wheel group
kowo...@my-deja.com
wheel?
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Before you buy.
Tim Shoppa
>
> What is the origin of the wheel group in BSD UNIX? Why was it named
> wheel?
From the Jargon file:
wheel bit n.
A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some
restricted operation on a timesharing system, such as read or
write any file on the system regardless of protections, change
or look at any address in the running monitor, crash or reload
the system, and kill or create jobs and user accounts. The term
was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
over to TOPS-20, XEROX-IFS, and others. The state of
being in a privileged logon is sometimes called `wheel mode'.
This term entered the Unix culture from TWENEX in the
mid-1980s and has been gaining popularity there (esp. at
university sites)
And
wheel n.
[from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] A person who
has an active wheel bit. "We need to find a wheel to unwedge
the hung tape drives." (See wedged, sense 1.) The traditional
name of security group zero in BSD (to which the major
system-internal users like root belong) is `wheel'. Some
vendors have expanded on this usage, modifying Unix so that
only members of group `wheel' can go root.
Tim.
jmfb...@aol.com
Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>kowo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> What is the origin of the wheel group in BSD UNIX? Why was it named
>> wheel?
>
>From the Jargon file:
>
> wheel bit n.
>
> A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some
> restricted operation on a timesharing system, such as read or
> write any file on the system regardless of protections, change
> or look at any address in the running monitor, crash or reload
> the system, and kill or create jobs and user accounts. The term
> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
> over to TOPS-20, XEROX-IFS, and others. The state of
> being in a privileged logon is sometimes called `wheel mode'.
> This term entered the Unix culture from TWENEX in the
> mid-1980s and has been gaining popularity there (esp. at
> university sites)
we copied it from the -20.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
Kragen Sitaker
>In article <39A6D6E2...@trailing-edge.com>,
> Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>>kowo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>From the Jargon file:
>> wheel bit n.
>>
>> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
>we copied it from the -20.
Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
--
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Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves
possess.
-- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]
Tim Shoppa
>
> In article <8o8m1o$t1q$7...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >In article <39A6D6E2...@trailing-edge.com>,
> > Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> >>kowo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >>From the Jargon file:
> >> wheel bit n.
> >>
> >> . . . The term
> >> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
> >> over to TOPS-20, . . .
> >I could swear that TOPS10 had wheel. And I don't think
> >we copied it from the -20.
>
> Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
> TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
You're a bit confused about the history of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20,
Kragen. To quote from Dan Murphy's "Origins and Development of
TOPS-20" ( http://www.opost.com/dlm/tenex/hbook.html ):
TOPS-20 was first announced as a DEC product and shipped in
January, 1976. Development had started in 1973 based on
TENEX[1], an operating system for the PDP-10 then in use at a
number of research installations around the country. Many
factors were involved in the decision to start TOPS-20
development, but primarily, DEC wanted a new virtual memory
operating system for the KL10 processor then in the early stages
of development. Although much was added and changed as
TENEX became TOPS-20 from 1973 to 1976, most of its
architecture remained as it was designed in 1969 at Bolt
Beranek & Newman Inc. (BBN) in Cambridge.
(Reference 1 is to "TENEX, a Paged Time Sharing System for the
PDP-10". Daniel G. Bobrow, et al. CACM, Vol 15 No 3, March 1972.)
That said, if you look at the later sources to TOPS-10 (see the archives
at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ ) you do see occasional
references to "wheel bit" and "wheel privs" there (though not nearly
as many as you do in the TOPS-20 sources also there.) I would guess
this was some cross-pollination of terminology.
Tim.
Ric Werme
>In article <8o8m1o$t1q$7...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
>>> over to TOPS-20, . . .
>>I could swear that TOPS10 had wheel. And I don't think
>>we copied it from the -20.
>Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
>TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
I don't think she ever knew that. :-)
Actually, I'm feeling a bit chagrined myself. I've forgotten most of the
privilege stuff from Tops-10 and Tops-20. Even ten years ago I saw someone's
old license plate that was JACCT and had forgotten that is the privilege
flag on a Tops-10 job. Oh well, too much Unix hacking. That and security
was never my strong suit.
TOPS-10 was called simply the Monitor and I don't think DEC ever bought it.
