"Trust" Seminar a Dismal Failure
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> More from Florida:
>
> I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
> identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
> on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
>
> In short it was a dismal failure. The seminar ended up being
> Grady, Dandar and Hassan lecturing to themselves.
You "heard" from several scientologists? It wasn't me you heard it from. I'm
a scientologist. Who did you hear it from and how did they know?
There's no anti-religious seminar that I know that was put on. Perhaps it
was anti-CofS, Inc. seminar which explains the stupidity, lies, and abuses
of CofS, Inc. But I don't believe they were trying to convince anybody to
change their religious beliefs.
Could you give some specifics on how they are allegedly "anti-religious?"
This just sounds like demagoguery by you.
Instead of invalidating them, why don't you start answering some questions
here. Will you please?
Safe
> I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
> a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
> insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
> hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
>
> People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
> outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
> them what to think.
>
> The churches in Clearwater practice tolerance of each other and
> it rubs people the wrong way when the obvious purpose for the
> picketers coming to town is to harass other members of the
> community - because they happen to be Scientologists.
>
> No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
> true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
> which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
>
> mark_...@my-deja.com
>
>
>
>
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> Before you buy.
M. C. DiPietra
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In article <82ceq1$nsf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mark_...@my-deja.com
wrote:
>In article <82cbd4$lk6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> More from Florida:
>>
>> I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
>> predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
>> identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
>> picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
>> on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
>>
>
>I have been corrected. The one resident who attended the "Trust"
>seminar was actually not even from Clearwater.
Not what I heard.
>
>The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
>Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
>part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
>population of the City of Clearwater.
>
census?
>With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
>thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
>arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
>means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
>
if we build it, they will come...
>Scientologists come from all economic and social strata and interact at
>all levels of society. They are far from isolated and are very much a
>part of Clearwater. Whereas 20 years ago, Scientologists may have been
>viewed as outsiders, this is no longer the case. Nothing any group of
>trouble making outsiders is going to convince people otherwise. They
>know better.
>
I am not an outsider, nor am I making trouble for anyone except those
who believe that they would cease to continue to profit if I keep
talking.
> mark_...@my-deja.com
>
>
>
>
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>Before you buy.
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>"Nothing any group of trouble making outsiders is going to convince people
otherwise. They know better.
So in your mind, "outsiders" who point out the insanity, lies, and abuses of
CofS, Inc. are unwanted "trouble making outsiders" huh? But I understand how
CofS, Inc. wants to keep the status quo.
Those damn nagging "trouble making outsiders" keep on exposing the CofS,
Inc.'s overts and withholds!
Safe
mark_...@my-deja.com
I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
In short it was a dismal failure. The seminar ended up being
Grady, Dandar and Hassan lecturing to themselves.
I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
them what to think.
The churches in Clearwater practice tolerance of each other and
it rubs people the wrong way when the obvious purpose for the
picketers coming to town is to harass other members of the
community - because they happen to be Scientologists.
No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
mark_...@my-deja.com
>
> I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
> identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
> on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
>
I have been corrected. The one resident who attended the "Trust"
seminar was actually not even from Clearwater.
The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
population of the City of Clearwater.
With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
Scientologists come from all economic and social strata and interact at
all levels of society. They are far from isolated and are very much a
part of Clearwater. Whereas 20 years ago, Scientologists may have been
viewed as outsiders, this is no longer the case. Nothing any group of
trouble making outsiders is going to convince people otherwise. They
know better.
Mike O'Connor
>People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
>outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
>them what to think.
Well why don't you get a few of your buddies together and lynch 'em? That
will teach them! Is that what you are suggesting, a little necktie party?
You don't sound very reasonable, Mr. Anonymous mark_regent. You don't sound
very open minded. Oh, those are sins in your religion, aren't they? Your
religion does preach tolerance and free speech though. But you sure can't
tell it from your hateful messages.
--
Mike O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com>
<http://www.leptonicsystems.com>
DeoMorto
what a surprise.
Semper ubi sub ubi
LR1467
> Nothing any group of trouble making outsiders is going to convince people
otherwise.
That's what somebody else once sed about the northerners doin civil rights
marches in the south.... Except the other sentence included the word "does"
LR
JimDBB
>From: mark_...@my-deja.com
>Date: Sat, 04 December 1999 08:23
>The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
>Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
>part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
>population of the City of Clearwater.
we can put this "10% of the population of Clearwater" in the bin of favorite
scientology lies, right along side the '8 million members' lie.
JIMDBB
podkayne
> More from Florida:
>
> I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
> identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
> on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
Can anybody parse this sentence?
