Happy Independence Day!!!
padre...@mail.snet.net
As I am sitting here thinking about all the people (yes, that's the men and
women) who have served this country and fought in any way to preserve our
freedoms, I can't help but shed a few tears over the many who still think
that freedom is an evil thing to be stamped out. I thank arc for the freedom
and independence that are fostered here. It is by your continued striving
for these rights that people like me are inspired to reach for the
independence and moral maturity that allow us to take responsibility for our
total existence. The fights between the regulars and the religiopaths I have
witnessed so far have given me the incentive to carry on the battle in my own
life. So to the regulars who can think for themselves and can oppose the
tyranny of religions, HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY!!!!!
And to the religiopaths, FUCK YOU ALL, WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!!
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Earl Weber
>>> >>And to the religiopaths, FUCK YOU ALL, WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!!
>>>
>>> Mr. ambam, you are one sick person.
>>>
>>> You see, it's really the Fourth of July that guarantees that people
>>> like me can continue to post here and post RCC+ to our hearts content.
>>
>>Speaking only for myself, your postings are good for me, Earl.
>>
Glad to be of help to you.
>>> It is our forefathers that led the charge for religious freedom and
>>> all freedoms for that matter.
>>
>>In Salem, Massachusetts, there is a solemn memorial to the twenty
>>forefathers and foremothers who were victems of the religious hysteria
>>called the Salem witch hunts. I witnessed my wife visiting that sacred
>>site where four of her ancestors are memorialized. Susanna North ...
>>Mary Towne Easty .... Rebecca Towne Nurse .... John Proctor. Her fortune
>>is that her ancestors were born before their parents were murdered by
>>bigots and self-serving fools. Yes, religious fanatacism murdered them,
>>just as it was murdering tens and hundreds of thousands of people like
>>them in Europe. Our fortune is that our forefathers saw what awful
>>lengths religion could go in the name of questionable morality and
>>granted us the freedom from a state mandated religion. Instead they
>>established a rational state to the exclusion of the supernatural but
>>recognizing in their wisdom that religions should be allowed and even
>>encouraged to flourish for the sake of the individual who chooses to
>>follow that path.
>>
Good, I'm glad to see the concept of religious freedom flying it's
flag in this ng. Not a strong point of the alt.trashthecatholics.
>>> And it's to make a bunch of outlaws
>>> like you and your alt.trashthecatholics unable to force your will and
>>> religious freedoms on us.
>>
>>Are we forcing our religious freedoms on you? On anyone? What is it you
>>have against religious freedom? And who are you to lambast us as
>>"outlaws". (Does that make you an "in-law"?) Would you like to bring
>>charges against us in an American court? The very America you seem to
>>hold in such esteem? (You do, don't you, Earl?) Or is there some other
>>court you had in mind? Of course there is, isn't there, Earl?
Yes, you, and especially the alt.trashthecatholics, are trying to
enforce your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, on me.
Happy Fourth of July, Mr. Amban.
>>Earl, you are committing a horrible sin, that of casting the
>>unacknowledged demons in the deepest recesses of your being onto those
>>you perceive as your enemies.
Oh, I'm not perceiving anything. The alt.trashthecatholics have
expressed nothing but hatred for me. So much for your unacknowledged
demons.
> In your self-rightousness you betray to
>>those who hear you the very traits you so vehemently condemn. And the
>>pity is that you can't even recognize it. You are a sad creature caught
>>up in the robe of denial, a white sepulchre on display.
Oh I recognize everything I am saying. I am defending my self against
the alt.trashthecatholics, or don't you realize that that is the real
name of this ng.
> Earl, I was born
>>and raised a Roman Catholic who was as devout as they come until I really
>>thought about the statement that "by their fruits you shall know them."
>>It was through my personal experiences with the rcc and through observing
>>the mishandling of others, such as my mother, by the same rcc that I
>>realized that if there is a god he surely cannot be associated with this
>>lot! I know many, many others who have concluded the same thing and in
>>that very conclusion found disgust. Most of us have concluded that the
>>rcc is beyond redemption, that it has had its day and is just the sad
>>shell of a temple where perhaps god had once dwelt.
The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
that Jesus Christ founded.
Or didn't you understand that. And it's going to be around for a long
long time, long after the alt.trashthecatholics have had the chance to
have had second thoughts about their plight.
>>But Earl, in a way YOU are very good for us. "There but for the grace of
>>god, go I."
>>
And thank God I'm going that way.
>>Don't you realize that you come across as a bigoted, stereotypical
>>redneck? You are a parody of yourself, Earl.
That's were you lose your creditibality. I am a very happy recovered
Roman Catholic.
>>> Yes, it is a wounderful day.
>>>
>>> So for you and your bunch of religiopaths, Happy Fourth of July and
>>> may God help you overcome your sickness.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>>
>>
>>.... and the same to your bunch of religiopaths, Earl.
>>
>>Dan
Thanks Dan - any time. If you had any truths behind your words, you
would not have to call names.
You lose.
Earl
Darklady
Dennis J Brevik wrote in message ...
<snip>
Our fortune is that our forefathers saw what awful
>lengths religion could go in the name of questionable morality and
>granted us the freedom from a state mandated religion. Instead they
>established a rational state to the exclusion of the supernatural but
>recognizing in their wisdom that religions should be allowed and even
>encouraged to flourish for the sake of the individual who chooses to
>follow that path.