Not a good idea to mix -10 and -20 folklore when BAH's around!
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Kragen Sitaker
Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>Kragen Sitaker wrote:
>> Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
>> TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
>
>Kragen.
OK, thanks for the correction. Sorry to be so unjustifiably arrogant.
I was confused.
jmfb...@aol.com
kra...@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) wrote:
>In article <8o8m1o$t1q$7...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>>>kowo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>From the Jargon file:
>>> wheel bit n.
>>>
>>> . . . The term
>>> over to TOPS-20, . . .
>>I could swear that TOPS10 had wheel. And I don't think
>>we copied it from the -20.
>
>TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
Grrrrr....[the den mother readies her virtual baseball bat and ...]
jmfb...@aol.com
Ric Werme <we...@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:
>kra...@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) writes:
>
>>In article <8o8m1o$t1q$7...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
>>>> over to TOPS-20, . . .
>>>I could swear that TOPS10 had wheel. And I don't think
>>>we copied it from the -20.
>
>>Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
>>TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
>
>I don't think she ever knew that. :-)
>
>Actually, I'm feeling a bit chagrined myself. I've forgotten
>most of the privilege stuff from Tops-10 and Tops-20. Even
>ten years ago I saw someone's
>old license plate that was JACCT and had forgotten that is
>the privilege flag on a Tops-10 job.
Right. And that bit was set in ACCT.SYS (now I'm not sure
that's the correct spelling of the file) on a per PPN basis.
When a PPN logged in and that bit was set, it allowed the
user to sorta change his ppn and allow certain [1,2]
privileges. [1,2] was the operators' PPN and could
do a whole lot of things on a system that would make
current site managers just quake in their boots today :-).
Later on, we (monitor development group) implemented a local
patch and yet another bit so that we could isolate the people
who were allowed to actually change their ppn to [1,2] and
do all those dangerous things. There were some things that
wheel wouldn't allow you to do and most of the stuff we had
to do had to have full access privs of [1,2]. But now I
can't remember what wasn't allowed via wheel.
>Oh well, too much Unix hacking. That and security
>was never my strong suit.
You had to be pretty good to stay ahead of those kiddies :-).
>
>TOPS-10 was called simply the Monitor and I don't think
>DEC ever bought it.
Well, not really. The meaning changed over the years as
we started supporting more code and selling more options.
>Not a good idea to mix -10 and -20 folklore when BAH's around!
Heh, heh, heh. :-) Notice that I didn't swing my virtual bat
at him.
But I really don't remember the format of ACCT.SYS pre-Level D
days. I think when logging into ppn [1,1] went away, the
wheel bit came into being. But I don't remember which release.
hg/jb
just bob
jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <nwiq5.13651$pu4.1...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,
> Ric Werme <we...@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:
> >kra...@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) writes:
> >
> >>In article <8o8m1o$t1q$7...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> was invented on the TENEX operating system, and carried
> >>>> over to TOPS-20, . . .
> >>>I could swear that TOPS10 had wheel. And I don't think
> >>>we copied it from the -20.
> >
> >>Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
> >>TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
> >
> >I don't think she ever knew that. :-)
> >
> >Actually, I'm feeling a bit chagrined myself. I've forgotten
> >most of the privilege stuff from Tops-10 and Tops-20. Even
> >ten years ago I saw someone's
> >old license plate that was JACCT and had forgotten that is
> >the privilege flag on a Tops-10 job.
>
> Right. And that bit was set in ACCT.SYS (now I'm not sure
> that's the correct spelling of the file) on a per PPN basis.
> When a PPN logged in and that bit was set, it allowed the
> user to sorta change his ppn and allow certain [1,2]
> privileges. [1,2] was the operators' PPN and could
> do a whole lot of things on a system that would make
> current site managers just quake in their boots today :-).
>
> Later on, we (monitor development group) implemented a local
> patch and yet another bit so that we could isolate the people
> who were allowed to actually change their ppn to [1,2] and
> do all those dangerous things. There were some things that
> wheel wouldn't allow you to do and most of the stuff we had
> to do had to have full access privs of [1,2]. But now I
> can't remember what wasn't allowed via wheel.
>
> >Oh well, too much Unix hacking. That and security
> >was never my strong suit.
