Terrible state of affairs!
Wayne
apps and data on my ThinkPad. Anyway, not sure how to. What
this means is I've lost all my e-mails, letters, other docs, photos
and just as important, all my software registration keys. I think
I've recovered most of them and I'm down to two, PMMail and
PMINews. I'm using an old copy of PMMail on my desktop now
thanks to writing the reg key on the disk I saved it on! PMINews
may be a tough one as Stardock doesn't support OS/2 and I
don't think they'll want to look it up for me :-(
Ahh, just remembered all my e-mail addresses are kaput too!
Cheers
Wayne
Mark Yudkin
evidence - else you'll just annoy them and make them feel "why should we
help this rude bloke?") and I'm sure they will help you.
Stardock's Customer Service email address (the one you lost) is
in...@stardock.com.
- Mark Yudkin, Yudkin Consulting AG
"Wayne" <rond...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:ebaqbaxblooarwc...@news.cis.dfn.de...
Wayne
:>Send Stardock a nice mail (in other words, don't be rude about them with no
:>evidence - else you'll just annoy them and make them feel "why should we
:>help this rude bloke?") and I'm sure they will help you.
:>
:>Stardock's Customer Service email address (the one you lost) is
:>in...@stardock.com.
I found a pminews mail address on one of their homepages
that said registration keys were available and I sent them a
mail, thanking them in advnace for any help they could give.
I now await their response.
Cheers
Wayne
Sten Solberg
Sorry to hear this. I am not aware of what exactly happened to your
partition/drive, but have you considered what for example DFSee might be capable
of? If you have not done a "long" reformat of the partition, there may still be
some hope.
--
Best regards
Sten Solberg
.. Also sprach Zarathustra: "Have a Good Day!"
Wayne
:>Sorry to hear this. I am not aware of what exactly happened to your
:>partition/drive, but have you considered what for example DFSee might be capable
:>of? If you have not done a "long" reformat of the partition, there may still be
:>some hope.
Hi Sten,
I've looked at DFSEE but it's rather a complicated utility for my rather
limited capabilities :-) I haven't touched the volume with another tool
but I did run DFSEE and it told me to run some command, which I've
done. In fact it's been running since yesterday morning and it's now
10:40 in the evening a day later :-) I'm hoping it works but I'm sure I'll
screw it up! I've finally got this desktop machine setup for full use. Up
till now it only had Warp 4 FP15 and RSJ on it. My kids mainly use the
Win98 partition and more recently the RedHat partition. They seem
to like Tux Racer :-)
Cheers
Wayne
Sten Solberg
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:37:42 +0000 (UTC), Sten Solberg wrote:
>
> :>Sorry to hear this. I am not aware of what exactly happened to your
> :>partition/drive, but have you considered what for example DFSee might be capable
> :>of? If you have not done a "long" reformat of the partition, there may still be
> :>some hope.
>
> Hi Sten,
>
> I've looked at DFSEE but it's rather a complicated utility for my rather
> limited capabilities :-) I haven't touched the volume with another tool
> but I did run DFSEE and it told me to run some command, which I've
> done. In fact it's been running since yesterday morning and it's now
> 10:40 in the evening a day later :-) I'm hoping it works but I'm sure I'll
> screw it up!
If you really have all those valuable data on that partition and no backup, I
would register DFSee *immy* (if you have not already done so) and then send a
mail to Jan van Wijk and explain the problem. He is very helpful, and if he
cannot fix it, I doubt very many others can... I agree that DFSee is difficult
to use if you are not an expert. Personally I am very reluctant to use it
without proper 'handholding'...
> I've finally got this desktop machine setup for full use. Up
> till now it only had Warp 4 FP15 and RSJ on it. My kids mainly use the
> Win98 partition and more recently the RedHat partition. They seem
> to like Tux Racer :-)
I have been planning to install Win98 and RedHat for more than two years now,
but I never seem to get past 'a little more tweaking' of OS/2. Guess this
proves two things: that I don't need either and that I will never get to know
Tux Racer :)
life...@xxvol.com
>I've looked at DFSEE but it's rather a complicated utility for my
>rather limited capabilities :-)
Me too, but I'd try hard not to lose that much stuff. I clipped the
following from my records.
To learn more about the dfsee-support group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support
Jim L
Snip XX to Email
life...@xxvol.com
>to use if you are not an expert. Personally I am very reluctant to use
>it without proper 'handholding'...
Version 5 is coming. It will be at least somewhat menu driven as I
understand. Hopefully that will make it easier for non geniuses to use.
Wayne
:>>I've looked at DFSEE but it's rather a complicated utility for my
Hi Jim,
I've known about the Yahoo support group. I used to belong to
a couple of groups but unsubscribed ages ago. I got tired of
wading through all the ads to get to the 'meat'. There was
probably another reason too.
Cheers
Wayne
Wayne
:>I have been planning to install Win98 and RedHat for more than two years now,
:>but I never seem to get past 'a little more tweaking' of OS/2. Guess this
:>proves two things: that I don't need either and that I will never get to know
:>Tux Racer :)
Win98 'works' OK but I couldn't use it on a regular basis, it would drive
me nuts. RedHat actually installs easier than both Win and OS/2 but
again, without the WPS it is not as usable as OS/2. When I got my TP
the first thing I did was wipe the disk, no dual boot for me! But on this
machine I have to have Win because that's what my kids learn at
school :-( It's useful to have a couple of OSs when making web pages.
you can see what it looks like on different systems with different
browsers :-)
Cheers
Wayne
Wayne
:>>I agree that DFSee is difficult
I'd like to register it (and one or two others) but the budget does not
allow for it right now, I just had to buy a new TV. My less than 2 year
old Toshiba went south recently! Boy, the flat panel TVs look cool
and some of the high definition ones have a really nice picture but
they're really expensive. Had to stick with a 29" flat wide screen.
Kudos to BMT Micro. I had registered both PMMail and PMINews
with them, although I wasn't 100% sure when I wrote to them. I got
both serial numbers in my mailbox this morning.
Cheers
Wayne
Sten Solberg
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC), Sten Solberg wrote:
>
> :>I have been planning to install Win98 and RedHat for more than two years now,
> :>but I never seem to get past 'a little more tweaking' of OS/2. Guess this
> :>proves two things: that I don't need either and that I will never get to know
> :>Tux Racer :)
>
> Win98 'works' OK but I couldn't use it on a regular basis, it would drive
> me nuts.
I could use it for the DVD player that came with my latest desktop, but my real
reason would be to run some horse-betting programs - don't laugh, this is
serious!! :) - and get easier access to horse statistics which come in Access
format... Other than this, I have no need for Windows. It seems that both
StarOffice and SmartSuite can handle earlier MS Word documents, and I expect
SmartSuite 1.7 to be able to handle the latest Word format (version 1.6 just
exits(!) when I try).
> RedHat actually installs easier than both Win and OS/2 but
> again, without the WPS it is not as usable as OS/2. When I got my TP
> the first thing I did was wipe the disk, no dual boot for me! But on this
> machine I have to have Win because that's what my kids learn at
> school :-( It's useful to have a couple of OSs when making web pages.
> you can see what it looks like on different systems with different
> browsers :-)
I used to have a simple web page at GeoCities. Then Yahoo! came along and made
it "disappear". Oh well.
Jack Troughton
You want them to send you emails. Use pmmail's filtering functions
to immediately toss them into a subfolder. The web interface has
come to the point of blowing huge chunks into the white porcelain
god... but the email interface still works fine; it only has five to
ten lines of text ad at the bottom of each email.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca *
* http://consultron.ca irc.ecomstation.ca *
* Laval Québec Canada news://news.consultron.ca *
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Wayne
:>You want them to send you emails. Use pmmail's filtering functions
:>to immediately toss them into a subfolder. The web interface has
:>come to the point of blowing huge chunks into the white porcelain
:>god... but the email interface still works fine; it only has five to
:>ten lines of text ad at the bottom of each email.
:-) Now if only we could configure PMMail to strip out the ads
at the bottom!
Cheers
Wayne
Mike Fry
> :-) Now if only we could configure PMMail to strip out the ads
> at the bottom!
What's the problem? Write a program and register it as a filter with
PMMail! Should be fairly easy to do. I'll have a go for you.
--
Regards, Mike Fry
email: mik...@iafrica.com
life...@xxvol.com
>:>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support
>Hi Jim,
>I've known about the Yahoo support group.
Do you know that you can get an email version and not have to mess with
yahoo online?
Paul Ratcliffe
>:-) Now if only we could configure PMMail to strip out the ads
> at the bottom!
What? Are you serious? This is almost trivially easy with a REXX filter:
/**/
startkey="------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->"
endkey ="---------------------------------------------------------------------~->"
/**/
arg file
inhdr = 1
intag = 0
i = 0
modflag = 0
do while lines(file) <> 0
i = i + 1
line.0 = i
line.i = linein(file)
if inhdr = 1 then do
if length(line.i) = 0 then
inhdr = 0
end; else do
if strip(line.i) = startkey then
intag = 1
if intag = 1 then do
if strip(line.i) = endkey then
intag = 0
i = i - 1
line.0 = i
modflag = 1
end
end
end
call stream file, 'C', 'CLOSE'
if modflag = 1 then do
'@del' file '2>nul'
do i = 1 to line.0
call lineout file, line.i
end
call lineout file
end
Wayne
:>
:>>:>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support
:>
:>>Hi Jim,
:>
:>>I've known about the Yahoo support group.
:>
:>Do you know that you can get an email version and not have to mess with
:>yahoo online?
If I fail miserably in my attempt to recover my partition I'll succumb
to the e-mail version :-)
Cheers
Wayne
Wayne
Cheers
Wayne (Hot and humid in Tokyo)
On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:40:59 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
:>What? Are you serious? This is almost trivially easy with a REXX filter:
Mike Fry
> :-) Now if only we could configure PMMail to strip out the ads
> at the bottom!
Ignore my previous message about writing a program. That wouldn't work
since PMMail only uses user-written programs for filtering. It wouldn't
be possible to edit an incoming email. To do that, use, as Paul
Ratcliffe says, a REXX script.
driven zen
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:43:54, "Wayne" <rond...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:37:42 +0000 (UTC), Sten Solberg wrote:
> >
> > :>Sorry to hear this. I am not aware of what exactly happened to your
> > :>partition/drive, but have you considered what for example DFSee might be capable
> > :>of? If you have not done a "long" reformat of the partition, there may still be
> > :>some hope.
> >
> > Hi Sten,
> >
> > I've looked at DFSEE but it's rather a complicated utility for my rather
> > limited capabilities :-) I haven't touched the volume with another tool
> > but I did run DFSEE and it told me to run some command, which I've
> > done. In fact it's been running since yesterday morning and it's now
> > 10:40 in the evening a day later :-) I'm hoping it works but I'm sure I'll
> > screw it up!