Beautifully said. Thank you. :)
Darklady
http://www.spiritone.com/~darklady
ICQ 10830459
Atheist #184
Darklady
Earl Weber wrote in message <359f9d1a...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>You see, it's really the Fourth of July that guarantees that people
>like me can continue to post here and post RCC+ to our hearts content.
>It is our forefathers that led the charge for religious freedom and
>all freedoms for that matter. And it's to make a bunch of outlaws
>like you and your alt.trashthecatholics unable to force your will and
>religious freedoms on us.
If we're "outlaws" because we honestly disagree with you and admit as
much... what do you call a man who beats his breast in front of a group of
non-believers and then lies to his priest, URL?
Why, Earl Weber, that's what!
Darklady
Earl Weber wrote in message <359fda9...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>Oh, I'm not perceiving anything.
Boy, you got that one right.
>The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
>that Jesus Christ founded.
(Same tired old argument again)
Jesus never founded a church. He lived and died a Jew.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, from what I've heard, back this up. Scholars are
proclaiming them a surprise to both Jews and Christians and saying that as
they make their way through organized religion it's going to call
assumptions up for review... including whether Jesus founded a church. The
Jesus viewed through the scrolls appears to have been very, very Jewish and
his followers likewise, only gaining a Christian identity after they were
denied meeting space in synagoges.
>>>> So for you and your bunch of religiopaths, Happy Fourth of July and
>>>> may God help you overcome your sickness.
>>>.... and the same to your bunch of religiopaths, Earl.
>>>
>>>Dan
>
>Thanks Dan - any time. If you had any truths behind your words, you
>would not have to call names.
Those were your words send back to you. If you don't like them then
you should take the matter up with yourself. Whiner.
Earl Weber
On 5 Jul 1998 20:50:12 GMT, "Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>>Earl Weber wrote in message <359fda9...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>>
>>>Oh, I'm not perceiving anything.
>>
>> Boy, you got that one right.
>>
No, it's pretty clear what's going on in this ng.
>>>The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
>>>that Jesus Christ founded.
>>
>> (Same tired old argument again)
>> Jesus never founded a church. He lived and died a Jew.
You really, really don't understand, do you?
In the "exodus", the jews protected themselves from death by spreading
the blood of an unblemished lamb over the door when God took the 1st
born. Don't you even watch "The Ten Commandments". Christ is the new
Lamb of God, whose blood was shed on the cross so that sins would be
forgiven for those that followed Him.
The church of Christ started with his 12 followers - the birthday of
the church (the RCC as it is presently called) was on the day of
Pentecost.
Conversion grew out of the jewish ranks and the gentiles. The Church
of Christ on earth is the Roman Catholic Church. The bible, written
by the Catholic Church in the first 300 years after Christ, leads us
directly to the RCC. Even the orthodoxs moved on when they rejected
the Papacy.
Earl
Earl Weber
>>>
>>>Thanks Dan - any time. If you had any truths behind your words, you
>>>would not have to call names.
>>
>> Those were your words send back to you. If you don't like them then
>>you should take the matter up with yourself. Whiner.
>>
>>Atheist #184
>>
but then again, it's not me that calls names, is it. Nobody but you.
Earl
Earl Weber
First, if you were just a group of non-believers, than you may have a
point. But seeing as your show is alt.trashthecatholics, and nothing
more, well you understand...
Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
You lose.
Earl
Steve H
>So for you and your bunch of religiopaths, Happy Fourth of July and
>may God help you overcome your sickness.
>
You know Earl, not everyone here appreciates your *contributions* to arc.
This is obvious no? But I have stated several times that your contributions
were welcome because they serve as reminders to us of the fucked up messes
we used to be (religiously speaking) and are striving to recover from.
But I am now reconsidering those well intended but slightly misguided
welcomes. The reason? I now suspect that some of your more ridiculous
utterances of late would set you at odds even from the rcc, or least from
amongst the most sensible of the lot. In other words, your twisted view of
the world is representative not of the church which you hypocritically claim
to defend, but only of your own dementia, and nothing else.
Think about it for a minute Earl, then keep posting rcc+ if that is what you
wish.
SteveH
Ooooooooh so happy xRC
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <89967119...@ridge.spiritone.com>,
"Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
>
> Earl Weber wrote in message <359f9d1a...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>
> >like me can continue to post here and post RCC+ to our hearts content.
> >It is our forefathers that led the charge for religious freedom and
> >all freedoms for that matter. And it's to make a bunch of outlaws
> >like you and your alt.trashthecatholics unable to force your will and
> >religious freedoms on us.
>
> If we're "outlaws" because we honestly disagree with you and admit as
> much... what do you call a man who beats his breast in front of a group of
> non-believers and then lies to his priest, URL?
> Why, Earl Weber, that's what!
>
The Fourth of July guarantees religious freedom and that's to be celebrated.
Here, we're being accused of forcing religious freedom on cathlopaths.
Religious freedom is an abomination to them because they think only THEY have
the way to the TRUTH. So they call us outlaws for upholding the law of the
land, or perhaps it's for not believing rcc law which has no claim on the
Fourth of July.
