HipCrime currently running on Compuserve
hipcrime@feedme
Hi Robert ...
Just noticed that your below attached posting
got cancelled. What's the matter? Does the
Cancel Cabal not want people to realize that:
1. HipCrime's NewsAgent really really works.
2. There are lots of open NNTP servers around.
3. It is possible to change locations each and
every day, thus making it impossible to stop.
4. When a few more people use it, cancels will
be dead (and the Cancel Cabal will lose its
already tarnished luster).
Anyway, just wanted to help out, by reposting
your last two "HipCrime has Moved! (again)"
announcements. Enquiring minds want to know!
... HipCrime
P.S. HipCrime's NewsAgent (v0.08) is now
available for public download, so anybody
who wants in on the cancel-game should get
in touch with me to obtain a download URL.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:00:03 -0700
From: "Robert H. Eisner" <rhei...@worldnet.att.net>
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It looks like the HipCrime Rogue CancelBot has moved to Compuserve!
It's currently cancelling posts in the alt.politics.* News groups.
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Andrew Gierth
>>>>> "hipcrime" == hipcrime <hipcrime@feedME> writes:
[I dunno why I bother, but anyway....]
hipcrime> Hi Robert ...
hipcrime> Just noticed that your below attached posting got
hipcrime> cancelled.
No, it didn't. You're imagining things.
hipcrime> What's the matter? Does the Cancel Cabal not want people
hipcrime> to realize that:
hipcrime> 1. HipCrime's NewsAgent really really works.
Yawn. So? Vulis's bot works (both the original, and the malicious
Windows version). So did Enlow's. It's not as though you're the first
person to write one.
hipcrime> 2. There are lots of open NNTP servers around.
We know.
Do *you* know how many of them are traps laid specifically for you
or other abusers?
hipcrime> 3. It is possible to change locations each and every day,
hipcrime> thus making it impossible to stop.
Nah. You've not provoked any real counter-efforts yet.
hipcrime> 4. When a few more people use it, cancels will be dead (and
hipcrime> the Cancel Cabal will lose its already tarnished luster).
Vulis said that a couple of years ago. Enlow said it last year. Don't
you get the message yet?
--
Andrew.
hipcrime@feedme
Hi Andrew ...
Sure, there's other cancelAgents on the 'net,
but for some reason, they seem to be hard to
obtain. Not so, with HipCrime's NewsAgent.
And yes, know full well that many open servers
are traps. That's exactly why Doug Spamless had
asked me to lay off of COSMO.LEGATO.COM, because
it was a kind of trap he had set for someone else.
Doesn't matter, since NakedNNTP can find lots more.
Besides, what're you gonna trap? Throwaway and
public-freebie accounts are no big deal. Surely
you know that.
As for the death of cancels, we all have our own
opinions, and only time (and netizens' choices)
will tell. Doesn't matter to me one way or the
other, but it *is* interesting to watch things
play themselves out.
... HipCrime
P.S. If these postings didn't get cancelled,
they why aren't they showing up in the
various newsfeeds and archives?
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Subject: Re: HipCrime currently running on Compuserve
From: Andrew Gierth <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1998/06/20
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Andrew Gierth
>>>>> "hipcrime" == hipcrime <hipcrime@feedME> writes:
hipcrime> Besides, what're you gonna trap? Throwaway and
hipcrime> public-freebie accounts are no big deal. Surely you know
hipcrime> that.
Not in your part of the world, they're not.
hipcrime> As for the death of cancels, we all have our own opinions,
hipcrime> and only time (and netizens' choices)
YM "admin's choices". Users have very little to do with it.
hipcrime> will tell. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but
hipcrime> it *is* interesting to watch things play themselves out.
So why are you trying to influence the outcome? If you're thinking
that this will somehow make spamming easier, then you're much
mistaken; filters, NoCeM-on-spool, filter streams, etc. etc. are all
available as alternatives, and you can do precisely nothing to
interfere with any of them. If anything, that will concentrate power
even more in the hands of a few people, the filter writers and the
NoCeM-issuers; is that really what you want?
So as an attack on the Evil Censorious Cancelling Cabal (which really
*doesn't* exist) it rather backfires, doesn't it?
hipcrime> P.S. If these postings didn't get cancelled, they why
hipcrime> aren't they showing up in the various newsfeeds and
hipcrime> archives?
Funny, I'm not having any trouble finding them, and I don't see any
cancels for them either.
--
Andrew.
Star Traveler
In article <358d4...@lightning.ica.net>, hipcrime@feedME wrote:
> Hi Doug ...
>
> On Saturnday 20 Jun 1998 20:49:53, in
> <MPG.ff622bcc...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> you wrote:
> >
> > OTOH, I can also guarantee that my bots are 100% non-content
> > based, which I believe is a unique situation for a despammer.
> >
>
> Not unique at all. My NewsAgent can cancel every article on
> the newsfeed, and you can NOT get less content-blind than that.
> Totally non-content based. Able to cancel everything in its path.
>
> Bottom line is, have redefined "spam" to mean "anything posted
> anywhere". It's all spam, or nothing is. Take your pick.
It is unfortunate that some people take a 2x4 across the side of the head
before they understand what you're talking about. "Free Speech" doesn't
seem to mean anything -- but "cancels" on the other hand -- is the
"language" that some of the scum "talk".
Now you're talking in their language. I think they'll be listening now.
Perhaps we can finally get to what is supposed to be going on -- once we
have their attention -- it's called "free speech."
Got it yet -- guys and girls??
>
> ... here's to a free (or empty) Usenet,
Better to have an empty one -- rather than have it inhabited by net-scum.
On the other hand, if the "net-scum" get smart -- perhaps they'll "get the
religion" and get with free speech.
>
> HipCrime
>
Keep up your political statement HipCrime. Certainly ordinary words and
normal logic don't work with gang-mentality. Only a shootout does.
xxx xxx
xxx A message xxx
xxx from the original, one & only xxx
xxx --> Star Traveler <-- xxx
xxx alde...@alt.net xxx
xxx -->>> http://www.aldeberan.org <<<-- xxx
xxx UDP-ed for warning about a scam at Texas.Net ISP xxx
xxx Protest FOR free speech at austin.internet xxx
xxx xxx
Does your news server allow forged cancels? That promotes censorship
on content. A UseNet Death Penalty was issued because of my warning
about a crooked ISP -- ** Texas.Net ** -- cheating the customers.
Complain in a post to austin.internet about the UDP and censorship!!
--
If your name is below -- you are either an idiot, liar, useless,
troublemaker or deserve no response -- and as such will get no
further response -- preventing the "flooding" of the newsgroups.
Chris Edmonson <lost...@mail.com> [the fool I'm ignoring]
Star Traveler Too <star_t...@inorbit.com> [the *fake* Star]
Dr. Benway
hipcrime@feedME wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew ...
>
> Sure, there's other cancelAgents on the 'net,
> but for some reason, they seem to be hard to
> obtain. Not so, with HipCrime's NewsAgent.
>
sooo... where do you live? hmmm? I'd like to come visit you...
I have some friends who'd like to meet you....