really shines, no matter how she looks on the outside. She doesn't
>> enjoy aggressively participating in battle, but she can be rather
>> scary when angered.
>
> So she's the first canonical corroboration of that whole metal-humans-
> in-armor schtick that's so prevalent in TF smut.
Not necessarily. There's no telling what she's like under her armor;
it's just an extra layer of protection. She could resemble MASTER
FORCE's Minerva (robot mode), one of Elita-1's group, a Wildman-esque
human in armor, or one of Makoto Ito's rainbow femmes. Or something
totally different. She could be a metal human or just a slightly
smaller TF with some physical characteristics we would normally identify
as "female."
> Between this and Glide's bio, I'm not sure whether to be bemused or
> terrified.
I'd go with bemused. Better for your blood pressure.
>> Ambulance/SIREEN
>> As his appearance suggests, Sireen is a doctor who conducts the
>> Cybertrons' health care and medical treatment. The equipment over
>> his head doesn't store offensive weaponry, but rather various medical
>> tools and devices so he can deal with all sorts of emergency repairs.
>> He and Digo of the Liner Team are old friends, and the two of them
>> work together as the "central processors" of the Micromasters for
>> designing strategies.
>
> Does anyone else think this bio might have been written in response to
> fan speculation? I admit that I know next to nothing about the
> Japanese fandom, but I'm picking up that sort of vibe.
It's possible, I suppose. It could be the writer him/herself was a
detail-minded fan who wondered what the heck all those projections and
moldings were, and simply picked something (s)he felt made sense,
regardless of any other fan speculation out there.
> Thanks for the great work, Doug. This team seems pretty neat.
All too often, a good bio can make all the difference between a piece of
plastic and a cool toy. I'm just glad I was able to convey the info in
a way you found acceptable and enjoyable.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> I just got my own Sixturbo in the mail yesterday, so now I have my
> source material for the box art scans. Now to work at creating
> "Hasbro-style" Tech Specs.
Excellent. I look forward to the results. It's just a pity they didn't
have individual stats, but again, whatcha gonna do.
> If I try to do anything for the "shadow" forms, it won't be for a
> while.
Not much to work with there anyway. Best I could suggest would be to
photomanipulate the box art--get a good, isolated image of each
character, desaturate the hues down to grays, then darken those grays
way down. (Though first select the black outline and invert it to
white, maybe.) Then use the shadow version as a "drop-shadow" for the
actual art. Or maybe flip the shadow. Obscuring it some behind the
color version may help you avoid having to paste in a white Decep emblem
anywhere, though. Or maybe that's all too much effort, in which case,
never mind. :-)
> I have enough actual source material to keep me busy for a little
> while. It will probably take me a couple of weeks to finish all 7
> (including Sixturbo). I'll post updates as I progress.
Please do.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Hydra
> >>Sorry, I went on a weekend trip to visit the parental units (Dad had a
> >>pacemaker put in recently), and wasn't able to do much with the scans
> >>kindly provided by Rik Ruff 'til I got back today.
> >
> >Any delay HARDLY required an APOLOGY. Still, it was cute of you to offer.
>
> Though, if you REALLY wanted to make it up to me, I did post a few
> questions about Beast Wars Neo (inspringly called 'Some beast Wars neo
> Questions...') about 100 threads ago that no one bit on...
>
that you put about 20 questions in the same post, which meant that I
couldn't possibly research them all simultaneously. I have a bunch of
sourcebooks on Neo, and although I haven't seen the whole series, I'm
pretty familiar with it. Why don't you take it a step at a time, and
post your most urgent questions? :)
-Hydra
Derik Smith
>I saw the thread, and wanted to post some answers, but the problem is
>that you put about 20 questions in the same post, which meant that I
>couldn't possibly research them all simultaneously. I have a bunch of
>sourcebooks on Neo, and although I haven't seen the whole series, I'm
>pretty familiar with it. Why don't you take it a step at a time, and
>post your most urgent questions? :)
Interestingly enough, I had no real 'urgent' questions after watching Neo.
It's a remarkably straightworward series. (And between viewing it and
watching Victory now, I'm starting to get a feel for just how different the
'shape' of TF mythos in Japan v. the US is.)
Since the questions I was most interested in related to fundamentals of
Neo's backsry/universe, I was hoping you could paint a general picture in broad
strokes from your remarkable memory. Ah well...
I'll divide things logicly. The stuff under 'first' is the stuff I'd
REALLY like an answer too.
FIRST: basic backstrory. Please fill me in.
The series opens with Big Convoy staging some kind of one-man raid on
Magmatron suring a Space battle. Cut to the Council of Convoys dressing him
down for his brashness, and saddling him with green troops to train.
What was... with the battle? The Max/Pred conflict was a cold war. Was
that a flare-up? A border conflict? Unexplained? Just what is Magmatron to
the Predacons? Supreme leader? Unit commander?
Mach Kick is the last survivor of the Thoroughbred corps (per my
understanding.) Is it explained how everyone was killed, and is it related to
the above conflict? Also (if it's handy) do you know the name of his old
Commander (?) whose image appears in episode 16?
Sharpedge (Cybershark remold) appears in 1 episode with a grudge against
Big Convoy. Know why? And does this grudge, again, relate to the battle we
see briefly in the first episode?
Twice, Magmatron is attacked by Galvatron/Unicron and is thrown 'intot he
void,' only to reapear later. ...help? Does this make more sense than it
appears to?
SECOND: My understanding of things. Please correct if you spot an error.
Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
(Metatextually, his beast mode is a mythic beast, but that's neither here not
there.)
D-navi has a crush on Archadis, which Archadis manipulates (?) to his own
advantage, albeit gently. However, D-navi is MORE loyal to Magmatron. While
watching Unicron attack Cybertron D-navi suggests she and Guiledart could
repopulate the planet. Flirty little drone, that...
Using lots of hand-waving, the Gung-ho travels through a rip in spacetime
(left by the Blendtrons I assume, as that's how they travel) and encounter the
(dead) LioConvoy. He and Big Convoy undergo a kind of Matrix... thing... to
speed Lioconvoy on his way. LC also takes time to fill them in on Unicrons'
backstory, telling of the time the Cybertron space fleet bravely fought the
giant planet, and destroyed him.
BW2 Galvatron was not G1 Galvatron, but there was some nebulous intrinsic
tie between that... THING in Galvie's chest and Unicron. After the end of BW2,
the Blendtrons go about gathering the energy capsules to help Unicron 'gestate'
inside his old corpse. He does so, taking the form of Galvatron. Unicron is
now an energy being, centered around that... thing in Galvatron's chest.
Lioconvoy returns through... a direct act of God (near as I can tell.
That doesn't bother me much, since if watch Beast Machines carefully that same
thing happened twice in Aftermath.)
THIRD: Just stuff I'd like to know.
Hydra had a wacky robot assistant. What was his name? Also, the name of
the planet Hydra was guarding? (Which blew up.)
FOURTH: and finally, just an observation.
Great Convoy's flagship in episode 33 appears to be Fortress Maximus. I
just thought that was strange, since it's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear
about. Are my eyes decieving me? (I think Fort Max's starship mode is loosely
based on a White Base ship, so I'm trying not to let the overall configuration
give me false positives...)
I guess I don't see it as a lot of questions. It's more 3 real questions,
a few 'do I have this right's and a bunch of 'is there something I'm missing,
or does this make as little sense as it appears's. Careful, if I find your
annswers helpful, I'm likely to start asking questions about the Zodiac...
