All quiet on the global front?
Gerry Armstrong
whiles, that the regime is at a loss for words?
It wouldn't take much. Just one O$A A.R.S.Handling Department Section
Head (R) saying, "It isn't working," would send DM into a tailspin.
Which is the final moment of an already dwindling spiral.
All the attacks, all the rhetoric, all the lies, all the money, all
the hours, all the lawyers, all the money for lawyers' hours, isn't
working,
They've said it all. They've dug up all the "dirt" on Paulette Cooper,
Mike Flynn, Lawrence, Dennis, Mayo, the IRS, the FBI, Interpol,
Vaughn, Ford, Graham, Grady, Keith, Stacy, Bob, Jesse and me, and a
million other people. And it's all come to this. It didn't work.
There's nothing more that can be said; and even if there were
something more it still wouldn't work.
$cientology's massive investment in black PR tech is a complete
failure. That alone, coupled with the Miscavige regime's refusal to
acknowledge black PR's complete failure, is enough to render
$cientology -- the subject and organization -- a complete failure.
Anything worth engaging in black PR to save isn't worth saving.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Beverly Rice
>
> Do you get the idea every once in a while, this being one of those
> whiles, that the regime is at a loss for words?
Yes and no.
As someone that has learned "mommy" things, it reminds me that
sometimes when the kids are quiet, you can bet they are up to
no good :-)
I kind of have the feeling that the Co$ are being those little
kids who are up to no good right now.
> All the attacks, all the rhetoric, all the lies, all the money, all
> the hours, all the lawyers, all the money for lawyers' hours, isn't
> working,
Nope, but they still haven't learned.
I guess they still have to keep getting "lessons", eh? :-)
> $cientology's massive investment in black PR tech is a complete
> failure. That alone, coupled with the Miscavige regime's refusal to
> acknowledge black PR's complete failure, is enough to render
> $cientology -- the subject and organization -- a complete failure.
>
> Anything worth engaging in black PR to save isn't worth saving.
Co$, their own worst enemy, and they ~still~ don't see it :-(
http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/tour/11-deaths-at-flag.html
Beverly
Roland
>
> Do you get the idea every once in a while, this being one of those
> whiles, that the regime is at a loss for words?
>
> Head (R) saying, "It isn't working," would send DM into a tailspin.
> Which is the final moment of an already dwindling spiral.
>
> the hours, all the lawyers, all the money for lawyers' hours, isn't
> working,
>
> Mike Flynn, Lawrence, Dennis, Mayo, the IRS, the FBI, Interpol,
> Vaughn, Ford, Graham, Grady, Keith, Stacy, Bob, Jesse and me, and a
> million other people. And it's all come to this. It didn't work.
> There's nothing more that can be said; and even if there were
> something more it still wouldn't work.
>
> failure. That alone, coupled with the Miscavige regime's refusal to
> acknowledge black PR's complete failure, is enough to render
> $cientology -- the subject and organization -- a complete failure.
>
> Anything worth engaging in black PR to save isn't worth saving.
>
The Internet is the Co$'s Vietnam. It's a costly war that they cannot
win. They will only lose further. Look at all the supposed "copyright
terrorists" that they have silenced. It only makes it worse. Their
precious secrets get spammed all the more. Also they will lose members
unless they are seen to act like a Church. Spamming a.r.s. just makes
them look like the bunch of lunatics that they are. Their best bet is to
do nothing. I think the Mormons had a lot of trouble from the Internet
posting their secrets. They did nothing after a while and all the
critical websites are a) gone or b) nobody knows where they are. This is
the best outcome. Maybe the Co$ has realised this. Besides, warring
against the Internet attracts people who are lookign for a "cause". The
Co$ gives them that and draws them into what they would call a "Games
Condition" that is then very hard to stop.
I predict that this newsgroup will fade away to almost nothing in one
year if the Co$ back off from harassing Internet users and a.r.s.. It is
beginning to fade already in terms of critical content.
Roland
--
"I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and
is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other
day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"Between Lives Implants" lecture, SHSBC #317. 23 July 1963.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram
Michael Rathbun
Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
>The Internet is the Co$'s Vietnam.
This is an apt metaphor. During that adventure (I was there in 1970) it
became obvious to me that, from the way the situation was structured, there
were two important facts:
On any given day, the worst that could happen to the North was that they
didn't win (since for them losing was impossible, given the terms of
engagement).
On any given day, the best that could happen to the US was that we didn't lose
(since winning, for us, was effectively undefined, and hence impossible).
So, what is the strategic situation for the CofS with respect to its gaggle of
critics on the Internet?
Executive Summary: Defeat is absolutely certain (if for no other reason than
that the current leadership are not immortal) because there is no achievable
strategic definition of victory.
The absolute best they can hope for is that the critics will lose interest in
them and go away. But that can only happen when their behavior changes to the
point that critics have no further basis for criticism, and since that is
exactly what many of the critics would define as "victory" for the critical
cause, it would appear that the only way CofS can win is to lose.
