DO NOT go to Morocco !!!
Dusty
outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
THERE !!!
Robert Cadloff
Dusty wrote:
WARNING! If your name is "Dusty", stay home.
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Unsure
(self-arranged) tour of Morocco! As with any country where the wages are
extremely low, people can make more money getting the occasional $1 from a
tourist than from working a real job. You can hardly blame them for trying.
"Guides" certainly are a real hassle but Morocco is well worth it. The
medina's (city centre's unchanged from the 900's) and old Mosques' etc. are
a site you can't see anywhere else (except in similar circumstances).
Simply ensure you know where you are going & then ignore them (on our 2nd
day in Fes we got rid of them very easily by naming the site we were going
to & the street we would take to get there!).
Better still since the medina's are extremely complex, arrange a read guide
for your first day (less than $10 for a whole day) and everyone will leave
you alone.
Our memories of the "main square" in Marrakech with fresh squeezed orange
juice for $.25/glass & the historic water sellers & other incredible images
will be ingrained in our mind for ever.
ps: In Morocco you are 100% likely to be hassled by "guides" are .0001%
likely to be mugged or murdered. Is that something to complain about??
Dusty wrote in message <01be195f$a13a69a0$3765...@default.elp.rr.com>...
bill
to a number of cities in Morocco and enjoyed it. She felt the people
were no more importunate than aggressive businesspeople in many parts of
the world. So, like beauty, it may be in the eye of the beholder. bill
bill
>
> >if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not walk
> >outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> >Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
> >THERE !!!
>
> continent..... At least you get something in return. Here, they just want a
> handout.
> I hope you enjoy the satire and perhaps stay home, you are not a very good
> ambassador for our country. If you want the culture to be just like "home"....
> then go to Racine or Peoria.
And just what do you have against Racine & Peoria?
Sawney Beane
>
> if you look Europeon or white American
Never mind the fact that a large number of Moroccans also look
like Europeans...
because you absolutyl can not walk
> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
> THERE !!!
Tangier is not all of Morocco
ntaylor
>
>ps: In Morocco you are 100% likely to be hassled by "guides" are .0001%
>likely to be mugged or murdered. Is that something to complain about??
But, 200% sure to get the trots!
Duncan120
>outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
>THERE !!!
Same with Chicago, only ours are from a little further south on that same
Duncan120
Oh..... you must never have been there.
But I do stand corrected, I ment Cleveland and Gary.
AN
rcad...@nortelnetworks.com says...
>
>
>
>Dusty wrote:
>
>> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not
walk
>> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO
NOT GO
>> THERE !!!
>
marrocco is a very beautiful country with friendly people. You just have
to learn to cope with their life style.
Ana
>
Nom
>
> In article <365D9863...@nortelnetworks.com>,
> rcad...@nortelnetworks.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> >Dusty wrote:
> >
> >> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not
> walk
> >> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> >> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO
> NOT GO
> >> THERE !!!
> >
That is a bit strange...I usually go to Morocco every year (cheapest
prices for fossils i have yet seen) and found that if you just don't
look like either a complete pushover no one will harrass you. The
previsu poster is right..Tangiers is NOT all of Morocco..I would equate
Tangiers with some of the more touristy parts of Mexico...but all in all
I like Morocco..I will go back again.
(and if this 22 year old fossil crazed girl can take care of herself, I
think you shoudl be able to take care of yourself too...learn
Spanish..always helped me when goign there)
David Gascon
>
> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not walk
> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
> THERE !!!
Funny you were surprised: I've never been to Morocco, but even I knew
about the guide offers from just a little very cursory research. Suggest
you read up on your destination a little more before your next trip.
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Daisey007
>From: Sawney Beane <tgi...@newpaltz.edu>
>Date: 11/27/98 1:15 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <365E51...@newpaltz.edu>
>
>Dusty wrote:
>>
>> if you look Europeon or white American
>
>
>like Europeans...