--
lawyer: "And Xenu is the evil galactic overlord according to the
Church of Scientology, correct?"
Rhea Smith, CoS Internet Monitor: "Yes, it is."
Read more Heinlein
Tommy
>
> In article <82cbd4$lk6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > More from Florida:
> >
> > I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> > identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> > on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
> >
> The OSA people don't seem to realize that the number of
> members of the community who have had just about enough
> of the staff of the Church, represent close to 90% of the
> population of the City of Clearwater.
>
> With the huge new facilities being started but never finished in Clearwater there will be
> thousands more critics who will be moving into the area and
> arriving from around the world to partake expose Co$'s crimes which
> means a proportionate decrease in GI as well.
>
> Ex-Scientologists come from all economic and social strata and interact at
> all levels of society. They are far from isolated and are very much a
> part of Clearwater. Whereas 20 years ago, Scientologists may have been
> able to "handle" critics, this is no longer the case. Nothing we can do will
> convince people otherwise. We should
> know better.
>
> mark_...@my-deja.com
>
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> Before you buy.
--
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purposes:
"I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion,
we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less
customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could
make it stick."
Best Regards,
Ron
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
>a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
>insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
>hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
That's strange. The citizens of Clearwater really hate the Scientology
crime syndicate that snuck into their town and took it over. The
response from the citizens of Clearwater has always been 100% favorable
to the protesters.
It looks like whoever's lying to you is lying to you. Either that or
you were ordered to make it all up -- what's true for you, and all.
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Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>More from Florida:
>I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
>predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
>identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
>picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
>on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
That's strange. Nobody seems to know anything about this "anti-religious"
group that was at this hotel. Perhaps some of the anti-Scientology crime
syndicate guys who were in Clearwater this week will have more information
on this.
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
>true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
>which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
Well, fortunately Mr. Minton's money will be joined with other charity
contributions so that the victims of the Scientology crime syndicate
will have a place to escape to just like Lisa McPherson could have used.
Indeed, Lisa would probably still be alive today if the Lisa McPherson
Trust had been created when she tried to escape.
And funny how these cult victims aren't even capable of typeing the
words "Lisa McPherson Trust" for some curious reason. Golly, can't you
people even name the victims that your cult murders?
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>In article <82cbd4$lk6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> More from Florida:
>> I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
>> predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
>> identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
>> picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
>> on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
>I have been corrected. The one resident who attended the "Trust"
>seminar was actually not even from Clearwater.
>The "Trust" people
Is there some reason why you can't say the name of the woman that
your criminal organization murdered? Will your cult ringleaders order
her name whited-out like Xenu's name is whited out? Depersonalize the
murder victim and you make the next murder that much easier, you know.
Is that what your crime bosses want of you?
Confront your problems. Learn to speak the name of your cult's
victims. Free yourself and think for yourself.
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
><mark_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <82cbd4$lk6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Those damn nagging "trouble making outsiders" keep on exposing the CofS,
>Inc.'s overts and withholds!
Not to mention handing them indictments and putting them in prison
for fraud, racketeering, and spying on governments.
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>>Subject: Re: "Trust" Seminar a Dismal Failure
>>From: mark_...@my-deja.com
>>Date: Sat, 04 December 1999 08:23
>>The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
>>Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
>>part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
>>population of the City of Clearwater.
>we can put this "10% of the population of Clearwater" in the bin of favorite
>scientology lies, right along side the '8 million members' lie.
And the 1.2, 1.5, or 2 million African children the cult educated.
t wilson
what happened in a room full of entheta-spewing bigots, particularly if
_only_ one local attended?
P.S> Best line from the picket: "Attention people of Teegeeack: take Xenu's
Entheta Challenge; hold your breath until an OT makes me disappear."
[Delivered by Don NOTs, via bullhorn, outside the Sandcastle.]
>
>
Keith Henson
snip
> The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
> Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
> part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
> population of the City of Clearwater.
I think what the Trust folks didn't take into account is that very few
Clearwater residents want to know more about the cult, they just want
it to leave.
> With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
> thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
> arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
> means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
You make a good point here. If the citizens are going to reclaim their
city, they have to do it soon.
> Scientologists come from all economic and social strata and interact at
> all levels of society.
Especially the *criminal* level of society. You might want to consider
that on a per capita basis, 100 times as many scientologists are in the
federal prison system as say Mormons.
They are far from isolated and are very much a
> part of Clearwater. Whereas 20 years ago, Scientologists may have been
> viewed as outsiders, this is no longer the case. Nothing any group of
> trouble making outsiders is going to convince people otherwise. They
> know better.
