What set you free? what could have.
daveem m
my own perceptions about the scientology scam I was in before I said
enough is enough, i'm getting out of here!
Is there anything any one could have said to have helped you to see the
light of truth sooner then it took?
Had this news group been around sooner I think it would have made a
world of difference for me. Just knowing that there were so many others,
including x clears and OTs who finally came to the same conclusion, that
reality and scientology don't mix.In our nieve state of mind we found it
hard to believe that a man who called himself L Ron Hubbared could
actully be robbing people out of untold millions of dollars with the
pretence of helping them to get well. it was hard to argue with what
seemed like the perfect religion. and hard to believe that a man we once
viewed so highly turns out to be evil, or perhaps unknowingly ruled buy
a mind of darkness himself. Dave
Martin Hunt
dav...@webtv.net (daveem m) wrote:
>I was just thinking about how long it took for me to finally believe in
>my own perceptions about the scientology scam I was in before I said
>enough is enough, i'm getting out of here!
>Is there anything any one could have said to have helped you to see the
>light of truth sooner then it took?
Probably not. It's an inner awakening, I believe. Even the most
skillful exit-counsellors are only able to help people who are
already on their way out. After all, the basics of the counselling
include a willingness to talk to people who are critical of Scn;
people who are deep in will not talk to such folks. It is, after
all, a serious ethics violation to do so.
People leave, more than anything, because of what Scientology does.
It either outright kicks them out and declares them, or it becomes
so horrible to them that they just can't stand it any more, and
leave. If Scientology was a bit more pleasant and treated its own
people a bit better, very few would leave. Why would they? Their
family and their friends are in, they're having "wins", they're
doing what they think is right, helpful, and just. No, the reason
people leave Scientology has to do with the nature of the cult.
Look at the Heaven's gate members, how long they had been in and
their ages at the time of the mass suicide.
>Had this news group been around sooner I think it would have made a
>world of difference for me. Just knowing that there were so many others,
>including x clears and OTs who finally came to the same conclusion, that
>reality and scientology don't mix.
Most people who get into Scientology leave. I can only guess at
the ratio, but I'd expect to see a graph sweeping steeply down to
the right with percentages of original OCA comps staying in on
the Y-axis, and time spent in along the bottom. Guesstimate based
on my time in Div six: for every 100 people who do the OCA, only
1 person is still on-lines a year later as paying public or staff.
>In our nieve state of mind we found it
>hard to believe that a man who called himself L Ron Hubbared could
>actully be robbing people out of untold millions of dollars with the
>pretence of helping them to get well. it was hard to argue with what
>seemed like the perfect religion. and hard to believe that a man we once
>viewed so highly turns out to be evil, or perhaps unknowingly ruled buy
>a mind of darkness himself. Dave
The evidence is all there for Scientologists: the apparently bright
and happy people, the wins with the auditing, the reinforcement of
everyone around them. But then they sign a staff contract, and things
change, people change. Now they're meant to "produce", and somehow
live on $25 per week. They must get their stats up. The focus is on
bureaucracy, the emphasis on making money. High-pressure sales tactics
are employed. Why is Scientology so hard to sell? Why are most
Scientology staffers paper-shufflers rather than auditors and
instructors? What is all this emphasis on heavy ethics? Why the
constant falling back to ethics rather than auditing and training
people to improve their abilities?
Too many questions occur. Doubts appear. A tough see-it-through or
the way out is the way through attitude takes over. Ethics are
applied to others, and the person is brutalized into being a brute
themselves. If the rampant cruelty strikes a chord in the staffer,
this is when they blow. If, like many, they are willing to become
Nazis, then they stay in - their constant need to justify their
own nasty behaviour on a continuous basis keeping them locked in.
They are a Scientologist. Willing to lie, cheat, steal, hurt others
and break the law in the name of the precious "technology". The
ends, in their minds, justifying the means. They have, by joining
evil and supporting evil and defending evil, become evil.
"Never fear to hurt another in a just cause". And what cause could
be juster than clearing the planet, ie, saving the world.
[p/m]
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Cogito, ergo sum.
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JimDBB
>From: mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt)
>Date: 7/15/98 5:19 PM Central
Martin Hunt has written a very perceptive and important post here. IT is worth
reposting from time to time.
JimDBB
Martin Hunt
jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>>Too many questions occur. Doubts appear. A tough see-it-through or
>>the way out is the way through attitude takes over.
>Martin Hunt has written a very perceptive and important post here.
>IT is worth reposting from time to time.
I wasn't quite clear at this point. When the (almost inevitable)
doubts appear, the person goes in one of two directions. They are
either able to suppress these doubts and get to a mindset where
they have no doubts, or the doubts grow on them and they leave.
I went through both of these. There was a point at which I had to
grit my teeth and force my doubts down, followed by a "the way out
is way through" attitude of cold determination to see things
through no matter what. I could just as well have left right
then, saving another year's time in the cult; it was close, either
way. Scientology actually has an ethics condition for this, called,
appropriately enough, "Doubt". However, people can be assigned a
condition of doubt by their superiors even when they have no
doubts. It is a lower condition - another example of the cult's
alteration of reality. Surely having doubts is a normal condition
of life? But Scientologists are not meant to have doubts.
The formula for the ethics condition of "doubt" contains a couple
steps that, if conscientiously and freely followed, would lead to
a large number of departures from the cult. They are: "1. Inform
oneself honestly of the actual intentions and activities of that
group project or org, brushing aside all bias and rumour." and:
"6. Join or remain in or befriend the one which progresses toward
the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics and
announce the fact publicly to both sides." Unfortunately, the
cult members doing this condition (a pretty commonplace event)
fail to brush aside bias and rumour. For example, when evaluating
Scientology itself on this step, they tend to read _Freedom_ magazine
to find out what Scientology is up to, and all they find is propaganda
about CCHR's good works, Narconon, etc. They fail to read the other
side, such as articles in the NY Times, Time Magazine, or books by
Jon Atack and Russell Miller. When they get to step #6, they blindly
remain in Scientology, with some feeble excuse that the technology
will be the best for all the dynamics, ignoring Scientology's
conditions on the 1st (Treason or Enemy), the 2nd (Liability or
Danger), the 3rd (Enemy), the 4th (Enemy), the 5th, (Enemy), the
6th (Confusion), the 7th (Treason), the 8th (Confusion). The
dynamics, in order, are:
1. self
2. sex
3. group
4. the human race
5. animals
6. the universe
7. spirit
8. god
gerry armstrong
wrote:
> or perhaps unknowingly ruled buy
>a mind of darkness himself. Dave
>
This was cool to read, and this was the coolest of typos.
That's what Scientologists buy: a mind of darkness.
That's what Hubbard was selling us: minds of darkness.
Actually he was selling minds of darkness or minds of lightness,
whichever you wanted.
A lot of us, I think, thought we were buying minds of lightness,
because that's what we were in the market for and that's what he said
he was selling. At some point we recognized that Hubbard couldn't
deliver on the mind of lightness sale, and that all he had and could
deliver was a mind of darkness. At some point after this recognition
some of us were able to escape. Some, I think, were unable to escape.
Some people, I think, may actually recognize they're buying a mind of
darkness and consummate the purchase. Probably the hidden
Scientologists - DM and his cabal - fit into this category. These are
the people who prevent the escapes.
Gerry
Podkayne
armstrong) wrote:
> Actually he was selling minds of darkness or minds of lightness,
> whichever you wanted.
>
> A lot of us, I think, thought we were buying minds of lightness,
Empty things are very light ;->