P_A
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <89967150...@ridge.spiritone.com>,
"Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis J Brevik wrote in message ...
>
> <snip>
>
> Our fortune is that our forefathers saw what awful
> >lengths religion could go in the name of questionable morality and
> >granted us the freedom from a state mandated religion. Instead they
> >established a rational state to the exclusion of the supernatural but
> >recognizing in their wisdom that religions should be allowed and even
> >encouraged to flourish for the sake of the individual who chooses to
> >follow that path.
>
> Beautifully said. Thank you. :)
>
of the religiopaths I refer to in my original post, though. Boy, did that get
his twisted little fingers going at spewing more of his idiotic diatribes.
Certainly shows how screwed up religion made him. I'm sure glad he can't
mandate his brand of religion on the country.
Lots42
Earl -- >In the "exodus", the jews protected themselves from death by spreading
>the blood of an unblemished lamb over the door when God took the 1st
>born.
Thanks for giving us reasons why it was good to leave the RCC.
Lots42 "What's with them? Are they using my neighborhood for mass
orgies? There are no corpses around that area, so I assume they're
not in the middle of a major civil war." -- John Price, speaking about ants
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <89967181...@ridge.spiritone.com>,
"Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> Earl Weber wrote in message <359fda9...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>
> >Oh, I'm not perceiving anything.
>
> Boy, you got that one right.
>
> >that Jesus Christ founded.
>
> (Same tired old argument again)
> Jesus never founded a church. He lived and died a Jew.
> proclaiming them a surprise to both Jews and Christians and saying that as
> they make their way through organized religion it's going to call
> assumptions up for review... including whether Jesus founded a church. The
> Jesus viewed through the scrolls appears to have been very, very Jewish and
> his followers likewise, only gaining a Christian identity after they were
> denied meeting space in synagoges.
The first time I heard this line, Darklady, I was in a seminary college
attending a scripture class. The professor, a priest, broke the news to us
and caused at least half the class to gasp in astonishment. Of course, Jesus
was a Jew. He followed the law and quoted the prophets. He went to the
temple and attended synagogue meetings. He celebrated the Jewish festivals
and claimed he was sent to seek the lost children of Israel. Anyone who has
seriously studies scriptures in the last hundred years has known that it was
Jesus' followers who founded the christian church after they had been thrown
out of the synagogues. Of course, cathlopaths will claim that they did so
under the inspiration of the spirit of christ, and any claim to the contrary
constitutes modernism. However, any claim that the bible leads straight to
the rcc ignores the fact that the rcc recognizes the orthodox church as a
sister church who is also apostolic, that is, it was founded by one of the
apostles(for those who do not know the meaning of the term) and continues in
an unbroken succession (hold that thought). If one reads the bibles
carefully, one finds that the gospels lead to a figure named Jesus of
Nazareth. Anyone who claims that man as one's savior should be honest enough
to admit that the gospels lead to christ, not a church. Anyone who reads the
epistles seriously will see that they talk about churches or assemblies that
came and went. Some of them endured and the rcc claims to have descended
from them, but we all know about succession in the rcc, don't we? I guess
the orthodox church, if it really has an unbroken apostolic succession, is
THE church the bible leads to, if one can make that statement at all. I
certainly wouldn't want to claim that owing to the way they treat women in
that church.
<snipping some good repartees>
Darklady
Earl Weber wrote in message <35a00e1c...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <89967181...@ridge.spiritone.com>,
"Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> Earl Weber wrote in message <359fda9...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>
> >Oh, I'm not perceiving anything.
>
> Boy, you got that one right.
>
> >The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
> >that Jesus Christ founded.
>
> (Same tired old argument again)
> Jesus never founded a church. He lived and died a Jew.
Don't you understand, Darklady? Watch the movie, never mind the book! Cecil
B. DeMilles put it right on the silver screen for us: "THE RCC IS THE CHURCH
OF CHRIST" Besides, the catholic church wrote the book. Of course, it leads
right to the catholic church. It makes perfect sense to me!!!
I knew it!!!! He saw the movie, he didn't read the book!! No wonder his
posts are so moronic! Maybe if he watched SouthPark's Jesus and Pals, he'd
have some good quotes to throw at us.
P_A
> http://www.spiritone.com/~darklady
> ICQ 10830459
> Atheist #184
>
>
Peter Cassidy
Earl Weber (ewe...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
Someone else said;
: >>Speaking only for myself, your postings are good for me, Earl.
: >>
: Glad to be of help to you.
Your postings are good for me too, Earlie-baby! Let me explain;
The more I read your po-faced, self-righteous, ill-informed, judgemental
dribblings, the more I inch away from the clutches of the RCC. Your
example is literally driving me (and others) away. I hope you're
satisfied with your 'good work' ....
: Good, I'm glad to see the concept of religious freedom flying it's
: flag in this ng. Not a strong point of the alt.trashthecatholics.
Well, duh! The newsgroup is a forum for those recovering FROM Catholicism,
as the original NewGroup says (as well you know!). Time after time,
regulars on this newsgroup have re-instated that all - theists or not -
are welcome, provided they honour the purpose of this group.
: Yes, you, and especially the alt.trashthecatholics, are trying to
: enforce your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, on me.