>
> If you really have all those valuable data on that partition and no backup, I
> would register DFSee *immy* (if you have not already done so) and then send a
> mail to Jan van Wijk and explain the problem. He is very helpful, and if he
> cannot fix it, I doubt very many others can... I agree that DFSee is difficult
> to use if you are not an expert. Personally I am very reluctant to use it
> without proper 'handholding'...
Hello Sten and Wayne:
I've actually found myself using dfsee because of
the limitations of other programs (e.g., fdisk and
Partition Magic) and found that it wasn't that bad.
And, I certainly don't qualify as an expert. Just
a little encouragement. And, I did register it.
Best of luck,
Mark Henigan
(a fellow sufferer from failing to back up - but
not any more! Instant recovery and zipping archives
of partitions will save me from that fate in the
future.)
--
Sten Solberg
> (a fellow sufferer from failing to back up - but
> not any more! Instant recovery and zipping archives
> of partitions will save me from that fate in the
> future.)
What exactly do you mean by "Instant recovery"? Do you have one of OS/2's
archiving methods in mind? Personally, I have relied (successfully) on WPSbkup
and InfoZip so far.
Wayne
:>On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:12:19, driven zen <driv...@netfeed.com> wrote:
:>
:>> (a fellow sufferer from failing to back up - but
:>> not any more! Instant recovery and zipping archives
:>> of partitions will save me from that fate in the
:>> future.)
:>
:>What exactly do you mean by "Instant recovery"? Do you have one of OS/2's
:>archiving methods in mind? Personally, I have relied (successfully) on WPSbkup
:>and InfoZip so far.
I was sure I'd made a backup of my desktop on that machine
with OD's backup advisor. It turned out to be from when I had
Warp 4 on the machine :-)
I will be a tad more careful in the future. If I recover it, that is!
Cheers
Wayne
Peter Moylan
>>:>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support
>>I've known about the Yahoo support group.
> Do you know that you can get an email version and not have to mess with
> yahoo online?
There's a catch, I'm afraid. I haven't tried it with the dfsee mailing
list, but I do receive the InJoy mailing list -- but I can't post to
that list because I am banned from Yahoo. You have to be subscribed
with Yahoo in order to post to such a list. I'll probably end up
dropping out of the InJoy list, not because it's uninteresting but
simply because it's lost half its functionality for me.
I have a similar restriction on an eCS mailing list. That's less of a
problem because that list is echoed into a newsgroup, and in any case
I find newsgroups less time-wasting than mailing lists (I can skip
through unwanted articles faster). Even there, however, any response
that I post is seen only by people using the newsgroup interface. It's
not passed on to the mailing list because Yahoo won't allow non-members
to post to a mailing list.
As for why I'm banned from Yahoo: there is no obvious reason. I was
trying to update my account details to say that I don't want spam
(after the Yahoo policy change a while back that made "supply spam" the
default action), and suddenly I got a message saying that I had been
banned. It's vaguely possible, I suppose, that a certain person has
been making complaints about me, but I think a more likely reason is
a bug in the Yahoo software.
No doubt I could fix this by going through the proper procedures and
sacrificing a couple of goats, but by now I'm no longer prepared to
waste a couple of hours of my life struggling through the painfully
slow and user-unfriendly Yahoo web interface. It's simpler just to
make the decision that I will never again join a mailing list that
is hosted on Yahoo.
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au
Janek Schwarz
news:3D5461AA...@WarpCity.com...
> Serenity Systems has no bona-fide "offices" or "storefront".
As someone who desperately hates Stardock Inc., Tim Martin has pretty good
knowledge of what goes on on their news server. Brad Wardell actually used
the term "storefront" on Stardock's news server in one of his postings
regarding Serenity Systems and their offices. Who knows, Tim Martin probably
even uses Object Desktop for Windows.
Janek.
The OS/2 Guy
The fact that two people, Brad Wardell and Tim Martin, both with long histories
that are well established within the OS/2 community, can confirm that Serenity
Systems has no actual storefront, proves Boob St. John is a known liar and a
con that no one within the OS/2 community should have any faith or belief in.
As an eCS investor it is understandable why your appearance in the OS/2
newsgroups is so pathetic.
Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit Warp City Auctions!
http://warpcity.com
Warp City's Review of eCS: http://www.warpcity.com/Buy_SWC%21.html
Jim Stuyck
"The OS/2 Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
news:3D55BA43...@WarpCity.com...
Talking about "no actual storefront," eyeballing the much-SPAMmed
"Warp City Auctions" reveals that, for something like a month -- maybe
two -- there have been (at most) TWO "bids placed" at the entire site.
It's up to a total of 113 now and has been there for some time.
Then, of course, there's the "chauvet.com" web site of "Chauvet &
Co." where current news is dated January, 2002!
Yeah, those "Chauvet's" are doing land office business...not.
Jim Stuyck
M. Kiewitz
wrote:
[...]
> Yeah, those "Chauvet's" are doing land office business...not.
True, True
That's why Larry has so much time to visit os/2 newsgroups and spam
them. It's pathetic.
cu, Kiewitz
--
-> reply to kiewitz (a-t) netlabs.org, if you are not spamming =)
Wayne
:>The fact that two people, Brad Wardell and Tim Martin, both with long histories
:>that are well established within the OS/2 community, can confirm that Serenity
:>Systems has no actual storefront, proves Boob St. John is a known liar and a
:>con that no one within the OS/2 community should have any faith or belief in.
:>
:>As an eCS investor it is understandable why your appearance in the OS/2
:>newsgroups is so pathetic.
While I have no love for Brad Wardell, at least I can respect the man who at
least produced software for OS/2, where you, dickwad, have nothing but
belittled those who have tried their best to do something for the OS/2
community. What have you programmed recently? What tips have you
given to OS/2 users in distress? You take what information that's freely
available in these groups and elsewhere and sell them to your poor
unsuspecting subscriber. You are the ultimate con artist. You are the most
pathetic luser, bereft of a life. Maybe your parents should take away your
computing priveledges for a while until the medication kicks in.
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
>"Bob St.John" wrote:
>
>> Time out, Martin. Don't go believing the stuff "Tim Martin" spouts. Serenity Systems
>> has employees.
>
>Serenity Systems hasn't one "paid" employee. You have volunteers
>and nothing more. And those very volunteers have invested in eCS
>and are therefore their aim is to benefit themselves - not OS/2 and
>certainly not the OS/2 community
That's exactly as Warp City has really absolutly no subscriber and its
auctions are only criminal acts with stolen content. This well proven.
>> It is not two guys working out of their houses, though I use a home
>> office. Kim maintains an office, always has. Kim generally works with two to three
>> technicians doing research, development, and testing.
>
>Serenity Systems has no bona-fide "offices" or "storefront".
>Actually the 'WiseMachine" portion has never worked, it still doesn't work
>and those few eCS consumers who have tried to deal with it have complained
>bitterly about being ripped off by the claims of WiseMachine. Here are a few
It is proven of multiple thousends of WiseMashine users that Tim
Martin is a liar. Tim Martin has never seen WiseMashine on an eCS
system, because he is unable to get his stolen eCS installed, because
his eCS knows that it is stolen.
- WC auctions are only there to rob buyers
- WC auction has only faked sellers
- WC has not a single subscriber
- Tim Martin is a 72 moth old child with a void room in the place
humans have the brain
>> But when we
>> began that project, eCS took on a life of its own and has done very well.
>
>This is another lie. eCS is failing. You have lied so often to the
>members of the OS/2 community that only your own investors
>believe what you say. And they have to. Their exepensive
>financial investment in eCS is on the line.
That must be true because Tim Martin is the chief of all chefs of all
companies in the universe and has access to each and anything that is
inside this universe and maybe any other too.
>Tim Martin, The OS/2 Liar and Thief
>Visit Warp City Auctions - there are new used underweare of mine
>http://warpcity.com - the only homepage in this universe that costs money but has no content
>
>Warp City's Review of Tim Martin: http://www.warpcity.com/Tim_Martin_is_a_sentenced_thief.html
The reality about Tim Martin:
http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/TMFaq/
--
Tschau/Bye
Herbert
http://www.pc-rosenau.de
the point to buy eComStation in germany
Bob St.John
The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> The fact that two people, Brad Wardell and Tim Martin, both with long histories
> that are well established within the OS/2 community, can confirm that Serenity
> Systems has no actual storefront, proves Boob St. John is a known liar and a con
> that no one within the OS/2 community should have any faith or belief in.
No one can deny that both have a history .. but Wardell's is established in the
OS/2 community. "Tim Martin's" is not. Established on USENET perhaps ... but in the
overall community .. no. eComStation, on the other hand, was voted Best Commercial
Software of 2001 on OS/2 World.
As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
the product.
Serenity Systems has a channel of resellers and distributors which has created
thousands of eCS users. I see know benefit in a brick and mortar store front at
this point in time. Perhaps one day, but not today.
Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems
The OS/2 Guy
> ... eComStation, on the other hand, was voted Best Commercial
> Software of 2001 on OS/2 World.
Let's look at that supposed claim. 27 people voted in what was an
obviously rigged voting poll. You forget to tell people the truth.
> As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
> an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
> the product.
Always skit the issue. Run away from the truth. The truth is: Serenity Systems
is so near bankruptcy they can't afford to pay one employee, can't afford to rent
a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and can't afford to pay for
one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic product.
Do you all see why St. John is here today? Desperate for sales. Desperate
to misuse the OS/2 newsgroups to illegally promote his scam product.
Serenity Systems has a channel of resellers and distributors which has created
thousands of eCS users. I see know benefit in a brick and mortar store front at
this point in time. Perhaps one day, but not today.
Serenity Systems has purposely put into place a barrier of once respected
sellers and distributors to ensure the only 'six' eCS customers to every buy
into eCS can't get to St. John directly with their eCS problems and complaints.
St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
community can only find six buyers. We know that Serenity is selling to
the OS/2 user only, and misusing these OS/2 newsgroups to do it, yet
Serenity will lie to the OS/2 community without blinking an eye:
- Serenity said they would sell us Warp 5.
- Serenity said they would be the only vendor to sell Warp 4
- Serenity said they would be the only vendor to sell us JFS
- Serenity said they would be the only future of OS/2
- Serenity said they have thousands of eCS consumers
- Serenity said they have many eCS Enterprise customers
The Truth:
- Serenity is lying on all of the above.
Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit Warp City Auctions!
http://warpcity.com
Warp City's Review of eCS: http://www.warpcity.com/Buy_SWC%21.html
Bob St.John
The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> Bob St.John wrote:
>
> > ... eComStation, on the other hand, was voted Best Commercial
> > Software of 2001 on OS/2 World.
>
> Let's look at that supposed claim. 27 people voted in what was an
> obviously rigged voting poll. You forget to tell people the truth.
I have no idea regarding the voting, but if that's the case .. the legions of Warp City
Sock Drawer could have easily surmounted this. ROAR.
> > As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
> > an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
> > the product.