>
> You had to be pretty good to stay ahead of those kiddies :-).
>
> >
> >TOPS-10 was called simply the Monitor and I don't think
> >DEC ever bought it.
>
> Well, not really. The meaning changed over the years as
> we started supporting more code and selling more options.
>
> >Not a good idea to mix -10 and -20 folklore when BAH's around!
>
Eric Smith
> Right, that's what the entry said. You did know TOPS-10 was called
> TENEX before DEC bought it, right?
No, TOPS-20 evolved from TENEX, which was developed by BBN (on a KA10
with a custom pager).
TOPS-10 evolved from the PDP-10 Monitor, which was written in-house.
jmfb...@aol.com
And Kragen's comment implies (if he read it correctly) that
there exists some documentation that has it fucked up.
Kragen Sitaker
My comment merely implies that I posted with greater confidence than my
knowledge warranted.
I went back and checked the Jargon File, which is where I thought I
read that, and of course I was wrong. JARGON says BBN developed TENEX,
and DEC developed TOPS-20 from it --- just as folks here said.
Lately I've been seeing office goods (trashcans, CD racks, etc.)
apparently made by "TENEX", and large equipment (cherry-pickers
especially) labeled "teco". Today I saw an ad in the city bus for some
service called "Telnet" --- having to do with telephones. And I
understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
fire extinguishers.
Have other people seen such recycling?
lars brinkhoff
> Lately I've been seeing office goods (trashcans, CD racks, etc.)
> apparently made by "TENEX", and large equipment (cherry-pickers
> especially) labeled "teco". Today I saw an ad in the city bus for some
> service called "Telnet" --- having to do with telephones. And I
> understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
> fire extinguishers.
>
> Have other people seen such recycling?
I have a UNIX marker pen.
jmfb...@aol.com
I have a UNIX barf bag that JMF acquired sometime during
his development.
lars brinkhoff
> In article <851yz7m...@junk.nocrew.org>,
> lars brinkhoff <la...@nocrew.org> wrote:
> his development.
I have that too, included with the UNIX Haters Handbook. But that
"UNIX" refers to the operating system, right? In the case of the
fire extinguishers and the markern pen, the UNIX name has been
recycled.
Alexandre Pechtchanski
>jmfb...@aol.com writes:
>> In article <851yz7m...@junk.nocrew.org>,
>> lars brinkhoff <la...@nocrew.org> wrote:
>> I have a UNIX barf bag that JMF acquired sometime during
>> his development.
>
>I have that too, included with the UNIX Haters Handbook. But that
>"UNIX" refers to the operating system, right? In the case of the
>fire extinguishers and the markern pen, the UNIX name has been
>recycled.
I can't believe no one yet mentioned "Nothing sucks like a VAX" (and no, it is
not a comment on VAX - it is a slogan of VAX vacuum cleaners).
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Peter Corlett
[...]
> I can't believe no one yet mentioned "Nothing sucks like a VAX" (and no,
> it is not a comment on VAX - it is a slogan of VAX vacuum cleaners).
s/VAX/Electrolux/g
Roland Hutchinson
kra...@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) wrote:
> Lately I've been seeing office goods (trashcans, CD racks, etc.)
> apparently made by "TENEX", and large equipment (cherry-pickers
> especially) labeled "teco". Today I saw an ad in the city bus for some
> service called "Telnet" --- having to do with telephones. And I
> understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
> fire extinguishers.
>
> Have other people seen such recycling?
Well, there was the now-legendary "NOTHING SUCKS LIKE A VAX" advertising
campaign for a line of European vacuum cleaners.
(Hm. Sounds like it belongs be in another thread, doesn't it?)
--
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Jim Thomas
lars> I have a UNIX marker pen.
I picked up some UNIX "tupperware(tm)" equivalents at a Daiei in Japan :-)
Dennis Ritchie
Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> ... And I
> understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
> fire extinguishers.
>
> Have other people seen such recycling?
At some point we had a photo of the Spanish fire extinguisher
with the Unix brand, sent by someone.
I've likewise seen (via a newpaper clipping) an ad for an
an Israeli-manufactured (or at least -advertised)
Unix wristwatch.
Also, an ad for Unix modular cabinets, from Britain.