Bwahaha. Poor Earlie-baby, the martyred Catholic! Everyone's out
to get you, right? If you don't like the opinions being 'enforced'
upon you here, then unsubscribe now. It's as easy as that ....
: Oh, I'm not perceiving anything. The alt.trashthecatholics have
: expressed nothing but hatred for me. So much for your unacknowledged
: demons.
I don't hate you, Earlie-baby. I pity you. Seriously.
: Oh I recognize everything I am saying. I am defending my self against
: the alt.trashthecatholics, or don't you realize that that is the real
: name of this ng.
'Defending yourself'. Phbbbt! Oooh you're so big and strong!
: The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
: that Jesus Christ founded.
For example; 'Suffer not a witch to live' (Exodus 22:18). So where does
this tie into Catholicism? Oh, of course, Pope Innocent IX and his
Bull against witches of 1486. Isn't the Bible wonderful! *sigh*
: Or didn't you understand that. And it's going to be around for a long
: long time, long after the alt.trashthecatholics have had the chance to
: have had second thoughts about their plight.
I'm thinking of yours right now, Mr. Pascal's Wager, when you realise
that you backed the wrong horse and that some Mesopotamian deity kicks
your ass. Or will it be Scandinavian, or Japanese, perhaps? Ah, who
cares - who knows? (certainly not you!)
: >>But Earl, in a way YOU are very good for us. "There but for the grace of
: >>god, go I."
: >>
: And thank God I'm going that way.
Oh, you're so full of God's grace, aren't you? It's oozing out every
pore .... and so humble too!
: Thanks Dan - any time. If you had any truths behind your words, you
: would not have to call names.
They're not mutually exclusive, you idiot! 8-)
: You lose.
.. like it's some kind of game! Sad ...
: Earl
Pete C
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Tommy...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35a00e1c...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>,
ewe...@bellsouth.net (Earl Weber) wrote:
>
> On 5 Jul 1998 20:39:59 GMT, "Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Earl Weber wrote in message <359f9d1a...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
> >>
> >>>You see, it's really the Fourth of July that guarantees that people
> >>>It is our forefathers that led the charge for religious freedom and
> >>>all freedoms for that matter.
What Catholic forefathers led what charge for religious freedom and all
freedoms for that matter?
TommyE
Earl Weber
On 6 Jul 1998 01:29:35 GMT, lot...@aol.com (Lots42) wrote:
>>Earl -- >In the "exodus", the jews protected themselves from death by spreading
>>>the blood of an unblemished lamb over the door when God took the 1st
>>>born.
>>
>>Thanks for giving us reasons why it was good to leave the RCC.
>>
If that's why you left, you're in worst condition than I thought.
Earl
Earl Weber
>>
>>You know Earl, not everyone here appreciates your *contributions* to arc.
>>This is obvious no? But I have stated several times that your contributions
>>were welcome because they serve as reminders to us of the fucked up messes
>>we used to be (religiously speaking) and are striving to recover from.
So, eh, you telling me, uh, that God, uh, is at fault for your messes,
or yet the RCC?
You will equally remember that I said I too left the RCC for 20 years.
And one day I came to realize that there must be more to life than I
was seeing - just wine, women, and song. And that there must be
something more such as life after life. Just look at the human body,
or the male/female unity, or the stars and universe at night, and you
might come to realize what I already have. That there has got to be a
supreme being - God is a good name.
>>But I am now reconsidering those well intended but slightly misguided
>>welcomes. The reason? I now suspect that some of your more ridiculous
>>utterances of late would set you at odds even from the rcc, or least from
>>amongst the most sensible of the lot. In other words, your twisted view of
>>the world is representative not of the church which you hypocritically claim
>>to defend, but only of your own dementia, and nothing else.
Aw shucks, SteveH, you just don't like the way I hit back at the trash
insults constantly coming my way compliments of your insider group
alt.trashthecatholics.
>
>>Think about it for a minute Earl, then keep posting rcc+ if that is what you
>>wish.
>>
>>SteveH
>>Ooooooooh so happy xRC
Earl
An Ooooooooh so happy practicing RC.
Earl Weber
>>Your postings are good for me too, Earlie-baby! Let me explain;
>>The more I read your po-faced, self-righteous, ill-informed, judgemental
>>dribblings, the more I inch away from the clutches of the RCC. Your
>>example is literally driving me (and others) away. I hope you're
>>satisfied with your 'good work' ....
>>
Hey if you're leaving because someone posts RCC+, so be it.
>>: Good, I'm glad to see the concept of religious freedom flying it's
>>: flag in this ng. Not a strong point of the alt.trashthecatholics.
>>
>>Well, duh! The newsgroup is a forum for those recovering FROM Catholicism,
>>as the original NewGroup says (as well you know!). Time after time,
>>regulars on this newsgroup have re-instated that all - theists or not -
>>are welcome, provided they honour the purpose of this group.
>>
I'm posting right on subject. You left, and I'm posting RCC+. You
might come back.
>>: Yes, you, and especially the alt.trashthecatholics, are trying to
>>: enforce your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, on me.