>
> Always skit the issue.
Excuse .. this is the issue. The issue you raised. No IBM storefront selling OS/2. What
are we to make of this?
> Run away from the truth.
I know the truth. The truth is a personal friend of mine. You have nothing to do with the
truth.
> The truth is: Serenity Systems is so near bankruptcy
You have been saying that for two years. Wasn't true then .. not true now. In fact, the
Serenity Systems channel, vendor, and customer relationships continue to grow.
> they can't afford to pay one employee,
Hmm ... well, this isn't true. But it is true that more of our work is done through
consulting and other professional services than by direct employees.
> can't afford to rent a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and
> can't afford to pay for one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic
> product.
You have provided no rationale for having a storefront at this time. eCS is generally sold
through ecommerce web sites. There is a world wide network of those. Probably why IBM has
no storefronts, either.
The OS/2 Guy
> "The OS/2 Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3D55BA43...@WarpCity.com...
>
> > The fact that two people, Brad Wardell and Tim Martin, both with long
> histories
> > that are well established within the OS/2 community, can confirm that
> Serenity
> > Systems has no actual storefront
>
> This is great stuff. First, it is surprising that Tim Martin says that Brad
> Wardell is well established in the OS/2 community.
Are you saying Brad Wardell is NOT well established within the OS/2
community? At one time Brad was welcomed with open arms.
> He usually goes like
> "Brad Wardell is liar, he scamed OS/2 users, his Windows software is crap,
> etc". This is definitely a positve change.
The point of this thread is the failure of eCS - certainly not the failures
of Brad Wardell - which is where you are trying to move this thread.
Serenity Systems has no storefront and that is a major lack of
credibility. Serenity Systems can't afford a postage stamp much
less anything else.
>
>
> Second, I can't see that TM can confirm that Serenity Systems has no
> storefront. I'm actually quite interested how he proves the non-existence. I
> imagine some sort of photo on his website showing a deserted business park
> or something entitled "As you can see, there's no storefront. QED".
Well, lets see you provide us with the address of any Serenity Systems
storefront. Can you do that?
Answer: No. You cannot do that because there is no such address,
no such storefront, no such credibility.
>
>
> On the other hand, who cares whether they have a storefront.
People who buy their product and want to complain would like to
return it to the store/maker. St. John hides in his garage now and
runs to the newsgroups trumpeting the fact that he can't afford
a storefront.
Serenity Systems = lack of credibility.
> The company, I
> work for has no storefron either, but somehow they still manage to get
> customers and pay my salary.
Do they? Who cares? We're not talking about you or where you claim
to work.
This thread concerns the lack of credibility and lies told my Serenity Systems,
their owners and their investors.
Serenity Systems has no storefront. They can't afford to rent a little office
anywhere in any state or country because they are too piss poor to do so.
The OS/2 Guy
> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
> > Bob St.John wrote:
> >
> > > ... eComStation, on the other hand, was voted Best Commercial
> > > Software of 2001 on OS/2 World.
> >
> > Let's look at that supposed claim. 27 people voted in what was an
> > obviously rigged voting poll. You forget to tell people the truth.
>
> I have no idea regarding the voting, but if that's the case ..
Yes you do. You sent your four eCS salesmen in to vote repeatedly. BIG ROAR!
> the legions of Warp City
> Sock Drawer could have easily surmounted this. ROAR.
No wonder you can't get a working eCS product out the door.
Socks can't vote. You wear them on your feet! SIDE-SPLITTING ROAR!
>
>
> > > As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
> > > an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
> > > the product.
> >
> > Always skit the issue.
>
> Excuse .. this is the issue. The issue you raised. No IBM storefront selling OS/2. What
> are we to make of this?
No Serenity Systems storefront selling eCS. Serenity Systems can't afford to rent a
storefront. Quit trying to skirt the issue here. You claim eCS is going to be the
savior of OS/2 yet you don't even have a commercial piece of office space. None.
NADA! TREMENDOUS ROAR OF GIGGLES!
> Run away from the truth.
>
> I know the truth. The truth is a personal friend of mine. You have nothing to do with the
> truth.
You're personal friend is doing time in Folsom Prison.
>
>
> > The truth is: Serenity Systems is so near bankruptcy
>
> You have been saying that for two years. Wasn't true then .. not true now. In fact, the
> Serenity Systems channel, vendor, and customer relationships continue to grow.
>
And Serenity Systems can't afford to buy one commercial advertisement. Serenity
Systems can't afford to pay for one lousy employee. Serenity Systems cannot pay
the rent on one little tiny teeny-weeny commercial office.
Serenity Systems is so near bankruptcy they are a joke.
>
> > they can't afford to pay one employee,
>
> Hmm ... well, this isn't true. But it is true that more of our work is done through
> consulting and other professional services than by direct employees.
Any and all work is done by desperate invested volunteers. All six of them.
>
>
> > can't afford to rent a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and
> > can't afford to pay for one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic
> > product.
>
> You have provided no rationale for having a storefront at this time. eCS is generally sold
> through ecommerce web sites. There is a world wide network of those. Probably why IBM has
> no storefronts, either.
No rationality is needed to rent commercial office space and use it as a storefront.
Serenity Systems doesn't have enough money to do that. Potential eCS consumers
can't get into their cars and drive to the Serenity Systems office and complain to Boob
St. John about all the problems they see posted to the eCS newsgroups about the
folly problematic eCS product.
Serenity Systems = no credibility.
Don't miss my eCS review: http://www.warpcity.com/Buy_SWC%21.html
USBGuy
> return it to the store/maker. St. John hides in his garage now and
> runs to the newsgroups trumpeting the fact that he can't afford
> a storefront.
>
recently did run an Add just showing that garage.
Hmm looks to me that many success stories in the IT world started
in garages. ;)
USBGuy
> St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
> community can only find six buyers.
everybody (90%) did buy ECS. And the german head of the local OS/2
usergroups did promote buying ECS and organised a special deal for it's
members. So there are 30 or so users I know in the 2 local groups which
use it. Damn thats more then six.
Maybe you use the number six because you have to few of the same word
with an e instead the of the i.
Brad Wardell
"The OS/2 Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
news:3D56926E...@WarpCity.com...
>
> Always skit the issue. Run away from the truth. The truth is: Serenity
Systems
> is so near bankruptcy they can't afford to pay one employee, can't afford
to rent
> a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and can't
afford to pay for
> one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic product.
If you weren't such an insect Serenity could sue you into oblivion for your
libelous statements.
If you have evidence to show that they are "so near bankruptcy" then present
it. Most software companies that exist do not have offices. Virtually every
OS/2 ISV that has ever existed has not had an office. When I wrote GalCiv
for OS/2 I was in a DORM room. But at least we're actually DOING something.
All you seem to do is try to tear down others.
Do YOU have an office? If so, where is it? Where can one go to visit? I go
to San Francisco on business quite regularly (was on TechTV last week as a
matter of fact). I'd definitely be willing to visit your "store front".
I'll trade you. Here's ours:
http://draginol.stardock.com/images/stardock.jpg
Address 17292 Farmington Rd, Livonia MI. Feel free to visit. So where is
YOUR office "Tim Martin"?
One might argue that you are close to bankruptcy and hence that is the
reason why you think a "store front" is required to not be accused of being
in bankruptcy.
It's really a pity that you're such a pissant because then you could be held
liable for the libel you spread on the Internet. It's people like you that
give credence to those who want to role back privacy laws on the net.
Because people like you are effectively anonymous cowards who spew hatred
and venom from the privacy of their own parent's basement or whereever the
heck it is you utter your idiocy.
Someday if every internet post is required to have a unique identifier that
can be traced back to a particular individual, it'll be people like you that
caused the necessity.
Brad
The OS/2 Guy
> "The OS/2 Guy" <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote in message
> news:3D56926E...@WarpCity.com...
> >
> > Always skit the issue. Run away from the truth. The truth is: Serenity
> Systems
> > is so near bankruptcy they can't afford to pay one employee, can't afford
> to rent
> > a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and can't
> afford to pay for
> > one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic product.
>
> If you weren't such an insect Serenity could sue you into oblivion for your
> libelous statements.
With what? They haven't got squat much less a case of libel.
> If you have evidence to show that they are "so near bankruptcy" then present
> it. Most software companies that exist do not have offices. Virtually every
> OS/2 ISV that has ever existed has not had an office. When I wrote GalCiv
> for OS/2 I was in a DORM room. But at least we're actually DOING something.
> All you seem to do is try to tear down others.
Whine whine whine - that's what you're known for Wardell. Quit skirting
the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems can't afford
to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent for a hole
in the wall commercial office storefront.
> Do YOU have an office? If so, where is it? Where can one go to visit? I go
> to San Francisco on business quite regularly (was on TechTV last week as a
> matter of fact). I'd definitely be willing to visit your "store front".
Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
> I'll trade you. Here's ours:
> http://draginol.stardock.com/images/stardock.jpg
>
> Address 17292 Farmington Rd, Livonia MI. Feel free to visit. So where is
> YOUR office "Tim Martin"?
You're washed up Wardell. No one gives a damn where you are. It is
no surprise you hide in some hick town in MI - if I were you I'd hide
there too.
Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
> One might argue that you are close to bankruptcy and hence that is the
> reason why you think a "store front" is required to not be accused of being
> in bankruptcy.
Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
> It's really a pity that you're such a pissant because then you could be held
> liable for the libel you spread on the Internet.
And it is no pity that you are a wussy blowhard who walks around with
his thumb up his anal-rententive butt. (God, I'm descriptive, huh?)
> It's people like you that
> give credence to those who want to role back privacy laws on the net.
You would. You'd enjoy pawing through every pocket you could crawl
into.
Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
No one gives a damn about you or your failed business. What we all care
about is your previous confirmation of believe that Serenity Systems is
a shoe-string outfit who can't buy pizza for dinner.
The OS/2 Guy
> >
> > St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
> > community can only find six buyers.
> Hmm six well in the 2 local OS/2 user groups I'm a member of nearly
> everybody (90%) did buy ECS. And the german head of the local OS/2
> usergroups did promote buying ECS and organised a special deal for it's
> members. So there are 30 or so users I know in the 2 local groups which
> use it. Damn thats more then six.
No it isn't. They are called sock puppets.
>
> Maybe you use the number six because you have to few of the same word
> with an e instead the of the i.
Serinity Systems can't afford to pay the rent on a commercial office
storefront.
eCS is a failure. Anyone investing in eCS is a fool.
Hello fool.
The OS/2 Guy
Oh would you give it up. This is 2002 - where little startups generate
a billion a year.
Quit skirting the issue here. eCS is a failed product. eCS doesn't
work, doesn't sell and the owner can't afford a roll of aluminum foil
big enough to wrap his swelled head in.
Wayne
:>Quit skirting the issue here. eCS is a failed product. eCS doesn't
:>work, doesn't sell and the owner can't afford a roll of aluminum foil
:>big enough to wrap his swelled head in.
