Ralph, Cathy, the Bank Fire and the RPF
gerry armstrong
I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
timely.
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:05:02 -0800, "G. SCARFF"
<gar...@earthlink.net> wrote in msg re 12/28/98 OSA history:
>DeoMorto wrote:
>
>> My apologies for not quoting the headers from the original article -
>> unfortunately thanks to the inefficiency of this aol version I have I cannot
>> get back to it unless I wade through the oceans of spam which I do not wish to
>> do.
>
>> First off Rinder is not an "ally" of DM, he is, at best, an acolyte.
>
>Mike is indeed an ally of DM.
>
>> When the GO was torpedoed Rinder was, I believe, in the RPF though I could be
>> wrong about that.
>
>The only time I'm aware Mike was in RPF was when he was blamed for one of the
>Scientology properties catching fire and causing extensive damage.
I wrote:
Are you sure it was not Cathy Rinder? Or did both she and Mike start
fires?
I'll check.
And a week earlier:
On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:05:59 GMT, ra...@hilton.org (Ralph Hilton)
wrote in msg ABC show - my commentary
>During the time I spent on the RPF I was there on my own decision however insane
>that might seem to others.
So this is an opportunity to discuss Ralph's RPF assignment.
This discussion might be useful to Jeff Jacobsen, who, I recall, was
some time back looking for information on Scientology's fires.
Ralph, are the following data accurate?
In May, 1977 there was a serious fire in the $cientology office
building in Clearwater, where I was at that time the RPF Bosun. You
and Cathy Rinder were assigned to the RPF for your parts in the
causation of the fire. A secret, undistributed FCOassigned you and
Cathy because it was thought that any admission of negligence on the
organization's part would jeopardize the insurance claim. I saw the
issue because I had to accept you into the RPF.
Can you provide details of what exactly happened?
I believe that, using normal terms and societal norms, and if I've got
your assignment facts somewhere close to accurate, you were not in the
RPF on your own decision. You were assigned there as punishment, just
as a person assigned by a state court to prison, for the commission of
a crime and perhaps even as a result of negligence, is there for
punishment. He is there on his own decision, in that he did whatever
he did, even by merely being there and communicating, but that is
beyond normal terms and societal norms.
You did not decide to start a fire, or whatever you did, in
furtherance of your decision to be on the RPF. You would rather the
fire had not started. You were compelled by organization order and
might to be on the RPF.
The fact that you benefited from your time in the RPF, is not a
testament to the RPF's powers of spiritual rehabilitation but to the
ability of the spirit to survive in and triumph over any slavery
anywhere. Non-opposition to RPF assignments is something like being
dragged by a horse in the direction it's going. It's better than the
other possibilities.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Ralph Hilton
wrote:
(posted & mailed)
>
>I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
>timely.
>
>I wrote:
>
>Are you sure it was not Cathy Rinder? Or did both she and Mike start
>fires?
It was Cathy
>
>I'll check.
>
>And a week earlier:
>
>On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:05:59 GMT, ra...@hilton.org (Ralph Hilton)
>wrote in msg ABC show - my commentary
>
>>During the time I spent on the RPF I was there on my own decision however insane
>>that might seem to others.
>
>So this is an opportunity to discuss Ralph's RPF assignment.
>
>This discussion might be useful to Jeff Jacobsen, who, I recall, was
>some time back looking for information on Scientology's fires.
>
>Ralph, are the following data accurate?
>
>In May, 1977 there was a serious fire in the $cientology office
>building in Clearwater, where I was at that time the RPF Bosun. You
>and Cathy Rinder were assigned to the RPF for your parts in the
>causation of the fire. A secret, undistributed FCOassigned you and
>Cathy because it was thought that any admission of negligence on the
>organization's part would jeopardize the insurance claim. I saw the
>issue because I had to accept you into the RPF.