Fundamentally, CofS cannot prevail because there is no "them" to prevail
against. They are a single more-or-less cohesively identifiable organization
faced with not one but tens of thousands of opponents, all fighting on their
own home turf, ALL of whom must be "ruined utterly" if planet-clearing is to
proceed in peace and safety.
And they don't even have B-52s.
mdr
roxthefox
Armstrong) wrote:
>Do you get the idea every once in a while, this being one of those
>whiles, that the regime is at a loss for words?
I shall take this opportunity to quote a few lines from a poem I wrote
about two devious people who were losing the battle:
Like a fisherman's catch, when it's beaten and worn,
They lie motionless gathering strength,
For one final attempt at an end to the thought,
That life holds no purpose for them.
end quote
The silence is deafening. They are busy, make no mistake.
barb
Seems to me at this point, the CO$ has enough money to stop screwing
people over and go legit. It takes money to make money, they say, and
I'm sure that it would make better sense to stop wasting so much dough
on lawyers, PIs, lawsuits and the like, and just concentrate on
increasing their pile in a socially acceptable way. Of course, they'd
have to give up their tax exempt status, and a few of them would have to
pay their dues to society, but if they dumped the mindfuck I wouldn't
object to having them around. I think...
--
barb
"No clears, no OT's, no research, no understanding, and trying to
conduct intellectual warfare with no ammunition. I was right,
Scientology just
doesn't get any good help anymore."
-retiredcap
William Barwell
In article <38248681...@news.dowco.com>,
Gerry Armstrong <arms...@dowco.com> wrote:
>Do you get the idea every once in a while, this being one of those
>whiles, that the regime is at a loss for words?
>
>Head (R) saying, "It isn't working," would send DM into a tailspin.
>Which is the final moment of an already dwindling spiral.
>
Look for more of that. They have Keith and Grady tied up
for the nonce. They think its a win. The CWPD is not
after all these yeras, keeping them under surveillance.
High fives all around. CAN is still dead.
The are dwindling a bit world wide, but they are expanding in CW.
New buildings, big plans.
Time to make new plans. New projects.
To find new ways of putting their ethics in.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
Hartley Patterson
> Spamming a.r.s. just makes
> them look like the bunch of lunatics that they are. Their best bet is to
> do nothing.
CoS theology says otherwise! So does the theology of some other
religions: the important thing is to spread the Truth. If people ignore
it that's their lookout, they are PTS/wogs, in the hands of Satan, their
karma is too low, whatever.
> I think the Mormons had a lot of trouble from the Internet
> posting their secrets. They did nothing after a while and all the
> critical websites are a) gone or b) nobody knows where they are.
The critical websites are still there, but the LDS bit the bullet,
realised they couldn't defeat the Internet, and negotiated. IIRC they
now have a moderated newsgroup where anything can be discussed *except*
the religious secrets - which in their case are not central to their
beliefs anyway.
> I predict that this newsgroup will fade away to almost nothing in one
> year if the Co$ back off from harassing Internet users and a.r.s.. It is
> beginning to fade already in terms of critical content.
There comes a point where newsgroups have said it all, and are mostly
just recycling the old arguements. I sub to several like that! As the
Internet continues to expand there will always be new arrivals asking
old questions, all we can do is keep posting FAQs and point them to the
Web Sites.
--
"I think of my beautiful city in flames"
http://village.vossnet.co.uk/h/hpttrsn/
A medieval spreadsheet, enturbulating entheta, how to outrun
Thread and some riddles preciousss....
Nile Evil Bastard
Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote:
:The Internet is the Co$'s Vietnam. It's a costly war that they cannot
:win. They will only lose further. Look at all the supposed "copyright
:terrorists" that they have silenced. It only makes it worse. Their
:precious secrets get spammed all the more. Also they will lose members
:unless they are seen to act like a Church. Spamming a.r.s. just makes
:them look like the bunch of lunatics that they are. Their best bet is to
:do nothing. I think the Mormons had a lot of trouble from the Internet
:posting their secrets. They did nothing after a while and all the
:critical websites are a) gone or b) nobody knows where they are. This is
:the best outcome.
The Mormon Church is playing up again. See http://xenu.netizen.com.au/lds/
- still NO legal paper about this site, and it's been a coupla weeks now.
Idjits.
: Maybe the Co$ has realised this.
I doubt it.
: Besides, warring
:against the Internet attracts people who are lookign for a "cause". The
:Co$ gives them that and draws them into what they would call a "Games
:Condition" that is then very hard to stop.
heh.
:I predict that this newsgroup will fade away to almost nothing in one
:year if the Co$ back off from harassing Internet users and a.r.s.. It is
:beginning to fade already in terms of critical content.
That's because we've pretty much won; the rest is to perform the mop-up as
artistically as we happen to feel like being. Not just to administer the
coup the grace, but to do so in *style*. Remember: we must deliver a truly
compelling warning to whatever fuckheads are stupid enough to try this
next.