Works fine here and all those free apps for a grand totoal of $139!
What a bargain that was. Has BSJ and Serenity cheated me? Hell
no, I think those of us who had the smarts to go for the early upgrade
pricing cheated them!
The OS/2 Guy
Is that what you tell potential new customers today? How you cheated
Boob St. John and how they are going to pay for your cheating?
Good one Wayne. Now you know why no one else is buying into the
folly problematic product.
Geez, won't somebody light a match? The stench from this guy is
getting overwhelming!
Bob St.John
USBGuy wrote:
> >
> > St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
> > community can only find six buyers.
> Hmm six well in the 2 local OS/2 user groups I'm a member of nearly
> everybody (90%) did buy ECS.
Shoot .. last I looked there were 935 subscribers to the eCS Yahoo groups
mail list. That is certainly a fraction of the total users.
Don't take "Tim Martin" too seriously. He's just funnin', seeing who he can
get riled up. Even he doesn't take "Tim Martin" seriously any more. No reason
anyone else should.
The OS/2 Guy
> USBGuy wrote:
>
> > >
> > > St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
> > > community can only find six buyers.
> > Hmm six well in the 2 local OS/2 user groups I'm a member of nearly
> > everybody (90%) did buy ECS.
>
> Shoot .. last I looked there were 935 subscribers to the eCS Yahoo groups
> mail list. That is certainly a fraction of the total users.
>
> Don't take "Tim Martin" too seriously. He's just funnin',
No he aint. And you can't come up with 935 subscribers either. At most
you have six eCS consumers. And all six are screaming their heads off
in the eCS newsgroups over your folly problematic product.
When are you going to actually go out and buy a 30-second Television
Advertisement to promote eCS?
Answer: Never.
Your folly product has never garnered enough in sales to even think
about running television ads, much less actually hiring an employee
and paying him a minimum wage salary.
J. Clarke
Well, there was that little company in Texas that started out in a dorm
room where the founder was building machines for his buddies.
--
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Bob St.John
The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> "Bob St.John" wrote:
>
> > Shoot .. last I looked there were 935 subscribers to the eCS Yahoo groups
> > mail list. That is certainly a fraction of the total users.
> >
> > Don't take "Tim Martin" too seriously. He's just funnin',
>
> No he aint. And you can't come up with 935 subscribers either.
Sure you are ... no other explanation suits how silly you have become.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eComStation/members
William L. Hartzell
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <3D56F9C8...@netlabs.org>, usb...@netlabs.org says...
>
>>>People who buy their product and want to complain would like to
>>>return it to the store/maker. St. John hides in his garage now and
>>>runs to the newsgroups trumpeting the fact that he can't afford
>>>a storefront.
>>>
>>
>>Didn't apple start out in a garage? And what about HP? I think the
>>recently did run an Add just showing that garage.
>>Hmm looks to me that many success stories in the IT world started
>>in garages. ;)
>
>
> Well, there was that little company in Texas that started out in a dorm
> room where the founder was building machines for his buddies.
>
I was one of Mike's bigest fans when he was calling himself PC Limited.
His machines were 30% under those offered by HP, Compaq, IBM, AST,
Tandy, etc.
--
Bill
<Labor Day is September 2>
M. Kiewitz
wrote:
> > Excuse .. this is the issue. The issue you raised. No IBM storefront selling OS/2. What
> > are we to make of this?
> No Serenity Systems storefront selling eCS. Serenity Systems can't afford to rent a
> storefront. Quit trying to skirt the issue here. You claim eCS is going to be the
> savior of OS/2 yet you don't even have a commercial piece of office space. None.
> NADA! TREMENDOUS ROAR OF GIGGLES!
No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
Timmy Martini writes to himself:
>Whine whine whine - that's what you're known for Wardell. Quit skirting
>the issue.
>Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems can't afford
>to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent for a hole
>in the wall commercial office storefront.
I can prove that Timmy Martini was jailed in because he was unable to
pay his last phone bill. Timmy Martini was arrested because he had
buyed stolen Windows, MCP and eCS. Tim Martin goes back into jail as
one of his jailbirds had whisperd to me. This is true, even as that he
wrotes above is true too.
>> Do YOU have an office? If so, where is it? Where can one go to visit? I go
>> to San Francisco on business quite regularly (was on TechTV last week as a
>> matter of fact). I'd definitely be willing to visit your "store front".
>
>Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
>can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
>for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
As anybody knows now Timmy Martini has even not a bedroom he can
sleeping in. He is sleeping all nights under a bridge if he is not
jailed in. He owns not even a single computer, so he uses an internet
cafe to let to his FUS, SPAM and lies through the net.
So he is unable to name you his address.
>Quit skirting the issue. Tim Martin has no money. Tim Martin
>can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
>for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
In contrast Serenity Systems runs lots of banners on many renowned
pages, so they can't run one on a thiefes one, even if it were for
free. Crap City will never been never referedon them, because they
don#t like to mention SPAM and FUD pages and they will have nothing to
do with a thief and liar like the layer of the corrupt chauvet family
branch, Timmy Martini, known as Larry Chauvet.
>> It's really a pity that you're such a pissant because then you could be held
>> liable for the libel you spread on the Internet.
One of the braindead personalities of TM speaks to all other:
>And it is no pity that we are a wussy blowhard who walks around with
>his thumb up his anal-rententive butt. (God, I'm descriptive, huh?)
>
>> It's people like you that
>> give credence to those who want to role back privacy laws on the net.
>
Timmy Martini speaks to himself:
>You would. You'd enjoy pawing through every pocket you could crawl
>into.
>
>Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems has no money. Serenity Systems
>can't afford to run a lousy banner ad much less come up with monthly rent
>for a hole in the wall commercial office storefront.
In not to far time Tim Martin goes for longer time into jail again. He
will then tell again that he is going to make holliday in france and
will have no internet access there. We've to wait what time the court
will speak. But Timmy Martini will tell us then.
>No one gives a damn about me or mine failed business. What we all care
>about is my previous confirmation of believe that Warp City is
>a shoe-string outfit who can't buy pizza for dinner.
>
>Tim Martin, The Thief and Liar.
>Visit Warp City Auctions of used underwear of mine
>http://warpcity.com, the home of all thiefes and liars
>
>Warp City's Review of Tim Martin:
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
>> As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
>> an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
>> the product.
>
>Always skit the issue. Run away from the truth. The truth is: Serenity Systems
>is so near bankruptcy they can't afford to pay one employee, can't afford to rent
>a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and can't afford to pay for
Timmy Martini gets confused with his own illegal Crap City Homepage.
That is the page he was arrested multiple times for. He had failed to
preserve the personal data of the 2 users who had subscribed to his
page all the years. He is trying to do so - but he can't, because his
crap city has now not a single subscriber, except the multiple
personalities housing in his own croippled body.
Timmy Martini had >FUDing and CRAPing eCS for long years nbow, but he
gets whining that serenity is unwilling to pay him for a button on his
crappy page as they do with many renownded pages around the world.
Timmy Martini, known as Larry Chauvet names himself "The OS/2 destroy
Guy", because that is he tries to do.
>one lousy little banner ad to promote their folly problematic product.
Whine, whine, whine little guy. You knows why nobody likes to spend
mone for your crap city, that contains nothing than stolen or worhless
content.
>Do you all see why I am here today? Desperate for sales. Desperate
>to misuse the OS/2 newsgroups to illegally promote my scam product.
Right, anybody knows why you SPAMs around here. That i9s to destroy
OS/2 to get windows better market. You are the only real Windows Guy,
because you're uses Windows and Windows programs to make your faulty
homepage, incuding the fall auction page. If you were a real OS/2 user
you would host your faulty page on OS/2 not something else.
>
>Serenity Systems has a channel of resellers and distributors which has created
>thousands of eCS users. I see know benefit in a brick and mortar store front at
>this point in time. Perhaps one day, but not today.
>
>Serenity Systems has purposely put into place a barrier of once respected
>sellers and distributors to ensure the only 'six' eCS customers to every buy
>into eCS can't get to St. John directly with their eCS problems and complaints.
You means six millons, in contrast to you faulty homepage who has
absolutly no subscriber and your auction page that bets only stolen
things from thiefes to peoples who hare like to be rebbed out.
>St. John has repeatedly claimed 'thousands' of eCS sales. Yet the OS/2
>community can only find sixthousend buyers.
Sure that there only sixthousend and not six milliard buyers?
We know that Serenity is selling not to
>the OS/2 user only, and using these OS/2 newsgroups to do it, yet
>Serenity will not lie to the OS/2 community.
How ironic that 5 multiple personalities in one single, broken and
brainless body whines that they will know more than the whole
universe.
Pure FUD and SPAM removed.
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
>Serenity Systems has no storefront and that is a major lack of
>credibility. Serenity Systems can't afford a postage stamp much
>less anything else.
Liar. Prove that here in my city, in my street is none!
>Well, lets see you provide us with the address of any Serenity Systems
>storefront. Can you do that?
>
>Answer: No. You cannot do that because there is no such address,
>no such storefront, no such credibility.
Liar! prove that nowhere on the world is none. It is quite on you to
prove it, bercause you does claim it.
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, who cares whether they have a storefront.
>
>People who buy their product and want to complain would like to
>return it to the store/maker. St. John hides in his garage now and
>runs to the newsgroups trumpeting the fact that he can't afford
>a storefront.
Where is the problem. But as I had selled many licenses of eCS I had
got not a single one back, even as the address one can give it back is
exactly the same one can order it. Anybody can come here and speak me
personally, eye in eye. That is impossible with the fake Tim Martin
anyway, as he is using a fake name without any real address.
>Tim Martin = lack of credibility.
Chauvet family = cockroaches as they have born Tim Martin.
Warp City = pirates community
Warp City Auction = home of thiefes and liars
>
>> The company, I
>> work for has no storefron either, but somehow they still manage to get
>> customers and pay my salary.
>
>Do they? Who cares? We're not talking about you or where you claim
>to work.
>
>This thread concerns the lack of credibility and lies told my Warp City,
>their owners and their investors.
>
>Serenity Systems has many storefront. They can afford to rent many offices
>anywhere in any state or country because they are proven to have done so.
But, in hell, wy you are quaking the contrary in other artikles?
>
>Tim Martin, The master of all liars and thiefes
>Visit Warp City Auctions, the page where anybody gets cleaned out.
>http://warpcity.com
>
>Warp City's Review of Tim Martin:
>http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/TMFaq/
>
Oh, yeah, that shows right what a cockrooch you are.
Martin Nisshagen
: > : > - You can't afford your own office space. Serenity Systems has no office.
: >
: > I think eCS tries to be a good thing for OS/2 users, but that said I think we
: > should realize that it's very expesive operation (compared to the revenues
: > possible from selling OS/2 today) to run such an operation, and beacuse of that
: > they can't (at this time at least) afford any full time employees
:
: Time out, Martin. Don't go believing the stuff "Tim Martin" spouts. Serenity Systems
Ok.