Mark Brown
*SNIP*
> Patrol Car/ROAD POLICE
> The leader of the Turbo Team, Road Police has a warm central processor
> and a strong sense of justice. A gun collector without equal, he enjoys
> accumulating Earth handguns, though he's annoyed that they're not the
> right size for him. A master of the fast draw, he's the best of the
> Micromasters in short-range marksmanship.
Great, a gun-nut. Kinda reminds me of Tackleberry from Police_Academy. ;)
> Motorbike/GLIDE
> Among the Cybertrons, this warrior is known to be the happiest about
> their coming to Earth. When not in combat, he can usually be seen
> having fun tooling around, giving rides to Earthling females. He claims
> it's all a part of his intelligence-gathering activities. Though he
> appears frivolous, make no mistake, this fighter's got speed and
> strength in spades.
Heh. He an Sideburn would make a great team.
> F-1/CIRCUIT
> Boasting of the highest speed of the Turbo Team, Circuit is often given
> reconnaissance and messenger missions thanks to his impressive scouting
> ability. Though unrivaled in driving technique, he is easily excited
> and often races around wildly. This has earned him frequent warnings
> from Road Police. Circuit has the special ability to converse with the
wind(?).
>
> [Yes, that question mark is there in the original. No, I'm not sure why.]
Maybe he's just a crazy-bot that the other 6Turbos are "humouring."
> Super Car/NEO-WHEEL
> An aloof, nature-loving warrior, Neo-Wheel has little taste for
> following and participating in strategies with the rest of his team,
> save for those that require combining. If anything, he is often found
> in the wild amongst animals. He won't say for sure himself, but he
> appears to have the special ability to communicate with the animals.
> Circuit is indeed a warrior of many mysteries.
Cool. Sounds kinda like my rewritten RiD Rollbar.
> Fire Engine/DISCHARGE
> Contrary to her robust outward appearance, Discharge is a female
> Cybertron warrior. Few Cybertron fighters have seen her true
> appearance, as she is usually equipped in her heat-resistant armor.
> Devoting her passion to firefighting and rescue missions, Discharge
> really shines, no matter how she looks on the outside. She doesn't
> enjoy aggressively participating in battle, but she can be rather scary
> when angered.
And another candidate for the Unfortunate Names File.
> Ambulance/SIREEN
> As his appearance suggests, Sireen is a doctor who conducts the
> Cybertrons' health care and medical treatment. The equipment over his
> head doesn't store offensive weaponry, but rather various medical tools
> and devices so he can deal with all sorts of emergency repairs. He and
> Digo of the Liner Team are old friends, and the two of them work
> together as the "central processors" of the Micromasters for designing
strategies.
Cool, though we need some Destron/Decepticon medics to balance things out.
Mark
"And why do we have so flamin' many F1 cars?"
Dave Van Domelen
comes from the short manga series in Comics Bon-Bon.
In article <20020918070748...@mb-bg.aol.com>,
Derik Smith <regen...@aol.com> wrote:
> FIRST: basic backstrory. Please fill me in.
>
> The series opens with Big Convoy staging some kind of one-man raid on
>Magmatron suring a Space battle. Cut to the Council of Convoys dressing him
>down for his brashness, and saddling him with green troops to train.
> What was... with the battle? The Max/Pred conflict was a cold war. Was
>that a flare-up? A border conflict? Unexplained? Just what is Magmatron to
>the Predacons? Supreme leader? Unit commander?
Okay, I *have* seen all of BWII, and I can tell you that the Cybertron/
Destron war is a lot hotter. BWII is set during a cold war period, as is Neo
(AFAICT), but we have flashbacks to the hot war parts. Apache's past
encounters with the AutoRollers, for instance.
Additionally, Magmatron is more of a criminal than anything else (IIRC,
the manga starts the main action with a jailbreak), so one might consider the
opening battle of Neo to be more of a police raid that got nasty. Big Convoy
is therefore more of a Dirty Harry figure.
Origin note: in the manga, we see that Big was originally a mammoth on a
primitive world, and Magmatron was originally a trio of bullies known just as
"Those Guys". Those Guys found an Angolmois capsule and were infused with
evil energy to become Magmatron, while Big encountered the dying Lioconvoy
and was passed the Gaea energy. The spirits of the other BWII Cybertrons
ended up on various planets which then developed races of Transformers, a
single species per planet (so there's a planet full of Stampy-bots).
Corahda's people worshipped Scuba as a god, which showed good taste on their
part.
> SECOND: My understanding of things. Please correct if you spot an error.
>
> Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
>(Metatextually, his beast mode is a mythic beast, but that's neither here not
>there.)
In the manga, Heinlad is from the future, part of a time police force.
He was sent back to make sure the right people were in place to stop
Unicron's return. The goofy act was just that, an act. At the end of the
manga, he appears in uniform, explains things, and then removes the Gaea
energy from Big Convoy so he can return to his own world and live out his
life as just the mammoth Big.
> BW2 Galvatron was not G1 Galvatron, but there was some nebulous
>intrinsic tie between that... THING in Galvie's chest and Unicron. After
>the end of BW2, the Blendtrons go about gathering the energy capsules to
>help Unicron 'gestate' inside his old corpse. He does so, taking the form
>of Galvatron. Unicron is now an energy being, centered around that... thing
>in Galvatron's chest.
Galvatron was powered up in BWII by Angolmois energy, which was later
revealed to be the essence of Unicron, trapped on Gaea millions of years
ago. And the choice of using Galvatron's body was, I believe, driven by the
decision not to produce the Unicron toy. They could just sell leftover
Galvatrons as Unicron.
> Lioconvoy returns through... a direct act of God (near as I can tell.
>That doesn't bother me much, since if watch Beast Machines carefully that same
>thing happened twice in Aftermath.)
Can't say for sure, but my guess is that he was transubstantiated into
Big Convoy, and could come out when needed.
Dave Van Domelen, http://www.protoformproject.com/dvd/BW/Japan should
have the summaries, assuming Hydra hasn't finished the "dubs" yet....
Hydra
> Disclaimer: I've seen maybe three eps of the anime, most of my knowledge
> comes from the short manga series in Comics Bon-Bon.
>
> In article <20020918070748...@mb-bg.aol.com>,
> Derik Smith <regen...@aol.com> wrote:
> > FIRST: basic backstrory. Please fill me in.
> >
> > The series opens with Big Convoy staging some kind of one-man raid on
> >Magmatron suring a Space battle. Cut to the Council of Convoys dressing him
> >down for his brashness, and saddling him with green troops to train.
> > What was... with the battle? The Max/Pred conflict was a cold war. Was
> >that a flare-up? A border conflict? Unexplained? Just what is Magmatron to
> >the Predacons? Supreme leader? Unit commander?
>
> Okay, I *have* seen all of BWII, and I can tell you that the Cybertron/
> Destron war is a lot hotter. BWII is set during a cold war period, as is Neo
> (AFAICT), but we have flashbacks to the hot war parts. Apache's past
> encounters with the AutoRollers, for instance.
> Additionally, Magmatron is more of a criminal than anything else (IIRC,
> the manga starts the main action with a jailbreak), so one might consider the
> opening battle of Neo to be more of a police raid that got nasty. Big Convoy
> is therefore more of a Dirty Harry figure.
>
The manga doesn't start with any jailbreak that I can remember, but
Big Convoy is being chided by Crow Convoy for his recklessness.