>
>> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
>> THERE !!!
>
>
Agreed. Even Tangier has its charm. Those "guides" aren't out to kill,
attack, pillage, etc. They are out to sell you something. Once you put it all
in perspective and have fun with it.....it actually is kind of a hoot. While
it adds a certain level of hassle to your travel.....it is an experience in
itself.
I still look fondly on my antelope, embroidered, pointy slippers that I got in
exchange for a ratty old winter jacket of mine.....the guy followed me most of
a day...and in between seeing the sights I bargained with him. It was great
fun. :-)
Steltzjr
we've read enough to know that a trip to Morocco will involve dealing with the
hassling of guides. But knowing this we will be prepared and mark it down as
one of the "problems" of travel that make travel worthwhile as one learns to
deal or overcome them. Morocco seems to be a wonderful country and I'll put up
with hassling just to see it.
Unsure
& I loved Morocco, the hassle of hopeful "guides" is handleable & Morocco's
treasures are more than worth it.
The last poster mentioned that learning Spanish is helpful, but there is
much more French there then Spanish.
Mike Harrel
>
> >if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not walk
> >outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> >Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
> >THERE !!!
>
> continent..... At least you get something in return. Here, they just want a
> handout.
> I hope you enjoy the satire and perhaps stay home, you are not a very good
> ambassador for our country. If you want the culture to be just like "home"....
> then go to Racine or Peoria.
I was going to reply to Dusty's post but you said it beautifully.
Paul Otteson
and expected. I would agree that it would be wise for YOU to choose
differently when you design your next journey, but -- just like not all
cultures are alike -- not all travelers are alike.
Know thyself. Choose wisely.
Paul Otteson
The World Awaits: A Comprehensive Guide to Extended Backpack Travel
http://www.worldawaits.com
Jack
don't do what we finally did after 3 days of inferno. We picked a
young Moroccan who looked friendly and hassled us already 3 days and
appointed him our guide, with the primary goal to chase all others
away. That worked fantastic and we finally were able to visit
Marrakech properly. It is a fabulous city and so unexpected when
you're allowed to wander around without that swarm of flies bugging
you. Of course he tried to guide us to his favorite " manufacturers"
of tapestries and others but with a smile and some pocket money we
satisfied our little guide.
We did the same in Fez, Meknes and Rabat. At the entrance of our hotel
in Fez 2 so-called " official city-guides" were very angry that we
picked out one of the many 13 to 15 year " unofficial" little guides
and told us we were harming the tourism industry ! What a nerve ! :-
The Imperial cities are an experience you must have once in your life.
And don't let the fear of being hassles worry you, just do as we did.
I'm talking about 8 years ago, maybe things changed? I don't think so.
Another way to deal with hassle is here
http://i-cias.com/m.s/morocco/mor_hust.htm
PS: a fabulous charm hotel in the not expensive range in Marrakech :
the Tichka hotel, furnished and designed by Stark.
Jack
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Alexandre A. S.
>AN wrote:
>>
>> In article <365D9863...@nortelnetworks.com>,
>> rcad...@nortelnetworks.com says...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Dusty wrote:
>> >
>> >> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not
>> walk
>> >> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>> >> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO
>> NOT GO
>> >> THERE !!!
>> >
>
>That is a bit strange...I usually go to Morocco every year (cheapest
>prices for fossils i have yet seen) and found that if you just don't
>look like either a complete pushover no one will harrass you. The
>previsu poster is right..Tangiers is NOT all of Morocco..I would equate
>Tangiers with some of the more touristy parts of Mexico...but all in all
>I like Morocco..I will go back again.
>
> (and if this 22 year old fossil crazed girl can take care of
herself, I
>think you shoudl be able to take care of yourself too...learn
>Spanish..always helped me when goign there)
Spanish in Morocco? Never heard that spanish would help you there...
Maybe you meant the spanish enclaves (Ceuta, etc) ...