>>
>>Bwahaha. Poor Earlie-baby, the martyred Catholic! Everyone's out
>>to get you, right? If you don't like the opinions being 'enforced'
>>upon you here, then unsubscribe now. It's as easy as that ....
No not martyred at all. I love it on this ng. And I intend to stay.
>>: Oh, I'm not perceiving anything. The alt.trashthecatholics have
>>: expressed nothing but hatred for me. So much for your unacknowledged
>>: demons.
>>
>>I don't hate you, Earlie-baby. I pity you. Seriously.
Oh that's ok. Seriously.
Because I pity you. Seriously.
>>
>>: Oh I recognize everything I am saying. I am defending my self against
>>: the alt.trashthecatholics, or don't you realize that that is the real
>>: name of this ng.
>>
>>'Defending yourself'. Phbbbt! Oooh you're so big and strong!
No, its actually very easy.
>
>>: The bible leads us straight to the Roman Catholic Church, the church
>>: that Jesus Christ founded.
>>
>>For example; 'Suffer not a witch to live' (Exodus 22:18). So where does
>>this tie into Catholicism? Oh, of course, Pope Innocent IX and his
>>Bull against witches of 1486. Isn't the Bible wonderful! *sigh*
In the OT, God prepares his people for the coming of the messiah.
Besides, witches, if real, certainly go against God.
>>: Or didn't you understand that. And it's going to be around for a long
>>: long time, long after the alt.trashthecatholics have had the chance to
>>: have had second thoughts about their plight.
>>
>>I'm thinking of yours right now, Mr. Pascal's Wager, when you realise
>>that you backed the wrong horse and that some Mesopotamian deity kicks
>>your ass. Or will it be Scandinavian, or Japanese, perhaps? Ah, who
>>cares - who knows? (certainly not you!)
The wrong horse! You mean God?
>>: >>But Earl, in a way YOU are very good for us. "There but for the grace of
>>: >>god, go I."
>>: >>
>>: And thank God I'm going that way.
>>
>>Oh, you're so full of God's grace, aren't you? It's oozing out every
>>pore .... and so humble too!
I just thank God, and his grace for the way that I am, that I am not
following you and your group of lost souls called
alt.trashthecatholic.
>>: Thanks Dan - any time. If you had any truths behind your words, you
>>: would not have to call names.
>>
>>They're not mutually exclusive, you idiot! 8-)
>>
>>: You lose.
>>
>>.. like it's some kind of game! Sad ...
>>
You lose because your words are empty and you must insult by calling
names in hopes of winning.
You lose.
Earl
Earl Weber
On 6 Jul 1998 04:15:36 GMT, "Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>>Earl Weber wrote in message <35a00e1c...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>>
>>
>>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>>
>> That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
NO one except my priest and I know what I said, and especially what he
said. And he's not telling.
Your clerical grapevine knows who to lie to and what to lie about.
Earl
Darklady
padre...@mail.snet.net wrote in message
<6nr3t5$cnn$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> (Same tired old argument again)
>> Jesus never founded a church. He lived and died a Jew.
>
>Don't you understand, Darklady? Watch the movie, never mind the book!
Cecil
>B. DeMilles put it right on the silver screen for us: "THE RCC IS THE
CHURCH
>OF CHRIST" Besides, the catholic church wrote the book. Of course, it
leads
>right to the catholic church. It makes perfect sense to me!!!
I know... I don't know what I was thinking. My boyfriend pointed out
the same thing. Since the RCC assembled the books into the Bible OF COURSE
it would logically follow that they would assume the Bible "logically"
points to the RCC. Not that it does, of course. That's my problem, I
guess. I began with the question seeking the answer instead of having the
answer and then finding the right question.
Darklady
Former RC
Darklady wrote:
Damn, P_A and DL, will ya get it right...it's all in the script....ya just
gotta ask Charlton Heston whatever it is ya want to know because he was the
chosen one, I mean the one they picked to play god or Moses or one of those
guys......it's all right there in the script, I mean the bible..........I mean
the bible as script, as truth....as what the church said it is because it just
is and you don't have to think a lot about it because it's the truth that
always was, even before time began because time is not timeless in god's world
because he created it and so he said so and that is how it is, qnd besides
it's in the script. You got that, huh? Whew, ok? <wink>
Former RC
Kristin Bachman
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Earl Weber wrote:
>>>For example; 'Suffer not a witch to live' (Exodus 22:18). So where does
>>>this tie into Catholicism? Oh, of course, Pope Innocent IX and his
>>>Bull against witches of 1486. Isn't the Bible wonderful! *sigh*
>
>In the OT, God prepares his people for the coming of the messiah.
>Besides, witches, if real, certainly go against God.
IF they are real? Earl - baby - they are! Although most people
accept them now, as women can legally own land and are encouraged to be
assertive. You heard me - many the women killed in the Burning Times were
killed simply because they didn't bend over.
Oh, wait - you mean real witches that cast spells, don't you? You
want me to introduce my friends? Or for that matter, myself? We may go
against YOUR idea of god - your "lilly-white", "perfect", jealous,
misogynistic, psycho of a God - after all, we do tend to be more ethical
and life-affirming than his followers.
But most of the witches I know (those that follow a deity, some
don't) believe that a) all Gods/Goddesses are the same under different
names and masks; b) all paths to Deity are valid; and c) people like you
have mistaken the path for the destination.