Yes except that I don't recall anything in the issue about "because it was
thought that any admission of negligence on the organization's part would
jeopardize the insurance claim"
>Can you provide details of what exactly happened?
The fire started in an electrical switchbox in an office on the 2nd floor
probably caused by a bad connection in the wiring behing the board.
At first I thought the smoke was from a fault in the air conditioner motor
so didn't immediately call the fire department. This was the reason for the
RPF assignment. Cathy saw the smoke and for whatever reason didn't set off
alarms nor call the fire dept. and was assigned to the RPF for this.
>I believe that, using normal terms and societal norms, and if I've got
>your assignment facts somewhere close to accurate, you were not in the
>RPF on your own decision. You were assigned there as punishment, just
>as a person assigned by a state court to prison, for the commission of
>a crime and perhaps even as a result of negligence, is there for
>punishment. He is there on his own decision, in that he did whatever
>he did, even by merely being there and communicating, but that is
>beyond normal terms and societal norms.
>
>You did not decide to start a fire, or whatever you did, in
>furtherance of your decision to be on the RPF. You would rather the
>fire had not started. You were compelled by organization order and
>might to be on the RPF.
I accepted the findings of the FCO and agreed that there was a degree of
incorrect evaluation on my part which could have contributed to the extent
of the final damage due to delays. I therefore decided to accept the RPF
assignment and to that extent was there on my own decision.
>The fact that you benefited from your time in the RPF, is not a
>testament to the RPF's powers of spiritual rehabilitation but to the
>ability of the spirit to survive in and triumph over any slavery
>anywhere. Non-opposition to RPF assignments is something like being
>dragged by a horse in the direction it's going. It's better than the
>other possibilities.
I would differ. I found the auditing on the RPF and the experience I gained
as a co-auditor and review auditor personally rewarding. These things for me
outweighed the bad aspects of the RPF.
--
Ralph Hilton
http://Ralph.Hilton.org
r_p...@my-dejanews.com
arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
>
> I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
> timely.
You are not talking about Ralph Dorian - again, are you?
Richard
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>In article <36967727....@news.dowco.com>,(gerry armstrong) wrote:
>>
>> I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
>> timely.
>
>You are not talking about Ralph Dorian - again, are you?
No, he was referring to an incident involving Ralph Hilton (he and
his colleague were RPF'ed for being negligent in spotting and reporting
an electrical fault which led to a serious fire).
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gerry armstrong
>In article <36967727....@news.dowco.com>,
> arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
>>
>> I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
>> timely.
>
>You are not talking about Ralph Dorian - again, are you?
No, and you know what? I didn't even think of Ralph Dorian when I
wrote the subject line. A short month ago I would have properly
distinguished Mr. Hilton.
This is not to in any way slight or otherwise tick off Mr. Dorian. I
had been meaning to ask the Dorian Ralph about a bunch of other things
(and I have the faith that we will meet in person sometime soon) but
not about the Clearwater bank fire.
Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
Ralph Hilton
wrote:
>Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
>did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
>of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
>said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
>Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
>
>(c) Gerry Armstrong
You have chosen to become offensive and twist what I said.
You seem to have become remarkably ignorant of the politics of the time.
Involvement with local authorities was always a last resort and my actions
were moderated by that.
I was very quiet during my days in the S.O. I found something valuable in
the tech and was unwilling to risk it by openly stating my disagreements.
I was also unwilling to rise to any position of power.
I am very suspicious of those persons who used to do those same things that
DM is now accused of doing. Then, when they lost their position they whine
about how horrible the CofS is.
I don't like it when people who were high up in the hierarchy appear on
a.r.s. and expect people to believe their tales of oppression when they were
the ones creating it.
You were married to Terri. She was very close to Hubbard. You were right at
the top and knew about all the shit going on and participated in it.
Jesse was number 2. He was in there with DM committing the crimes.
Now suddenly these past associates of Miscarriage are granted amnesty here
because he kicked them out and they start bleating on a.r.s.
