ARMSTRONG - Faulty Researcher
Public Relations
RE: ARMSTRONG - Faulty Researcher
There have been several briefings from Gerry Armstrong
about the life of L. Ron Hubbard which have been faulty and
show irresponsible research:
Testimony and evidence shows that while Gerald
Armstrong claimed to have been able to document nearly every
day of L. Ron Hubbard's life, he had in fact made very poor
attempts at research, which had resulted in badly distorted
facts.
When asked in court "Did you obtain documents from any
official agency of the United States to document day by day
where Mr. Hubbard was during Mr. Hubbard was during the
Second World War?" His answer was "no..."
Armstrong also claimed that Mr. Hubbard had never seen
combat during World War II. The evidence again contradicts
Armstrong's assertions. While commanding PC 815, Mr.
Hubbard and his crew sank one Japanese submarine and
disabled another in an encounter which lasted three days.
When questioned on this evidence in court, Armstrong
admitted that he merely "went through some books on the
subject. But that was it. I never went to D.C. And I
obviously never checked the sources that whoever did this
research was able to check. So I stand corrected."
(Transcripts of May 21, 1984 - Superior Court of the
State of California for the County of Los Angeles).
Public Relations
Church of Scientology International
William Barwell
Public Relations <publicr...@scientology.org> wrote:
>
> RE: ARMSTRONG - Faulty Researcher
>
> There have been several briefings from Gerry Armstrong
> about the life of L. Ron Hubbard which have been faulty and
> show irresponsible research:
>
> Testimony and evidence shows that while Gerald
> Armstrong claimed to have been able to document nearly every
> day of L. Ron Hubbard's life, he had in fact made very poor
> attempts at research, which had resulted in badly distorted
> facts.
>
> When asked in court "Did you obtain documents from any
> official agency of the United States to document day by day
> where Mr. Hubbard was during Mr. Hubbard was during the
> Second World War?" His answer was "no..."
No need to.. he had Hubbard's original copies of his Naval
records and Hubbard's diaries.
Now, if you want to talk to somebody who has documents from
"official agencies", talk to Patrick Yost who posts here occasionally and
under the FOIA (beloved of Scientology) did get all of Hubbard's
records from the Navy, VA and confirmed Armstrong and Russell Miller's
comments of Hubbard's rather less than succesful Navy Career.
For example, Jost found documents on Hubbard's loss of his only real
command, PC-815, after 80 days for failure to obey orders and general
incompetence.
Mind you, teh same trial has testimony from Hubbard's second in command of
PC-815, Moulton, that confirms that Hubbard did indeed attend sub school,
ect, just like the official records state, or in other words, there is no
room for lying claims that the records are false and hubbard was some sort
of Naval 007 spy guy.
>
> Armstrong also claimed that Mr. Hubbard had never seen
> combat during World War II. The evidence again contradicts
> Armstrong's assertions. While commanding PC 815, Mr.
> Hubbard and his crew sank one Japanese submarine and
> disabled another in an encounter which lasted three days.
>
False. There was a naval investigation of this later.
Several other ship captains and two anti-sub blimp
captains saw no sign of any subs. Further more, tape
recorders on PC-815 recording all data from the pc-815's
sensors showed no subs.
There were no subs.
Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
sunk in that area. There were none found.
Scientology lies when it omits these facts from its official propaganda
files, as posted above.
Is that you again Andy Milne?
> When questioned on this evidence in court, Armstrong
> admitted that he merely "went through some books on the
> subject. But that was it. I never went to D.C. And I
> obviously never checked the sources that whoever did this
> research was able to check. So I stand corrected."
>
No need to. he and Omar garrison had been through Hubbard's own
documents. Same ones the Navy and VA ect gave Jost.
Jost's documents are of course corrborative of Armstrongs and are
corraborated by Moulton.
> (Transcripts of May 21, 1984 - Superior Court of the
> State of California for the County of Los Angeles).
>
> Public Relations
> Church of Scientology International
>
Now, post Moulton's testimony.
You don't dare, do you?
Post the reports the cult collected from teh sonar scan and the enquiry
of sunken subs.
Don't dare do you?
Your cheap lying sophistry is so obvious, and in the face of
of 600 pages of Hubbard's records in Patrick Jost's hands,
silly to keep making.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Scott A. McClare
<publicr...@scientology.org> wrote:
> Armstrong also claimed that Mr. Hubbard had never seen
> combat during World War II. The evidence again contradicts
> Armstrong's assertions. While commanding PC 815, Mr.