: has employees. It is not two guys working out of their houses, though I use a home
I don't think a "home office" is what I was thinking about (I was more thinking
about that SS as a company, who among other things build and supports eCS,
hasn't any office on it's own).
: office. Kim maintains an office, always has. Kim generally works with two to three
I was talking about an office for SS, who builds and supports eCS (I know very
well that Kim has an office for his normal work).
: technicians doing research, development, and testing.
Serenity full time employees (which was what I referenced to)?
: Also need to keep in mind that the focus of Serenity Systems is not eCS. It is
Yes.
: I expect to delegate more control of the retail eCS product to the distributors,
Ok.
: I had not bothered here because there seemed to be no real need. One comment is
: true, we have not advertised eCS. I expect we will do more promotion of eCS when 1.1
Just trying to set the records straight...
So it's not true, as I heard both you and Brad say, that *SS* has no office (and
I don't count any "office" room in your home or any office Kim has for his
normal work)?
So it's not true that you have no full time *SS* employees?
I don't think that's anything to be ashamed off, but either I got that
completely wrong (which I doubt after reading Brad's and yours comments about
it), or you seems to work very hard to try to hide that (for unknown reasons).
If the first (that I was wrongly informed) I stand corrected.
I just need to clarify that I got that impression from reading your own and
Brad's comments (not anything from Warp CIty, even if he might be randomly right
i some cases).
Anyway, I hope you succeed with eCS. Even if it's no important product of yours
I think it's a very good option to IBM's distribution of OS/2, and one the
community should be glad to have.
Best regards,
m a r t i n | n
--
Martin Nisshagen - http://www10.brinkster.com/mnx/
The OS/2 Guy
> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
> > "Bob St.John" wrote:
> >
> > > Shoot .. last I looked there were 935 subscribers to the eCS Yahoo groups
> > > mail list. That is certainly a fraction of the total users.
> > >
> > > Don't take "Tim Martin" too seriously. He's just funnin',
> >
> > No he aint. And you can't come up with 935 subscribers either.
>
> Sure you are ... no other explanation suits how silly you have become.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eCamStation/members
Sockpuppets. Silly little sockpuppets. You can do that with private
forums - or have you forgotten how many of Serenity's sockpuppets
have been exposed? (Your desperation for publicity is showing Boob.)
The OS/2 Guy
> In article <3D56F9C8...@netlabs.org>, usb...@netlabs.org says...
> > > People who buy their product and want to complain would like to
> > > return it to the store/maker. St. John hides in his garage now and
> > > runs to the newsgroups trumpeting the fact that he can't afford
> > > a storefront.
> > >
> > Didn't apple start out in a garage? And what about HP? I think the
> > recently did run an Add just showing that garage.
> > Hmm looks to me that many success stories in the IT world started
> > in garages. ;)
>
> Well, there was that little company in Texas that started out in a dorm
> room where the founder was building machines for his buddies.
Mike wasn't selling a scam either. Quite a difference from taking the most
powerful home desktop operating system and wrapping a bunch of free
applications together and calling it "Warp 5". In California we call that
false advertising, a bona-fide scam, perpetuated by two con artists out
of New Jersey.
After two years of constant misuse of the newsgroups to promote their
folly product, their claims of 'thousands' of eCS consumers and 'many
large' Enterprise customers, Serenity Systems can't afford a lousy $40
Internet banner ad, can't pay a lousy minimum wage employee nor
fork over the monthly rent on a teeny little commercial office they can
call a business 'storefront'. Those are the facts.
Nick Knight
More info on [FUD4] and what it means can be found in
the TM FAQ at: http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/#FUD4
In <3D57C353...@WarpCity.com>, on 08/12/2002
at 07:16 AM, The OS/2 Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> said:
>their claims of 'thousands'
Wow. One thing we know for sure is that Tim knows how to exagerate his
own numbers! Just remember his massively overbloat web-use statistics and
the advent of the "Tim Factor" (varies, but in this case proved to be x20,
after silly left his user logs for us to see).
I suppose someone who pumps up his own statistics with hot air, and
L-o-t-s of it, can tend to be a little paranoid about others' numbers.
But as the alleged "sock puppets" start to ask questions and comment at an
accelerated rate, it sort of disproves those silly voices in his head.
eCS seems to have a pretty solid and well-founded user base to me ...
that's why I added myself to the mix!
Hmmmm. Invisible users proven to be made up vs. Vocal, visible (read:
real) users ... I wonder which one I would believe more? Duh.
eCS is the best $140 "investment" I've made in quite awhile. Particularly
after looking at my latest mutual fund statements :)
To read more about TM's imagination when it comes to his own web
statistics, which forms the basis for his paranoia and suspicion, please
see the TM FAQ:
Nick
Brad BARCLAY
> No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
> Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
>
> You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
> storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
> Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
Not that I'd like to _help_ TM at all, but IBM does have storefronts
here in Canada, called "IBM|Store". It's pretty much your typical
computer store, but with more IBM products. AFAIK, you can order pretty
much anything with an IBM part number from them (although in this case,
they probably don't actually have them on a rack somewhere).
Admittedly, I haven't actually tried doing this -- they may just tell
you to call the IBM 1-800 number. But still, IBM Canada at least does
indeed have storefronts.
Brad BARCLAY
The OS/2 Guy
> M. Kiewitz wrote:
> > No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
> > Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
> >
> > You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
> > storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
> > Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
>
> Not that I'd like to _help_ TM at all, but IBM does have storefronts
Of course IBM has storefronts. IBM is a reputable business.
Serenity Systems, otoh, is not reputable at all. They can't even afford
to run a 30-second television ad, to pay the salary of a minimum waged
janitor to clean a tiny commercial office storefront they can't afford.
Thanks for the confirmation Brad. You done good, boy.
Brad BARCLAY
> Of course IBM has storefronts. IBM is a reputable business.
>
> Serenity Systems, otoh, is not reputable at all. They can't even afford
> to run a 30-second television ad, to pay the salary of a minimum waged
> janitor to clean a tiny commercial office storefront they can't afford.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation Brad. You done good, boy.
Thanks. Now maybe you can tell us where your store-front is? After
all, if WarpCity is a reputable business, you must have one, right?
Don't bother patronizing me. Truth is my only motive. Not that I
would expect you to understand that.
Brad BARCLAY
The OS/2 Guy
Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems is a piss-poor hidden-in
the-basement operation run by two scam artists whose claims of
'thousands' of eCS consumers are as ridiculous as their folly
problematic eCS product - useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
When you sell a product - YES, a product you ship to consumers
in a package you design that holds a piece of copyrighted
software you burn to CD and you claim is being sold to 'thousands'
of people - you should be able to come up with enough money to
rent a piddly commercial office storefront to give yourself some
kind of credibility. After all, IBM does it and Serenity Systems is
using IBM's product as the basis for their own product's existence.
IBM has credibility, respect and is admired by many.
Yet Serenity Systems has no such storefront, can't afford to pay
a lousy minimum wage salary to a dimwitted blond receptionist
who needs white-out to hide that damn little pointy arrow on the
computer screen. Poor Serenity, they can't find enough pennies
in the penny jar to buy a pathetic "we made it ourselves"
non-animated banner ad to run on a legitimate NON-OS/2 web site.
Serenity Systems has no credibility much less respect and is the
lockerroom joke around the OS/2 community.
Don't bother patronizing me Brad. The truth will set you free. Not
that I, or anyone else here, would expect you to understand the
concept much less be able to provide such.
Brad BARCLAY
> Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems is a piss-poor hidden-in
> the-basement operation run by two scam artists whose claims of
> 'thousands' of eCS consumers are as ridiculous as their folly
> problematic eCS product - useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
Someone claimed that IBM had no storefronts. I corrected them. That
is the only issue, hence I can hardly be accused of skirting it.
You're the one with an agenda against Serenity Systems, not I. My only
agenda is to ensure that facts are correctly represented, to whit, that
IBM does indeed have storefronts (at least here in Canada).
I wish no part of your insane personal agenda.
> When you sell a product - YES, a product you ship to consumers
> in a package you design that holds a piece of copyrighted
> software you burn to CD and you claim is being sold to 'thousands'
> of people - you should be able to come up with enough money to
> rent a piddly commercial office storefront to give yourself some
> kind of credibility. After all, IBM does it and Serenity Systems is
> using IBM's product as the basis for their own product's existence.
> IBM has credibility, respect and is admired by many.
Microsoft sells more software than anyone else does. Please point out
to me where their storefront is.
Or how about Adobe? Or Corel? Or RedHat? Where are their storefronts?
Or how about WarpCity? Talk about skirting the issue -- you didn't
answer my query as to where WarpCity's storefront is. Please publish
the address here -- next time I'm in that area I'd like to drop by, meet
the staff, and purchase some OS/2 software and services.
> Don't bother patronizing me Brad. The truth will set you free. Not
> that I, or anyone else here, would expect you to understand the
> concept much less be able to provide such.
Apparantly, you don't know the meaning of the word "patronizing".
And please don't deign to speak for "everyone else" here. Nobody here
has elected you to speak on their behalf.
Brad BARCLAY
Wayne
:>And please don't deign to speak for "everyone else" here. Nobody here
:>has elected you to speak on their behalf.
Good heavens, no! Dim speaks for himself and his sock puppets
alone. The rest of us are intelligent enough to think and speak for
ourselves.
Cheers
Wayne
--
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Tokyo, Japan
rond...@ybb.ne.jp
http://www.ej-net.com
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The OS/2 Guy
> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> > Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems is a piss-poor hidden-in
> > the-basement operation run by two scam artists whose claims of
> > 'thousands' of eCS consumers are as ridiculous as their folly
> > problematic eCS product - useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
>
> Someone claimed that IBM had no storefronts. I corrected them. That
> is the only issue, hence I can hardly be accused of skirting it.
Yes you can be accused and you know it.
You know it was Boob St. John who claimed IBM had no storefronts. It was
you who stepped forward to embarrass his ass by pushing it into the water
of the toilet bowl. I thank you for that.
Now you've dug a hole and can't seem to crawl out of it. Admit it. Serenity
Systems is nothing more than a piss-poor hidden-in the-basement two-bit
operation run by two scam artists whose claims of 'thousands' of eCS
consumers are as ridiculous as their folly problematic eCS product
- useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
Thanks for pushing over the domino. You done good Bradley.
leto...@nospam.net
In <G4XwSz3Qd87d-p...@SeXy.Doener>, on 08/12/02
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:20:48 UTC, The OS/2 Guy <OS2...@WarpCity.com> wrote:
>> > Excuse .. this is the issue. The issue you raised. No IBM storefront selling OS/2. What
>> > are we to make of this?
>> No Serenity Systems storefront selling eCS. Serenity Systems can't afford to rent a
>> storefront. Quit trying to skirt the issue here. You claim eCS is going to be the
>> savior of OS/2 yet you don't even have a commercial piece of office space. None.