I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
in the power struggles.
roger gonnet
Ralph Hilton wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:53:07 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
> wrote:
>
> >Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
> >did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
> >of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
> >said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
> >Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
> >
> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> You have chosen to become offensive and twist what I said.
>
> You seem to have become remarkably ignorant of the politics of the time.
>
> Involvement with local authorities was always a last resort and my actions
> were moderated by that.
>
> I was very quiet during my days in the S.O. I found something valuable in
> the tech and was unwilling to risk it by openly stating my disagreements.
> I was also unwilling to rise to any position of power.
>
> I am very suspicious of those persons who used to do those same things that
> DM is now accused of doing. Then, when they lost their position they whine
> about how horrible the CofS is.
There is a heavy distintion to make here: though some (me, between
others) were not reluctant to use power jobs while in scientology, they
were not ready to use it criminally like it's done now. Not brainwashed
enough, probably. Or not cynic enough.
roger
Spiritual Research Workgroup
>Now suddenly these past associates of Miscarriage are granted amnesty here
>because he kicked them out and they start bleating on a.r.s.
>
>I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
>in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
>in the power struggles.
People with big visions and goals sometimes compromise their integrity
if they think this will bring them closer to the goal. It goes like this:
"I just have to endure until I am in the position where I am the one
who decides how things are to be done. Then I will change everything
and we will have an ideal scene."
Of course the slavedrivers know this and exploit their energy until
it is exhausted and the integrity compromises become too heavy
to be continued.
The people you are talking about have one important role: They speak
out and, I hope, the truth. The black confusion inside the church
becomes transparent. This way they fulfil the group auditor's role
for the many who were involved without understanding what precisely
was going on in the inner circles.
That they have contributed to the nightmare, and longer than they
can now justify it, is their personal cross. They will have to
find a way to make up for it, if they want to have inner peace
again one day. I believe that their activity of writing down what
happened can be counted as a part of this.
Heidrun Beer
Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at
Tommy
> I am very suspicious of those persons who used to do those same things that
> DM is now accused of doing. Then, when they lost their position
It seems that *everybody* in the upper levels eventually loses their
position. Sometimes through refusing to do the bad things they are told
to do, or *finally* refusing to do them.
> they whine about how horrible the CofS is.
"Whine"? Funny, that sounds almost like something that wgert would say.
>
> I don't like it when people who were high up in the hierarchy appear on
> a.r.s. and expect people to believe their tales of oppression when they were
> the ones creating it.
You don't like it? Perhaps they should just run away and hide after they
get out. DM would agree with you on this.
> Jesse was number 2. He was in there with DM committing the crimes.
And has expressed real chagrin about the things he did while "under the
influence". He's ready to make amends by telling what he knows - not
here - in court. Why would you have a problem with that? Do you think he
needs to do some type of penance?
>
> Now suddenly these past associates of Miscarriage are granted amnesty here
> because he kicked them out and they start bleating on a.r.s.
They cannot be granted anmesty here. This is a USENET newsgroup, not the
Hague.
"Bleating on a.r.s."? More wgert-speak.
>
> I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
> in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
> in the power struggles.
Then don't ask them over for dinner.
Tommy
--
"If there were any OT's, none of this would be happening."
Arnie Lerma, to a security guard at the Ft.Harrison during the 1998
pickets
Xapped
> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:53:07 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
> wrote:
>
> >Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
> >did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
> >of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
> >said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
> >Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
> >
> >(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> You have chosen to become offensive and twist what I said.
>
> You seem to have become remarkably ignorant of the politics of the time.
>
> Involvement with local authorities was always a last resort and my actions
> were moderated by that.
>
> I was very quiet during my days in the S.O. I found something valuable in
> the tech and was unwilling to risk it by openly stating my disagreements.
> I was also unwilling to rise to any position of power.
>
> I am very suspicious of those persons who used to do those same things that
> DM is now accused of doing. Then, when they lost their position they whine
> about how horrible the CofS is.
