eckenkar
Gavin Hall
scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
Austin Loomis
Gavin Hall <zagr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
I seem to remember reading somewhere, once below a time, that Paul "Peddar
Zaskq" Twitchell, the first (retroactively 971st) "Mahanta" of the Ancient
Pseudoscience of Soul Travel, ganked a lot of his material from Ron. As
such, ECKANKAR (tm) is considered a squirrel-grup and is on the SP List.
--
Austin Loomis, SP2, Provocation Section, PTS-J, joker and degrader
"...if anyone wants a monopoly on Dianetics, be assured that he wants
it for reasons which have to do not with Dianetics but with profit."
-- LRH, DMSMH, III.1 "The Mind's Protection," p.266 (1987 edition)
JimDBB
>From: zagr...@hotmail.com (Gavin Hall)
>Date: 5/24/99 9:58 AM Central
>does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
Eckankar or ECK as it is often known is the concoction of a former
scientologist, Paul Twitchell. Twitchell was an early scientolgist but ECK has
very little scientology in it. It is a nutty and destructive as scientology
but in a different way...having to do with meeting the ECK Masters on the
Astral Plane.
I remember well a chilling phone call with a British family whose daughter had
been lured into Eckankar by an American boy friend and this girl ended
up in a hospital in serious psychological trouble.
JimDBB
Bern - http://welcome.to/ars
wrote:
>does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
They are somehow related, but I don't quite remember how. Maybe the
guy was an ex-scieno?
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
gerry armstrong
wrote:
>In article <374968bc...@news.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com>,
>Gavin Hall <zagr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
>>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
>
>I seem to remember reading somewhere, once below a time, that Paul "Peddar
>Zaskq" Twitchell, the first (retroactively 971st) "Mahanta" of the Ancient
>Pseudoscience of Soul Travel, ganked a lot of his material from Ron. As
>such, ECKANKAR (tm) is considered a squirrel-grup and is on the SP List.
Twitchell was Hubbard's PR rep in Washington, DC, I think in the late
50's, early 60's. Twitchell worked on a project to find ways that
Buddhism parallelled $cientology because Hubbard was pursuing the
"religion angle" for his cult.
I'm certain Hubbard labelled Twitchell an enemy after he blew
$cientology and started Eckankar, which has been on $cientology's
destruction list ever since.
I'll bet Twitchell was pursuing his own religion angle.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Emerald
Gavin Hall <zagr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
Here is an interesting article on this subject:
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Roger Gonnet
374968bc...@news.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com...
> does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
> scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
One of the eckankar's masters has "studied" - he wrote - scientology, and
has a negative advice on him.
But something is quite certain: many ex-scienos are now eckists. Though they
don't, generally, dissemintae the excism like they did for scamaology. I
know personnaly at least ten of them in France.
roger
Roger Gonnet
gerry armstrong <arms...@dowco.com> a écrit dans le message :
3749ab09....@news.dowco.com...
> On 24 May 1999 16:09:27 GMT, ze...@dillinger-2.io.com (Austin Loomis )
> wrote:
>
> >In article <374968bc...@news.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com>,
> >Gavin Hall <zagr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
> >
"Peddar
> >Zaskq" Twitchell, the first (retroactively 971st) "Mahanta" of the
Ancient
> >Pseudoscience of Soul Travel, ganked a lot of his material from Ron. As
> >such, ECKANKAR (tm) is considered a squirrel-grup and is on the SP List.
>
> Twitchell was Hubbard's PR rep in Washington, DC, I think in the late
> 50's, early 60's. Twitchell worked on a project to find ways that
> Buddhism parallelled $cientology because Hubbard was pursuing the
> "religion angle" for his cult.
A newly converted from scientology to eckankar said to me that "Twitchell
had been declared an SP" in the eck system. He was yet more or less of a
scieno, as ECK does not practice anything like this.
>
> I'm certain Hubbard labelled Twitchell an enemy after he blew
> $cientology and started Eckankar, which has been on $cientology's
> destruction list ever since.
>
> I'll bet Twitchell was pursuing his own religion angle.
yeah. I have seen two meetings from eck: they were much more people than in
most scieno ones: scientology loses !
roger>
http://www.offlines.org
wel...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bern - http://welcome.to/ars) wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 1999 14:58:19 GMT zagr...@hotmail.com (Gavin Hall)
>
> >does anyone know is the eckenkar religion is related in any way to
> >scientology? I know thier both under suspicion...
>
> guy was an ex-scieno?
>
Eckankar is into Astral Travel, Barmpot - something with which you're
all too familiar, I'm afraid. Scamatology calls it "exteriorization".
Had any out of mind^H^H^H^Hbody experiences lately?
> Bernie
> http://welcome.to/ars
>
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Roger Gonnet
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Roger Gonnet
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Have we quickened him?
Roger Gonnet
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Roger Gonnet
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Roger Gonnet
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Roger Gonnet
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Roger Gonnet
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