$cientology
J Moye
Fredric L. Rice
>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
Only some versions of the Christian mythologies are free.
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Tarjei Straume
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:52 -0600, "J Moye" <J.M...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> >Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
>
> Only some versions of the Christian mythologies are free.
I guess you're referring to the Vatican library?
Tarjei
gerry armstrong
>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
>
It goes beyond the book.
Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
else paid for me."
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Russell Shaw
gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
__
I started out with nothing... I still have most of it.
It just doesn't get any better - than a post from Russell Shaw, Phoenix.
>
Paper Tiger
In Message-ID: <77s2dd$q46$1...@remarQ.com>,
"Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com> wrote:
>gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
>>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>>else paid for me."
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
You haven't read the fine-print, Russ.
The package deal the Christian bought is a non-stop flight to
eternity, leaving just as soon as he's dropped the body. He doesn't
have to stay over a Saturday for a lower rate, rack up frequent-flyer
miles for a better seat or take a connecting return flight through the
Martian Implant Station. He's got a one-way ticket.
Sounds to me like he found a better travel agent than you.
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Scully3428
>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>
>else paid for me."
Amen. :-)
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Place -- http://members.aol.com/scully3428/index.htm
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Scully3428
>>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>>
>>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>>else paid for me."
>>
>
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
Say, Russell....I have a question for you:
When has religion been about who has the better quips? Is that going to get
you into Heaven -- who can sound off better than the next person?
William Barwell
>
>gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
>
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>__
OK, Russ, prove there is another lifetime. Hard evidence now.
Here's a way to test. Hubbard claims we all have Fac One engrams.
See HOM, still required reading for OT8s. Now if we had seperate
Scientologists, and we teach them the basics of doing locationals,
all should locate Fac One as their first major implant as Hubbard claimed,
right?
Let the cult do this. Try it! They won't. And it's obvious why.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Barb
>
> gerry armstrong wrote in message
> >
> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
You will probably have "unspeakably horrible hands."
barb
>
> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
> __
RemoverL...@aol.com
©Anti-Cult® <The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com> wrote in article
<36b1a3e3...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>...
> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:15:28 -0700.
> In Message-ID: <77s2dd$q46$1...@remarQ.com>
> "Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com>.
> From: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here!.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: $cientology:
>
> >
> >gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
> >>On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:52 -0600, "J Moye" <J.M...@gte.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
> >>>
> >>It goes beyond the book.
> >>
> >>Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
> >>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
> >>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
> >>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
> >>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
> >>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
> >>
> >>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
> >>else paid for me."
> >>
> >>(c) Gerry Armstrong
> >
> >Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him
and
> >me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
> >__
>
>
I will tell you what Russ, if you can prove to me that you can remember
~this~ whole lifetime I will consider that you might be able to remember
the past and/or the next one. You aren't any different than any other group
that has claimed an esoteric monopoly on our souls. Until you can be a
perfect person in the next life you must be able to be a perfect person in
this one. Your ability to not be able to prove your magnificent memory
gives evidence of your perfect imperfections. Your ability to ~not~
confront Hubbard's past gives evidence toward your perfect nonconfrontation
of facts. Your are perfectly imperfect Russ. I guess that makes you mortal
like the rest of us. Join the crowd......
AndroidCat
>
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
Sure, no problem.
/\< of that ilk.
Valerie Emanuel
> >It goes beyond the book.
> >
> >Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
> >
> >Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
> >else paid for me."
> >
> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
I told you, Russ--we're not comin' back. We're going somewhere else.
But you go ahead & have a blast!
Valerie
Luker1080
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
This is really sad.
As pompous and arrogant as Russ often is, it's impossible not to feel
for someone so tragically deluded.
Just recently my ageing mother was reged for a 'final' intensive (many
10s of thousands of dollars) for 'next lifetime' preparation, and I
was pressed to pay for it since she can't.
That *really* pissed me off. I detest those bastards all the more
now.
Beverly Rice
> gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
> >Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
> >Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
> >else paid for me."
> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
Wow Russ, you are ~almost~ being honest about what the Co$ teaches.
Cool, "Christian Quip". That's almost as good as "Gothic Garbage"
I've heard it called by an OTV. Wow, your time at Co$land is
really bringing you out of your shell.
Come on, don't be afraid, spit it out. You are saying that Co$ provides
a better present life and "next" life than Christianity. It's okay,
just say it.
In Co$, it's taught that Christianity, or ~any~ other religion falls
short of the spiritual freedom for one's eternity that LRH provided,
~Source~ knows all. All hail LRH, the almighty and all knowing!!
Don't suck up to other religions and pussy foot around, come out and
say it, "YOUR belief falls short of LRH's teachings". Come on, you
have the benefit of the "False Purpose Rundown", you can do it, maybe,
just maybe.