>
> I don't like it when people who were high up in the hierarchy appear on
> a.r.s. and expect people to believe their tales of oppression when they were
> the ones creating it.
>
> You were married to Terri. She was very close to Hubbard. You were right at
> the top and knew about all the shit going on and participated in it.
>
> Jesse was number 2. He was in there with DM committing the crimes.
>
> Now suddenly these past associates of Miscarriage are granted amnesty here
> because he kicked them out and they start bleating on a.r.s.
>
> I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
> in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
> in the power struggles.
Do you rationalize that you didn't lose anything because you had no power
to begin with? The term "losers" may be a matter of personal opinion,
after all.
Whatever yours and Gerry's personal experiences are, the fact remains that
Gerry Armstrong is BASIC-BASIC on Scientology's chain of engrams in
exposing L. Ron Hubbard as a charlatan.
Joe C.
My response to the Scientology attack on Germany is contained in the
documentation on Scientology in German-speaking countries at website:
http://cisar.org
Lin...@internetdrive.com
arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:51:27 GMT, r_p...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >In article <36967727....@news.dowco.com>,
> > arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
> >>
> >> I had been meaning to ask Ralph about this for some time, and now is
> >> timely.
> >
> >You are not talking about Ralph Dorian - again, are you?
>
> No, and you know what? I didn't even think of Ralph Dorian when I
> wrote the subject line. A short month ago I would have properly
> distinguished Mr. Hilton.
>
> This is not to in any way slight or otherwise tick off Mr. Dorian. I
> had been meaning to ask the Dorian Ralph about a bunch of other things
> (and I have the faith that we will meet in person sometime soon) but
> not about the Clearwater bank fire.
Ralph Dorian reportedly is in California, right? When are you coming to
California?
> Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
> did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
> of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
> said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
> Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
I do too.
Check with Bob and let us know, will you?
I ask you because Bob never answers any questions on ARS but you do.
> (c) Gerry Armstrong
>
> >
> >Richard
Linda Sullivan
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."Einstein
Ralph Hilton
>>
>> I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
>> in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
>> in the power struggles.
>
>Do you rationalize that you didn't lose anything because you had no power
>to begin with? The term "losers" may be a matter of personal opinion,
>after all.
>
>Whatever yours and Gerry's personal experiences are, the fact remains that
>Gerry Armstrong is BASIC-BASIC on Scientology's chain of engrams in
>exposing L. Ron Hubbard as a charlatan.
We might possibly disagree on the definition of the word "fact"
Ralph Hilton
>Sheldon wrote of his salt chlorinator,
See how trouble begins -- I wrote no such thing. And anyway, that's not what I
call it! ;)
this is not new to those of us
>in Sunny Aus, we may not salt our roads but we have for a long time
>salted our pools.
>From all my readings of your answers to my question about kosher salt I
>have gained a lot of useful answers and I thank you all.
>As for rock salt,(as per Bevin a fellow Australian) it is what I use
>and a lot of other Australians use in their salt grinders, it is mild
>and quite like the kosher salt my sister obtained for me. I also
>did a taste test with my "Margarita salt", (thanks Harry and Rick!),
>from now on it is ground salt or kosher salt for my margarita's. A
>favourite drink for us as we sit in our salt spa and look at the stars.
>The iodized salt was considerably more bitter and metallic than either
>the kosher or rock salt.
>Just for an added bit of info, my kosher salt is a product of the USA,
>but it is certainly not what I would consider coarse, tinniest bigger
>crystal size (definitely not flakes) larger than my normal iodized
>(cheap stuff!) that I used to use for my Margaritas. Also rock salt is
>used quite frequently here under a bed of oysters, purely as support
>for the varying shaped shells, but is quite effective and adds a very
>attractive presentation.
>--
>Love Cyberflissy.
>
Sheldon
````````````
On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line:
"I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."
