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AndrewsERP

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99
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I'm thinking about upgrading from OS5.04 to OS5.05. Is there anything I should
know before I do this? I wasn't sure if there were any common installation
problems that I could look up before I do this. Any help would be appreicated.
Thanks in advance.

Pat Welch

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99
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For the 1st time in the Openserver 5.x series, an in-place upgrade
actually works, and works quite well when going from 5.0.4 to 5.0.5.

Of course, take the standard precautions and make sure you use one of
the 'super-tars' (Edge, Lone-tar et al) to make both emergency boot sets
and at least 2 bit-level verified backups prior to upgrading.

Don't try booting from the CDROM unless you have at least 64 MB of ram
installed. Any less than 64 boot from the diskettes.

Be sure to also install the current patches (os505A and several others
at this point - read the current list at sco.com) right after getting a
clean boot from the HD. Download images from SCO's site before the
upgrade so you can immediately apply them.

It might be a good idea to move all non-SCO binaries and scripts to
/usr/local/bin etc. (if you haven't already) to make future upgrades
easier to deal with.

Have fun!

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Jean-Pierre Radley

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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AndrewsERP averred (on Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 07:51:04PM +0000):

| I'm thinking about upgrading from OS5.04 to OS5.05. Is there anything I should
| know before I do this? I wasn't sure if there were any common installation
| problems that I could look up before I do this. Any help would be appreicated.
| Thanks in advance.

Upgrade by all means. Do not fall into the doing an in-place upgrade,
though; you won't get the Internet Manager, and other things may be a bit
off.

Run my savefiles script foirs (at ftp.jpr.com in the /pub directory).

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Jean-Pierre Radley <j...@jpr.com> XC/XT Custodian Sysop, CompuServe SCOForum

Tony Lawrence

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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AndrewsERP wrote:
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> I'm thinking about upgrading from OS5.04 to OS5.05. Is there anything I should
> know before I do this? I wasn't sure if there were any common installation
> problems that I could look up before I do this. Any help would be appreicated.

Common installation problems? Plenty. In almost all
situations, you'll be far happier if you install new rather
than doing the in-place upgrade. For help with that, see
http://www.aplawrence.com/Unixart/upgrade.html which
includes pointers to JP's indispensable savefiles script,
suggestions from Jeff Liberman and Bill Vermillon and
general advice on how to make this as painless as possible.

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AndrewsERP

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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hmmm..well I have a few problems. First, we don't have Lone-tar or BackupEdge,
we use a cpio script to do the backup and I usually use mkdev fd for the backup
floppies. Second, I'm not sure if our Unix box is set up for Internet use. I
haven't been doing this for very long and I only worked with the person who had
this job previously for about a day before she quit so I'm still trying to
figure out what we do/don't have. I'm still a newbie to SCO so I don;t want to
try anything too risky that will shut down our system. I know enough about Unix
to keep the system running but I'm still in the learning stages. I a bit
confused on whether or not to do a fresh install or not because some people say
yes and some say no. I would think that it would be less work by doing the in
place upgrade but I've never done it before so I don't know. Any more
suggestions? :)

Jamie

Jean-Pierre Radley

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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AndrewsERP averred (on Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 12:50:04PM +0000):


First, if you don't have Lone-Tar or BackupEDGE or CTAR or BRU, then you
should. They will make bit-verified backups. Cpio will not. If what
you're backing up is business data, then you are being pouind-wise and
penny-foolish.

Secondly, you asked in your original message about how to upgrade, and
the advice you got from people who have done many upgrades (IOW, we are
NOT newbies) was to eschew in-place upgrades and perform a fresh install.

Tom Parsons

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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AndrewsERP enscribed:

| hmmm..well I have a few problems. First, we don't have Lone-tar or BackupEdge,
| we use a cpio script to do the backup and I usually use mkdev fd for the backup
| floppies. Second, I'm not sure if our Unix box is set up for Internet use. I
| haven't been doing this for very long and I only worked with the person who had
| this job previously for about a day before she quit so I'm still trying to
| figure out what we do/don't have. I'm still a newbie to SCO so I don;t want to
| try anything too risky that will shut down our system. I know enough about Unix
| to keep the system running but I'm still in the learning stages. I a bit
| confused on whether or not to do a fresh install or not because some people say
| yes and some say no. I would think that it would be less work by doing the in
| place upgrade but I've never done it before so I don't know. Any more
| suggestions? :)

Then make your first purchase in your new position, a proper backup
utility, BackupEdge, LoneTar, Ctar, Bru.

Those of us who live in the world 7x24 do new installs because not only
is it less hassle, you do not get all of the new features with an upgrade.

The casual user is tempted to do the upgrade and soon wishes they had not.
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AndrewsERP

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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Ok well it sounds like I need to look into getting a better way of doing the
backup. I appreciate the advice. I have found out the hard way that the company
I work likes the "just enough to get by" option for everything and it is
frustrating. I have had to replace a lot of hardware in the last few months
because of this.

Tony Lawrence

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Jun 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/8/99
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> hmmm..well I have a few problems. First, we don't have Lone-tar or BackupEdge,

So download an eval copy. You get to use it for 60 or 90
days anyway, so you've got that long to convince your bosses
that they are idiots not to have this.

> we use a cpio script to do the backup and I usually use mkdev fd for the
> backup floppies. Second, I'm not sure if our Unix box is set up for Internet use.

What's that got do do with anything?

> haven't been doing this for very long and I only worked with the person who had
> this job previously for about a day before she quit so I'm still trying to
> figure out what we do/don't have. I'm still a newbie to SCO so I don;t want to
> try anything too risky that will shut down our system. I know enough about Unix
> to keep the system running but I'm still in the learning stages.

Then I would suggest that you are not prepared to do this on
any machine that is important. Hire somebody experienced to
help, or practice on other machines first. If this is an
important server, you do not want to fumble around.


>I a bit
> confused on whether or not to do a fresh install or not because some people say
> yes and some say no.

Nobody with any EXPERIENCE says anything but FRESH.

I don't know how many upgrades and installs JPR and Tom
Parsons have done, but I'm sure that they are in the same
ballpark as I am and I've done many hundreds, maybe even
thousands. I installed so many Xenix systems that I could
do it without a monitor, and later on most of those got
upgraded to Unix and laster to OSR5.


>I would think that it would be less work by doing the in
> place upgrade but I've never done it before so I don't know. Any more
> suggestions? :)

Since you haven't done it before, and we have (many of us
earn our livings doing installs and upgrades and
troubleshooting), why would you need any more advice?

Again, see http://www.aplawrence.com/Unixart/upgrade.html

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