--
http://netizen.com.au/ http://www.caube.org.au/ "Feeling that way about women
seemed pretty natural, too. After all, I was surrounded by media portrayals of
women as sexual creatures, things to be desired and lusted after. Was the world
then going to turn round and say 'Oh, by the way, that all-surrounding message
wasn't aimed at you, you just got it by accident'?" (Jennie Kermode)
Thomas J Best
barb wrote in message <3825D2D8...@pacbell.net>...
>Michael Rathbun wrote:
>>
>> In alt.religion.scientology on Sun, 07 Nov 1999 08:19:04 +0000,
>> became obvious to me that, from the way the situation was structured,
there
>> were two important facts:
>>
It takes money to make money, they say, and
>I'm sure that it would make better sense to stop wasting so much dough
>on lawyers, PIs, lawsuits and the like, and just concentrate on
>increasing their pile in a socially acceptable way. Of course, they'd
>have to give up their tax exempt status, and a few of them would have to
>pay their dues to society, but if they dumped the mindfuck I wouldn't
>object to having them around. I think...
<snip>
Sorry, Barb. I have to object. There's a lot of other things these people
have to acknowledge. So many cases where they must say - 'Yes, we
split your family, but we did it because....' Because they believe the
paranoic ravings of a psychotic? Because. occasionally, it makes
them feel good? HA.
/hyperbole on/ As my sainted Grandma always
said: "the day the last auditor is hanged with the entrails of the last
Case Supervisor is the day we'll all dance a jig.." ?\hyperboleoff\
tam
Hartley Patterson
> Executive Summary: Defeat is absolutely certain (if for no other reason than
> that the current leadership are not immortal) because there is no achievable
> strategic definition of victory.
But there is: Clearing the Planet.
Scientology is Working. There are 9 million members now.
Oh sure, we know there aren't, but there will be real soon now.
We are all immortal thetans. We will return to continue our work.
> The absolute best they can hope for is that the critics will lose interest in
> them and go away.
Resistance is to be expected. As Scientology expands, so more SPs will
encounter Scientology and compulsively attack it. The increasing
opposition *proves* that Scientology is Working.
In any case, we *need* the critics. If they didn't exist, we'd have to
invent them. We have read '1984' you know.
> Fundamentally, CofS cannot prevail because there is no "them" to prevail
> against. They are a single more-or-less cohesively identifiable organization
> faced with not one but tens of thousands of opponents, all fighting on their
> own home turf, ALL of whom must be "ruined utterly" if planet-clearing is to
> proceed in peace and safety.
It will be a struggle, but eventually Scientology will have grown to the
point where it can exercise real political power. At that point... well,
we all know the eventual fate of SPs. They will be disposed of. And when
the CoS gets control of the implant stations and Xenu's long-lost
technology, they will be disposed of *permanently*.
Martin Hunt
>I predict that this newsgroup will fade away to almost nothing in one
>year if the Co$ back off from harassing Internet users and a.r.s.. It is
>beginning to fade already in terms of critical content.
Yes. Scientology made this newsgroup what it was. If Scn would
just live and let live, the newsgroup would die down and the
critical webpages would close down. The critical webpages shut
down all the time anyway, but with no incentive from the cult
to create more, eventually there would hardly be any left. Of
course, if they were to start up their sick and twisted little
harassment games again, they would mock up a whole new set of
critics and start the cycle all over again.
I'm not completely convinced that the reason why Miscavige and
crew work so hard to create alt.religion.scientology and create
critics is because Hubbard said so. I think part of it also
lies in their own psychology. At some level, Miscavige and his
lawyers know the whole thing is a fraud and they are con artists
because they perpetrate the fraud on others. Because they know
they are in the wrong at some level of their psyche, they feel
they must be punished, and so they mock up punishment. And that
is what this newsgroup is: punishment for Scientology's evil
deeds. Crooks often fall into this psychology of leaving clues
or loose ends to trip themselves up.
Of course, a much simpler tactic would be to stop committing
evil deeds, but aparently the leaders of the cult aren't
intelligent enough to realize the enormous benefits of playing
straight.
--
Cogito, ergo sum. http://scientologysucks.lron.com
Watch Xenu TV: http://www.xenutv.com
Go to a protest in your area: http://www.xenu.net/picket/
The premier Scientology webpage: www.xenu.net
Mr. Hamra said, "The Church of Scientology now had a database
of information on every subscriber which included names, credit
card info., credit reports, telephone info., computer info.,
who had referred them to Earthlink and who were their previous
ISP providers." Mr. Hamra told me about the "other Earthlink
building" which was next door on New York Avenue in Pasadena.
Mr. Hamra told me that the other building was high security and
is where Earthlink and the Church of Scientology did all the
monitoring of the internet. - DECLARATION OF ROBERT J. CIPRIANO.