Another terms question

[Tetragrammaton]

Following the discussion about ex-nihiled mummies,
and the difference between "play" a card and "use" a card terminology,
i'm wondering now about the "gain" blood / life term, and what it implies:

under ex-nihilo, a vamp cannot "gain" blood,
so palatial estate, giants blood, the rack, hunting grounds and other "gain
blood" effect are out.

However, some cards (like Blood dolls, Leonardo Mortician) "move" a blood
on a vampire, so:
the vampire is cosidered to have "gained" it, or "move a blood" effect
isn't under the "no gain" restriction of ex-nihilo (and similar effect?).

Imho, "move blood" should be separate from "gain blood",
much like under a Brainwash "transfer" blood on an uncontrolled vamp is
forbidden,
but a "move" blood (by a zillah's valley) is allowed.

Your opinion ?

Emiliano, prince of Rome

[LSJ]

Tetragrammaton wrote:
>
> Following the discussion about ex-nihiled mummies,
> and the difference between "play" a card and "use" a card terminology,
> i'm wondering now about the "gain" blood / life term, and what it implies:

It covers everying that results in the vampire having more blood than it
did immediately before.

> under ex-nihilo, a vamp cannot "gain" blood,
> so palatial estate, giants blood, the rack, hunting grounds and other "gain
> blood" effect are out.
>
> However, some cards (like Blood dolls, Leonardo Mortician) "move" a blood
> on a vampire, so:
> the vampire is cosidered to have "gained" it, or "move a blood" effect
> isn't under the "no gain" restriction of ex-nihilo (and similar effect?).

If you move a blood to a vampire with 4, then the result is that he has 5.
This is a gain of 1 for the vampire.

Any blood moved to the vampire with the "no-gain" restriction would be moved
to the blood bank.

> Imho, "move blood" should be separate from "gain blood",
> much like under a Brainwash "transfer" blood on an uncontrolled vamp is
> forbidden,
> but a "move" blood (by a zillah's valley) is allowed.

Brainwash restricts tranfers, which are well-defined in the rules.
"gain" has no special definition in the rules, so the standard English
definition is used.

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