> Hubbard and his crew sank one Japanese submarine and
> disabled another in an encounter which lasted three days.
Nice try, "Public Relations". However, the evidence speaks volumes for
L. Ron Fatso's military incompetence.
Hubbard not only didn't sink or disable any Japanese submarines, he most
likely spent the entire war without seeing any Japanese soldiers! On the
shakedown cruise of hte PC 815, Hubbard and crew fought a pitched battle
for nearly three days with a known magnetic deposit. No submarines were
sighted in the area.
A few days later, Hubbard was removed from command of the PC 815 when he
allowed his crew to fire ordnance into Mexican waters and shell an
uninhabited island. Mexico, being neutral at the time, lodged a
complaint.
Hubbard spent most of the war either antagonizing his superiors by
swaggering around self-importantly until he was transferred, or finding
ways to avoid any REAL work. For example:
* He offered to write articles about Navy life for public consumption.
None ever appeared.
* He spent the latter part of the war in Oak Knoll Military Hospital for
minor, insignificant, and fictional ailments, including "gastric
distress" and one genuine ulcer. While there, he planned how he was
going to scam Uncle Sam out of a disability pension.
Paid OSA liar, Andrew Milne, tried three summers ago to "prove" that
Hubbard had sunk submarines, claiming he had evidence. That evidence was,
and is, not forthcoming from him, you, or anyone else. It's very
difficult to provide proof of bad fiction, you see.
For a scan of Hubbard's own report of this incident and his admiral's
verdict (which, not surprisingly, contradicts Hubbard's in significant
ways), see the following URL:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/LRH-bio/battle.htm
Enjoy.
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Roland
>
> RE: ARMSTRONG - Faulty Researcher
>
> There have been several briefings from Gerry Armstrong
> about the life of L. Ron Hubbard which have been faulty and
> show irresponsible research:
>
> Testimony and evidence shows that while Gerald
> Armstrong claimed to have been able to document nearly every
> day of L. Ron Hubbard's life, he had in fact made very poor
> attempts at research, which had resulted in badly distorted
> facts.
>
> When asked in court "Did you obtain documents from any
> official agency of the United States to document day by day
> where Mr. Hubbard was during Mr. Hubbard was during the
Faulty Borg micrchip.
> Second World War?" His answer was "no..."
So you think they keep records of where every person was on every day.
You silly bitch. But then you are a cult member.
> Armstrong also claimed that Mr. Hubbard had never seen
> combat during World War II. The evidence again contradicts
> Armstrong's assertions. While commanding PC 815, Mr.
> Hubbard and his crew sank one Japanese submarine and
> disabled another in an encounter which lasted three days.
So Hubbard said. However, an official navy investigation concluded that
there were no Japanese submarines in the area at that time. That idiot
Hubbard was wasting depth-charges on driftwood and figments of his
diseased imagination. It could have been the effects of the dose of clap
he had caught at that time which earned him the nickname "lieutenant
drippy dick".
> When questioned on this evidence in court, Armstrong
> admitted that he merely "went through some books on the
> subject. But that was it. I never went to D.C. And I
> obviously never checked the sources that whoever did this
> research was able to check. So I stand corrected."
Russel Miller did plenty of research for the book "Bare-Faced Messiah".
The URL is http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/bfm/ and people can read the
story of his life there.
> (Transcripts of May 21, 1984 - Superior Court of the
> State of California for the County of Los Angeles).
>
> Public Relations
> Church of Scientology International
You people are still trotting out the same old tired lies. When will you
people wake up?
Roland
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Tilman Hausherr
publicr...@scientology.org (Public Relations) wrote:
> When asked in court "Did you obtain documents from any
> official agency of the United States to document day by day
> where Mr. Hubbard was during Mr. Hubbard was during the
> Second World War?" His answer was "no..."
So, has scientology been able to present different documents?
"No...
"Why?...
"Because we know that those from Mr. Armstrong were the official ones.."
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->
-> RE: ARMSTRONG - Faulty Researcher
->
-> There have been several briefings from Gerry Armstrong
-> about the life of L. Ron Hubbard which have been faulty and
-> show irresponsible research:
Gerry's a hell of a lot more accurate about Elron's life story than Elron
ever was!
Seriously though, why do you bother lying about things that are so easy to
check out? Elron was an incompetent commander. The Navy's got the records.
You know, the records that Mary Sue and the rest of the Guardian's Office
clams were trying to alter when they broke into Navy offices?
You stupid, incompetent clam. Your propaganda is even weaker than the
holocaust deniers.