Origin note: in the manga, we see that Big was originally a mammoth on
a
> primitive world, and Magmatron was originally a trio of bullies known just as
> "Those Guys". Those Guys found an Angolmois capsule and were infused with
> evil energy to become Magmatron, while Big encountered the dying Lioconvoy
> and was passed the Gaea energy. The spirits of the other BWII Cybertrons
> ended up on various planets which then developed races of Transformers, a
> single species per planet (so there's a planet full of Stampy-bots).
> Corahda's people worshipped Scuba as a god, which showed good taste on their
> part.
>
Um, not the spirits, the actual Transformers themselves, it appears!
They're all alive, there's no indication that they're ghosts or
whatever. Lio Convoy is said by his navigator to be in "Galaxy 7,
remote planetary region, name unknown. Circa 50,000 years BC."
However, I don't know if the BC (kigenzen) refers to the Cybertronian
era, or Earth reckoning. All of the BWII Cybertrons were worshipped as
gods, Kid was the Brat Lord or something (I forget), Bighorn the
Sacred Cow, and so on. Guess they passed away, or transcended their
state of being, in the milennia to follow.
I know that Lio Convoy joined the matrix, because when Big Convoy used
it to combat Unicron, he had a vision of Lio Convoy, bathed in light,
saying "Big Convoy.. let's go, together. Follow me." Later, after he
appears in uniform, and Break chews him out, he tells him "There's
something I want to show you." Warping to a different location, they
see Big, and Heinrad tells them, "We recovered Big Convoy's spark."
(he uses the word spark.) "And after re-weaving the strands of time,
we allowed him to be born again on this safe world. Hundreds of
thousands of years ago, Big Convoy is born on this remote planet. But,
there are no Cybertrons or Destrons, an altogether different galaxy."
Although they realize Big can't understand them, Break cries out,
"Salute our commander, Big Convoy!" All the cybertrons do so, eyes
watering. As the mammoth walks away, there is a vision of Big Convoy,
saying "I'm so proud of you guys." (Well, literally 'you've all done
real well.')
I think that many more people would like BWII and Neo if they actually
understood it...
> > SECOND: My understanding of things. Please correct if you spot an error.
> >
> > Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
> >(Metatextually, his beast mode is a mythic beast, but that's neither here not
> >there.)
>
> In the manga, Heinlad is from the future, part of a time police force.
> He was sent back to make sure the right people were in place to stop
> Unicron's return. The goofy act was just that, an act. At the end of the
> manga, he appears in uniform, explains things, and then removes the Gaea
> energy from Big Convoy so he can return to his own world and live out his
> life as just the mammoth Big.
>
OK, you're way off here. Time police? In Heinrad's words, "I am an
agent of That Which Controls Time and Space. I am Space-time
Investigator Heinrad!" Heinrad is a servant of god, but which one
(Primus, Chronarchitect, etc) could be anyone's guess. He elaborates,
when Big Convoy asks him about it: "That which crossed paths with the
Cybertrons and Destrons long ago, the immense entity which created
this galaxy." Sounds like Furman's Chronarchitect to me, of course I
doubt the author had that specifically in mind.
As for Lio Convoy, sicne I haven't seen the conclusion of the show, I
don't know the circumstances of his return. Seems like the Matrix,
activated by Big Convoy, allows him a portal for a brief period of
time, if I were to make a conjecture.
Let me know if you've got any other questions, though it might take
some reseach.
-Hydra
Mark Brown
> On Sep. 17, 2002, Charles Calhoun wrote:
> > "Douglas W. Dlin" <ap...@texas.net> wrote in message
news:<3D86C1E1...@texas.net>...
> >> Fire Engine/DISCHARGE
> >> Contrary to her robust outward appearance, Discharge is a female
> >> Cybertron warrior. Few Cybertron fighters have seen her true
> >> appearance, as she is usually equipped in her heat-resistant armor.
> > So she's the first canonical corroboration of that whole metal-humans-
> > in-armor schtick that's so prevalent in TF smut.
> Not necessarily. There's no telling what she's like under her armor;
> it's just an extra layer of protection. She could resemble MASTER
> FORCE's Minerva (robot mode), one of Elita-1's group, a Wildman-esque
> human in armor, or one of Makoto Ito's rainbow femmes. Or something
> totally different.
Or maybe a female in the equivalent of RiD Prime's "Battle Mode" armour.
Mark
"Which would be cool, considering how often the whole 'armour' thing has
been done."
Hydra
> Hydra wrote:
>
> >I saw the thread, and wanted to post some answers, but the problem is
> >that you put about 20 questions in the same post, which meant that I
> >couldn't possibly research them all simultaneously. I have a bunch of
> >sourcebooks on Neo, and although I haven't seen the whole series, I'm
> >pretty familiar with it. Why don't you take it a step at a time, and
> >post your most urgent questions? :)
>
> Interestingly enough, I had no real 'urgent' questions after watching Neo.
> It's a remarkably straightworward series. (And between viewing it and
> watching Victory now, I'm starting to get a feel for just how different the
> 'shape' of TF mythos in Japan v. the US is.)
> Since the questions I was most interested in related to fundamentals of
> Neo's backsry/universe, I was hoping you could paint a general picture in broad
> strokes from your remarkable memory. Ah well...
Heh, not remarkable memory, sourcebooks. These books are so nice, full
of character designs, opinion columns (by the characters themselves),
summaries, etc. It's too bad I didn't see you at BC, I would have
given you an extra one from Neo I had. Anyway, I probably could do a
general summary that for any of the Japan G1 series, I'm just not as
familiar with Neo. Actually, if you have Japanese copies of Neo, you
shoudl set me up with some of the later eps, and I probably could give
you very thorough answers. There's still a lot of it I've yet to see.
>
> I'll divide things logicly. The stuff under 'first' is the stuff I'd
> REALLY like an answer too.
>
> FIRST: basic backstrory. Please fill me in.
>
> The series opens with Big Convoy staging some kind of one-man raid on
> Magmatron suring a Space battle. Cut to the Council of Convoys dressing him
> down for his brashness, and saddling him with green troops to train.
> What was... with the battle? The Max/Pred conflict was a cold war. Was
> that a flare-up? A border conflict? Unexplained? Just what is Magmatron to
> the Predacons? Supreme leader? Unit commander?
>
Actually, all evidence points to the notion that the Predacon
(Destron) groups don't really work in conjunction with each other,
more like a bunch of extremist terrorist factions united under one
banner. Many of the Destron leaders have been called Emperor of
Destruction (or a variation), so it's not really a singular title.
Also, I doubt there's any real lineage... one of the BWII catalog
shows Lio Convoy and Convoy (Primal) shaking hands, whereas Galvatron
is strangling BW Megatron (!). But yeah, it's all based off our BW
universe, so it is a cold war. I mean, the whole premise of BW Neo
isn't really even "war," it's more competitive, since both factions
race to collect the Angolmois capsules. Killing one-another is
incidental. :)
By the way, the first battle isn't significant as far as I know except
in that it shows Big Convoy's infamous reckless streak which earned
him the name "One Man Army." His superiors saddled him with the junior
recruits in order to mellow him out a bit, I take it.
> Mach Kick is the last survivor of the Thoroughbred corps (per my
> understanding.) Is it explained how everyone was killed, and is it related to
> the above conflict? Also (if it's handy) do you know the name of his old
> Commander (?) whose image appears in episode 16?
>
I really don't remember the circumstances relating to the disbanding
of his team, but his commander's name is Strarda, which is some sort
of horse-related thing. Might be a breed, I'm not sure.