Roland
When I was a clam I asked about an autobiography of Hubbard that
would clear up the doubt once and for all. I was told that one was
being prepared. It never saw the light of day, though. Now we know
why.
Roland
Xapped
> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:22:12 -0500, Xapped <ronsm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
> >> in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
> >> in the power struggles.
> >
> >Do you rationalize that you didn't lose anything because you had no power
> >to begin with? The term "losers" may be a matter of personal opinion,
> >after all.
> >
> >Whatever yours and Gerry's personal experiences are, the fact remains that
> >Gerry Armstrong is BASIC-BASIC on Scientology's chain of engrams in
> >exposing L. Ron Hubbard as a charlatan.
>
> We might possibly disagree on the definition of the word "fact"
Gerald Armstrong's persecution is not something he, himself, created. It
is an adverse reaction by the Church of Scientology to the exposure of the
true story of the life of L. Ron Hubbard, in which Armstrong played a
major role.
r_p...@my-dejanews.com
(Nancree) writes:
>
>>
>>I am not trying to be combative, believe me; but in point of fact only
>>citizens of the U.S. are called Americans.
>==================
>Yes, and there's no need to be aplogetic about it; There's a good reason.
> We are the only country in North or South America with the word "America"
>in
>our name.
>"United States of *America* ."
> That's the reason that the name , "America",
>has come to be used to mean the USA.
>It wasn't co-opted out of arrogance--it just happened naturally. Just a
>matter
>of name recognition, that's all.
>Respectfully,
>Nancree
i suppose i should be concerned that you are allowed to roam the streets
without your keeper, but your babbling would alert us to your presence before
the stench of your bigotry reached our noses. how truly crass for you to
blithely tell the world that we are naturally americans, while harry is only,
shudder, a canadian. your faulty logic is vaguely reminiscent of the people
wearing sheets with holes in their heads. 1+1= 3. what is natural to your pea
sized brain is just plain stupid to others. how can you write such drivel and
end each missive with "respectfully?"
Alan
The difference between being diplomatic and undiplomatic is the difference
between saying "when I look at you, time stands still", and saying "your face
would stop a clock". Anon
Remove "FinnFan" to send mail.
Roland
2: tab bodhrán to shreds
alternatively:
1: Take bodhrán
2: Hit yourself over the head with it
warning: repeated hitting may cause brain damage(but shouldn't matter)
What's the difference between a bodhrán and an onion? No one cries when chop
up a bodhrán.
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}On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:53:07 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
}wrote:
}
}>Now that you mention that Ralph, however, I am reminded that the fire
}>did start mysteriously. As did, he said, $cientology, to say nothing
}>of himself. We know where Ralph Hilton was, goofing the floof, he
}>said, by not alarming the fire department. But we don't know where
}>Ralph Dorian was. I wonder if he's still alive and well.
}>
}>(c) Gerry Armstrong
}
}You have chosen to become offensive and twist what I said.
Ralph,
One could accuse Gerry of various things, but being offensive isn't one of them.
}You seem to have become remarkably ignorant of the politics of the time.
}
}Involvement with local authorities was always a last resort and my actions
}were moderated by that.
That was a typical situation based on my experience.
}I was very quiet during my days in the S.O. I found something valuable in
}the tech and was unwilling to risk it by openly stating my disagreements.
}I was also unwilling to rise to any position of power.
So, you became a creepy little weasel boy in order to remain in the SO. You violated
the tenets of the group by remaining a member under those conditions. You were a
sneaky lying pretender then and I believe that you're a sneaky lying pretender now.
}I am very suspicious of those persons who used to do those same things that
}DM is now accused of doing. Then, when they lost their position they whine
}about how horrible the CofS is.
You go right ahead and be suspicious Ralph. But you fail to realize that the reason
many former high-ranking members lost their position was because they _refused_ to
perform the abusive acts that you accuse them of. None of us are perfect, Ralph,
your messiah Ron said so. I can't decide if you're simply trying to be obnoxious in
making this statement or if you're applying some bizarre form of rationalization to
make it real in your "universe". Either way it's yet another aspect of your
multifaceted creepiness.