-jcr
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Inducto
>(Transcripts of May 21, 1984 - Superior Court of the
> State of California for the County of Los Angeles).
Once again CoS attempts to twist the truth. The real gist of the trial, the
credibility of the witnesses, and the evidence about Hubbard's life, is in
Judge Breckenridge's ruling:
"As indicated by its factual findings, the court finds the testimony
of Gerald and Jocelyn Armstrong, Laurel Sullivan, Nancy Dincalcis,
Edward Walters, Omar Garrison, Kima Douglas, and Homer Schomer to be
credible, extremely persuasive, and the defense privilege of
justification established and corroborated by this evidence. Obviously
there are some discrepancies or variations in recollections, but these
are the normal problems which arise from lapse of time, or from
different people viewing matters or events from different perspectives.
In all critical and important matters, their testimony was precise,
accurate, and rang true. The picture painted by these former dedicated
Scientologists, all of whom were intimately involved with LRH, or Mary
Jane Hubbard, or of the Scientology Organization, is on one hand
pathetic, and on the other hand, outrageous. Each of these persons
literally gave years of his or her respective life in support of a man,
LRH, and his ideas. Each has manifested a waste and loss or frustration
which is incapable of description......
"The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a
pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and
achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally
reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness
and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or
hostile. At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly
capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and
inspiring his adherents. He has been referred to during this trial as a
'genius,' a 'revered person,' a man who was 'viewed by his followers
with awe.' "
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SB
Barwell) wrote:
...
>Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
>from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
>Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
>No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
>thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
>sunk in that area. There were none found.
Really? I hadn't read or heard about that. Do you happen to know
where I can get some data regarding this?
Thanks.
- SB
Scott A. McClare
>>Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
>>from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
>>Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
>>No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
>>thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
>>sunk in that area. There were none found.
>Really? I hadn't read or heard about that. Do you happen to know
>where I can get some data regarding this?
Seconded! This is the first time I've heard about this, at least that I
remember.
Have you got a cite for this, Pope? Your information is usually pretty
solid.
Mark Thorson
William Barwell <wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>
>False. There was a naval investigation of this later.
>Several other ship captains and two anti-sub blimp
>captains saw no sign of any subs. Further more, tape
>recorders on PC-815 recording all data from the pc-815's
>sensors showed no subs.
>There were no subs.
There were tape recorders on a World War 2 sub?
I think not.
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <6t2e1q$o...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>Hubbard spent most of the war either antagonizing his superiors by
>swaggering around self-importantly until he was transferred, or finding
>ways to avoid any REAL work. For example:
>
>* He offered to write articles about Navy life for public consumption.
> None ever appeared.
None "appeared" is the correct description. The inference is that
he wrote them, but they were such crap that no mainstream publication
would carry them --- even out of sheer patriotism.
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Hubbard and the Co$ claim that he came upon the core of
dianetics and scientology after vast research. Yet, they
have never once been able to provide any research to
support his theories when asked for it. Why?
Where is the research Ron did to show that Xenu and
Incident I and II in fact happened?
Where is the research Ron did to show how he discovered
that everyone suffers from countless clusters of Body
Thetans?
Where is his research to show that radiation can be removed
by the Purif because radiation is water soluable?
There is no research that Hubbard ever did that can be brought
about for peer review because there is none. There is simply
the imaginations and created stories made up in the mind of
this man who even his own self knew he needed psychiatric
help, and wrote letters to the government begging for it.
Beverly
Boudewijn van Ingen
McClare) wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:46:05 GMT, SB <remo...@londonoffice.com> wrote:
>
>>>Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
>>>from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
>>>Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
>>>No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
>>>thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
>>>sunk in that area. There were none found.
>
>>Really? I hadn't read or heard about that. Do you happen to know
>>where I can get some data regarding this?
>
>Seconded! This is the first time I've heard about this, at least that I
>remember.
>
>Have you got a cite for this, Pope? Your information is usually pretty
>solid.
Forgive me for my shady memory (I'm not "clear" as to why I don't have
total recall), but at least I'm sure the first part of the above story
has been published (on ars and elsewhere) before.
Japanese records *were* checked for missing subs. There were none.
Japanese records even showed positively that *none* of their
submarines was even close to the location at the time. All subs
accounted for...
I'm not sure if the investigation I'm remembering was done by
scientology or someone else. I'm pretty sure I've never known about
any scientology originated investigation involving sidescanning sonar,
though...
I hope (and trust) it has cost scientology heaps... ;-)
Groeten,
Boudewijn,
Kox.