>> NADA! TREMENDOUS ROAR OF GIGGLES!
>No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront. Quit
>trying to skirt the issue here.
Actually, having offices is an issue that goes to the heart of whether or not
ecs can survive or ever be viable. They need big-time customers to survive.
You can't sell to them from the living-room-corner-office -- and there aren't
any big ecs customers. We were promised a press release weeks ago on one that
was coming, and there has been nothing.
Like or not, ecs is a single user system. It might have some value for someone
who wants the free bundled software and they can make it work. Otherwise, the
evidence that it offers a value over SWC is non-existent. ...Maybe if the
owners spent more time on programming and business development, instead of
hanging out in the OS2 News groups it would be different.
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leto...@nospam.net
08/13/02
>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>> Quit skirting the issue. Serenity Systems is a piss-poor hidden-in
>> the-basement operation run by two scam artists whose claims of
>> 'thousands' of eCS consumers are as ridiculous as their folly
>> problematic eCS product - useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
> Someone claimed that IBM had no storefronts. I corrected them. That is
>the only issue, hence I can hardly be accused of skirting it.
> You're the one with an agenda against Serenity Systems, not I. My only
>agenda is to ensure that facts are correctly represented, to whit, that IBM
>does indeed have storefronts (at least here in Canada).
> I wish no part of your insane personal agenda.
>> When you sell a product - YES, a product you ship to consumers
>> in a package you design that holds a piece of copyrighted
>> software you burn to CD and you claim is being sold to 'thousands'
>> of people - you should be able to come up with enough money to
>> rent a piddly commercial office storefront to give yourself some
>> kind of credibility. After all, IBM does it and Serenity Systems is
>> using IBM's product as the basis for their own product's existence.
>> IBM has credibility, respect and is admired by many.
> Microsoft sells more software than anyone else does. Please point out to
>me where their storefront is.
That (and you Adobe/Corel inclusion bbelow) are a red herring -- and
considering the anti-trust trial against M$, and your employment at IBM, you
of all people ought to know better. So you do have an agenda here too...
> Or how about Adobe? Or Corel? Or RedHat? Where are their storefronts?
> Or how about WarpCity? Talk about skirting the issue -- you didn't answer
>my query as to where WarpCity's storefront is. Please publish the address
>here -- next time I'm in that area I'd like to drop by, meet the staff, and
>purchase some OS/2 software and services.
>> Don't bother patronizing me Brad. The truth will set you free. Not
>> that I, or anyone else here, would expect you to understand the
>> concept much less be able to provide such.
> Apparantly, you don't know the meaning of the word "patronizing".
> And please don't deign to speak for "everyone else" here. Nobody here has
>elected you to speak on their behalf.
>Brad BARCLAY
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Brad BARCLAY
>> Microsoft sells more software than anyone else does. Please point out to
>>me where their storefront is.
>
> That (and you Adobe/Corel inclusion bbelow) are a red herring -- and
> considering the anti-trust trial against M$, and your employment at IBM, you
> of all people ought to know better. So you do have an agenda here too...
You are quite incorrect. I have not been employed by IBM for quite
some time now. As you're probably already aware, IBM doesn't
particularily have much need for OS/2 developers to work on DB2 products
anymore.
And it is hardly a red herring. Tim has repeatedly implied and stated
that established companies, such as IBM, have storefronts, and ergo that
Serenity and StarDock aren't established companies because they lack
storefronts.
Adobe, Corel, RedHat and Microsoft are all established corporations.
They are registered companies that are publicly traded on various
securities exchanges. They have revenues in the hundreds of millions.
By any business account, they are established companies. Yet they don't
have store fronts.
This is in direct violation of the logical tautology setup by Tim
Martin. This gives rise to two possibilities:
1) Hundreds of millions of shareholders worldwide have been fooled, and
Microsoft, Corel, Adobe and RedHat don't exist, make no revenues, and
aren't real companies, or
2) Tim Martin's logic is incorrect.
Based on the evidence, any sane, rational person would probably
subscribe to #2.
I have stated my agenda here -- I am merely here as an agent of factual
truth. Tim Martin is welcome to try to forward whatever agenda he has
against whomever he likes -- I merely request that I be left out of his
personal, irrational jihad.
Brad BARCLAY
Brad BARCLAY
>> Someone claimed that IBM had no storefronts. I corrected them. That
>>is the only issue, hence I can hardly be accused of skirting it.
>
> Yes you can be accused and you know it.
Alright, I'll let you off the hook and modify that: I can't be
_rationally_ accused of anything.
> You know it was Boob St. John who claimed IBM had no storefronts. It was
> you who stepped forward to embarrass his ass by pushing it into the water
> of the toilet bowl. I thank you for that.
In fact, I didn't know that. I didn't follow the whole thread. I only
popped in when the subject line changed, and someone mentioned that IBM
doesn't have any store fronts. If you follow the thread back, you'll
see that the poster in this case was not Mr. St. John. As I recall, it
was Mr. St. John who mentioned that IBM had stores in the US in the 80's.
> Now you've dug a hole and can't seem to crawl out of it. Admit it. Serenity
> Systems is nothing more than a piss-poor hidden-in the-basement two-bit
> operation run by two scam artists whose claims of 'thousands' of eCS
> consumers are as ridiculous as their folly problematic eCS product
> - useless, doesn't work and a rip-off.
I have made no claims to anything about Serenity in this thread. Such
is not my interest. I will not deprieve you of your right to use a fact
against whomever you have a personal vendetta against -- such is your
right. I simply ask that you leave me out of it. I am not your friend,
and I do not support you position.
I simply corrected a factual error. If it works in your favour, fine.
If not, also fine. Hence, there is no hole to crawl out of,
regardless of your claims.
I do not know what sort of facility Serenity is based out of. I have
not visited their headquarters or offices, and I am not one of their
customers. I have no knowledge of their circumstances, and hence have
nothing to admit.
> Thanks for pushing over the domino. You done good Bradley.
I take it all back. My birth certificate and passport clearly states
that my given name is just "Brad". You must be referring to someone else.
I do note, however, that you've continued to ignore my request for you
to post WarpCity's storefront address so I can buy goods and services
from you the next time I'm in your area. Maybe you just accidentially
cropped out that paragraph, so I'll give you another chance at an answer.
Brad BARCLAY
M. Kiewitz
> >No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront. Quit
> >trying to skirt the issue here.
> Actually, having offices is an issue that goes to the heart of whether or not
> ecs can survive or ever be viable. They need big-time customers to survive.
> You can't sell to them from the living-room-corner-office -- and there aren't
> any big ecs customers. We were promised a press release weeks ago on one that
> was coming, and there has been nothing.
You won't sell to them in a "store" either. They will want to get a fine
presentation in e.g. a hotel, so no "store" needed. "Stores" are for
end-users only at least the stores that I know of.
> Like or not, ecs is a single user system. It might have some value for someone
> who wants the free bundled software and they can make it work. Otherwise, the
> evidence that it offers a value over SWC is non-existent. ...Maybe if the
> owners spent more time on programming and business development, instead of
> hanging out in the OS2 News groups it would be different.
I would bet that the "owners (co) of IBM" don't program by themselves as
well. Of course business developent is another matter.
M. Kiewitz
wrote:
> > You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
> > storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
> > Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
> Not that I'd like to _help_ TM at all, but IBM does have storefronts
> here in Canada, called "IBM|Store". It's pretty much your typical
> computer store, but with more IBM products. AFAIK, you can order pretty
> much anything with an IBM part number from them (although in this case,
> they probably don't actually have them on a rack somewhere).
Well, fine. I'm not living in canada nor USA (for god sake) and there
are no "IBM stores" (at least that I know of) here in Germany. IBM
doesn't sell directly to end-users and I'm only able to buy IBM products
in general computer stores, via mail order or from business "partners",
but no so-called "IBM stores". I would bet IBM could afford them, but
they are not interested in end-users (like in the example of OS/2).
> Admittedly, I haven't actually tried doing this -- they may just tell
> you to call the IBM 1-800 number. But still, IBM Canada at least does
> indeed have storefronts.
Probably they got too much money to spend ;)
You should check, if you were able to buy SWC or OS/2 in there. I bet
they don't have it in stock :)
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
>Brad BARCLAY wrote:
>
>> M. Kiewitz wrote:
>> > No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
>> > Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
>> >
>> > You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
>> > storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
>> > Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
>>
>> Not that I'd like to _help_ TM at all, but IBM does have storefronts
>
>Of course IBM has storefronts. IBM is a reputable business.
>
>Warp City, otoh, is not reputable at all. They can't even afford
>to run a 30-second television ad, to pay the salary of a minimum waged
>janitor to clean a tiny commercial office storefront they can't afford.
>
>Thanks for the confirmation Brad. You done good, boy.
>
>Tim Martin, The Liar and Thief
>Visit Warp City Auctions to fall into hands of robbers.
>http://warpcity.com to get more SPAM.
>
>Warp City's Review of Tim Martin: http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/TMFaq/
Martin Nisshagen
: > As to a storefront, perhaps someone you can find an IBM storefront selling OS/2? Or
Nope, but they do have an office outside their owners home/garage! :)
: > an ad by IBM for OS/2. Not a mention on an IBM web site, but an ad promoting use of
: > the product.
:
: Always skit the issue. Run away from the truth. The truth is: Serenity Systems
: is so near bankruptcy they can't afford to pay one employee, can't afford to rent
: a silly little storefront to sell their problematic product and can't afford to pay for
While they might not have the size of business (yet) to afford/motivate any
office (I don't see any need to have any storefront if they sell directly to
their customers) I don't see what that has to do with bankruptcy.
It seems to me like they just choose to spend their small revenues very *good*
and avoid (at this time) the *cost* of having an office or any full time
employees. Seems like a good strategy to *avoid* bankruptcy (if your on small
revenues) IMHO.
As said before, many computer companies (Apple, HP, etc) started on a small
scale and avoided bankruptcy because they didn't spend all their money on
unnecessary things.
leto...@nospam.net
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:56:15 UTC, leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>> >No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront. Quit
>> >trying to skirt the issue here.
>> Actually, having offices is an issue that goes to the heart of whether or not
>> ecs can survive or ever be viable. They need big-time customers to survive.
>> You can't sell to them from the living-room-corner-office -- and there aren't
>> any big ecs customers. We were promised a press release weeks ago on one that
>> was coming, and there has been nothing.
>You won't sell to them in a "store" either. They will want to get a fine
>presentation in e.g. a hotel, so no "store" needed. "Stores" are for
>end-users only at least the stores that I know of.
You (and others) don't understand. Its not a store-front that is important --
Its perception; A two-guy operation trying to sell an operating system who
don't even have an office you can visit -- is not going to impress any
potential client -- especially the ones running critical systems their
business depends on.