This seems like a good place to report some news. Mark Dollara and I were
discussing the concept of getting Clearwater renamed Xenu City. I bet
there was over majority support, Mark thought otherwise. So for about
three hours I ran a small (N=22) unbiased as I could survey (first voter
who would talk every 30 pages of the phone book) to see how many would
vote for a name change. The question after identifying myself and being
sure they were a city voter ran thus:
"If there was a good chance to get the scientologists to leave, would you
vote to rename Clearwater to Xenu City?"
The raw numbers: Yes 10 45%
No 6 27%
Maybe 6 27%
At 0.9 confidence the real number for yes lies between 28% and 63%--i.e.,
the sample size is kind of small, but it was all I could get in what with
picketing. If you take half the maybes as yes, then the .9 confidence is
between 42% and 76%. This should take some more work, particularly a
bigger sample, but since this was coming on people cold without publicity,
a response this high indicates to me that there is an excellent chance
Clearwater *could* become Xenu City.
And, as the original poster points out, now is the time before it is
too late.
A few comments on yes: Do *anything* to get rid of them.
Do anything to get them to leave.
Get rid of the SOBs.
Definitely!
Amazing! That is all it would take?
On no, I work for a scientologist
No
No being "treated" by scn for cancer
On maybe/no opinion Funny idea, might vote that way
No opinion (twice)
Don't give a damn (too old)
Incidentally, telephone poling there is a study in pathos. I reached two
who were dying of cancer besides the woman being "treated" for cancer by
scn.
Keith Henson
PS, if someone in the area wants to fill out this survey, get in touch
with me on the method. 220 samples and .9 confidence would reduce the
error to plus or minus 5%
Steve Zadarnowski
>The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
>Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
>part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
>population of the City of Clearwater.
>
>With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
>thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
>arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
>means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
Can't we buy the fuckers an island of their own? Cuba? I
don't recall Clearwater opening its doors willingly to be
the ScienoCapital of the world.
>Scientologists come from all economic and social strata and interact at
>all levels of society.
Well that's bullshit for starters. The only interaction at all levels
of society is the implementation of general directive to push
scientology into schools, business and government. As for all
social strata, the staff are in a class of their own - sub poverty.
>They are far from isolated and are very much a
>part of Clearwater. Whereas 20 years ago, Scientologists may have been
>viewed as outsiders, this is no longer the case. Nothing any group of
>trouble making outsiders is going to convince people otherwise. They
>know better.
How about you offer some other town in the US to have ScienoCentral
in their city center? I doubt there'll be a queue to host a lying
infiltrating cult. OSA must have quite a fat file on all the
groups it has slipped a spy into, and let's face it, there appears
to be no shortage of "average working joe" Scientologists willing
to lie and steal on the behalf of Scientology.
Scientology might be seen to promote morality and ethics on the
outside, but on the inside its an amoral cesspool of sharks.
Whoever said that money is the root of all evil must have seen
Scientology first.
S
Rob Clark
>I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
>a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
FLUNK! You lose!
rob
Steve A
Zadarnowski) wrote:
> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >The "Trust" people don't seem to realize that the number of
> >Scientologists who are members of the community i.e. not those who are
> >part of the staff of the Church, represent close to 10% of the
> >population of the City of Clearwater.
> >
> >With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
> >thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
> >arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
> >means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
>
> Can't we buy the fuckers an island of their own? Cuba? I
> don't recall Clearwater opening its doors willingly to be
> the ScienoCapital of the world.
Give 'em an option on Atlantis. Then all they have to do is to
postulate the thing back up to the surface. Piece of cake for a bunch
of OT's, and they'll probably get on ever so well with the natives.
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kEvin
Keith Henson <hkhe...@netcom13.netcom.com> wrote:
>This seems like a good place to report some news. Mark Dollara and I were
>discussing the concept of getting Clearwater renamed Xenu City. I bet
>there was over majority support, Mark thought otherwise. So for about
>three hours I ran a small (N=22) unbiased as I could survey (first voter
>who would talk every 30 pages of the phone book) to see how many would
>vote for a name change. The question after identifying myself and being
>sure they were a city voter ran thus:
>"If there was a good chance to get the scientologists to leave, would you
>vote to rename Clearwater to Xenu City?"
Ignoring your statistical treatment since we both agree that you need
a better sample size, I have to point out that you have a question bias.
The major objection to changing the name will be brought up by local
businesses who won't want to have to redo all their stationery and
advertising. You need to factor that in to get an accurate vote predictor.
It's a good question to ask for gauging anti-Scientology[tm] sentiment within
the city though.
kEvin
m...@primenet.com
EldonB123
>>vote to rename Clearwater to Xenu City?"