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
>In article <6t2ema$s5b$1...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>, wrote:
>>
>>False. There was a naval investigation of this later.
>>Several other ship captains and two anti-sub blimp
>>captains saw no sign of any subs. Further more, tape
>>recorders on PC-815 recording all data from the pc-815's
>>sensors showed no subs.
>>There were no subs.
>
>There were tape recorders on a World War 2 sub?
>I think not.
There was a magnetic WIRE recorder around at that time or slightly
later, but it was an expensive and exotic beast. There were also
recording machine / dictaphones onto shellac disks [indeed Hubbard
used one regularly].
If the sonar made a recording, it was almost certainly a paper
chart recorder on a rotating drum. There would be rather a lot
of paper(!); I would guess recordings were only made and
logged for actual periods of combat.
Joe Harrington
Inducto wrote:
And here is part of what Armstrong's replacement, official LRH biographer, Dan
Sherman, recently stated about Armstrong:
"Well gentlemen, I spoke with Judge Paul Breckenridge. I further spoke - at
length - with that top Scientology defector, and let me simply say you have
done your readers and your reputation a very grave disservice. The facts are
these: that defector is none other than Gerald Armstrong - former Scientology
clerk, former paid agent of a renegade goverment intelligence service, and,
frankly, a certifiable nut. After failing to seize Church assets in a truly
bizzare scheme involving the forging of incriminating evidence and the secret
planting of that evidence on Church premises, he next appears in the the public
eye as the would-be masochist for Saddam Hussein."
(from OSA's "The Boston Herald, Merchants of Sensationalism)
Joe
William Barwell
Scott A. McClare <cj...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:46:05 GMT, SB <remo...@londonoffice.com> wrote:
>
>>>Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
>>>from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
>>>Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
>>>No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
>>>thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
>>>sunk in that area. There were none found.
>
>>Really? I hadn't read or heard about that. Do you happen to know
>>where I can get some data regarding this?
>
>Seconded! This is the first time I've heard about this, at least that I
>remember.
>
>Have you got a cite for this, Pope? Your information is usually pretty
>solid.
damage control mode. This was part of that effort. When these efforts
were fruitless, and more or less confirmed Hubbard had indeed sunk
no subs, they were shoved down the "memory hole".
The cult essentially lies when they still claim Hubbard sunks
any subs. They know better.
William Barwell
Boudewijn van Ingen <bo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>On 8 Sep 1998 17:35:45 GMT, cj...@freenet.carleton.ca (Scott A.
>
>>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:46:05 GMT, SB <remo...@londonoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Later, Scientology had a Seattle expert who traced missing subs
>>>>from WWII check to see if Japan had lost any subs in the Pacific
>>>>Northwest coastal region during this period of time. No.
>>>>No subs were lost. Scientology then hired a company to scan teh area
>>>>thoroughly with the latest sidescanning sonar to locate any subs
>>>>sunk in that area. There were none found.
>>
>>>Really? I hadn't read or heard about that. Do you happen to know
>>>where I can get some data regarding this?
>>
>>Seconded! This is the first time I've heard about this, at least that I
>>remember.
>>
>>Have you got a cite for this, Pope? Your information is usually pretty
>>solid.
>
>total recall), but at least I'm sure the first part of the above story
>has been published (on ars and elsewhere) before.
Yes, by me back when Andy Milne was arguing here.
>
>Japanese records *were* checked for missing subs. There were none.
>Japanese records even showed positively that *none* of their
>submarines was even close to the location at the time. All subs
>accounted for...
>
>I'm not sure if the investigation I'm remembering was done by
>scientology or someone else. I'm pretty sure I've never known about
>any scientology originated investigation involving sidescanning sonar,
>though...
Somebody else. This was a private project of a man in Seattle to account
for all missing subs and to try to locate the probable last resting places
of these subs and personel. CoS heard about him and contacted him for
expert advise as to if data from Japanese Naval records might have
indicated missing subs in the Portland area when Hubbard supposedly
sunk two subs. There were no missing subs that Hubbard could have taken
credit for.
>
>I hope (and trust) it has cost scientology heaps... ;-)
Probably did.
William Barwell
>In article <6t2ema$s5b$1...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>>
>>False. There was a naval investigation of this later.
>>Several other ship captains and two anti-sub blimp
>>captains saw no sign of any subs. Further more, tape
>>recorders on PC-815 recording all data from the pc-815's
>>sensors showed no subs.
>>There were no subs.
>
>There were tape recorders on a World War 2 sub?
>I think not.