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> Spanish in Morocco? Never heard that spanish would help you there...
> Maybe you meant the spanish enclaves (Ceuta, etc) ...
>
Morcco :) it always has come in handy for me to use it there...I have
always found a Spanish speaker much more easily in Morocco then an
English speaking one (at least one who speaks Spanish much
more..fleunty..then English). Yes French is a better language..but then
I do not speak French so I will go with the next choice on a language I
do speak (much less confusion to all).
M. Tannehill
some time in Fez during October and were told that that phrase is only used with
dogs. It mean "shoo, get away" but is very insulting when used with people.
Rick Steve's in his guidebook suggests "la shogrun" (phonetic spelling here)
which means "no thank you." We met wonderful people while there. We did use a
guide for touring the medina area in the old city and were glad we did. We
would never have been able to find our way and our guide could explain the
importance of what we were seeing. For example, we would never have know that
the men baking bread were doing so for the whole neighborhood and that they did
not make the bread but only baked it for the people because most of the people
in the old city do not have ovens in their homes.
Jack wrote:
Connie
Sawney Beane wrote in message <365E51...@newpaltz.edu>...
:
:Tangier is not all of Morocco
Tangier is not Morocco at all. They are different countries.
connie:
balc...@beaver.edu
> >> >
> >> >> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not
> >> walk
> >> >> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
> >> >> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO
> >> NOT GO
> >> >> THERE !!!
Wow--this is their culture, and I'm surprised that you
were surprised by this! All travel books on Morocco
spell this out very clearly. You might fare better next
time by tailoring your destination to your personality, or
by taking a tour in developing countries.
I personally loved Morocco, but I love adventure and
am very open to exploring different cultures. While
the men following you does get intense, I did expect it
and really wasn't too bothered. I also did not find the
men "filthy" or "dirty."
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>outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
>THERE !!!
Hum, sounds like you didn't have a good time. Well, travelling Morocco does
takes more work and perhaps a bit more luck than travelling in Europe or
North America or even Latin America. On the ferry to Tanger I struck up a
conservation (because I speak some French) with a clean-looking young man
who it turns out was returning from his job in Italy (he was laid off
during Christmas holidays). We made a deal; he became my guide from the
ferry to the Tanger bus station to his home in Marrakech and literally
defended me through all the Tanger "guides". I stayed several days with him
to his very modest home during which time his family fed me (I paid for
the meat) and he guided me (illegally) around Marrakech. But we had no
problems and I learned a lot about travelling in Morocco from him. In the
end, I probably paid just a little more than I would have travelling on my
own. His wife's sister even tried to teach me some Arabic. I'm a blond-
haired, blond-eyed male with a red-beard.
Morocco is a bit hard to deal with if one doesn't speak any French or
Arabic. Meknes was by far the easiest place to go independently. Fez would
have been great had not my guide taken me to a carpet shop where I didn't
think I've get out alive after I refused to buy a carpet (if I ever go back,
which I probably won't, I'll bribe the guy to skip the carpet shop; the
guide was otherwise outstanding and well worth the very low cost).
Probably the low point was leaving Tanger for Spain. It seems like
everyone, including the real officials, are trying to do everything in their
power to make sure that one NEVER returns. Fifteen minutes in Tanger Port
can spoil a week of great travels. However, while I'm not a Morocco freak,
I probably will return, to go south to Figuid and southwest to Essaouira.
It certainly was one of THE most intense, educational vacations I've ever
had.
Simon
>outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO NOT GO
>THERE !!!
>
I AGREE DONT GO ANYWHERE THAT HAS A DIFFERENT CULTURE THAN HERE, well
actually I have always found the easiest way to deal with it is to ask your
Hotel to provide a good guide, the cost is Peanuts and they shoo away
beggars and touts for you, you may have to govist his brothers shop but
just make it clear that this is the only visit you will make at his behest,
and then get on with what you want to do.