>
big deal. How about just getting the city to adopt something like that as its
slogan. Like "Xenu's hometown" or "Home of Xenu"?
M. C. DiPietra
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In article <19991207082729...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
eldo...@aol.com (EldonB123) wrote:
Fredric Xenu L. Xenu Rice Xenu
>mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> With the huge new facilities being built in Clearwater there will be
>> thousands more Scientologists who will be moving into the area and
>> arriving from around the world to partake in Church services which
>> means a proportionate increase in the number of staff as well.
>You make a good point here. If the citizens are going to reclaim their
>city, they have to do it soon.
If the cult is trying to consolidate and will be vacating their
property in California, Clearwater is doomed.
Gerry Armstrong
>More from Florida:
>
>I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
>predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
>identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
>picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
>on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
You're wrong here, Mark. But first let me welcome you to a.r.s. I just
got back from Clearwater myself and it's good to find someone from the
$cientology organization with whom I've never communicated.
The Lisa McPherson Trust (isn't that a great name?) did not put on the
conference, although a number of people connected with the Trust were
speakers and participants.
The discussion was not anti-religious in nature at all. Obviously, if
you're telling the truth then the several $cientologists in Clearwater
are lying to you. That's why we, $cientology's opposition, oppose
$cientology. Because it leads to endless lying. Now just think, you
can end the cycle of endless lying just by telling the truth: that the
seminar as you call it was not even slightly anti-religious.
Go ahead, give it a try. Tell the truth.
>
>In short it was a dismal failure. The seminar ended up being
>Grady, Dandar and Hassan lecturing to themselves.
Do you know what. I was very moved and in fact honored to listen to
each of the speakers, and in fact to the people asking questions.
It was a bigger success than 10 thousand $cientologists in tuxedos and
evening gowns listening to DM go off with his fireworks. All that
flash and pomp is the dismal failure.The Clearwater 1999 Conference in
its humble success proved $cientology a dismal failure. Next time you
cheer L. Ron Hubbard three or ten times at the next big event, think
about it.
>
>I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
>a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
>insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
>hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
Ah, so you're a Clearwater $cientologist? How nice to have such a
spokesperson.
A community in which harmony is "achieved" by lies, and disharmony is
suppressed by threat, is not an harmonious community. Until your
organization opens up all its dark rooms and hiding places, and comes
clean about its lies, threats and other unhealthy and dangerous
activities, it will live in disharmony. The protesters who come to
Clearwater are the people who are seeking an end to the disharmony.
The heart of $cientology is most disharmonious.
>
>People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
>outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
>them what to think.
Then you must admit that back in 1975 people in Clearwater also
weren't stupid and also didn't need a bunch of outsiders coming in and
disrupting their lives and trying to tell them what to think. And you
know what, Hubbard and his regime in fact did think people in
Clearwater are stupid. And Miscavige and his regime continue to think
people in Clearwater are stupid, and the regime does disrupt their
lives and does tell them what to think.
>
>The churches in Clearwater practice tolerance of each other and
>it rubs people the wrong way when the obvious purpose for the
>picketers coming to town is to harass other members of the
>community - because they happen to be Scientologists.
The protestors come to town to protest the Miscavige regime which is
responsible for this period of black $cientology. We want to get this
message to any $cientologist who will listen. You're here, so listen.
We're saying that your regime leaders, DM and his pseudozealots, are
responsible for all this black $cientology.
Are you saying that identifying DM as the person behind all the black
$cientology is a message that we shouldn't try to get inside to the
good $cientologists being robbed, cheated, lied to and destroyed by
the black $cientologists using black $cientology? Which side are you
on? Surely you don't defend the Miscavige regime's proliferation of
black $cientology!
>
>No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
>true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
>which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
Ah, I see. That's all that $cientology's left with. The nazis calling
jews nazis.
But listen, just so there's no doubt, Mark, because you're claiming to
know the true purpose of the Lisa McPherson Trust, it is appropriate
to call you a liar. The Trust wants only to end black $cientology. And
you and every $cientologist and every thinking wog should want to end
black $cientology too. You don't of course, because you are a defender
and promoter of black $cientology. You work for black $cientology and
its dark goals. I'll bet you're on the black $cientology payroll. You
should get your ethics in, and tell DM and his black $cientologist
bullies to take their black tech, black art and black bags and get the
hell out of $cientology.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Beverly Rice
> mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> >predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
> >identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> >picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
> >on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
> You're wrong here, Mark.
Yes, and why, just how surprising!! :-)
> The Lisa McPherson Trust (isn't that a great name?)