There is also a kind of fridge-storage containers
(like those sold in the US as Tupperware) from Japan.
Apparently by complete coincidence, Noel Hunt sent
a scan of this Unix ad just recently; I put it up at
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/~dmr/unix1image.gif
These four sightings of "unix" things are apparently
completely unrelated to the operating system, but seem
instead to be independent choices of the four letters.
Except for the Japanese one, I didn't save or scan these,
but if others have them in some form, I might have a nice
complement to my "otherlives" page.
As others note, the phenomenon is hardly unprecedented--
I have seen the "nothing sucks like a VAX" observations before.
Dennis
lars brinkhoff
> At some point we had a photo of the Spanish fire extinguisher
> with the Unix brand, sent by someone.
A friend of mine saw this on Gran Canaria:
http://christer.nocrew.org/bilder/resor/gran_canaria_1999/gran_canaria_1999_31.jpg
Karri Kalpio
How about http://gothic.moremagic.com/~karri/unix.gif ? ;-)
From Women's Magazine, probably early 60's...
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Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
> Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> These four sightings of "unix" things are apparently
> completely unrelated to the operating system, but seem
> instead to be independent choices of the four letters.
Around here there are ball-point pens with "UNIX 2001"
engraved. I tried to scan one, but since the letters don't
have a different colour of the surrounding plastic, it is
hard to read it.
> As others note, the phenomenon is hardly unprecedented--
> I have seen the "nothing sucks like a VAX" observations before.
The VIM home page has a reference to a brand of house-cleaning
products which is sold in my country.
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>
> Well, there was the now-legendary "NOTHING SUCKS LIKE A VAX" advertising
> campaign for a line of European vacuum cleaners.
It's amazing how this piece of folklore persist.
I remember quite a few years ago, when I thought this was laid to rest,
but it still goes on.
Basically, when you start to dig into this, noone really have seen such
an ad, and it seems that it was just such a good line that people couldn't
resist it.
It appearantly comes from an ad for Electrolux, which said "Nothing sucks
like Electrolux". That line also makes sense, since it rhymes, and
thus have some kind of a point.
There is a vacuum cleaner brand called VAX, but it seems they never did
ran an ad about how they VAX sucked.
If anyone really can show proof, I'm willing to listen, but otherwise,
can we stop this urban legend?
> (Hm. Sounds like it belongs be in another thread, doesn't it?)
Probably. :-)
Johnny
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jmfb...@aol.com
The VAX (a phonetic spelling of the plural of the shorthand
verbiage of vacuum cleaners) use made sense. I don't see
how a UNIX applies to that other merchandise. This is becoming
a hot button of mine. One can't tell anymore what a company
or piece of gear is based on the name. I recently had notification
from UPS of a package from a company called Professional
Services. I can't begin to tell you what I thought that
was from. So, since I hadn't ordered anything and didn't want
to get on a sleaze mailing list, I ignored the UPS note.
It turns out that the "package" was a registered letter from
a company who arranged doctor appointments for disability
insurance companies. I got screwed anyway.
jmfb...@aol.com
Johnny Billquist <Johnny.B...@netinsight.se> wrote:
>Roland Hutchinson wrote:
>>
>> Well, there was the now-legendary "NOTHING SUCKS LIKE A VAX" advertising
>> campaign for a line of European vacuum cleaners.
>
>It's amazing how this piece of folklore persist.
>I remember quite a few years ago, when I thought this was laid to rest,
>but it still goes on.
>Basically, when you start to dig into this, noone really have seen such
>an ad, and it seems that it was just such a good line that people couldn't
>resist it.
>
>It appearantly comes from an ad for Electrolux, which said "Nothing sucks
>like Electrolux". That line also makes sense, since it rhymes, and
>thus have some kind of a point.
>
>There is a vacuum cleaner brand called VAX, but it seems they never did
>ran an ad about how they VAX sucked.
>
>If anyone really can show proof, I'm willing to listen, but otherwise,
>can we stop this urban legend?
The people producing the vacuum might not have run it as an
ad. However, when we (TOPS10 monitor group) heard about the
lawsuit, the sucking line was used often.
<snip>
Frans
> Kragen Sitaker wrote:
>
> > ... And I
> > understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
> > fire extinguishers.