> Sharpedge (Cybershark remold) appears in 1 episode with a grudge against
> Big Convoy. Know why? And does this grudge, again, relate to the battle we
> see briefly in the first episode?
>
He doesn't have a grudge in particular, as far as I know. Despite
being a fellow Cybertron, he's a very devoted warrior, and want to
prove his mettle by facing Big Convoy in a one on one duel.
> Twice, Magmatron is attacked by Galvatron/Unicron and is thrown 'intot he
> void,' only to reapear later. ...help? Does this make more sense than it
> appears to?
>
Hrm, this one I'd definitely have to see the conclusion for, I'm
afraid.
>
> SECOND: My understanding of things. Please correct if you spot an error.
>
> Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
> (Metatextually, his beast mode is a mythic beast, but that's neither here not
> there.)
>
I think I explained this one in my response to Dave. The manga
actually says he's a servant of a god, I don't know whether or not the
anime explains it so fully. The fact remains that he is an immensely
powerful being stationed in cognito with the Cybertron forces. This si
probably why his toy is numebred X-whatever, which was often used for
special agents (Moon, Ravage, Heinrad, so on).
> D-navi has a crush on Archadis, which Archadis manipulates (?) to his own
> advantage, albeit gently. However, D-navi is MORE loyal to Magmatron. While
> watching Unicron attack Cybertron D-navi suggests she and Guiledart could
> repopulate the planet. Flirty little drone, that...
>
Bwah, no idea about something that specific, though I wouldn't doubt
it.
> Using lots of hand-waving, the Gung-ho travels through a rip in spacetime
> (left by the Blendtrons I assume, as that's how they travel) and encounter the
> (dead) LioConvoy. He and Big Convoy undergo a kind of Matrix... thing... to
> speed Lioconvoy on his way. LC also takes time to fill them in on Unicrons'
> backstory, telling of the time the Cybertron space fleet bravely fought the
> giant planet, and destroyed him.
>
Heh, Lio Convoy isn't "dead" AFAIK, just "somewhere else." My
sourcebook has Big Convoy answering this very question (Is Lio Convoy
dead?). His initial response is hilarious: "Um, actually, I dunno." He
then goes on to say that he believes Lio Convoy is alive, but in the
battle against Galvatron's aritficial planet Nemesis, he was
transported to another time and place. He says that if Cybertron faces
a real crisis, he beleives Lio Convoy will somehow appear to help.
(Apparently this question was posed to him before the conlcusion of
Neo.)
> BW2 Galvatron was not G1 Galvatron, but there was some nebulous intrinsic
> tie between that... THING in Galvie's chest and Unicron. After the end of BW2,
> the Blendtrons go about gathering the energy capsules to help Unicron 'gestate'
> inside his old corpse. He does so, taking the form of Galvatron. Unicron is
> now an energy being, centered around that... thing in Galvatron's chest.
>
I'm sure it's because Galvatron absorbed such mass quantities of the
Angolmois, which was tainted with an evil power (later revealed to be
the essence of Unicron himself.) It was so powerful that Lio Convoy
also nearly became a Destron after being infected by it, which is
where the contest toy "Galvatron Lio Convoy comes from."
By the way, did you know that the word "Angolmois" was actually coined
by Nostradamus? He wrote that a "King of the Angolmois" would arise. I
guess that "Angolmois" was actually his mangled version of the word
"Mongol," but in BWII/Neo, the prophesized King of Angolmois appears
to be Unicron.
> Lioconvoy returns through... a direct act of God (near as I can tell.
> That doesn't bother me much, since if watch Beast Machines carefully that same
> thing happened twice in Aftermath.)
>
Well, the Matrix can do things like that...
>
> THIRD: Just stuff I'd like to know.
>
> Hydra had a wacky robot assistant. What was his name? Also, the name of
> the planet Hydra was guarding? (Which blew up.)
>
>
Ah yes, from the episode "Lonely Hydra." I forget the robot, but the
outpost's name is Porcupine. The robot is sick to death of Hydra, who
has told it the same joke several thousand times. Also, because of a
past misunderstanding, Hydra is under the impression that Guiledart is
out to get him.
> FOURTH: and finally, just an observation.
>
> Great Convoy's flagship in episode 33 appears to be Fortress Maximus. I
> just thought that was strange, since it's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear
> about. Are my eyes decieving me? (I think Fort Max's starship mode is loosely
> based on a White Base ship, so I'm trying not to let the overall configuration
> give me false positives...)
>
Oh, it is most certainly some sort of Maximus. That design appears
several places, including the manga and TV Magazine stuff. Remember
that there were already 2 Maximi in G1, so these could be younger
brothers, or just Maximus-inspired battleships.
>
> I guess I don't see it as a lot of questions. It's more 3 real questions,
> a few 'do I have this right's and a bunch of 'is there something I'm missing,
> or does this make as little sense as it appears's. Careful, if I find your
> annswers helpful, I'm likely to start asking questions about the Zodiac...
>
Great, the Zodiac. Well, that's always sketchy, since there was no
anime to back it up. I think there's an intentional lack of info on it
to make it appear mysterious, as opposed to just writer negligence.
I've also discovered that it's almost definitely _not_ any
transmutation of the Matrix. I'm going to write a general speculative
timeline after some research.
-Hydra
Gyumaoh
My memory on Neo is a little fuzzy, but I'll put in my two cents:
I think it should be noted there are some big differences between the anime and
manga.
> Twice, Magmatron is attacked by Galvatron/Unicron and is thrown 'intot he
>void,' only to reapear later. ...help?
The first time... it was due to the Blendtrons, right? Sucked into their
wormhole. IIRC, there is no explanation as to Magmatron's miraculous
resurrection from his heroic death.
>Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
In one of the final episodes of Neo, he tells Big Convoy that he is actually
Big's elder. I don't think it's ever thoroughly explained in the anime.
>D-navi has a crush on Archadis, which Archadis manipulates (?) to his own
>advantage, albeit gently.
DNAVI (short for Devil NAVIgator) is simply a complete bitch. She will change
her name daily (to Jaqueline, Katherine, etc.) and expects everyone to
remember. If the crew fails to placate her, she may refuse to beam them up,
etc. (Sling seems to always get on her bad side.) Archadis knows how to
properly stroke her ego and get her to do her job.
Magmatron automatically gets her obedience, though... probably because he's a
scary S.O.B.
>D-navi suggests she and Guiledart could
>repopulate the planet. Flirty little drone, that...
Yeah, I seem to remember her developing a crush during one of the later
episodes.
BTW, DNAVI is played by Maki Miyamae, ex-idol singer from the group CoCo. She
was probably most famous for her single "Yume e no Position"; the Chun-Li theme
from Street Fighter II. She even wears the Chun-Li costume in the video.
> Hydra had a wacky robot assistant. What was his name?
That was Ope, I think. Probably means "Operator".
>Great Convoy's flagship in episode 33 appears to be Fortress Maximus.
It's a Maximus-type ship, all right. Neat cameo!
After the defeat of Unicron, Lio Convoy takes over as the Maximal/Cybertron
Commander-In-Chief to fill the position left by the deceased Great Convoy.
Derik Smith
>Okay, I *have* seen all of BWII, and I can tell you that the Cybertron/
>Destron war is a lot hotter. BWII is set during a cold war period, as is Neo
>(AFAICT), but we have flashbacks to the hot war parts. Apache's past
>encounters with the AutoRollers, for instance.