Beverly
Podkayne-Xenu
> gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
> >On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:52 -0600, "J Moye" <J.M...@gte.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
> >>
> >It goes beyond the book.
> >
> >Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
> >
> >Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
> >else paid for me."
> >
> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
*You* have to come back and try again, *I'm* going to Heaven after this
life. Nyahh.
--
2,4,6,8 who do we enturbulate? Xenu! Xenu! Xenu!
Read more Heinlein
Russell Shaw
RemoveL...@aol.com wrote in message
<01c73a60$c67cfd60$6fd1d2ab@default>...
>
>
>©Anti-Cult® <The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com> wrote in article
><36b1a3e3...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>...
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:15:28 -0700.
>> In Message-ID: <77s2dd$q46$1...@remarQ.com>
>> "Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com>.
>> From: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here!.
>> Wrote on the subject: Re: $cientology:
>>
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:52 -0600, "J Moye" <J.M...@gte.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
>> >>>
>> >>It goes beyond the book.
>> >>
>> >>Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
>> >>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>> >>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>> >>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>> >>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>> >>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>> >>
>> >>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>> >>else paid for me."
>> >>
>> >>(c) Gerry Armstrong
>> >
>> >Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him
>and
>> >me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>>
>>
>
>
>I will tell you what Russ, if you can prove to me that you can remember
>~this~ whole lifetime I will consider that you might be able to remember
>the past and/or the next one. You aren't any different than any other group
>that has claimed an esoteric monopoly on our souls. Until you can be a
>perfect person in the next life you must be able to be a perfect person in
>this one.
There is no claim of being "perfect" (whatever THAT is!) but of having lived
before - and again.
>Your ability to not be able to prove your magnificent memory
>gives evidence of your perfect imperfections. Your ability to ~not~
>confront Hubbard's past gives evidence toward your perfect nonconfrontation
>of facts. Your are perfectly imperfect Russ. I guess that makes you mortal
>like the rest of us. Join the crowd......
>
I had already "joined". Living before and knowing I will again isn't even a
new idea or concept. Just because you can't remember - doesn't mean you
aren't coming back too.
Russell Shaw
Beverly Rice wrote in message <36A273...@iag.net>...
>> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>> >Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>> >else paid for me."
>
and
>> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
>Cool, "Christian Quip". That's almost as good as "Gothic Garbage"
>I've heard it called by an OTV. Wow, your time at Co$land is
>really bringing you out of your shell.
>
>Come on, don't be afraid, spit it out. You are saying that Co$ provides
>a better present life and "next" life than Christianity. It's okay,
>just say it.
>
>In Co$, it's taught that Christianity, or ~any~ other religion falls
>short of the spiritual freedom for one's eternity that LRH provided,
>~Source~ knows all. All hail LRH, the almighty and all knowing!!
>
>Don't suck up to other religions and pussy foot around, come out and
>say it, "YOUR belief falls short of LRH's teachings". Come on, you
>have the benefit of the "False Purpose Rundown", you can do it, maybe,
>just maybe.
>
>Beverly
Beverly,
Is it ever possible for you to see a post from me and NOT respond this way?
Russell Shaw
Paper Tiger wrote in message <1999011713461...@anon.efga.org>...
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>In Message-ID: <77s2dd$q46$1...@remarQ.com>,
>"Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com> wrote:
>>gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
>
>>>else paid for me."
>
>>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him
and
>>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
>
> The package deal the Christian bought is a non-stop flight to
> eternity, leaving just as soon as he's dropped the body. He doesn't
> have to stay over a Saturday for a lower rate, rack up frequent-flyer
> miles for a better seat or take a connecting return flight through the
> Martian Implant Station. He's got a one-way ticket.
>
> Sounds to me like he found a better travel agent than you.
If you actually believe that - then enjoy yourself. You have something
wonderful to look forward to.
__
I started out with nothing... I still have most of it.
It just doesn't get any better - than a post from Russell Shaw, Phoenix.
>
Russell Shaw
Valerie Emanuel wrote in message <36A24D56...@bellsouth.net>...
>Russell Shaw wrote:
>> >It goes beyond the book.
>> >
>> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>> >
>> >else paid for me."
>> >
>>
>> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him
and
>> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>>
>
>
>But you go ahead & have a blast!
>
>Valerie
Same to you, Valerie! :-)
Russell Shaw
Scully3428 wrote in message
<19990117095534...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>>>Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
>>>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>>>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>>>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>>>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>>>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>>>
>>>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>>>else paid for me."
>>>
>>>(c) Gerry Armstrong
>>
>>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him
and
>>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
>
>When has religion been about who has the better quips? Is that going to
get
>you into Heaven -- who can sound off better than the next person?