Yes, but you know, the "Trust" word will have a great MU on the
understanding of a Co$ adherent, because they have had the meaning
of that word put in their mind according to the meaning the Dead
Bloated TOAD inferred upon it.
Sad.
> The discussion was not anti-religious in nature at all.
But, now, this poor little chap was told to push the "anti-religious"
button on those people the Co$ is expecting to be reading this NG
that are weak-minded enough to fall for a little button pushing.
Of course, the only weak-minded people on this NG are the Co$
adherents, the game of self-deception is strong in them, young
Skywalker :-)
Actually, if you want to get downright technical, I would way I am
anti-~religious~, because ~religion~ is a stumbling block to what I
am far more interested in, and that is ~spirituality~.
Even Jesus Christ struck in to the very hearts of the ~religious~
leaders of his day, calling their outward showings of religiousity
a trapping making them "whited sepulchres", outwardly pretty,
but inwardly containing only the stench of death and decay.
Gee, maybe Mark Regent is telling us, although unbeknownst to him,
"The Truth" about Co$ after all, it tries to paint itself pretty,
but it is the stench of death.
> Obviously, if
> you're telling the truth then the several $cientologists in Clearwater
> are lying to you.
What a novel idea, scientologists ~lying~. Hmpf!!
> That's why we, $cientology's opposition, oppose
> $cientology. Because it leads to endless lying.
And there can be no better opposition than opposition to untruth.
> Now just think, you
> can end the cycle of endless lying just by telling the truth:
But that would be against the purpose of the game, which is to keep
the game going. The continuing game of promising to end the game by
having no end to the game.
Ahhh, scientology . . . the ultimate mind-fuck!!
> that the
> seminar as you call it was not even slightly anti-religious.
> Go ahead, give it a try. Tell the truth.
He can't :-(
He doesn't know the truth, he can only know what he is told is the
truth; and the truth is he needs the lie to be the truth to keep the
truth built of lies to be his truth.
> >In short it was a dismal failure. The seminar ended up being
> >Grady, Dandar and Hassan lecturing to themselves.
> Do you know what. I was very moved and in fact honored to listen to
> each of the speakers, and in fact to the people asking questions.
The right people were there. That is all that matters. The
critics are being heard more and more every year. It is a
snowball effect, it will end in a massive crushing of the wall
of Co$ lies buried under tons and tons of truth pummeling down
on the Co$.
Mark, you and your leaders aren't going to stop it, not at all.
You couldn't stop it when it first began, you can't stop it now,
and you will be even less able to stop it as the future turns slowly
on you.
> It was a bigger success than 10 thousand $cientologists in tuxedos and
> evening gowns listening to DM go off with his fireworks. All that
> flash and pomp is the dismal failure.
What, no Hip Hip Hoorays!!
> The Clearwater 1999 Conference in
> its humble success proved $cientology a dismal failure. Next time you
> cheer L. Ron Hubbard three or ten times at the next big event, think
> about it.
I bet the leadership does think about it.
I bet that Mr. Miscavage even ~dreams~ about it.
What a nightmare, his army of "8 Million", all his bevvy of
lawyers, and his entire "stable" of 'clebs, totally unable to stop
a mere little handful of critics.
All that money, all that power . . . for . . . what?
For an ever shrinking organization.
David, I beseech you . . . BLOW the Co$.
How insidiously ironic indeed, if ~you~ were to be the one that
would have a change of heart and blow the entire thing wide open.
In the immortal words of Judy Tenuta "Hey!! It could happen!!"
> >I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
> >a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
> >insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
> >hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
> Ah, so you're a Clearwater $cientologist? How nice to have such a
> spokesperson.
Whoa!! And how about that ~vocabulary~!!!
"brown shirt" coupled with the word "hooligans", and throw in the
words "hatred" and "intolerance".
You know . . . if I didn't know better, I would say this shill is
trying to paint a picture, and by cracky, it ain't a very pretty
picture.
Surely I'm wrong, I mean . . . that would be soOOOoooo transparent,
so . . . "clear". Surely the Co$ wouldn't possibly try to pull of
such a mental insult to the readership on this NG.
Why . . . I just won't believe that. I won't, I won't, I won't.
:-)
> A community in which harmony is "achieved" by lies, and disharmony
> is suppressed by threat, is not an harmonious community.
Don't mince words, go right for the throat and choke the lie
at it's "Source".
> Until your
> organization opens up all its dark rooms and hiding places, and comes
> clean about its lies, threats and other unhealthy and dangerous
> activities, it will live in disharmony.
:-( Then . . . it appears the Co$ will continue to live in
disharmony for a long time. It lives in dark rooms and hiding
places.
The light hurts it, the truth will be Co$'s destruction.