>
>>of 600 pages of Hubbard's records in Patrick Jost's hands,
>>silly to keep making.
>
>
Wire recorders of some sort. Official naval records of the investigation
into Hubbard's 'battle' did indeed go back over recordings of signals
recorded during the effort. Official records reflect this quite Clearly.
Patric Jost, occasional ARS poster has acquired all Hubbard's Naval
records through the FOIA statutes. 600 pages worth.
Mark W Brehob
: In article <35f9bde5.252880396@rambo>,
: Boudewijn van Ingen <bo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
:>On 8 Sep 1998 17:35:45 GMT, cj...@freenet.carleton.ca (Scott A.
:>McClare) wrote:
:>
:>>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:46:05 GMT, SB <remo...@londonoffice.com> wrote:
: Somebody else. This was a private project of a man in Seattle to account
: for all missing subs and to try to locate the probable last resting places
: of these subs and personel. CoS heard about him and contacted him for
: expert advise as to if data from Japanese Naval records might have
: indicated missing subs in the Portland area when Hubbard supposedly
: sunk two subs. There were no missing subs that Hubbard could have taken
: credit for.
Do you have a name of the man or a URL or some way to confirm this?
Thanks,
Mark
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William Barwell
Mark W Brehob <bre...@cse.msu.edu> wrote:
>William Barwell <wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>: In article <35f9bde5.252880396@rambo>,
>: Boudewijn van Ingen <bo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>:>On 8 Sep 1998 17:35:45 GMT, cj...@freenet.carleton.ca (Scott A.
>:>McClare) wrote:
>:>
>:>>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:46:05 GMT, SB <remo...@londonoffice.com> wrote:
>:>>
>
>: Somebody else. This was a private project of a man in Seattle to account
>: for all missing subs and to try to locate the probable last resting places
>: of these subs and personel. CoS heard about him and contacted him for
>: expert advise as to if data from Japanese Naval records might have
>: indicated missing subs in the Portland area when Hubbard supposedly
>: sunk two subs. There were no missing subs that Hubbard could have taken
>: credit for.
>
>Do you have a name of the man or a URL or some way to confirm this?
>
was still in Scientology when the cult was involved with this attempt
to confirm LRH's claims.
I suspect that this person would probably be well known to WWII
Navy buff types, and I remember long ago in the dim past hearing
something about this man and his project, but have no more details.
William Barwell
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <eeeEyz...@netcom.com>, Mark Thorson writes:
>>>
>>>False. There was a naval investigation of this later.
>>>Several other ship captains and two anti-sub blimp
>>>captains saw no sign of any subs. Further more, tape
>>>recorders on PC-815 recording all data from the pc-815's
>>>sensors showed no subs.
>>>There were no subs.
>>
>>There were tape recorders on a World War 2 sub?
>>I think not.
>
> later, but it was an expensive and exotic beast. There were also
> recording machine / dictaphones onto shellac disks [indeed Hubbard
> used one regularly].
>
> If the sonar made a recording, it was almost certainly a paper
> chart recorder on a rotating drum. There would be rather a lot
> of paper(!); I would guess recordings were only made and
> logged for actual periods of combat.
>
and the official records did indeed mention that the PC-815
did have some sort of recording device ,and data from that was examined
in course of this investigation. I believe Jost posted these, I suspect
somewhere, it has been webbed by somebody.
If not Jost, then possibly Chris Owen posted it.
Jack Craver
Barwell) wrote:
>In article <6t61lq$iia$1...@msunews.cl.msu.edu>,
>Mark W Brehob <bre...@cse.msu.edu> wrote:
>>Do you have a name of the man or a URL or some way to confirm this?
>>
> I do not personally.
Perhaps you could go "ask Mary Sue Hubbard"?
William Barwell
Jack Craver <inm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On 9 Sep 1998 19:11:43 -0500, wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William
>Barwell) wrote:
>
>>In article <6t61lq$iia$1...@msunews.cl.msu.edu>,
>>Mark W Brehob <bre...@cse.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>>Do you have a name of the man or a URL or some way to confirm this?
>>>
>> I do not personally.
>
>Perhaps you could go "ask Mary Sue Hubbard"?
Ask Robert Vaughn Young. Who took over Armstrongs position
in the cult as keeper of Hubbard's papers when Armstrong blew the cult.
RVY was there when the frantic efforts to whitewash Hubbard began after
the Armstrong trial got going. These efforts to find the 'sunken subs'
were part of that effort. Failures. RVY of course, knew of these efforts
as an official cult spokesman.