>
I have already conceded on the quip issue - and getting to heaven isn't my
goal.
gerry armstrong
wrote:
>
>gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
>>On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:12:52 -0600, "J Moye" <J.M...@gte.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Say what you will about Christianity; at least the book is free.
>>>
>>It goes beyond the book.
>>
>>Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
>>"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>>trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>>month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>>commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>>rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>>
>>Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>>else paid for me."
>>
>>(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
Russell:
This deserves a substantive response, which this isn't, including some
word clearing, but let me ask you first off, if you and the Christian
come back for a next lifetime, then you hardly achieved eternity,
wouldn't you say, but if you both did achieve eternity and did come
back for a next lifetime, then surely the Christian would be in the
better shape in the amount of $360,000, don't you think?
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Paper Tiger
In Message-ID: <77ukgc$2c2$1...@remarQ.com>,
"Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com> wrote:
>
>Paper Tiger wrote in message <1999011713461...@anon.efga.org>...
>> You haven't read the fine-print, Russ.
>>
>> The package deal the Christian bought is a non-stop flight to
>> eternity, leaving just as soon as he's dropped the body. He doesn't
>> have to stay over a Saturday for a lower rate, rack up frequent-flyer
>> miles for a better seat or take a connecting return flight through the
>> Martian Implant Station. He's got a one-way ticket.
>>
>> Sounds to me like he found a better travel agent than you.
>
>If you actually believe that - then enjoy yourself. You have something
>wonderful to look forward to.
Nah, I don't believe that any more than you do.
I believe that when we die - you, me, the Christian - we're DEAD, and
that's all there is. It's not very comforting, which is why it's not
a very popular belief system.
But like the Christian's belief, it has the advantage of being free.
What's "total freedom" going for by the hour at AOLA these days, Russ?
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Tommy
> In Message-ID: <77s2dd$q46$1...@remarQ.com>,
> "Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com> wrote:
> >gerry armstrong wrote in message <36a10036....@news.dowco.com>...
>
> >>else paid for me."
>
> >me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
>
> The package deal the Christian bought is a non-stop flight to
> eternity, leaving just as soon as he's dropped the body. He doesn't
> have to stay over a Saturday for a lower rate, rack up frequent-flyer
> miles for a better seat or take a connecting return flight through the
> Martian Implant Station. He's got a one-way ticket.
>
> Sounds to me like he found a better travel agent than you.
Now, what does that do to the claim that "scientology is compatable with
all religions"?
Russ is just sore because he got poked in a sensitive place - that fact
that he's been taken for a lot of money - even more just recently. His
recent fleecing must be fresh in his non-reactive mind, and his freshly
sheared flesh raw and irritable.
Tommy
--
'I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys.'
Hubbard, 1967 letter to his wife submitted to the court in the
Armstrong
case, authenticity unchallenged by LRH/CoS lawyers
Mike O'Connor
[...]
> I have already conceded on the quip issue - and getting to heaven isn't my
> goal.
OK. Heaven is a delusion, implanted into us. I figure that is the belief
based on LRH's scripture about his visits to heaven. Have I got that right
so far? If not, please explain how LRH would view Heaven - if he weren't
so very dead.
What is your goal? Not Heaven, I can certainly understand that. What is
it? Total freedom from the shackles of Matter, Energy, Space and Time? To
be godlike, powerful as you once were, able to master Matter, Energy,
Space and Time the way you used to? To get back to your home planet? To
know true SANITY by getting your brain back from the influincing of the
ALIEN MIND IMPLANTS, from the trauma of Incidents I and II, to reach a
true serenity of beingness?
What is your goal? TIA.
--
Mike O'Connor - lep...@panix.com
<http://www.panix.com/~lepton/>
Dave Bird
<n...@cos.con> writes
>"Russell Shaw" <rs...@dancris.com> wrote:
>
>>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>
Well, after they have lived this one life and died, it is hard to
say which will be in better shape. As Shakespeare observed, tanners
tend to resist decomposition longer because they have tanned their
own skin tough with chemicals. But all feed the worms, and end up
kinda worm shaped.
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Unknown
<jema...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Russell Shaw wrote:
>> >It goes beyond the book.
>> >
>> >Ask a $cientologist how much his "eternity" cost and he should say,
>> >"with my IAS discount, if I just go for the eternity route not get
>> >trained, if I purchase the whole package now, because it goes up every
>> >month, figuring in a couple of review intensives, give or take a
>> >commission or two, and provided they don't come up with even more
>> >rundowns before I get to eternity, right around $360,000."
>> >
>> >Ask a Christian how much his eternity cost and he'd say, "Zip. Someone
>> >else paid for me."