> The protesters who come to
> Clearwater are the people who are seeking an end to the disharmony.
> The heart of $cientology is most disharmonious.
It makes me sad to say that the "heart" is the one thing it
appears that Co$ cuts out from it's body.
> >People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
> >outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
> >them what to think.
Oh my God!! Unexpectedly, you just showed Co$ for what it is
and what it has done.
Your overt doeth speak loudly, it screams from the rooftops.
> Then you must admit that back in 1975 people in Clearwater also
> weren't stupid and also didn't need a bunch of outsiders coming in and
> disrupting their lives and trying to tell them what to think. And you
> know what, Hubbard and his regime in fact did think people in
> Clearwater are stupid.
Below are some URL's that demonstrate how Co$ did set up covert ops
to take over CW, a place they thought contained people "too stupid"
and needed someone (them) to come in an take over.
Take the time to read these when you get a chance. And . . . these
are only a few of the ops to take over CW and make it the Co$'s own
personal place.
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/chinashp.html
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/predictn.html
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/tricycle.html
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/cazares.html
> And Miscavige and his regime continue to think
> people in Clearwater are stupid, and the regime does disrupt their
> lives and does tell them what to think.
They are gonig to be in for a big surprise.
CW will get it's voice back. Slowly, but surely.
> >The churches in Clearwater practice tolerance of each other and
> >it rubs people the wrong way when the obvious purpose for the
> >picketers coming to town is to harass other members of the
> >community - because they happen to be Scientologists.
This is not true. The community is sick of Co$ and it's adherents
playing "church".
A prime example. The Co$ had all it's properties locked up and
barred from entry. The Co$ has cameras and security all over the
place, not just when picketers are around, but all the time. The
Co$ is suspicious and unwelcoming of people who just would like
to enter their properties to "worship".
The ~real~ church, right next to the Ft. Harrison was a stark
contrast.
Anybody can walk up to it's property, ~enter~ it's property, go
in and worship, and not be filmed, questioned, and followed, or even
barred from entry to begin with.
Stark contrast . . . very stark contrast indeed, between what is
the truth, and what is the lie about a "church".
> >No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
> >true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
> >which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
No amount of Co$'s money from the bank accounts of its dead members,
or the bank accounts from families it has broken and/or destroyed, or
the bank accounts from those who work and strive and do without real
necessities, can ever come to benefit Co$ in the long run.
This blood money, and money gotten from the woes and miseries, and
from the trust of deluded adherents, will end up being what will
choke the Co$'s leaders at the time of justice.
Drowning . . . in a Sea of Mammon.
> Ah, I see. That's all that $cientology's left with. The nazis calling
> jews nazis.
>
> But listen, just so there's no doubt, Mark, because you're claiming to
> know the true purpose of the Lisa McPherson Trust, it is appropriate
> to call you a liar.
Not only appropriate, but the only factual reality that is in
existance.
> The Trust wants only to end black $cientology. And
> you and every $cientologist and every thinking wog should want to end
> black $cientology too. You don't of course, because you are a defender
> and promoter of black $cientology. You work for black $cientology and
> its dark goals. I'll bet you're on the black $cientology payroll. You
> should get your ethics in, and tell DM and his black $cientologist
> bullies to take their black tech, black art and black bags and get the
> hell out of $cientology.
I don't know about getting the hell out of $cientology, but they sure
are going to get the Hell.
Beverly
roger gonnet
Gerry Armstrong <arms...@dowco.com> a écrit dans le message :
38501ef1...@news.dowco.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:25:11 GMT, mark_...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >More from Florida:
> >
> >I heard from several Scientologists in Clearwater and, just as
> >predicted, there was a grand total of 1 resident who could be
> >identified as actually from Clearwater who was not part of the
> >picketing group which showed up for the anti-religious seminar put
> >on by the "Trust" at the Holiday Inn.
>
> You're wrong here, Mark. But first let me welcome you to a.r.s. I just
> got back from Clearwater myself and it's good to find someone from the
> $cientology organization with whom I've never communicated.
>
> The Lisa McPherson Trust (isn't that a great name?) did not put on the
> conference, although a number of people connected with the Trust were
> speakers and participants.
>
> The discussion was not anti-religious in nature at all. Obviously, if
> you're telling the truth then the several $cientologists in Clearwater
> are lying to you. That's why we, $cientology's opposition, oppose
> $cientology. Because it leads to endless lying. Now just think, you
> can end the cycle of endless lying just by telling the truth: that the
> seminar as you call it was not even slightly anti-religious.
>
> Go ahead, give it a try. Tell the truth.