>> Like or not, ecs is a single user system. It might have some value for someone
>> who wants the free bundled software and they can make it work. Otherwise, the
>> evidence that it offers a value over SWC is non-existent. ...Maybe if the
>> owners spent more time on programming and business development, instead of
>> hanging out in the OS2 News groups it would be different.
>I would bet that the "owners (co) of IBM" don't program by themselves as
>well. Of course business developent is another matter.
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>leto...@nospam.net wrote:
Your logic is a far off the mark as Tim's. M$ didn't get to be big by great
products. They got there by stealing. Adobe got there by developing and
selling fonts, and then jumping as high as M$ said to. RedHat isn't big and no
one is running their critical business systems on it. Corel was a one-trick
pony that did grow. -- I don't see ecs as a great product, and there is no
perception that its going to be. Its possible to change that, but not the way
they are going. They need to sell the system to large customers -- the IBM
customers -- and none of them are buying.
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You can't buy OS/2 from them. I've asked at the one in Montreal
(it's in the Eaton Centre on de Maisonneuve) and they won't sell you
a copy. You have to order it via phone or online.
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M. Kiewitz
> >You won't sell to them in a "store" either. They will want to get a fine
> >presentation in e.g. a hotel, so no "store" needed. "Stores" are for
> >end-users only at least the stores that I know of.
> You (and others) don't understand.
I'm just argueing on the problem with "Storefronts". I'm understanding
quite well.
> Its not a store-front that is important --
> Its perception; A two-guy operation trying to sell an operating system who
> don't even have an office you can visit -- is not going to impress any
> potential client -- especially the ones running critical systems their
> business depends on.
Of course, but office-space != storefront.
IBM has no storefronts (!) in Germany, but they have office-space...of
course. Serenity has probably none. Why? Because they are not able to
afford that. Of course, IBM is selling and doing much more than Serenity
(or even M$), so it's just bullshiat to compare IBM against Serenity.
And especially bullshiat to argue against Serenity because there are no
"store-fronts". M$ doesn't sell their copies of Windoze here by
themselves as well. So probably the argument should have been
"office-space", not "storefronts".
Herbert Rosenau
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>It sounded as if you were reinstalling eCS, not OS/2. Also, in past
>posts, you have stated that you were running eCS.
You'd proven multiple times that you lacks of ability to read and
understund what is written.
>>
>> The eCS components have nothing to do with LVM and Peer
>> not working or failing or making my volumes disapperar.
>
>I would not have expected that LVM would be any less reliable on eCS
>than OS/2. Yet, it worked very reliably for me on Warp 4.51 which is
>supposedly the same syslevel and codebase as eCS 1.0. I also did not
>have to install fixes or patches to maintain system reliability on Warp
>4.51. I installed fixpack 1 but not out of any need.
You proves again that you can't understund what is written clearly. If
you were able to do so, you would understund that eCS with all its
subsystems is exactly the same binary that is MCP. So if JFS crashes,
it crashes MCP in the same manner, even if you FUDpille that you owns
instead of a full functional brain will not accept that.
>> You
>> really don't know what eCS is, do you? Thought not! The bits
>> that are giving me a headache come from MCP and FP2 which
>> come from IBM. Duh!
>
>I don't know what the cause is of the problems that you are experiencing
>but your experience with eCS 1.0x certainly does not parallel my
>experience with Warp 4.51.
That is because you blusters around about thinks you have never seen,
never heard, never handed with. This is a multiple times proven fact.
Herbert Rosenau
<djoh...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Bob St.John" wrote:
>>
>> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
>>
>> Many claims for additional fixpacks which never came to pass, and so on ...
>>
>> > What you get with Software Choice is a pretty nice updated client
>> > version of OS/2 from IBM that runs well and seems to need far less
>> > maintenance than the Serenityized version of OS/2 they call
>> > "eComStation." I'll take a pass on the Serenity installer and desktop
>> > modifications along with the Serenity "extras" like the Wise something
>> > or other.
>>
>> Ah .. but eCS users get the same software ..
>
>It does not seem so. I would have really expected that eCS v1.0 would
>have had similar performance to Warp 4.51 since they were ostensibly the
>same syslevel and code base. I have been amazed, however, at the
>disparity in performance and reliability between what I personally
>observed with Warp 4.51 and what eCS users were reporting for quite
>mundane things. For example, eCS users not only claim that their USB
>devices will not run with the OS/2 drivers but they also seem to be
>suspicious of anyone who claims otherwise. And look at the "Aggravated
>in Tokyo" guy's report: "...I'm
>not in the mood to fight it [eCS] anymore. It's [eCS] getting too much
>of a pain in the
>rear end to maintain. All these fixes and drivers to be downloaded and
>installed and one breaks one thing or another."
I have been amazed that Dacvid T. Johnson is only another personality
of the same brainless body Tim Martin houses in.
We've seen too many artikles where MCP users are whining that they
were unable to install MCP, getting USB to work, crashes the JFS
partitions and so on and so on. So it is MCP that has the flaws eCS
has too.
YOU had whined that MCP2 will be on a more current codelevel than
eCS/MCP1 - but you are absolutly unable to name one single difference
between eCS 1.0 respective MCP 1 with all current fixes installed and
MCP 2.
So you has proven multiple times that you has absolutly no knowledge
about eCS, MCP1 and MCP2. You are only here to puke FUD against a
system you've never seen from near than 1000 miles.
>Now that is just plain not the experience that I had with Warp 4.51 as I
>mentioned earlier. I remember in the old Warp 4 days that other
>people's experience compared quite well with my own. For example, I
>recall when Fixpack 13 appeared and there were major problems with it
>that people were complaining about. I applied it and experienced pretty
>much the same problems.
Like you whines against eCS, I have heard from somebody who had heard
from somebody that Warp4 FP13 is more stable than MCP2. As you claims
ther is no personal experience needed, only half understund mails from
somebody that has heard frome somebody that has heard from somebody
that has heard something is needed to puke FUD around. I had alived
that MCP was unable to get installed on any of the IBM Thinkpad
T-Series. And agfter poking for hours aroud the install would go on -
but no multimedia device was working.
All my own experience with eCS shows that it gets installed flawless
on any computer of mine (that are currently 9 heavy different ones)
and of the ones of my customers. But you fake of a fake goes to ignore
any of the real many mails one can read of flaws, errors and faults in
MCP, but whines that there are some eCS users had problems to get it
installed.
So you are a FUDster, Liar and Ignorant. That had cost you any
credibility you may ever had.
Herbert Rosenau
wrote:
FUD and SPAM only.
Tim Martin alias Larry Chauvet, alias DTJ is only a FUDster and liar.
http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/TMFaq/
tells the truth abaut him.
Bob St.John
leto...@nospam.net wrote:
> They (Serenity Systems) need to sell the (eCS) system to large customers -- the IBM
> customers -- and none of them are buying.
And this bit of intelligence was gathered .. how? Anyone talking to IBM accounts abou makheir OS/2 purchases?
Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems
Bob St.John
leto...@nospam.net wrote:
> Actually, having offices is an issue that goes to the heart of whether or not
> ecs can survive or ever be viable. They need big-time customers to survive.
> You can't sell to them from the living-room-corner-office -- and there aren't
> any big ecs customers.
To be precise, there are eCS licenses purchased by several enterprise accounts, including
municipal governments.
> We were promised a press release weeks ago on one that was coming, and there has been nothing.
Press release? I'm not sure about a press release. I think we said we would put content in the
"announce" newsgroup. I wouldn't consider doing a press release until second half of September,
when the product is available. Then there will be one or more press releases.
> Like or not, ecs is a single user system. It might have some value for someone
> who wants the free bundled software and they can make it work.
I would accept this as a description of the eCS retail product. eCS is no more a "single user
system" than OS/2. In fact, in the network environment, eCS has some features and advantages
beyond those available in OS/2. And the server component has more support for Windows clients
than is available from WSeb or WSOD.
> Otherwise, the evidence that it offers a value over SWC is non-existent.
This really doesn't make sense .. to parse it, you are saying "If you exclude the value eCS
offers over SWC, it offers no value over SWC".
> ...Maybe if the owners spent more time on programming and business development, instead of
> hanging out in the OS2 News groups it would be different.
The issue here is that you seem pretty unfamiliar with with the programming work being done,
account activity, the business relationships, and the business model.
Serenity System has applications and technology which are exclusive to our products and of value
to large accounts. But there is more than one way to "get into" those accounts. Rather than
initiate a new relationship, it's very effective to utilize an existing relationship. That is,
work with the group which is providing services to the account and demonstrate how our products
at value to their work. In some cases, meet with a vendor and demonstrate how our products and
technologies improve the value proposition of their products.
In short, it isn't necessary for Serenity Systems to get into a large account in order for
Serenity Systems' products to get into a large account.
Wes Newell
> In <G4XwSz3Qd87d-p...@SeXy.Doener>, on 08/13/02
> at 09:50 AM, kie...@godisdead.com (M. Kiewitz) said:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:56:15 UTC, leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>> >No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
>>> > Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
>>> Actually, having offices is an issue that goes to the heart of whether
>>> or not ecs can survive or ever be viable. They need big-time customers
>>> to survive. You can't sell to them from the living-room-corner-office
>>> -- and there aren't any big ecs customers. We were promised a press
>>> release weeks ago on one that was coming, and there has been nothing.
>
>>You won't sell to them in a "store" either. They will want to get a fine
>>presentation in e.g. a hotel, so no "store" needed. "Stores" are for
>>end-users only at least the stores that I know of.
>
> You (and others) don't understand. Its not a store-front that is
> important -- Its perception; A two-guy operation trying to sell an
> operating system who don't even have an office you can visit -- is not
> going to impress any potential client -- especially the ones running
> critical systems their business depends on.
The point is that ecs customers don't buy ecs from Serenity Systems, but
from their affiliate distributors. These distributors are in the business
of making money. If the product sells, they buy, if not, they don't. A
storefront for Serenity has nothing to do with it. There's probably many
distributors that also don't have storefronts because 99.99% of their
sales come from the web. Commercial storefront property is expensive.
ANY commericial property is expensive. So why waste money on it just for
appearances when no one sees it anyway. Smart ecommerce people have
warehouse barns out of the cities where property and taxes are cheap. At
least they can impress the cows.:-)
Brad BARCLAY
Now who's bringing up the red herring?
It's immaterial wether or not you like the products of these companies.
They are, in fact, software companies that are incorporated in their
respective countries, and are traded publicly on open market securities
exchanges. They are, by all legal and rational standards, software
companies.
And they don't have storefronts.
What you or I think of their products is completely immaterial. The
only material facts are that a) these are software companies, and b)
they do not own or manage storefront properties. Hence Tim's claim that
Serenity isn't a serious software company because it doesn't have a
storefront holds no basis in logic.
And your arguments that Microsoft software is crap, that Adobe got rich
selling fonts, or that Corel is a "one trick pony" is immaterial,
regardless of their truth (or lack thereof). They are software
companies that don't have storefronts -- and that is all that matters.