Facinating. That nicely rounds out my picture of the BW universe... need to see
BW2 now...
>Additionally, Magmatron is more of a criminal than anything else (IIRC,
>the manga starts the main action with a jailbreak), so one might consider the
>opening battle of Neo to be more of a police raid that got nasty. Big Convoy
>is therefore more of a Dirty Harry figure.
Hydra corrects:
>The manga doesn't start with any jailbreak that I can remember, but
>Big Convoy is being chided by Crow Convoy for his recklessness.
Doug's thinking of BW2 Galvatron in the Manga.
>Origin note: in the manga, we see that Big was originally a mammoth on a
>primitive world, and Magmatron was originally a trio of bullies known just as
>"Those Guys". Those Guys found an Angolmois capsule and were infused with
>evil energy to become Magmatron, while Big encountered the dying Lioconvoy
>and was passed the Gaea energy. The spirits of the other BWII Cybertrons
>ended up on various planets which then developed races of Transformers, a
>single species per planet (so there's a planet full of Stampy-bots).
>Corahda's people worshipped Scuba as a god, which showed good taste on their
>part.
*scowls* I always had problems with this, as it's predicated on the '100,000
years ago' thing from the BW2 manga, and that wasn't, near as I can tell, the
case in the anime... (Must... lean... on... Raksha, get tapes soon!)
Of course, Lioconvoy got blown beyond time and space, so I suppose it's not
that hard to resolve... And as far as the 'races' of TF's go, Mach Kick got a
whole unit based on the same animal in the anime, so I guess that's not much of
a conflict...
Hydra interjected:
>Um, not the spirits, the actual Transformers themselves, it appears!
>They're all alive, there's no indication that they're ghosts or
>whatever. Lio Convoy is said by his navigator to be in "Galaxy 7,
>remote planetary region, name unknown. Circa 50,000 years BC."
>However, I don't know if the BC (kigenzen) refers to the Cybertronian
>era, or Earth reckoning. All of the BWII Cybertrons were worshipped as
>gods, Kid was the Brat Lord or something (I forget), Bighorn the
>Sacred Cow, and so on. Guess they passed away, or transcended their
>state of being, in the milennia to follow.
That's not hard to believe. All indications are that Transformer evolution has
been deliberately accelerated. A 'modern' TF dropped off thousands of years ago
may well pass on (in some way) relatively soon (compared to the previous
'millions of years unchanged' approach to TF's.)
>>SECOND: My understanding of things. Please correct if you spot an error.
>>
>>Heinlad has time powers. There is no 'reason' for this, he simply does.
>In the manga, Heinlad is from the future, part of a time police force.
>He was sent back to make sure the right people were in place to stop
>Unicron's return. The goofy act was just that, an act. At the end of the
>manga, he appears in uniform, explains things, and then removes the Gaea
>energy from Big Convoy so he can return to his own world and live out his
>life as just the mammoth Big.
Ah yes, I loathed that ending. ('ve read the manga summaries.) Fortunately the
anime always 'dominates' and it has a happier ending...
Hydra kevetched:
>OK, you're way off here. Time police? In Heinrad's words, "I am an
>agent of That Which Controls Time and Space. I am Space-time
>Investigator Heinrad!" Heinrad is a servant of god, but which one
>(Primus, Chronarchitect, etc) could be anyone's guess. He elaborates,
>when Big Convoy asks him about it: "That which crossed paths with the
>Cybertrons and Destrons long ago, the immense entity which created
>this galaxy." Sounds like Furman's Chronarchitect to me, of course I
>doubt the author had that specifically in mind.
You know, it continues to bug me how well the Botcon 99 narrative dovetails
with Neo despite Furman's claims of ignorance about the Japanese series...
Kismet perhaps, given that they were published more or less simultaneously.
> Galvatron was powered up in BWII by Angolmois energy, which was later
>evealed to be the essence of Unicron, trapped on Gaea millions of years
>ago. And the choice of using Galvatron's body was, I believe, driven by the
>decision not to produce the Unicron toy. They could just sell leftover
>Galvatrons as Unicron.
Yes yes, but that's metatextual. ...millions of years ago? Was the original
battle with Unicron LioConvoy described millions of years ago, or did the dark
essence flee through time following Unicron's destruction?
>> Lioconvoy returns through... a direct act of God (near as I can tell.
>>That doesn't bother me much, since if watch Beast Machines carefully that
same
>>thing happened twice in Aftermath.)
>
>Can't say for sure, but my guess is that he was transubstantiated into
>Big Convoy, and could come out when needed.
Coming from 12 years of Catholic education- you're using 'transubstantiate'
completely wrong. ;)
...but I follow your meaning.
>Dave Van Domelen, http://www.protoformproject.com/dvd/BW/Japan should
>have the summaries, assuming Hydra hasn't finished the "dubs" yet....
Gone in Neale's purge, near as I can see. They're still on Dave's main page
though.
How far along have the manga translations gone? I've only ever seen the first
issue of Neo...
Hydra offered:
>As for Lio Convoy, sicne I haven't seen the conclusion of the show, I
>don't know the circumstances of his return. Seems like the Matrix,
>activated by Big Convoy, allows him a portal for a brief period of
>time, if I were to make a conjecture.
Lioconvoy returns permenantly, actually, and supervises the rebuilding of
Cybertron witht he help of Big Convoy, his crew, Magmatron, his crew, the BW2
Insecticons and surviving BW2 Destrons... (I thought Gigastrom was dead
actually, but he's there and I haven't seen the series, so...)
Hydra wrote:
>I wrote:
>
>> Since the questions I was most interested in related to fundamentals of
>> Neo's backsry/universe, I was hoping you could paint a general picture in
broad
>> strokes from your remarkable memory. Ah well...
>
>Heh, not remarkable memory, sourcebooks. These books are so nice, full
>of character designs, opinion columns (by the characters themselves),
>summaries, etc. It's too bad I didn't see you at BC, I would have
>given you an extra one from Neo I had. Anyway, I probably could do a
>general summary that for any of the Japan G1 series, I'm just not as
>familiar with Neo. Actually, if you have Japanese copies of Neo, you
>shoudl set me up with some of the later eps, and I probably could give
>you very thorough answers. There's still a lot of it I've yet to see.
I am working from RM encodes of BW Neo. If you want 'em, I'd be more than happy
to send 'em your way... (Well, except for that one episode which was currupted,
I'll have to download a new copy of that off the Hub...)
As for the sourcebooks, I actualy have a couple on order from the UK. Those are
the 170 page (mostly black and white) dealies, right? Do you have any of the CR
ones? (I always wondered about CR's answer to certian things like Brave Max...)
>> What was... with the battle? The Max/Pred conflict was a cold war. Was
>> that a flare-up? A border conflict? Unexplained? Just what is Magmatron to
>> the Predacons? Supreme leader? Unit commander?
>
>Actually, all evidence points to the notion that the Predacon
>(Destron) groups don't really work in conjunction with each other,
>more like a bunch of extremist terrorist factions united under one
>banner. Many of the Destron leaders have been called Emperor of
>Destruction (or a variation), so it's not really a singular title.
Ah, there's some... historical basis for this, but I forget what it was. A
group that ostensibly many loose factions, when one general sticks his neck out
and does something stupid- and screws up- the larger group had plausible
deniabiliy. (Granted in the Predacon case the deniability seems to be VERY
plasusible, since they all really don't get along...)