>
> >
> >In short it was a dismal failure. The seminar ended up being
> >Grady, Dandar and Hassan lecturing to themselves.
>
> Do you know what. I was very moved and in fact honored to listen to
> each of the speakers, and in fact to the people asking questions.
I was very happy to hear you as well, Gerry. Great demonstration. And from
an humble person, who passed over his past "hypertrophy of the ego" which is
one of the very evident effect of scientology brainwashing on its adherents.
As far as I've been able to observe the ex-scientologists in CW, none had
kept this illness of the mind which led them once to think that they could
perhaps have "super-powers". No OTs there outside, sure! But inside, there
are so litlle OTs, that the immense bunch of them scienos was "protected" by
scientology in order to be unable to hear or read our declarations... so, a
handful of anti-scientologists getting the scam tchurdch spending a
fantastic energy, just to "protect" OTs and "Clears" and "pre-OTs" on their
"way to total freedom", from so fex people saying the exact truth about the
scam??
>
> It was a bigger success than 10 thousand $cientologists in tuxedos and
> evening gowns listening to DM go off with his fireworks. All that
> flash and pomp is the dismal failure.The Clearwater 1999 Conference in
> its humble success proved $cientology a dismal failure. Next time you
> cheer L. Ron Hubbard three or ten times at the next big event, think
> about it.
Yes: these events are so crazy sessions of registration only... reminds me
the "sessions" from Hitler speaking to millions of hypnotized germans,
ready then to go to death, in order to kill jews ? Or to be "masters of the
world" ? Too bad.
>
> >
> >I guess the "Trust" hasn't realized that they look and behave like
> >a bunch of brown shirt hooligans coming in from out of town,
> >insulting people, trying to cause trouble, attempting to create
> >hatred and intolerance in an otherwise harmonious community.
I've not heard any one insult to any scientologist. I've been the most vocal
one (because of my strong voice); more than one scientologist has insulted
me, saying "fuck you" or "liar", or things like this. I've never answered
any bad word to them: it's the scam I'm targeting, not the victims of the
scam. I'm considering that only a handful of upper-managers is composed of
real frauds and criminals. The others, even when acting criminally, are just
puppets in the hands of the DMs and c°. What did you hear, if you listened?
That scientology was a scam, a fraud, and that Hubbard was sentenced to four
years jail in France, for fraud, extortion. Not that scienos were criminals
or so. Even when they are lying, I know why they do: I've been one. Think of
it.
>
> Ah, so you're a Clearwater $cientologist? How nice to have such a
> spokesperson.
>
> A community in which harmony is "achieved" by lies, and disharmony is
> suppressed by threat, is not an harmonious community. Until your
> organization opens up all its dark rooms and hiding places, and comes
> clean about its lies, threats and other unhealthy and dangerous
> activities, it will live in disharmony. The protesters who come to
> Clearwater are the people who are seeking an end to the disharmony.
> The heart of $cientology is most disharmonious.
>
> >
> >People in Clearwater aren't stupid and don't need a bunch of
> >outsiders coming in and disrupting their lives and trying to tell
> >them what to think.
>
> Then you must admit that back in 1975 people in Clearwater also
> weren't stupid and also didn't need a bunch of outsiders coming in and
> disrupting their lives and trying to tell them what to think. And you
> know what, Hubbard and his regime in fact did think people in
> Clearwater are stupid. And Miscavige and his regime continue to think
> people in Clearwater are stupid, and the regime does disrupt their
> lives and does tell them what to think.
>
people of CW have made us a real great bravo. Even the young ones. People of
CW, but scientologists, are aware, not stupid people, like you are thinking
in scientology. Cease running a continual overt on humanity, scientologists.
Cease thinking those non-scienos are stupid, for they arent' at all: most of
them in CW have not had such bad idea as to come into the scam.
> >
> >The churches in Clearwater practice tolerance of each other and
> >it rubs people the wrong way when the obvious purpose for the
> >picketers coming to town is to harass other members of the
> >community - because they happen to be Scientologists.
>
> The protestors come to town to protest the Miscavige regime which is
> responsible for this period of black $cientology. We want to get this
> message to any $cientologist who will listen. You're here, so listen.
> We're saying that your regime leaders, DM and his pseudozealots, are
> responsible for all this black $cientology.
>
> Are you saying that identifying DM as the person behind all the black
> $cientology is a message that we shouldn't try to get inside to the
> good $cientologists being robbed, cheated, lied to and destroyed by
> the black $cientologists using black $cientology? Which side are you
> on? Surely you don't defend the Miscavige regime's proliferation of
> black $cientology!
>
> >
> >No amount of Bob's money can put a different face on the "Trust's"
> >true purpose which is the destruction of Scientology, a religion to
> >which numerous members of the Clearwater community belong.