Brad BARCLAY
Brad BARCLAY
> You can't buy OS/2 from them. I've asked at the one in Montreal
> (it's in the Eaton Centre on de Maisonneuve) and they won't sell you
> a copy. You have to order it via phone or online.
Thanks for that bit of info, Jack. As I've mentioned, I haven't tried
ordering anything from them, so I wasn't sure.
So what it comes down to is that in Canada, IBM has storefronts, which
are completely useless to OS/2 users, as they don't sell any OS/2
products :) .
Brad BARCLAY
Martin Nisshagen
: > Its not a store-front that is important --
: > Its perception; A two-guy operation trying to sell an operating system who
: > don't even have an office you can visit -- is not going to impress any
: > potential client -- especially the ones running critical systems their
: > business depends on.
:
: Of course, but office-space != storefront.
: IBM has no storefronts (!) in Germany, but they have office-space...of
: course. Serenity has probably none. Why? Because they are not able to
: afford that. Of course, IBM is selling and doing much more than Serenity
Exactly.
: "store-fronts". M$ doesn't sell their copies of Windoze here by
: themselves as well. So probably the argument should have been
: "office-space", not "storefronts".
<AOL>
My point as well.
Andrew J. Brehm
> M. Kiewitz wrote:
> > No IBM storefront selling SWC. IBM can't afford to rent a storefront.
> > Quit trying to skirt the issue here.
> >
> > You see what this is (as well) - FUD. Timmie, tell me one address of a
> > storefront, where one can actually go and BUY SWC. You will find none.
> > Nada. You will have to order via Internet or phone.
>
> Not that I'd like to _help_ TM at all, but IBM does have storefronts
> here in Canada, called "IBM|Store". It's pretty much your typical
> computer store, but with more IBM products. AFAIK, you can order pretty
> much anything with an IBM part number from them (although in this case,
> they probably don't actually have them on a rack somewhere).
>
Incidentally, as Tim Martin always demonstrates it IS possible to run an
honest business without a storefront, but only if the people who run it
remain a secret.
--
Andrew J. Brehm
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
Jack Troughton
Yep, pretty much. The IBM Store is basically a front for PC Co. ...
and we all know how well those guys like OS/2.
The OS/2 Guy
> The point is that ecs customers don't buy ecs from Serenity Systems,
Exactly. By avoiding this Serenity Systems keeps an arm's distance
from customers who seek legal repraisal for poor product, service
and misnomer marketing scams. Serenity and their distributors play
the eCS game the same way Enron and their energy affiliates played
the Enron game.
Enron claims they aren't responsible for the poor products, poor
services, or price gouging of their affiliates/distributors. In return,
the affiliates/distributors claim they aren't responsible for Enron's
piss poor products, poor services or price gouging. The end result?
The consumer gets screwed both ways while Serenity and their
affiliates/distributors grin with glee each time they scam a new
consumer. They laugh each and every time they get away with
running a free commercial advertisement disguised as a public
message in these newsgroups. And you can bet your last dollar
it will be Serenity officials who blame IBM for their failure and
for the loss to eCS consumers.
Serenity/Distributors = Enron/Affiliates
Same game. It is amazing how many people still defend Enron
to this day - including that Dick and Bush still in the White House.
All those who believed in Enron either through empolyment or
service lost their financial futures and Serenity's owners, sorry,
Enron's Executives, keep building their multi-million dollar homes
and pretending what they did was entirely proper.
When the eCS shit hits the fan those of us who stood here day
in and day out warning the eCS naive will wag a finger and say
"we told you so". That is little comfort the the eCS consumer
sitting with a failed system, software they can't use any where
else and their entire eCS investment swirling down the crapper.
It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
The entire OS/2 community will pay a hefty price for allowing
Serenity to scam so many people by sitting back and doing nothing
to stop it. Look around. There are still fanatics who defend Brad
Wardell and believe the ass 'contributed' to the OS/2 community.
Nothing but nothing could be further from the truth. Wardell's
aim was to drag as many OS/2/Stardock invested customers to
Microsoft. He needed those OS/2 customers to follow him knowing
full well without them, his Stardock Windows products would be
lost in the din of Microsoft world. He went to Microsoft and said
"Look here, look at what I brought you - thousands of OS/2 users
ripe for the Microsoft operating system..."
Serenity will most assuredly do the very same thing and don't you
dare believe they won't. Greed is an awful thing.
Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit Warp City Auctions!
http://warpcity.com
Warp City's Review of eCS: http://www.warpcity.com/Buy_SWC%21.html
David H. McCoy
> It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
> from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
> so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
> from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
>
That's right. IBM's pulling back had nothing to do with it. Hardware
vendors lack of support had nothing to do with it. Annoying advocates
had nothing to do with it.
Just Stardock.
--
--------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
--------------------------------------
The OS/2 Guy
> leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> > We were promised a press release weeks ago on one that was coming, and there has been nothing.
>
> Press release? I'm not sure about a press release. I think we said we would put content in the
> "announce" newsgroup.
LOL! Jesus, do you have absolutely no shame or business ethics? I think we are
all very tired of your constant never ending lies. Go away - just go away. Go sit
in your own eCS newsgroups and lie to those people some more. We're just damn
tired of you, eCS, Cheung and every ridiculous eCS distributor claiming to be one.
The OS/2 Guy
> In article <3D59A8B2...@WarpCity.com>, OS2...@WarpCity.com says...
> > It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
> > from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
> > so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
> > from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
> >
>
> That's right. IBM's pulling back had nothing to do with it. Hardware
> vendors lack of support had nothing to do with it. Annoying advocates
> had nothing to do with it.
>
> Just Stardock.
See what I mean? David McCoy FORMERLY Ominor. He adored Brad
Wardell and he walked away from OS/2.
Thanks David for speaking up. You made my point precisely.
David H. McCoy
> "David H. McCoy" wrote:
>
> > In article <3D59A8B2...@WarpCity.com>, OS2...@WarpCity.com says...
> > > It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
> > > from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
> > > so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
> > > from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
> > >
> >
> > That's right. IBM's pulling back had nothing to do with it. Hardware
> > vendors lack of support had nothing to do with it. Annoying advocates
> > had nothing to do with it.
> >
> > Just Stardock.
>
> See what I mean? David McCoy FORMERLY Ominor. He adored Brad
> Wardell and he walked away from OS/2.
>
> Thanks David for speaking up. You made my point precisely.
>
I...loved Brad. He was my life...my all. I begged Tim Martin to allow my
zip disk to work properly, begged in to allow me to run Oracle and
Weblogic on my machine. Begged him to allow me to use two monitors on my
machine. If only he could do those things and more...
He failed.
Brad offered salvation. Praise him!!
Brad Wardell
"David H. McCoy" <fa...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17c37f9e2...@news.east.cox.net...
I thought we were just paid off by "Billy Boy" at "Micro$oft" and that's why
we left.
Brad
David H. McCoy
bwar...@getridofthispart.stardock.com says...
Shhhhh! I don't want THESE guys to know about my millionaire status.
Don Hills
"Brad Wardell" <bwar...@getridofthispart.stardock.com> wrote:
>
>I thought we were just paid off by "Billy Boy" at "Micro$oft" and that's why
>we left.
Ah! So you admit it at last! Thanks to The OS/2 Guy, tireless seeker after
the truth.
--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
software and decent hardware support."
Wayne
:>In article <F_i69.56033$Ce.28...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
:>"Brad Wardell" <bwar...@getridofthispart.stardock.com> wrote:
:>>
:>>I thought we were just paid off by "Billy Boy" at "Micro$oft" and that's why
:>>we left.
:>
:>Ah! So you admit it at last! Thanks to The OS/2 Guy, tireless seeker after
:>the truth.
:>
The OS/2 dumbass, AKA Dim Martian, AKA Larry Shoveit, etc, wouldn't
know the truth if it fell out of the sky and bit him on the rear end!
Cheers
Wayne
leto...@nospam.net
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the big customers are?
-----------------------------------------------------------
leto...@together.net
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leto...@nospam.net
>leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>> They (Serenity Systems) need to sell the (eCS) system to large customers -- the IBM
>> customers -- and none of them are buying.
>And this bit of intelligence was gathered .. how? Anyone talking to IBM
>accounts abou makheir OS/2 purchases?
Don't play games. You haven't announced any because you don't have any. Unless
you want to name your big-time customers now.
-----------------------------------------------------------
leto...@together.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
Brad Wardell
> In article <3D59A8B2...@WarpCity.com>, OS2...@WarpCity.com says...
> > It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
> > from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
> > so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
> > from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
> >
>
> That's right. IBM's pulling back had nothing to do with it. Hardware
> vendors lack of support had nothing to do with it. Annoying advocates
> had nothing to do with it.
>
> Just Stardock.
Oh the power! My head spins. One day I'm a failed business guy, next day I'm
the lord god of OS/2 who can single handledly destroy OS/2.
Brad
David H. McCoy
bwar...@getridofthispart.stardock.com says...
>
> "David H. McCoy" <fa...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.17c377fe5...@news.east.cox.net...
> > In article <3D59A8B2...@WarpCity.com>, OS2...@WarpCity.com says...
> > > It is more than likely that angry eCS consumer will walk away
> > > from OS/2 altogether - fed up with being scammed by another
> > > so-called OS/2 vendor. Thousands of OS/2 users walked away
> > > from OS/2 when Wardell/Stardock finished with them.
> > >
> >
> > That's right. IBM's pulling back had nothing to do with it. Hardware
> > vendors lack of support had nothing to do with it. Annoying advocates
> > had nothing to do with it.
> >
> > Just Stardock.
>
> Oh the power! My head spins. One day I'm a failed business guy, next day I'm
> the lord god of OS/2 who can single handledly destroy OS/2.
>
> Brad
>
Indeed. If you truly did hold the will of millions in your hands, why
waste you time writing software? Seems to me you could "erase" any and
all who stand in your way.
Unless...only the most fervent, strong-willed visionaries can see you
for what you are and stand, flaming OS/2 box in hand, as a shield
between you and the sheep who race feverishly into the forests of
operating system ignorance.
Of course! It is so clear. If you are the *anti*-Christ, then Tim Martin
*must* be....well, you know...Him.
Wes Newell
> In <3D592F08...@Augustmail.com>, on 08/13/02
> at 04:08 PM, "Bob St.John" <Sere...@Augustmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>>leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>> They (Serenity Systems) need to sell the (eCS) system to large
>>> customers -- the IBM customers -- and none of them are buying.
>
>>And this bit of intelligence was gathered .. how? Anyone talking to IBM
>>accounts abou makheir OS/2 purchases?
>
> Don't play games. You haven't announced any because you don't have any.
> Unless you want to name your big-time customers now.
And just why would he want to devulge that info here so the whole world,
not to mention his competition, can see. Anyone disclosing confidential
information like this would be fired from most companies.