> >
> > Have other people seen such recycling?
>
> At some point we had a photo of the Spanish fire extinguisher
> with the Unix brand, sent by someone.
Did you know that 'brand' is the Dutch word for 'fire'?
--
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John Winters
It's used in English with that meaning too.
John
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Frans
> >Did you know that 'brand' is the Dutch word for 'fire'?
>
> It's used in English with that meaning too.
Ah, I didn't know that.
Why *does* English have so many different words for the same thing,
anyway.
--
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Jim Saum
<j5u2c12...@pandora.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>, Frans
<fvo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why *does* English have so many different words for the same thing,
>anyway.
The Anglo-Saxon vocabulary was augmented greatly when the Normans
arrived in Britain in the 11th century. Also, English has never been
bashful about adopting foreign words; there is no Academie Anglaise
trying to purify the language by spurning imports.
- Jim Saum
Jorgen Grahn
>
>
>Kragen Sitaker wrote:
>
>> ... And I
>> understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
>> fire extinguishers.
>>
>> Have other people seen such recycling?
>
>These four sightings of "unix" things are apparently
>completely unrelated to the operating system, but seem
>instead to be independent choices of the four letters.
I don't know... when the pens that Lars and Rui Pedro mention have names
like "UNIX Revolution" (a roller pen) and "UNIX Professional" (a lead
pencil), you have to wonder... :-)
The people who make the pens even have a home page.
From http://www.carioca.it/english/prodotti/frameprod.htm :
UNIX LINE
This is the UNIVERSAL line particularly studied for an adult public and
suitable for office. This line includes different writing instruments: the
lead pencils, the automatic pencils, the ball point pens, the rollerpens,
the markers, the white-boards and also several products completely new on
the world market. All UNIX models are of high quality and have been created
after many years of experience, search and development.
I believe that last sentence will go into my .sig.
/Jorgen
P.S. I have several of these pens, and they don't work very well.
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barnacle
Three or four major invasions in the last couple of thousand years...it's a
bit like Ahnk-Morpork here, the invaders come in, and a few weeks later
they're wondering why they have no money but lots of tacky souvenirs - and we
keep the bits of their language we like!
Neil
(Oh, and the English national dish is now apperently curry!)
--
barnacle
Tim Shoppa
So saying "Unix brand fire extinguisher" is sort-of like saying
"The La Brea tar pits"?
Tim.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> (Oh, and the English national dish is now apperently curry!)
Okay, I'll bite.
Yes, the English palate is now well used to curry. Not necessarily
traditional Indian dishes, but British corruptions of the traditional
dishes. It's worth noting that most curry houses use commercial sauces
rather than make their own and add meat and veg as required.
I used to live five minutes' walk from the Ladypool Road in Birmingham where
Balti curries were invented, and I spent many a merry evening in the curry
houses there. I found a Balti recipe in a cookbook, and since an "official"
Balti involves a ridiculous amount of preparation and various pastes, I
simplified the recipe for my own uses and I can now knock one up within 20
minutes with a negligible loss in flavour, courtesy of my "magic" homemade
spice mix.
Now I would normally consider this to be a horrible corruption of something
that was already rather British, but while in the pub this evening having a
pint of fizzy[1], I was chatting to an Indian friend who seemed to want me
to make one for her. This is certainly a curious inversion of what I'd
normally expect to be the norm.
[0] I understand that this particular "tradition" dates from 1983 or so. To
keep on topic, that's when I first got hooked on computers with my ZX81
(which still works).
[1] I now live in London, land of pretentious lager and other tasteless
drinks. They apparently haven't heard of Real Ale down here, unlike the
rest of the UK. I'd kill for a decent pint.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> I don't know... when the pens that Lars and Rui Pedro mention have names
> like "UNIX Revolution" (a roller pen) and "UNIX Professional" (a lead
> pencil), you have to wonder... :-)
I've got a "Unix Evident", which is a yellow highligter pen that a friend
gave me because he thought the name was amusing. It claims to be made in
Italy. Perhaps somebody could do a trademark search there?
Charlie Gibbs
(Jim Saum) writes:
I've heard the English language described as a "kleptolect".
