What does Speed do?
White Cat
rating do? The only thing I've found is that it determines who goes
first each turn, which is pretty pointless. I read somewhere that
having a fast Pokemon out increases the change of a capture, is that
true? Also, I've gotten the impression from reading various posts that
having high Speed increases that chance that an enemy's attack will
miss. Could someone post a detailed summary of what it does?
BTW, I really appreciated the article on the Special rating, since I had
no idea what that was for, either.
Still lacking a manual...
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T. Martin
>This may sound like a dumb question, but what exactly does the Speed
>rating do? The only thing I've found is that it determines who goes
>first each turn, which is pretty pointless.
Well, it can make a difference if the move you want to use is
status-changing (puts them to sleep, paralyzes, etc.). The reason I think
Gengar whups so much ass is the Speed/Special combination (best in the game,
I think, save Mewtwo and Alakazam) applied to Hypnosis. He'll beat almost
anyone to the punch, and almost certainly put them to sleep.
The other time being first makes a big difference is when you and your
opponent are both about 1 hit away from fainting. Being first on that last
round makes all the difference in the world.
>I read somewhere that
>having a fast Pokemon out increases the change of a capture, is that
>true?
I've no idea. I find it hard to believe that there's any evidence for
this that is more than anecdotal.
>Also, I've gotten the impression from reading various posts that
>having high Speed increases that chance that an enemy's attack will
>miss. Could someone post a detailed summary of what it does?
I don't think anyone knows precisely how it works. Most people think
that the relative Speeds of battling pokemon has a lot to do with the Evade
"stat". The faster you are relative to your foe, the more likely you are to
hit with many moves, and the less likely he is to hit you. Accuracy also has
much to do with the particular move being used, though.
I've investigated the interaction between Speed and 1-hit KOs. I'll
append the meat of the research to this post.
Toby Martin
Azure Heights Research Staff
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For all these experiments I used a Seaking that knew Agility and Horn
Drill (pumped up to 8 PP). First victim was a Porygon whose Speed was only a
little lower than the Seaking's, and who knew Substitute, Recover, and
Agility. I used Substitute before getting Horn Drilled, so that the Porygon
wouldn't keep dying on me.
Under normal conditions (no use of Agility by either party), Horn Drill
hit 12/40 times, which interestingly works out to exactly the .30 accuracy
figure given by Prima's guide for all the 1-hit KOs.
Next I had Seaking use Agility 3 times (the max) before doing the Horn
Drill thing. Under this condition, Horn Drill hit 8/32 times, or .25. I
don't actually suspect that boosting Seaking's Speed made the move less
accurate - the discrepancy is probably just an artifact of the smaller
sample size. My conclusion: changing your Speed in the course of a battle
has no positive effect on the accuracy of 1-hit KOs. Bye-bye invincible
Rapidash (who is hella fast and can learn Agility and Horn Drill).
Next I had Porygon use Agility 2 times before Horn Drilling, and it hit
0/7 times. Odd thing: instead of the message "Seaking missed!", the message
"Porygon is unaffected!" came up. I then had Porygon use Agility once before
Horn Drilling, and it hit 0/16 times (same message given). Conclusion: you
can make yourself invulnerable to 1-hit KOs by being sufficiently fast
relative to your opponent. Sufficient Speed can be obtained either during
battle, or before battle (the same message came up when I tested Horn Drill
against a Raticate whose Speed was about twice that of Seaking).
Next I wondered whether you could increase your chances of hitting by
reducing the Speed of your opponent during battle. My first stab at this
involved using String Shot 6 times against Porygon (the max), and then using
Horn Drill. It only hit 2/8 times. Small sample size, I know, but I figure
if I was on to something, the results should have been fairly dramatic.
Then I wondered whether paralyzation (with the associated Speed
reduction) would increase vulnerability to 1-hit KOs. After Thunder Waving
Porygon, Horn Drill still only hit 2/13 times. Bye bye Invincible Dragonite
(who can learn Agility, Horn Drill, and Thunder Wave).
Ah, but the paralyzation story doesn't end there. I tried Thunder Waving
both the too-fast Raticate and the Agile Porygon, and the Horn Drill message
changed from "... is unaffected!" back to "... missed!". Conclusion:
reducing the Speed of your opponent in battle CAN eliminate it's
invulnerability to 1-hit KOs.
What remains to be learned: (1) exactly how much of a Speed advantage is
required to become invulnerable to 1-hit KOs? (2) does the accuracy of 1-hit
KOs improve much if your opponent's *initial* Speed is much lower than
yours? I had Seaking Horn Drill a Snorlax repeatedly, and it hit 9/21 times,
or .43. Possibly it would still be worth it to keep that Rapidash around, in
case your opponent is kicking your ass with a slow but powerful pokemon.
White Cat
> BTW, I really appreciated the article on the Special rating, since I
> had no idea what that was for, either.
I just noticed that the Pokezine article states that Rock attacks use
the Special rating, but I found some other posts that say it uses
Attack/Defense. I've also seen disagreement on which rating Ghost uses.
Can anyone confirm which rating usages are the correct ones?
- White Cat
M.W.F.
Rock and Ghost use the Attack/Defend ratings. This was proven through
experimentation.
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Dryad48
>rating do? The only thing I've found is that it determines who goes
>having a fast Pokemon out increases the change of a capture, is that
>having high Speed increases that chance that an enemy's attack will
>miss. Could someone post a detailed summary of what it does?
>
>article on the Special rating, since I had
>no idea what that was for, either.
>
Speed: It determines what pokemon will go first. People may think this is
useless, but it is probably one of the most important. Especially if the
trainer you are battling loves to use various sleep, confuse, and evade
tactics. I've heard it increases evade, but I never tested it out. Also, speed
increases the chances of running away from a pokemon succesfully.
Yiannis Arestis
the dream eater and it is almost always unharmed i took out 2 mew2s 2
venasuars a dragonite and a articuno all lvl 100 speed is a must cuz if i
went 2nd he woulda died
M.W.F.
If speed is an issue, go up against a LV 100 Electrode armed with
Thunder. (Say bye by eGengar ^_^)
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