}I don't like it when people who were high up in the hierarchy appear on
}a.r.s. and expect people to believe their tales of oppression when they were
}the ones creating it.
And I don't like it when people like you go out of their way to bury their nose in
scientology's collective ass. All of us who were in scientology made mistakes, and
we didn't have to be a top executive to commit abuses. I was never an executive but
I made my contribution. I sat in session and extracted confessions from people. I
watched the perverted abreactive therapy called auditing kill the sanity of someone I
cared about and blamed _her_ for it. If she saw me on the street today and spit in
my face I would know why she did and I wouldn't blame her. I would apologize to her
and ask her forgiveness.
}You were married to Terri. She was very close to Hubbard. You were right at
}the top and knew about all the shit going on and participated in it.
}Jesse was number 2. He was in there with DM committing the crimes.
Okay, so Gerry and Jesse made mistakes too. They were good indoctrinated drone like
the rest of us. I guess you believe that you were above all that. The truth is that
you didn't have the courage to either be a true member of the group, or speak up
about what you perceived as misconduct. You just hid and watched.
}Now suddenly these past associates of Miscarriage are granted amnesty here
}because he kicked them out and they start bleating on a.r.s.
Poor Ralph, he can't even be a good apostate. You're beyond pathetic. I won't go so
far as to accuse you of having a propensity for violence but it's my impression that
your mentality is precisely the type that might take a notion to barricade itself in
a clock tower with a high-powered rifle and lots of ammunition.
}I don't buy it and I do not trust those who held former positions of power
}in the CofS and now complain about how bad it was after they became losers
}in the power struggles.
I'm sure the feeling of distrust is mutual Ralphie. And btw, your last paragraph
reeks of sour grapes.
Ishmael
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Doubts of all things earthly, and intuitions of some things heavenly; this
combination makes neither believer nor infidel, but makes a man who regards
them both with equal eye.--Herman Melville
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Rinder will blow 09:30 GMT 10 Feb., 1999
Ralph Hilton
>> I understand the yeast and sugar thing, tried fruit juice, nothing
>> worked yet, trying fructos next, does anyone know the formula for
>> substituting fruit for sugar in a scratch bread recipe??????? thanks,
Yeast eats sugar and makes gas - it's the gas (CO2) that causes bread
to rise. No sugar = no rise = unleavened bread.
Charlie
gerry armstrong
<369A630D...@home.com>...
> When I win the lottery, I think I am just going to buy Marvel lock, stock
and
> barrel. (how much would that be anyway? millions? 10's millions?
> 100's of millions?)
I think the value of the 100% of Marvel's stock before Chapter 11 was
around $1 billion.
> The first thing I would do is give everyone a raise, I have know idea how
much
> editors and creators make but I certain its not enough. Then I'd give my
> favourites a huge bonus - no strings attached (well, I guess they would
have
> to not to retire because I gave them so much:) )
I advise to lower the pay of every penciller, especially those who need a
fill-in every 4 issues (ahem Adam Kubert ahem). In fact, if an artist is
not capable of producing (producing, not actually doing) two on-goings a
month I would consider releasing him from any previous commitment.
> I would insist that writers get more creative freedom (Powers is so
fired) but
> at the same time there would have to be a 'master plan' that is not all
> encompassing but at least keeps every one on the same path.
Agreed.
> Alpha Flight would be totally uncanceled along with H4H and Kelly would
stay
> on Deadpool until either he died or went insane (and even then...)
With me, Marvel would produce around 40-45 monthly books, plus mini-series
and pf one-shots.
> Gatefolds would absolutely be reinstated and improved upon (perhaps
> referencing specific issues the pertinent back story was in).
No need to improve the gatefolds, but get someone else other than ComiCraft
to do the design.