Simon
Simon
M. Tannehill wrote in message <3660FE7B...@ibm.net>...
>Please do not say ""imshi" to keep the hasslers away. My friend and I
spent
>some time in Fez during October and were told that that phrase is only used
with
>dogs. It mean "shoo, get away" but is very insulting when used with
people.
>Rick Steve's in his guidebook suggests "la shogrun" (phonetic spelling
here)
>which means "no thank you." We met wonderful people while there. We did
use a
>guide for touring the medina area in the old city and were glad we did. We
>would never have been able to find our way and our guide could explain the
>importance of what we were seeing. For example, we would never have know
that
>the men baking bread were doing so for the whole neighborhood and that they
did
>not make the bread but only baked it for the people because most of the
people
>in the old city do not have ovens in their homes.
>
I would agree, Imshi is not a term I would choose to use to often to a fit
young man, could cause you problems.
Simon
Jack
didn't express myself clearly for which I'm sorry) that it is the
little guide we finally hired that kept saying "imshi". I never did, I
don't speak arab. I never knew any arab language before and I still
don't understand or speak any of it. "Imshi" may be the only word I
know now one and I always thought it meant " go away". And indeed,
when he said it they left us alone. But if this is the only sentence
of my reply that struck you, it is pretty negative from your side. I
will refrain in the future of giving useful advice about touring and a
good hotel address as I did in this same post.
And don't let the fear of being hassles worry you, just do as we did.
Jack
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M. Tannehill
Fez), native Moroccan, stated that it was used only to shoo away dogs. He was
no lover of hustlers and got the giggles when we told him some people used this
phrase in order to make hustlers go away. But, he was emphatic that native
speakers do not use this phrase to other people and it is insulting. We may be
just a "poor sods" in your book but my suggestion is to not use this phrase with
people. And, if you think we "poor sods" can't pronouce the phrases you
suggest, why don't you spell them phonetically and be helpful instead of just
insulting.
jkheycke wrote:
> Nonsense. Imshee is just the imperative form of masha, which
> means "to go away."
>
> There _are_ some alternatives with slightly different connotations:
>
> seer fi Halek! -- roughly "go away"
> 'ateenee at-teesea' -- "leave me alone"
>
> However, both of these contain letters that most of you poor sods
> (especially those of you who praise yourselves on being "open" to other
> cultures)
> could not possibly pronounce correctly. That's why most guide books
> and locals will tell you to say "imshee."
>
> The only pronounceable alternative for you is:
>
> "Itriknee min fadlak" -- "Leave me please"
>
> This is what Frazier Crane would probably say. It amounts to saying:
> "Prithee, Quit my presence" and is guaranteed to generate prolonged
> laughter and then the forcible theft of everything on your person.
>
> The truth is you're best off saying nothing. Once you speak to a
> tout, you have engaged him and you are unlikely to lose him.
>
> Simon wrote in message <73v06e$rbf$1...@eros.clara.net>...
suktion
For the original poster: Please stay home so the world can be free of
your bitching, and learn to spell before trying to sound intelligent.
;)
-Tony
>y wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> if you look Europeon or white American because you absolutyl can not
>> >> walk
>> >> >> outside your hotel without being agressivly harrassed by dirty ,filthy
>> >> >> Moroccan men demanding to be your "guide". It ruined our trip.... DO
>> >> NOT GO
>> >> >> THERE !!!
>
jkheycke
jkheycke
Arabic (particularly _real_ Arabic). So the word of a native doesn't
necessarily count for much.
Incidentally I did spell these phonetically.
the "H" in:
seer fi Halek
is a special, heavily aspirated H, somewhat like
German "ch" but without the scrape.
The ' in:
'ateenee at-teesea'
is called an "ayn." It sounds rather like a camel being
strangled. Say "aaaahhhh" and then constrict the back of your throat.