>> >
>> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
>>
>> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
>>
>
>I told you, Russ--we're not comin' back. We're going somewhere else.
>
>But you go ahead & have a blast!
Wow! I'm glad to hear that cuz I am coming back here to repair the
damage that you did. BTW if you are driving one of LRH's locomotives
on your way there, please drive carefully because I'll be walking.
roxthefox1
SP3 and Proud
>
>Valerie
When the chips are down the buffalo move on.
DeoMorto
>
>>Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
>>me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
well I for one cannot resist this.
OK Russell tell you what - why not give us the names and locations of your
last three lifetimes? This should be fairly easy stuff for a committed person
like you. So why not give us - name, location, lifespan date of births and date
of deaths? Oh yeah and full name.
should be a piece of cake eh?
DeoMorto - the truly censored.
NoScieno
>
> Even if the Christian quip is faster and sounds better - check with him and
> me *next* lifetime, and see who is in better shape.
Just so all the new folks know where ol' Russ is coming from... and where
he imagines we're going.
Note Hubbard's use of the word "evidently."
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF MAY 11, AD13
Central Orgs,
Franchise
ROUTINE 3
HEAVEN
Well, I have been to Heaven.
And I've found that Scientologists have been to Heaven.
And that everybody has evidently been to Heaven.
The Goals Problem Mass implants, which are the apparent basic
source of aberration and human travail, which begin with the goal To
Forget, were cynically done "in Heaven".
For a long time, people have been cross with me for my
lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ.
I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was
certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to
apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the
heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else,
dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so.
Yes, I've been to Heaven. And so have you. And you
have the pattern of its implants in the HCO Bulletin Line Plots. It was
complete with gates, angels and plaster saints - and electronic
implantation equipment. So there was a Heaven after all - which is why
you are on this planet and were condemned never to be free again
- until Scientology.
Before you went to Heaven you were not really very bad
or very good, but you didn't think you had lived only once and you had a
good memory and knew who you were and enjoyed life. Afterwards ---
The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed.
It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed.
> __
> I started out with nothing... I still have most of it.
Sorry to hear that, Russ.
> It just doesn't get any better - than a post from Russell Shaw, Phoenix.
Yeah, I bet you're a real hero among your circle.
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Mike O'Connor
chino...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36A2B759...@smart.NOSPAMnet>,
> ze...@smart.net wrote:
> >
> > Robert is saying that the posts are not coming from
> > where the other posters say they are coming.
>
> the ones that are known to have been forged in her name were ones that
> parodied her views and were not for one minute believed to have come from her
> by any NG regular, all of whom are quite familiar with what esther's views
> are and are not on the issue. robert's mentioning the forgeries is a
> distraction from the point: the g-d=tao posts indisputably came from her.
> she only objected to the parody ones, not to the g-d=tao ones, which she
> claims authorship of with no reluctance.
This is something I had begun to suspect over the past few days -
only to have this verified from unwanted e-mail from Esther, herself.
> you are being bamboozled by robert's mentioning the forgeries; they are
> relevant, but not in the way you have said.
Well, I *was*, but not anymore!
> > > IMO what this "esther" promotes so
> > > aggressively on our NG is not one bit different from, say, a "messianic jew"
> > > coming into a jewish NG and instead of typing "G-d", insisting on typing out
> > > each time "G-d"/"Holy Trinity"
> >
> > Only if what she is doing is off-topic for your NG.
>
> it is, every bit as much as when you yourself recently admonished a christian
> poster that they might want to change their .sig file before posting again to
> SCJ.
Well, as I told another poster - good luck trying to get
AOL to do *anything* about it - we have AOL
idiots that we absolutely cannot get rid of.
> > Whether or not it is rude is for you to decide.
>
> the majority of posters have been very clear on this - yes, it -is- rude.
>
> > What we think can have no bearing on it -
> > it's not our newsgroup.
>
> but you can help us understand whether, as she claims, what she does really is
> what she "must" do as a jew. she says that, you know.
Oh, then, let me make myself clear: if she says this,
she is absolutely & 110% wrong.
> > > so now you and robert tell me. am i in fact being an antisemite by finding
> > > her actions
> >
> > This is where I have a problem with the complaints coming from your
> > group. You put words in peoples' mouths. Please find where I called
> > anyone an anti-semite
>
> you, susan, did not use that word. but you seemed to imply that you accepted
> robert's post at face value, and robert, in his post (which appears in full at
> the top of this post), indeed characterized those on our taoist NG who oppose
> esther's proselytization of her own seeming blend of new age judaism as being
> "antisemites".
I certainly didn't mean to even *imply* that - I was pretty sure
there was just mass confusion and an innocent person was
being vilified because of it. This, of course, was not the case.
Susan