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lars brinkhoff
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:38:04 +0000, Dennis Ritchie <d...@bell-labs.com> wrote:
> >These four sightings of "unix" things are apparently
> >completely unrelated to the operating system, but seem
> >instead to be independent choices of the four letters.
>
> I don't know... when the pens that Lars and Rui Pedro mention have names
> like "UNIX Revolution" (a roller pen) and "UNIX Professional" (a lead
> pencil), you have to wonder... :-)
Here are some pictures:
http://lars.nocrew.org/unix_line_1.jpg
http://lars.nocrew.org/unix_line_2.jpg
Ian Stirling
>> >Did you know that 'brand' is the Dutch word for 'fire'?
>>
>> It's used in English with that meaning too.
>Ah, I didn't know that.
(Am from scotland)
I've never heard it used in the straight sense of "a camp brand", or a
kitchen brand, it's mostly used in the sense of branding, or a form
of carried fire, such as "a brand of fire" meaning a well alight stick.
Firebrand I've also heard, typically referring to a person who causes
dramatic change.
There could of course be a media conspiracy to cover up the use of the
word :)
Or, I may just be horribly wrong.
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---------------------------+-------------------------+--------------------------
The fight between good and evil, an epic battle. Darth vader and Luke,
suddenly in the middle of the fight, Darth pulls Luke to him, and whispers
"I know what you'r getting for christmas!" Luke exclaims "But how ??!?"
"It's true Luke, I know what you'r getting for christmas" Luke tries to ignore
this, but wrenches himself free, yelling "How could you know this?",
Vader replies "I felt your presents" -- The Chris Evans breakfast show ca. 94
barnacle
>barnacle <nailed_barn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> (Oh, and the English national dish is now apperently curry!)
>
>Okay, I'll bite.
>
>Yes, the English palate is now well used to curry. Not necessarily
>traditional Indian dishes, but British corruptions of the traditional
>dishes. It's worth noting that most curry houses use commercial sauces
>rather than make their own and add meat and veg as required.
I have the advantage of living five minute's walk from Majjo's - everything
made from raw ingredients and no menu, just 'can I try that?' If you're ever
in North London...
>
>I used to live five minutes' walk from the Ladypool Road in Birmingham where
>Balti curries were invented, and I spent many a merry evening in the curry
>houses there. I found a Balti recipe in a cookbook, and since an "official"
>Balti involves a ridiculous amount of preparation and various pastes, I
>simplified the recipe for my own uses and I can now knock one up within 20
>minutes with a negligible loss in flavour, courtesy of my "magic" homemade
>spice mix.
>
>Now I would normally consider this to be a horrible corruption of something
>that was already rather British, but while in the pub this evening having a
>pint of fizzy[1], I was chatting to an Indian friend who seemed to want me
>to make one for her. This is certainly a curious inversion of what I'd
>normally expect to be the norm.
>
Eeep! Most of my Indian friends consider the British curry - of almost any
variety - as a complete abomination. For some reason, I've always preferred
curry when I've been in India or Bangladesh.
>
>[0] I understand that this particular "tradition" dates from 1983 or so. To
> keep on topic, that's when I first got hooked on computers with my ZX81
> (which still works).
I wondered how we got here! My ZX81 was only obtained after threats of legal
action - Uncle Clive *appeared* to get the money and then do the development
work - and was delivered, as a kit, with a fistful of faulty diodes. Grrr.
>
>[1] I now live in London, land of pretentious lager and other tasteless
> drinks. They apparently haven't heard of Real Ale down here, unlike the
> rest of the UK. I'd kill for a decent pint.
Decent beer come, of course, from Yorkshire. (YMMV). And lager should be (a)
Antartica and (b) drunk on the beach in Rio
--
barnacle
Erno Palonheimo
> At some point we had a photo of the Spanish fire extinguisher
> with the Unix brand, sent by someone.
There's also an office accessory brand called "Unix Line". One of
their offerings is a general-purpose glue. There is a picture of a
Unix glue bottle at <http://jumi.lut.fi/ruut/images/unixliima.jpg>.
--
Erno Palonheimo -- yet another Unix system administrator
Chris Hedley
jcmo...@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) writes:
> And Sears Roebuck once sold Vax products (the vacuum cleaner, not the
> computer) in the US.