Kbachman
ICQ #14465746
rider<at>csd.uwm.edu
Steve H
Earl Weber wrote in message <35a1118c...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>
>>><SteveH wrote>
>>>You know Earl, not everyone here appreciates your *contributions* to arc.
>>>This is obvious no? But I have stated several times that your
contributions
>>>were welcome because they serve as reminders to us of the fucked up
messes
>>>we used to be (religiously speaking) and are striving to recover from.
>
>So, eh, you telling me, uh, that God, uh, is at fault for your messes,
>or yet the RCC?
The rcc Earl, not God.
Unlike the atheists here I still like to give God credit for creating this
universe, bad and good all wound up together. But I no longer give the rcc
credit for guiding me to religious enlightenment. Let me be clear on this:
I do believe in a God and it is a God of kindness and mercy.
I do believe in the messages given by Jesus Christ in Christianity and
others in their respective religions throughout history - they all share the
common threads of moral teaching.
I do not believe that the rcc is the sole representative of the kingdom of
God. In fact it has left the path of the righteousness that it purports to
uphold, and become corrupt.
I do believe that one can uphold their faith in God and all his/her
teachings and yet reject the twisted mess that the rcc would have us
believe.
Earl FYI my God views all humans, regardless of race, religion, gender,
disability, age, place of residence, material posessions or sexual
orientation as equal.
E Q U A L.
Plain and simple, no corollaries, caveats or quid pro quo.
Equal - even you Earl ;-)
How does your God view all humans?
SteveH
Steve H
What really gets me shaking my head is how this numbskull can evoke all
these responses to his semi-comatose postings.
SteveH
padre...@mail.snet.net wrote in message
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Steve H
padre...@mail.snet.net wrote in message
<6nr2ra$aj6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
<snip>
>I guess
>the orthodox church, if it really has an unbroken apostolic succession, is
>THE church the bible leads to, if one can make that statement at all. I
>certainly wouldn't want to claim that owing to the way they treat women in
>that church.
How do they treat women in the Orthodox church? In my limited experience as
the spouse of a female member of the Orthodox church I would have said that
it is no better or worse than most other Christian religions including the
rcc.
SteveH
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <35a110b7...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>,
ewe...@bellsouth.net (Earl Weber) wrote:
>
> On 6 Jul 1998 04:15:36 GMT, "Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> >>Earl Weber wrote in message <35a00e1c...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
> >> That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
>
> NO one except my priest and I know what I said, and especially what he
> said. And he's not telling.
Well, well, maroon, it looks like he sold you out to protect his butt, cause
he told us.
> Your clerical grapevine knows who to lie to and what to lie about.
The grapevine she's referring to is catholic, maroon. Catholics lie? Tsk,
tsk, tsk... What a twisted (or was it wicked?) web we weave!!
> Earl
P_A
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <35A16752...@maine.rr.com>,
now saying that Moses is in favor of guns. We should watch more of those
movies and become just as learned as... you know... the maroon. I bet you
they'd turn out much better priests if they changed the curriculum in the
seminaries to include such learned pieces as The Life of Bryan, the Robe and
the Last Temptation of Christ.
padre...@mail.snet.net
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980706...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>,
Excellent, Kristin!! Mistaking the path for the destination is the perennial
sin of idolatry committed by religiopaths like this maroon.
am...@snet.net
Because I saw that movie and I know Yul Brynner was not Egyptian!
AMBAN
Lisa...@earthling.net
Lisa...@earthling.net
Lisa...@earthling.net
Kristin Bachman
>> We may go
>>>against YOUR idea of god - your "lilly-white", "perfect", jealous,
>>>misogynistic, psycho of a God - after all, we do tend to be more ethical
>>>and life-affirming than his followers.
>
>Earl -- Then you go against God.
>
>I'm sorry. I just can't resist. Earl just admitted his God is psycho.
You read my mind, Lots.
What's more, he just admitted that if we are more ethical and
life-affirming than Cathlopaths, we go against God. Maybe Earl thinks
we'll steal God's attention away from him.
As if God pays any attention to him anyways.
Earl Weber
>> IF they are real? Earl - baby - they are! Although most people
>>accept them now, as women can legally own land and are encouraged to be
>>assertive. You heard me - many the women killed in the Burning Times were
>>killed simply because they didn't bend over.
>>
>> Oh, wait - you mean real witches that cast spells, don't you? You
>>want me to introduce my friends? Or for that matter, myself?
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather not stand too close to you. >g>
> We may go
>>against YOUR idea of god - your "lilly-white", "perfect", jealous,
>>misogynistic, psycho of a God - after all, we do tend to be more ethical
>>and life-affirming than his followers.
Then you go against God.
>> But most of the witches I know (those that follow a deity, some
>>don't) believe that a) all Gods/Goddesses are the same under different
>>names and masks; b) all paths to Deity are valid; and c) people like you
>>have mistaken the path for the destination.
>>
Ask your gods for life eternal just before your life on earth comes to
an end. Your mistake.
Earl
Earl Weber
>>>
>>
>>Excellent, Kristin!! Mistaking the path for the destination is the perennial
>>sin of idolatry committed by religiopaths like this maroon.