>Also, I doubt there's any real lineage... one of the BWII catalog
>shows Lio Convoy and Convoy (Primal) shaking hands, whereas Galvatron
>is strangling BW Megatron (!). But yeah, it's all based off our BW
>universe, so it is a cold war. I mean, the whole premise of BW Neo
>isn't really even "war," it's more competitive, since both factions
>race to collect the Angolmois capsules. Killing one-another is
>incidental. :)
Heh.
>By the way, the first battle isn't significant as far as I know except
>in that it shows Big Convoy's infamous reckless streak which earned
>him the name "One Man Army." His superiors saddled him with the junior
>recruits in order to mellow him out a bit, I take it.
Time honored buerocratic tactics. ;)
>> Mach Kick is the last survivor of the Thoroughbred corps (per my
>> understanding.) Is it explained how everyone was killed, and is it related
to
>> the above conflict? Also (if it's handy) do you know the name of his old
>> Commander (?) whose image appears in episode 16?
>>
>I really don't remember the circumstances relating to the disbanding
>of his team, but his commander's name is Strarda, which is some sort
>of horse-related thing. Might be a breed, I'm not sure.
Disbanding? My impression was death. His commander's image appears in that Star
Trek TNG rip-off...
>> Twice, Magmatron is attacked by Galvatron/Unicron and is thrown 'intot he
>> void,' only to reapear later. ...help? Does this make more sense than it
>> appears to?
>>
>Hrm, this one I'd definitely have to see the conclusion for, I'm
>afraid.
Hrm, if I can get Mediascrubber up and running I might clip you a RM under 3
megs...
>I think I explained this one in my response to Dave. The manga
>actually says he's a servant of a god, I don't know whether or not the
>anime explains it so fully. The fact remains that he is an immensely
>powerful being stationed in cognito with the Cybertron forces. This si
>probably why his toy is numebred X-whatever, which was often used for
>special agents (Moon, Ravage, Heinrad, so on).
...the Blendtrons...
Dave posted about, uh, a year (more?) back about a single Megatron X toy being
given as a contest prize.
...which I suppose you'd have no idea about packaging, or possible techspecs,
unless the winner chose t share... Nevermind.
>> Using lots of hand-waving, the Gung-ho travels through a rip in spacetime
>> (left by the Blendtrons I assume, as that's how they travel) and encounter
the
>> (dead) LioConvoy. He and Big Convoy undergo a kind of Matrix... thing... to
>> speed Lioconvoy on his way. LC also takes time to fill them in on Unicrons'
>> backstory, telling of the time the Cybertron space fleet bravely fought the
>> giant planet, and destroyed him.
>>
>Heh, Lio Convoy isn't "dead" AFAIK, just "somewhere else." My
>sourcebook has Big Convoy answering this very question (Is Lio Convoy
>dead?). His initial response is hilarious: "Um, actually, I dunno." He
>then goes on to say that he believes Lio Convoy is alive, but in the
>battle against Galvatron's aritficial planet Nemesis, he was
>transported to another time and place. He says that if Cybertron faces
>a real crisis, he beleives Lio Convoy will somehow appear to help.
>(Apparently this question was posed to him before the conlcusion of
>Neo.)
Ah, vaguely Aurtherian. Thank you.
>By the way, did you know that the word "Angolmois" was actually coined
>by Nostradamus? He wrote that a "King of the Angolmois" would arise. I
>guess that "Angolmois" was actually his mangled version of the word
>"Mongol," but in BWII/Neo, the prophesized King of Angolmois appears
>to be Unicron.
...now THAT is facinating.
> Lioconvoy returns through... a direct act of God (near as I can tell.
> That doesn't bother me much, since if watch Beast Machines carefully that
same
> thing happened twice in Aftermath.)
>
Well, the Matrix can do things like that... Or the Allspark in BM...
>> Hydra had a wacky robot assistant. What was his name? Also, the name of
>> the planet Hydra was guarding? (Which blew up.)
>>
>Ah yes, from the episode "Lonely Hydra." I forget the robot, but the
>outpost's name is Porcupine. The robot is sick to death of Hydra, who
>has told it the same joke several thousand times. Also, because of a
>past misunderstanding, Hydra is under the impression that Guiledart is
>out to get him.
Heh, that makes me laugh. Wacky japanese comic archetypes...
>> FOURTH: and finally, just an observation.
>>
>> Great Convoy's flagship in episode 33 appears to be Fortress Maximus. I
>> just thought that was strange, since it's the kind of thing I'd expect to
hear
>> about. Are my eyes decieving me? (I think Fort Max's starship mode is
loosely
>> based on a White Base ship, so I'm trying not to let the overall
configuration
>> give me false positives...)
>>
>Oh, it is most certainly some sort of Maximus. That design appears
>several places, including the manga and TV Magazine stuff. Remember
>that there were already 2 Maximi in G1, so these could be younger
>brothers, or just Maximus-inspired battleships.
It's colored like the original fort max, only the toe-cannon are Red.
(Actually, I'm gonna have to check my Headmaster VCD's and make sure the
tone-cannon of Fort Max weren't colored toy innaccuraely...)
'course, from a Japanese perspective, even if it WAS the Fort Max
spacecruiser, that doesn't mean... anything about Fortress's fate.
>> I guess I don't see it as a lot of questions. It's more 3 real questions,
>> a few 'do I have this right's and a bunch of 'is there something I'm
missing,
>> or does this make as little sense as it appears's. Careful, if I find your
>> annswers helpful, I'm likely to start asking questions about the Zodiac...
>>
>Great, the Zodiac. Well, that's always sketchy, since there was no
>anime to back it up. I think there's an intentional lack of info on it
>to make it appear mysterious, as opposed to just writer negligence.
>I've also discovered that it's almost definitely _not_ any
>transmutation of the Matrix. I'm going to write a general speculative
>timeline after some research.
The Zodiac component, as presented in the Zone OAV is fairly
straightforward. (And facinating, given various things in G1 and BW overall
pointing to Earth as an artifically created planet...) I am, of course,
curious about its (increasingly prominent) role as G1 ran on after that. In
the fanfic I'm working on, I'll probably eventually have to end up writing 3
sentences about the Zodiac in its later role. I could fudge and be vague, but
they're plot-driving sentences, so I'd prefer to have an understanding of the
nebulous idea of the Zodiac and simply write consistent with that...
...that, plus it's just cool to KNOW.
-Derik
"You have zero talent. Give up writing." -Yuki Eiri, Gravitation
"I can't follow any of this. And I like nosnense crap!"-Chris Funaro, on
'Push Nevada'
Llewelyn Darkstar
"Derik Smith" <regen...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020920080802...@mb-mi.aol.com...
> Dougie Dlinn wrote:
<snip>
(And facinating, given various things in G1 and BW overall
> pointing to Earth as an artifically created planet...)
<snip>
The BW stuff is fairly obvious, but what clues were there in G1, out of
curiousity?
--
- Llewelyn Darkstar, Ranger
"I heard that if you play the Windows CD backwards, you get a satanic
message."
"That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs Windows!"
Derik Smith
>The BW stuff is fairly obvious, but what clues were there in G1,
>out of curiousity?
I really don't consider green crystal shafts sunk into the Earth's core,
fuctioning as an almost perfect powertap, an artifact of a naturally occouring
planet...
Plus, of course, the Zodiac Component is buried under the Earth in a
webwork of radiating crystal shafts. The ZC is some remnant of the creation of
the universe, and given a sufficient power source, it is capable of creating a
planet.
Sol is a second-generation star. The Zodiac component was foudn embedded
in our planet. You do the math.