> I am not sure if I would want 'final approval' on everything, certainly I
> would like to have input and some control over the overall direction but
then
> I am not a writer.
>
> That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
>
> Any suggestions before I go ahead and do this?
Apart from my own, instead of paying Richard Starkings every month just to
have typos, buy the CD with the fonts and get in-house workers to do the
lettering.
--
Paulo Costa
Please visit the Marvel Credits List page at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/4489/mclist/Entry.htm
Keith Henson
rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe
I think I will wonder over there and post a suggestion they start using
www.xenu.net in their sig lines and why.
Eventually, all of usenet will get exposed to Xenu and Company. A comic
group seems particularly appropriate. Keith Henson
PS, I located some help in the last group they stole material from.
Keith Henson
Carol Mahoney wrote:
> . When I was feeding 3 teen-age boys, the objective was to fill
> them up long enough to get to the grocery store again for more supplies. At
> one point I decided grocery shopping was the most futile of all endeavors. We
> were ALWAYS out of food. I was ready to have the boys stand at the end of the
> conveyor belt and eat the food as it came through the check-out, to save me
> the trouble of bagging it and hauling it home.
NO kidding!!! I need two days to do my groceries with my crew!
I'm Dolly Short for Dolores. My man and I are both writers/editors/marketing
freelancers living in the middle of Saskatchewan with a retreat in White Rock BC.
We have 5 children 17, 14, 5,3,1. Only the 3 year old is a girl.
We love eating everything, but particularly partial to Asian and Indian cooking.
I'm just new to hanging around rfc but it has provided me with lots of
inspiration.
Dolly
Keith Henson
Roland
>On 14 Jan 1999 06:52:11 GMT, alz...@aol.comFinnFan (ALZELT) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <19990113175923...@ngol04.aol.com>, penm...@aol.com
>>(PENMART10) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In article <369d08d7...@news.wcc.net>, rdy...@wcc.net (Bob Y.)
>writes:
>>>
>>>>On 13 Jan 1999 18:41:13 GMT, penm...@aol.com (PENMART10) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No, not Mexico. Mexico is part of Central America.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sheldon
>>>>>````````````
>>>>Wrongo Sheldon. Mexico is part of North America. Central America starts
>just
>>>>south of Mexico. Check your National Geographic maps again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bob Y.
>>>
>>>Wrongo? Ahahaha. . . .
>>>
>>>Erroneo, Bob.
>>>
>>>The site I found looks legit to me, if you feel it's not, there are
>mucho...
>>>check it yourself. The page goes on just about forever, chockful of facts,
>>>but
>>>to save space I snipped the rest... you'll get the idea.
>>>
>>>I don't remember who threw the continent monkey wrench into the pot, but
>the
>>>subject under discussion in this thread is clearly premised on political
>>>affiliation; every political reference I've ever seen clearly places Mexico
>>>in
>>>Central America, including the political maps in an Atlas.
><snip>
>
>Isn't it strange then that that infamous North American Free Trade Agreement
>(or
>Treaty) includes only Canada, the U.S., and Mexico?
>
>Bob Y.
What's not so strange is you changing the subjecto, Roberto. I know what
strange is, and how to find all I want in any country, I'm certainly not
limited by any NAFTA.
Lin...@internetdrive.com
we call it Mexico when in fact it's "Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos" (sp?)
or "the United States of Mexico". Can't the same logic be applied to
"America"? I don't see a whole lot of Mexicans protesting over the
inappropriate use of their name...
- Radha
(re-engaging lurk mode)
ALZELT <alz...@aol.comFinnFan> wrote:
: In article <77kbh1$qo$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>, "Dave Bugg" <db...@crcwnet.com>
: writes:
:>No, the word to be focused on is America. Not the Americas and not North
:>America -- just America. America has many States. Each individual State is
:>united together as part of America. Hence, the United States Of America.