>>
>>P_A
You were the RC priest, Andy
If she follows your advice, she's done for.
Earl
Earl Weber
>>> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
>>
>> That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
>>>
>>> NO one except my priest and I know what I said, and especially what he
>>> said. And he's not telling.
>>
>Well, well, maroon, it looks like he sold you out to protect his butt, cause
>>he told us.
Why, Andy, I personally think you lack the morals to tell the truth
about anything. Personally, I believe you yourself called him faking
to be a priest in good standing and tried to drag the truth out of
him. Such a nasty is well within your illlustrated personality.
Faking is the only way you qualify for anything.
And you must be a real low life to try to pull it off.
>>> Your clerical grapevine knows who to lie to and what to lie about.
>>
>>The grapevine she's referring to is catholic, maroon. Catholics lie? Tsk,
>>tsk, tsk... What a twisted (or was it wicked?) web we weave!!
Yes you are very wicked, andy.
Earl
>>
>>
Earl Weber
>>The rcc Earl, not God.
Ok, so you were unhappy.
>>Unlike the atheists here I still like to give God credit for creating this
>>universe, bad and good all wound up together.
Which religion then? The protesters openly ignore the words of Christ
in the NT.
But I no longer give the rcc
>>credit for guiding me to religious enlightenment. Let me be clear on this:
>>I do believe in a God and it is a God of kindness and mercy.
How do you explain "suffering"
>>I do believe in the messages given by Jesus Christ in Christianity and
>>others in their respective religions throughout history - they all share the
>>common threads of moral teaching.
Then you're not a Protester.
>>I do not believe that the rcc is the sole representative of the kingdom of
>>God.
Neither do I. I fully believe that the Protesters love God and Jesus
Christ.
> In fact it has left the path of the righteousness that it purports to
>>uphold, and become corrupt.
>>I do believe that one can uphold their faith in God and all his/her
>>teachings and yet reject the twisted mess that the rcc would have us
>>believe.
You mean like Baptism for salvation, Sacrement of Reconcilation, Holy
Eucharist, Holy Orders, the Papacy (not a sacrement), etc. They all
come directly from the NT.
>>
>>
>>Earl FYI my God views all humans, regardless of race, religion, gender,
>>disability, age, place of residence, material posessions or sexual
>>orientation as equal.
>>
>>E Q U A L.
>>Plain and simple, no corollaries, caveats or quid pro quo.
>>
>>Equal - even you Earl ;-)
So do I, Stevie.
>How does your God view all humans?
>>
>>SteveH
Sounds like you have decided to worship God almighty, my God and
yours.
Earl
Lots42
>>against YOUR idea of god - your "lilly-white", "perfect", jealous,
>>misogynistic, psycho of a God - after all, we do tend to be more ethical
>>and life-affirming than his followers.
Earl -- Then you go against God.
I'm sorry. I just can't resist. Earl just admitted his God is psycho.
Lots42 -- That's not bacon, it's nature!
Darklady
>
>>>> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>
>>>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
>
>Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
>seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
1) If they'd kicked him out of the seminary he wouldn't have been able
to have been a priest.
2) Watch some old Bug Bunny, ya maroon.
3) But in your case... you just might be right.
padre...@mail.snet.net
What advice have I given her, maroon? You just had to say something, and
again, what you wrote doesn't fit. Why don't you quit while you're behind?
P_A
padre...@mail.snet.net
Lots,
It's just this maroon's nature. He just has to attack and say anything, even
if it contradicts something he just wrote in the same article or makes no
sense at all. Keep reading, Lots, he'll continue to make a maroon out of
himself.
padre...@mail.snet.net
ewe...@bellsouth.net (Earl Weber) wrote:
>
> >>> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>
> >>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
>
> Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
> seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
First of all, they did not kick me out of the seminary.
Second, perhaps you meant to write "That's" and not "that"? Where did YOU
learn how to spell?
Thirdly, I prefer 'maroon'. I got it from Bugs Bunny and I like the sound of
it better. AND, this is a free news group, and like YOU,... MAROON, I can
write whatever I want. BŞ
> >>
> >> That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
> >>>
> >>> NO one except my priest and I know what I said, and especially what he
> >>> said. And he's not telling.
> >>
> >Well, well, maroon, it looks like he sold you out to protect his butt, cause
> >>he told us.
>
> Why, Andy, I personally think you lack the morals to tell the truth
> about anything. Personally, I believe you yourself called him faking
> to be a priest in good standing and tried to drag the truth out of
> him. Such a nasty is well within your illlustrated personality.
Why, maroon, you're judging, and the savior you claim for your own told you
not to judge. You don't listen to reason, to your priest, and even to Jesus.
You're precious on this ng. You're what we might call the rcc's dirty
laundry. You stink to high heaven.
>
> Faking is the only way you qualify for anything.
>
> And you must be a real low life to try to pull it off.
>
Just like you're faking efforts at recovering all of us for the rcc? And you
pretend you're pulling it off. Who's the low life?
> >>> Your clerical grapevine knows who to lie to and what to lie about.
> >>
> >>The grapevine she's referring to is catholic, maroon. Catholics lie? Tsk,
> >>tsk, tsk... What a twisted (or was it wicked?) web we weave!!