Derik Smith
>After the defeat of Unicron, Lio Convoy takes over as the Maximal/Cybertron
>Commander-In-Chief to fill the position left by the deceased Great Convoy.
Ah, now THIS is something I haven't heard before. Facinating, that.
Did the trimulvative of Lioconvoy, Big Convoy and Magmato ascend together
to replace the council, or JUST Lioconvoy?
It fits nicely with Beast Machines though. Apparently one of Megatron's
first strikes was agains the Maximal High Counncil (whose chambers he secretly
took over and used to orchestrate the rest of his takeover.) It explaisn why
Lioconvoy's spark was in the Matrix to act as a source for Lion DNA for Alpha
Trion's rebirth (just like Dinobot's spark was a source for the Dinobots'
dinosaur DNA.)
There's some evidence that those who were affected bt the virus, but still
managed to evade the drone patrols taking them to the desparking centers might
have eventually actualy died of it... (More likely de-sparked, as Rodimus's
contact with the Prime Matrix, at least, spelled immunity) I wonder why
Magmatron survived? Mitotic Spark perhaps, or his various contacts with cosmic
powers likewise rendered his immune...
Gyumaoh
>to replace the council, or JUST Lioconvoy?
Lio Convoy replaces Great Convoy.
Big Convoy was offered some sort of big promotion also, but turned it down in
his usual bad-ass/loner way.
>I wonder why Magmatron survived?
Don't know... I'll have to watch those last 5 or 6 episodes again to see if
it's explained.
But the way I remember it, he just pops op in the last 30 secs of the finale.
Then there are those montage shots on the finale credits that show all the BW2
& Neo characters together... I don't know if that's supposed to be in
continuity or just a "cast party" fan service.
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> Dougie Dlinn wrote:
>
>> Okay, I *have* seen all of BWII, and I can tell you that the
[snip]
Sorry, that was Dave Van Domelen who wrote that. I've seen maybe 3-4
episodes total of BWII. :-)
Don't mean to kvetch, mind you...
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Misspelled and misattributed in one post--how will I ever live it down?
Douglas W. Dlin
> DNAVI (short for Devil NAVIgator) is simply a complete bitch.
:-) Wait--it's not short for Destron NAVIgator? As opposed to the
Cybertrons' NAVI computer?
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
Hydra
> Gyumaoh wrote:
>
> >After the defeat of Unicron, Lio Convoy takes over as the Maximal/Cybertron
> >Commander-In-Chief to fill the position left by the deceased Great Convoy.
>
> Ah, now THIS is something I haven't heard before. Facinating, that.
> Did the trimulvative of Lioconvoy, Big Convoy and Magmato ascend together
> to replace the council, or JUST Lioconvoy?
Heheh, mmm Magmato. Latest in the line of drinks from the company that
brought you Clamato.
Wow, I had forgotten that Great Convoy bited the dust at the end of
the series. It's a shame, as we never actually saw him transform or
use his powers, did we? I dont think Magmatron would be allowed to
occupy a position of Maximal leadership. In fact, he's fortunate at
being pardoned for the crimes he committed.
By the way, I strongly believe that the Council of Convoys was Japan's
reponse to the Maximal Elders, kinda fleshing out a group that was
left in the shadows in our BW. As for the Tripredacus Council, did you
know that in Japan it was called the Trypticon Council? I kid you not.
And they never even had teh name "Trypticon" before, since theirs was
called Dinosaurer. They probably changed it because "Tripledacus" was
the Jointron combiner.
-Hydra
Hydra
> llewlyn wrote:
>
> >The BW stuff is fairly obvious, but what clues were there in G1,
> >out of curiousity?
>
> I really don't consider green crystal shafts sunk into the Earth's core,
> fuctioning as an almost perfect powertap, an artifact of a naturally occouring
> planet...
> Plus, of course, the Zodiac Component is buried under the Earth in a
> webwork of radiating crystal shafts. The ZC is some remnant of the creation of
> the universe, and given a sufficient power source, it is capable of creating a
> planet.
> Sol is a second-generation star. The Zodiac component was foudn embedded
> in our planet. You do the math.
>
Zodiac: it's described as a "power source of super-energy that is said
to have led to the Earth's creation." So, you're thinking it's a Vok
artifact of some sort?
-Hydra
Derik Smith
>Zodiac: it's described as a "power source of super-energy that is said
>to have led to the Earth's creation." So, you're thinking it's a Vok
>artifact of some sort?
Well, going by the Zone sub... the Zodiac component is actually that which
brought forth the universe, somehow responsible for the big bang. Despite that
purpose beign fullfilled (my interpetation) it still retains that ability, with
a vast external energy source, to create a planet.
Think of it like God's Air Horn. Once the air in a can is gone, though
the mechanism is intact, it will blow no longer. Hook up an air pressure
source (probably much less powerful than the original can o' Air, since it's
GOD'S CAN,) and it still might give a half-hearted toot or two. (And yes, this
was the best metaphor I could think of for that, it makes perfect sense in my
head.)
Some kind of physical form taken by those last particles of the previous
world Unicron missed? Used by the sentient core of the universe to shape and
birth this new one amid the boiling quantum foam of heat and pressure before
radiation cooled to energy-- and then discarded?
I don't think the ZC is a Vok artifact, per se... I think it's an artifact
of a completely different order- which the Vok used. Either found, or begged a
loan of from the universe's sentient core. (Which I imagine would be
well-disposed to grant favors to Primus's stepchildren, bastard or no.) A
discarded anvil of the gods, which is more mortal (or demigodlike int he Vok's
case) hands can merely forge worlds, not universes.
(Or, based on a similar argument, the ZC exerts the same power/creative
force, but such is the amount of leverage involved in exerting that force in
the first ticks of Plank's constant time... it effectively determines the shape
and form the Universe will take.)
In either case, the real 'magic' of the zodiac component is not in the
power of what it does- but in the ART. Designing a universe that works.
Building a world from the ground up... I assuem the zodiac wouldn't build a
dead world, or a spinnign dustball that will one day become a world... but
would form a living, thriving world with it's own ecosystem, carbon or
tech-based, or any other basis you can think of. Think of the proposed
bioocompilers, only a billion times more complex. More complex even then the
primal program or the creation matrix. It creates not one life, in a pre-made
body, but a whole world of...
...you get the point.
Did the Zodiac actually ever CREATE a world in the later TV magazine
installments? I'm curious about the mechanism in action, they only discussed
it in the OVA...
Of course, the Zodiac had other abilities. It game Dai Atlas and
whatsisschlub base ('zone') modes. (Or did it just power up those pre-extant
modes?) Did it... reconfigure him internally? (The comics matrix could
certianly do that... and the japanese matrix for that matter, as seen in the G2
toycomics... did those take place on another planet?) A piece of cake it it's
actually capable of planning and design on the level I postulate...
(I was gonna mention Brave Max's 'Transformation Patterns' here, but
re-reading the spec, is ee it clearly refers to them in a tactical sense. ''I
can park the city and send out Cog and the shell, or go in as a spacecruise and
carpet-bomb, or...')
Interestingly, I believe (off the top of my head) that Dai Atlas
besearched the Zodiac for this Deux- er- powerup.
Since the official 'word' on the Zodiac concerns only it's world-creating
abilities, perforce one must then infer its other abilities through example. I
know it played a part in Convoy's ressurection somehow, as did 'supernova
energy' of some sort. And you made a refrence to it 'taking the place of the
Matrix' in some capacity for the post-Zone stories... but I lack specifics. No
rush, you said you intended to do a write-up about it. sometime....