There is no comparable sound in any Western language. In a first year Arabic
class, about 1/3 typically master it by the end of the year; the rest never
do.
Have fun. Next time, I'll tell you how to pronounce "go away" in !Kung or
Ndembu.
-- jkh
M. Tannehill wrote in message <36636DFF...@ibm.net>...
>"Imshee" may be the imperative of to go away but our friend in Morocco
(from
>Fez), native Moroccan, stated that it was used only to shoo away dogs. He
was
>no lover of hustlers and got the giggles when we told him some people used
this
>phrase in order to make hustlers go away. But, he was emphatic that native
>speakers do not use this phrase to other people and it is insulting. We
may be
>just a "poor sods" in your book but my suggestion is to not use this phrase
with
>people. And, if you think we "poor sods" can't pronouce the phrases you
>suggest, why don't you spell them phonetically and be helpful instead of
just
>insulting.
>
>jkheycke wrote:
>
Jack
hasslers. 8 years ago we planned Morocco at Easter for 12 days. A lot
of people in this newsgroup know how accurate and well documented I
prepare all my trips (see
http://www.worldtable.com/Jack/Paris/Paris.toc.html for Paris and
Ile-de-France and
http://home.earthlink.net/~primos/ for Provence Cote d'Azur, and other
regions in France.)
I prepared this one as usual but this thing escaped me. I was not
informed, nobody told me, no travel book mentioned it: the hassling
guides. I was completely unaware of this phenomenon.
And I didn't speak (I still don't) a word of Arab. But my native
French would do the job. After all Morocco is a former French colony.
When we left Marrakech airport with our rental car, we were surprised
right away by the friendly waving bikers, following our car as soon we
left the airport. . We waved back, thinking that this was such a
friendly country, welcoming you as you set foot on the ground.
Arriving at the hotel Tichka (I recommend it strongly, a dream hotel
for quite low price, decorated by Stark) the bikers remained at some
distance since I noticed that the porter of the hotel had that mean
look of a Schwarzenegger and Stallone together with real muscles.
But we still couldn't figure out what this was all about.
The first morning it became clear. As soon we set foot out of the
hotel, 3 young men jumped on us asking in French "Guide , Monsieur,
Guide?, c'est gratuit!). I answered them all very politely and
friendly that I always travel by my own means, guides, documents and
preparatory studies. Better talk to a concrete wall, it would be just
the same. Whatever, we escaped with a taxi and started by the most
famous place Jemaa el Fna. Boy what animation was going on there: fire
eaters, snake charmers, acrobats, the genuine oriental market. Well,
we didn't see A THING! As soon we pointed our nose hasslers (dozens
obstructed our walk and nagged us " guide, bon guide, je veux etre
votre guide;" Two of them started a fight between them pretending both
being first to have spotted me!! It was merely a nightmare. And the
more I tried to explain with courtesy that I couldn't possible tie a
guide to my way of visiting, nothing helped: on the contrary we got
some very angry looks, one of them shouted "dirty racists!! Scam of
white colonialist!" We ran away and took a cab to the Koutoubia. We
could have walked but that seemed impossible without creating a riot
At the Koutoubia same scenario, after 5 minutes we took refuge in the
famous hotel Mamounia, where we regained some breath and peace. We
realized something had to be done. Or I would change my principles of
visiting an unknown city in my way, or take one of these godd guides.
We decided to stick on our principles and headed back to the hotel,
wasting a wonderful day. The hotel having a wonderful pool, the waste
was not complete.
After a night sleep we finally decided to appoint the first
sympathetic looking guy who would approach us as our guide, but merely
to keep the others away. We paid him to be sure he wouldn't drive us
nuts trying to lead us to his favorite manufacturers.