>
> Yes you are very wicked, andy.
>
> Earl
>
>
Actually, maroon, the word I was looking for was 'tangled', and I was
referring to catholics like you who lie while pretending to be scandalized by
what you perceive as other people's lies.
Wicked? It takes one to know one, maroon.
padre...@mail.snet.net
"Darklady" <dark...@spiritone.com> wrote:
> Earl Weber wrote in message <35a952a7...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
> >
> >
> >>>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
> >
> >Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
> >seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
>
> to have been a priest.
> 2) Watch some old Bug Bunny, ya maroon.
> 3) But in your case... you just might be right.
>
> Darklady
> http://www.spiritone.com/~darklady
> ICQ 10830459
> Atheist #184
>
well. His posts reflect it rather clearly, perhaps even to himself, yet, he
continues to write the same drivel. That's what makes him a maroon.
am...@snet.net
lot...@aol.com (Lots42) wrote:
> > We may go
> >>against YOUR idea of god - your "lilly-white", "perfect", jealous,
> >>misogynistic, psycho of a God - after all, we do tend to be more ethical
> >>and life-affirming than his followers.
>
> Earl -- Then you go against God.
>
> I'm sorry. I just can't resist. Earl just admitted his God is psycho.
>
> Lots42 -- That's not bacon, it's nature!
>
>
his/her comic relief.
AMBAN
Steve H
<snip>
>Sounds like you have decided to worship God almighty, my God and
>yours.
>
>Earl
Yeah, sort of, but worship is not the word I would use. More like *seek*.
But doesn't it make you wonder how you and I can have such diametrically
opposite views of the rcc?
For you the rcc seems to equal God.
For me it has failed miserably at upholding the virtues that God espouses.
It has woven its secular version of the truth, it has closed itself off from
introspection and constructive criticism, it has built a glorious and
impressive hierarchy which seems to bear little connection with the average
person that Jesus could relate to on the street, it has discriminated
against women, homosexuals, and those of other races and religions, the list
goes on beyond my comprehension or experience.
But these are all human failings and shortcomings, surely one must accept
them in the spirit of tolerance and forgiveness, right?
Wrong. Because the rcc does not seem to accept the fact that it consists
entirely of humans, which are subject to human frailty and error. It seems
to have this attitude of divine guidance, such that it can do no wrong.
That one issue, aside from all the other kit and kaboodle is why I have left
the rcc and will not return. I will learn my moral lessons of life elsewhere
and will seek God in my own way, thank you very much.
SteveH
Levi
this:
>Earl Weber wrote in message <35a952a7...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>>
>>>>> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>>
>>>>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
>>
>>Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
>>seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
>
> 1) If they'd kicked him out of the seminary he wouldn't have been able
>to have been a priest.
> 2) Watch some old Bug Bunny, ya maroon.
What was the whole line? it was something like "What a maroon, what a
tah-rah-rah goon-de-ay."?
> 3) But in your case... you just might be right.
A moron by any other name.... ;)
later,
Levi
Robert M. Dye
>
> >>> >>>Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest.
>
> >>Me thinks thou dost protest too much, maroon!!!
>
posting here anymore. If you didn't lie to him outright, you certainly
deceived him.
> Didn't they teach you how to spell before they kicked you out of the
> seminary? That "moron", not "maroon".
> >>
> >> That's not what the clerical grape-vine tells me.
> >>>
> >>> NO one except my priest and I know what I said, and especially what he
> >>> said. And he's not telling.
> >>
> >Well, well, maroon, it looks like he sold you out to protect his butt, cause
> >>he told us.
>
> Why, Andy, I personally think you lack the morals to tell the truth
> about anything. Personally, I believe you yourself called him faking
> to be a priest in good standing and tried to drag the truth out of
> him. Such a nasty is well within your illlustrated personality.
>
No, it was not Andy, at least not when I called Fr. Vu. And I don't have
to lie to say I am a priest in good standing, I *am* a priest in good
standing. I tried six ways from Sunday to explain to you why you ought
not post here. I tried an appeal from Christian Charity. I tried an
appeal from good manners. I tried an appeal simply from what is *right.*
You weren't having any of it.
You embarrass me, Earl. If the Church were even halfway what your
example presents it to be, I'd have left a long time ago.
And as for that nonsense about how you "listen to priests who are in
good standing," I think we all know by now (participants and lurkers
alike) the true value of ANY statement you make.
Rob (a.k.a The Rev. Robert M. Dye, Diocese of Tulsa, Oklahoma)
Charles Bufe
Thanks for posting this. It reaffirms my belief that even though the rcc
is a destructive institution, there are still a lot of decent
individuals--not just mentally ill disrupters--within it.
Chaz
am...@snet.net
Darklady
>Robert M. Dye wrote:
>> Rob (a.k.a The Rev. Robert M. Dye, Diocese of Tulsa, Oklahoma)
>
>Thanks for posting this. It reaffirms my belief that even though the rcc
>is a destructive institution, there are still a lot of decent
>individuals--not just mentally ill disrupters--within it.
Hear, hear!
Thanks Fr. Dye and I agree, Charles. Although I have no interest in
being a member of the RCC, I know many fine people who still are involved.
And some of my very best friends are folks who used to be... and deeply
involved, at that.