>
> Ah, I see. That's all that $cientology's left with. The nazis calling
> jews nazis.
I am personnaly thinking that scientology is in no way a religion, but a
mere scam. So, I want to get scientology to be recognized exactly for what
it is. Therefore, to get it destroyed by legal ways. Not to destroy
scientologists (but to send in jail the upper frauds). Just to get them
really informed of the backsides.
>
> But listen, just so there's no doubt, Mark, because you're claiming to
> know the true purpose of the Lisa McPherson Trust, it is appropriate
> to call you a liar. The Trust wants only to end black $cientology. And
> you and every $cientologist and every thinking wog should want to end
> black $cientology too. You don't of course, because you are a defender
> and promoter of black $cientology. You work for black $cientology and
> its dark goals. I'll bet you're on the black $cientology payroll. You
> should get your ethics in, and tell DM and his black $cientologist
> bullies to take their black tech, black art and black bags and get the
> hell out of $cientology.
Scientology having been only a hell since Hubbard, I am not naïve enough to
think that could really change without a complete revolution, that means,
that it should destroy a great lot of what is considered "sacred tech" and
sacred policies.
roger
ID32
I was just reading the URL's you posted and have a question fo you.
On the last URL, there is a list of documents, one of which is
summerized as follows:
"15 Mar 1976 RE: Mayor Cazares
A report of an incident that occurred while Cazares was in Washington,
DC, which Dick Weigand felt could be used to Scientology's advantage.
This was the beginning of an illegal covert operation that was
discovered as an attempt to frame Cazares. (Complete)"
I read the whole thing and was actually surprised.
I had heard many times before that the hit and run was a set up, but
that is not what it sounds like here.
Was it or wasn't it?
ID32
Cornelius Krasel
> I was just reading the URL's you posted and have a question fo you.
How did you do that? All I get is a "404 Page not found" error.
I tried several URLs, including going down to http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/,
without any success.
> On the last URL, there is a list of documents, one of which is
> summerized as follows:
>
> "15 Mar 1976 RE: Mayor Cazares
> A report of an incident that occurred while Cazares was in Washington,
> DC, which Dick Weigand felt could be used to Scientology's advantage.
> This was the beginning of an illegal covert operation that was
> discovered as an attempt to frame Cazares. (Complete)"
This is "Operation Keller", which is described in more detail at
http://wpxx02/~cowen/go/gohist.htm#go_ops (unfortunately without
any original documents).
--Cornelius.
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Beverly Rice
> Hi Beverly,
Hi :-)
> I was just reading the URL's you posted and have a question fo you.
> On the last URL, there is a list of documents, one of which is
> summerized as follows:
> "15 Mar 1976 RE: Mayor Cazares
> A report of an incident that occurred while Cazares was in Washington,
> DC, which Dick Weigand felt could be used to Scientology's advantage.
> This was the beginning of an illegal covert operation that was
> discovered as an attempt to frame Cazares. (Complete)"
> I read the whole thing and was actually surprised.
Well, I was surprised at all the Co$'s covert ops that were uncovered
in the raids on the Mother church. Of course, that was then . . . now
nothing the Co$ does surprises me after learning more about them and
communicating with people who had gotten away from them that had been
in quite a while and/or worked in capacities where they were with front
groups and other organizational groups of the Co$ focused on gathering
data and infiltrating communities via those front groups.
For those who have not read what it is ID is responding to, here is
a page with links to the various ops:
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/index.html and
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/docs/cazares.html
> I had heard many times before that the hit and run was a set up, but
> that is not what it sounds like here.
> Was it or wasn't it?
Well, I wish I could answer that for you, but I can't.
I know that I also had heard that.
However, seeing the covert ops that are listed in the URL's above
for me are adequate proof of the fact that Co$ is an organization
that operates off of intimidation, blackmail, harassment, and spends
way too much time and effort on working to destroy perceived enemies,
eating deep into time, resources, energy, money, and human motivation
that could be spent on humanitarian issues.
Of course, Co$ is not humanitarian, but that can be seen ,as I
said before, in the URL's mentioned, as well as other critical
sites on the web pointing out the truth and facts about Co$ they
work to keep covered.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help to you on the hit and run
thing.
I waited to answer your post because I was looking around the web
to see what I could find for you, and admittedly, web searching
abilities are not among my finer points :-)
Maybe someone else reading this could help you.
Beverly
ID32
"I waited to answer your post because I was looking around the web to
see what I could find for you, and admittedly, web searching abilities
are not among my finer points :-)"
Me, too!
Thanks for your reply.
:)
ID32