That's how the next 3 days went on. Our guide went everywhere with
-us, merely where I told him, he managed to trick us anyway (no
problem, it's his living) in rug factory, where we drank the
obligatory coffee or mint tea, and were almost lynched (wit a smile I
must admit) because we didn't buy a rug, and in a silverware shop in
the souks where we bought a tea set (boy was our guide happy!). Bit
the most important of all, he kept the other hasslers away by shouting
all the time:"imshi!!. So for me this could only mean " keep away or
go away". Nobody ever said it was something you say to animals alone.
Even my Lebanese friends here in Antwerp assured today that in Arabic
"imshi" is not insulting. Anyway ii is the guide who used the word,
not me.
The remainder of our trip: 3 days Fez, 2 days Meknes, 2 days Rabat
went the same way. Appointed "amateur guide", despised by the
so-called "official guides" and the rest of or trip was ok. The
Imperial cities are of a heavenly beauty, and walking in the medina
and souks is a rare experience if you're being left alone.
Hasslers are a problem if you want to explore by your own. It may be
possible in the smaller cities or the countryside but in big cities
they are unavoidable. I would have planned another trip more south in
Morocco where it is aid to be so beautiful but this hassle problem has
kept me away. A pity. But I heard things improved lately since the
police intervene when the hasslers are becoming too aggressive.
jack
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On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:17:47 -0800, "jkheycke" <jkhe...@email.msn.com>
wrote:
Simon
jkheycke wrote in message ...
>Note that many Moroccans are much better at Berber or French than
>Arabic (particularly _real_ Arabic). So the word of a native doesn't
>necessarily count for much.
>
>Incidentally I did spell these phonetically.
>
>the "H" in:
>
>seer fi Halek
>
>is a special, heavily aspirated H, somewhat like
>German "ch" but without the scrape.
>
>The ' in:
>
> 'ateenee at-teesea'
>
>is called an "ayn." It sounds rather like a camel being
>strangled. Say "aaaahhhh" and then constrict the back of your throat.
Arabic
>class, about 1/3 typically master it by the end of the year; the rest never
>do.
>
>Have fun. Next time, I'll tell you how to pronounce "go away" in !Kung or
>Ndembu.
>
>-- jkh
>
>
throat;
strc prst skrz krk
the r will be impossible for you.
Simon
jkheycke
Just to confirm, neither my Hans Wehr Arabic Dictionary nor
Lane's Concordance of the Arabic language (the ultimate authority)
lists any special derogatory connotations for "imshee".
In particular, both sources imply that the term refers to humans;
according to Wehr, it means: "to go on foot, walk, march..."
The word has no associations with animals whatsoever.
-- jkh
Jack wrote in message <36696c23...@news.innet.be>...
Philip Taylor
> But I heard things improved lately since the
> police intervene when the hasslers are becoming too aggressive.
>
There has been a definite change in the last 3 years :
the hustlers and touts were recognised by the Moroccan
government to be having a bad effect on tourism - which
was decreasing in the early 90s. Eventually a new law was
put into force in March 1996 which makes it an offence
for anyone other than an official guide to accompany
a tourist.. the penalty is a heavy fine or prison, and apparently
it is often being enforced. Many 'faux guides' have
indeed been imprisoned. They have not been eliminated
but they are definitely fewer in number, less
blatant and definitely nervous about a complaint to the police,
See the 1998 edition of the Lonely Planet 'Morocco'
for more details on this - in particular the 2 pages on
'Touts, Guides and Hustlers'.
Philip
Jack
this long time prepared trip to South Morocco I kept delaying due to
that annoying hasslers problem.
Jack
Loire,Provence, Cote d'azur,Languedoc-Roussillon,Belgium and Dublin
posts are now available on http://home.earthlink.net/~primos/
My Paris, Ile -de-France and Languedoc-Roussillon posts on
http://www.worldtable.com/Jack/Paris/Paris.toc.html
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On Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:58:53 +0000, Philip Taylor <p...@dial.pipex.com>
wrote:
>Jack wrote:
>> But I heard things improved lately since the
>> police intervene when the hasslers are becoming too aggressive.
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