The one think I'd say definitively is that the Zodiac is not related to
the (zodiac-themed) Covenant.
Was magmatron's ship actually called the Dynasoar in the cartoon?
>Wow, I had forgotten that Great Convoy bited the dust at the end of
>the series. It's a shame, as we never actually saw him transform or
>use his powers, did we?
Nope! But for consolation, here's my quick-ass study of the 3 Maximus
starship mdes (since I don't think Brave got one animated...)
http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/max/
Note that they all had different animation models. The Maximus ship from
Neo sported Fort Max's color scheme, but had a general 'smoothing out'
redesign. It's conning tower is now both sloped back and pushed back (or at
least the rear legs on the 'horse' are pushed forward in our White Base
analogy) the toes have a complete redesign (the way the cannons are mounted
actually looks very, very neat, they look like they can fold down...) And it
sports a radio ariel. (Though not pictured, it also sports two 'fins' coming
out of its bottom at about where the 'shoulders' are.) I'm guessing on the top
of the legs and the read flight deck design, and the ship was always shown from
below.
The most noticable change, the gun mounted beside the conning tower is the
SMALLER of FM's 2 guns.
I'm calling this design 'Great Maximus,' since G1 season 2 had a throway
ref to him, ,and it's commanded by Great Convoy.
You (or somebody) mentioned that this ship appeared in multiple places (I
assume that means liscenced media.) Whersabouts? Was there an animation model
in one of the Neo guides?
>By the way, I strongly believe that the Council of Convoys was Japan's
>reponse to the Maximal Elders, kinda fleshing out a group that was
>left in the shadows in our BW. As for the Tripredacus Council, did you
>know that in Japan it was called the Trypticon Council? I kid you not.
...I knew that not. Facinating...
>And they never even had teh name "Trypticon" before, since theirs was
>called Dinosaurer. They probably changed it because "Tripledacus" was
>the Jointron combiner.
Well, I'm firmly behind any dub of BW2 calling that combiner
'Tripredaking' to avoid any MORE confusion with the council...
Doogie Dillon wrote:
>On Sep. 20, 2002, Rikkie Smith wrote:
>>
>> Dougie Dlinn wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I *have* seen all of BWII, and I can tell you that the
>>> Cybertron/Destron war is a lot hotter.
>
>[snip]
>
>Sorry, that was Dave Van Domelen who wrote that. I've seen maybe 3-4
>episodes total of BWII. :-)
*growl* Stupid D/D names...
Hey, Dave's participating on this thread? Hey Dave (since it came up) do
you have a picture of Heinlad in his timecop uniform on your site somewhere? I
have this vague recollection that there might once have been, but I had no luck
finding it the other day...
Gyumaoh
>Cybertrons' NAVI computer?
Well, the book I have only says it's short for "Devil Navi".
This makes... how many Navis now?
1) Naviko - BW1 Predacon computer
2) Navichan - BW2 Maximal computer
3) Navi - Neo Maximal computer
4) DNAVI - Neo Predacon computer
Gyumaoh
Yeah, the "Dinosaur" or "Dynasoar".
Same as their late home planet.
> I'm calling this design 'Great Maximus,' since G1 season 2 had a throway
>ref to him, ,and it's commanded by Great Convoy.
Hey, I remember that! Beachcomber said that. It all makes sense now.
>Well, I'm firmly behind any dub of BW2 calling that combiner
>'Tripredaking' to avoid any MORE confusion with the council...
If his name is correctly pronounced "TRIPLE-dacus" or "TRIPLE-dax", it really
doesn't sound anything like BW's "TRY-Pred-a-cuss" council.
G.B.Blackrock
time at home than I'd expected. Here is the first Sixtubo-team Tech
Spec: Road Police.
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/RoadPolice.jpg
I'll eventually get it on my regular web page, but for now this works.
If anybody knows I font I can use on the character name at the top of
the Tech Specs that more closely resembles the originals by Hasbro,
I'd be grateful for the help.
Thanks again to all those who have helped by supplying translations
and scans.
More to follow,
G.B. Blackrock
G.B.Blackrock
can be found at: http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/Glide.jpg
Also, I've updated my web page,
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/tfspecs.html,
which has Tech Specs for all the Sixliner and Omnibot members, as well
as Road Police of the Turbo Team. Other Sixturbo members will follow.
G.B. Blackrock
Douglas W. Dlin
>
> I've finished the Tech Specs for Glide, the Sixturbo motorcycle. They
> can be found at:
> http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/Glide.jpg
Sweet. Keep up the good work, G.B. Can't wait to see it all done.
Doug Dlin
ap...@hotmail.com
G.B.Blackrock
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/Circuittech.jpg,
and on my web page at
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/tfspecs.html
For this character, I've used the Japanese translation by Doug Dlin
for the main text, but the Function, quote, and stats (none of which
exist on the Japanese version) are lifted from the UK Action Master
Circuit, which may or may not have been intended as the same
character. (F-1 racer similarity, but other things seem quite
different)
G.B. Blackrock
Neale Davidson
> for the main text, but the Function, quote, and stats (none of which
> exist on the Japanese version) are lifted from the UK Action Master
> Circuit, which may or may not have been intended as the same
> character. (F-1 racer similarity, but other things seem quite
> different)
Hate to point this out, but you list 'circuit' as 'circuitry' in the opening
part of the tech-spec. Otherwise, well done. If you want to make it
just a hare more authentic looking, try bolding the font on the bio.
Neale Davidson
G.B.Blackrock
The typo has been corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. I've
debated the bold font thing for a while, and after comparing
print-outs with actual tech specs, have decided that non-bold type is
closer. For an example of bold type still in one of my tech specs,
check out my custom character Shadowjack on my Action Master Page:
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/tfamscans.html
Thanks for your help,
G.B. Blackrock
G.B.Blackrock
patient. The latest Sixturbo Tech Spec: Neo-Wheel
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/NeoWheel.jpg
As always, all of my Americanized Tech Specs can be found at:
http://mypage.campuspipeline.com/NicodemusLegend/files/tfspecs.html
I hope to have the last three (two more Micromasters, plus the
Sixturbo gestalt) out before too long, but the two Micros will need a
bit more image editing than the others (to eliminate text that was
drawn over them on the box).
Keep checking the page for updates!
G.B. Blackrock
Goldbug
Wow cool!
You got Downshift's tecs from Takara?
I got them from the US STARS order catalog. The one where Ultra Magnus
speaks about the Omnibots.
http://www.geocities.com/goldbug15.geo/autobotpics/downshift.jpg
G.B.Blackrock
> Wow cool!
> You got Downshift's tecs from Takara?
> I got them from the US STARS order catalog. The one where Ultra Magnus
> speaks about the Omnibots.
> http://www.geocities.com/goldbug15.geo/autobotpics/downshift.jpg
I tried your link, but it appears to be broken. However, if you're
referring to what I think you are from the STARS order catalog, those
shouldn't be "Tech Specs" so much as Ultra Magnus talking briefly
about the Omnibots.
If you can provide a new link, though, I'm happy to be proven wrong.
G.B. Blackrock
Goldbug
Yeah I know now actual stats but Ultra Magnus does say what their
functions are & a little bit about their abilities. I pretty much
filled in the rest.
Stoopid Yahoo Geocities! :( Try here -->
http://www.geocities.com/goldbug15.geo/tecs.html