: well, with your faulty logic at work, i suppose you should add the 7 provinces
: in Canada as being part of the U.S. and while you are at it, Mexico has states,
: too. but then, you are clearly too focused on finding facts to fit your
: conclusion. how bout the World Series. the best teams in the world, right? no,
: just the U.S.
: Alan
Lin...@internetdrive.com
gerry armstrong
"Alan Z." wrote:
>
> Harry,
>
> We use short ribs (or if cut across the bone it's called flanken) in a
> wonderful cabbage soup.
>
> The meat gives the sweet and sour soup a richness that is just a delight.
> Also during cooking the meat falls away from the bone.... leaving bones to
> suck on <s>
Yes indeedie! Short Ribs are my meat of choice for making veggie
beef soup (and some stews too). They pack a powerful flavor
wallop!
Charlie
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r_p...@my-dejanews.com
move the hot air around. I have been told that gas ovens are naturally
convective.
--
The Mom at hpea...@attcanada.net
Steve N. Pennell wrote in message <3677d...@209.128.1.3>...
>What is the difference between a regular oven and a convection oven? (what
>kind of heat does each oven use...convection, conduction, or radiation?)
>
>Please e-mail to spen...@roadrunner.nf.net
>
>Thanks.
>Steve
>
>
>
Ralph Hilton
>>I never use soap to wash my cast iron.
>
>Isn't this dangerous, bacteria-wise?
>MajicChef
Most soap does not kill bacteria. When using a pan properly, it is well
heated on the stove before adding any oil to cook with, then the oil is
heated to cooking temperature. So now we are in the 350 to 400 degree
range. Not much will happen here.
Ed
e...@snet.net
r_p...@my-dejanews.com
>
>Would some kind person provide me with a good, basic recipe for a bean
>soup cooked with a hambone that has a fair amount of meat still on it?
>Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Lindy M
First cut off as much meat as possible and reserve for later. Take the ham
bone 2 onions studded with a clove a few bay leaves and peppercorns 2
carrots and some celery in a large stock pot. Cove with plenty of water and
bring it to a boil then simmer for several hours to make a stock. Do not
salt the stock as it will make the beans hard. Reserve any more meat from
the bone, strain the stock and throw away the vegetables.... no more flavor
left..
Either soak beans overnight or use the quick method (bring to a boil, remove
from the heat and let stand 1 to 2 hours). very lightly sauté some diced
onion, celery, carrot add the beans and the stock and simmer for about an
hour until the beans are tender. You can add the reserved ham about 1/2 way
through the cooking. Is it soup yet? Yup! Adjust the salt and pepper
Serve with croutons and/or whatever else you like.
Dimitri
Keith Henson
Royce Lerwick wrote in message <3695467...@news.mn.mediaone.net>...
>On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:17:58 -0000, "Paul Draper" <pdr...@baig.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>What a twat.
>>>
>>>Royce
>>
>>Knock it off. Alright?
>
>Don't cry Paul.
>
>Royce
I suppose that's the nearest you ever get to an apology to anyone. How big
of you.
--
Paul Draper
gerry armstrong
>
>
>> Does anyone else know of horrible soups to be avoided?
Yeah, cream of smegma! <G>
sorry, the devil made me...
gerry armstrong
gerry armstrong
Or is it ok to eat uncooked, like prociutto?
Thanks,
MK
Keith Henson
I'm another newbie...While this question might sound a little paranoid
(indeed it is), I'm going to ask. Ever since I had food poisoning at age 5,
I've been *very* cautious as to proper handling. If *I* think it's too old,
it's trashed, even though it might still be fine.
My question: I use a wooden cutting board, which is fine for vegies, etc.
But I also use it for meats. After cutting chicken, especially, I always
wonder if I'm getting the board clean & sanitary. Does anybody have a
suggestion as to cleaning the board well, or am I just being *too* paranoid
now?
Thanks,
Joy
Ralph Hilton
WAh!! I want them on locally!!!
margie