>
> Several years ago I saw them in the local Sears store and picked up
> a couple of the flyers. I gave them to my VMS sysadmin but sadly
> didn't keep a copy for myself.
They're still fairly widely available (dunno about in the US, though);
just had a look in the current Argos catalogue and there're several
models available, at least one of which is just as orange as ever.
Expensive, though.
I wonder, with all this talk about "internet appliances," if they'll
eventually run VMS? Perhaps the VAX line isn't about to be retired
after all...
Chris.
Michael Roach
came upon us all, when kra...@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) wrote:
>Lately I've been seeing office goods (trashcans, CD racks, etc.)
>apparently made by "TENEX", and large equipment (cherry-pickers
>especially) labeled "teco". Today I saw an ad in the city bus for some
>service called "Telnet" --- having to do with telephones. And I
>understand there's a Spanish fire extinguisher maker that makes "UNIX"
>fire extinguishers.
>
>Have other people seen such recycling?
There's a Teco's Mexican restaurant a couple blocks from the church we
attend (in Englewood, Colorado.)
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But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, nay: for
whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
-- Matthew 5:37
gr...@apple2.com.invalid
Jorgen Grahn <jgrah...@algonet.se> wrote:
> ...and here's the UNIX 'Revolution' pen mentioned elsewhere in this thread:
>
> http://www.algonet.se/~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg
Did you know your web space is missing?
Not Found
The requested URL /~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg was not found
on this server.
Stepping back.
Not Found
The requested URL /~jgrahn/comp/ was not found on this server.
Stepping back again.
Not Found
The requested URL /~jgrahn/ was not found on this server.
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Erno Palonheimo
> In article <xrQs5.5661$HK.2...@newsc.telia.net>,
> Jorgen Grahn <jgrah...@algonet.se> wrote:
>
> > ...and here's the UNIX 'Revolution' pen mentioned elsewhere in this thread:
> >
> > http://www.algonet.se/~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg
>
> Did you know your web space is missing?
>
[...snip...]
I can confirm that it worked just a couple of hours ago.
John Hinge
>
> I can confirm that it worked just a couple of hours ago.
>
and still funny :)
> --
> Erno Palonheimo -- yet another Unix system administrator
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Jorgen Grahn
>In article <xrQs5.5661$HK.2...@newsc.telia.net>,
>Jorgen Grahn <jgrah...@algonet.se> wrote:
>
>> ...and here's the UNIX 'Revolution' pen mentioned elsewhere in this thread:
>>
>> http://www.algonet.se/~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg
>
>Did you know your web space is missing?
>
> Not Found
>
> The requested URL /~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg was not found
> on this server.
It seems Algonet's servers are acting a bit funny. I tested after uploading
the image, had the same problem using Mozilla, had no problem with wget or
Netscape Navigator, blamed Mozilla, and moved on.
Morale: anyone thinking about linking to this image should snarf a copy
instead ;-)
--
// Jorgen Grahn <jgrahn@ "All UNIX models are of high quality and
\X/ algonet.se> have been created after many years of
experience, search and development."
Dennis Ritchie
Jorgen Grahn wrote, referring to the discussion of "Unix" things
that aren't our Unix (nor Linux nor *BSD nor USL nor SCO nor
Open Group...)
> >> http://www.algonet.se/~jgrahn/comp/unix_revolution.jpg
I conducted some research on my own as well as collecting
the sightings mentioned in a.f.c. The results are displayed at
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/~dmr/otherunix.html
and I put the link on the home page as well. Thanks
to him and the others I endeavored to mention on the page.
Dennis
Simo Tuominen
Grahn) wrote:
>On 02 Sep 2000 23:29:34 +0300, Erno Palonheimo <e...@vipunen.hut.fi> wrote:
>...
>>There's also an office accessory brand called "Unix Line". One of
>>their offerings is a general-purpose glue. There is a picture of a
>>Unix glue bottle at <http://jumi.lut.fi/ruut/images/unixliima.jpg>.
>
>...and here's the UNIX 'Revolution' pen mentioned elsewhere in this thread:
I think I have a Unix 2001 somewhere. Reliable things, especially
considering the price.