No, this isn't another goodbye message
Jnathan Downie
I don't know how many people will actually read this as I imagined by
now I have either been forgotten or killfiled. I just wanted to write
a post to say sorry for the way I behaved beofre. I was guilty of
judging people, lies, deceit, jumping on the bandwagon, and pride. I
hope you can all find it in your hearts to forgive me. Oklay, I
accept that sounds cheesy but I mean it.
Also, I would like to give some advice so that others don't make the
same mistake I did.
1) While people here may change or alter their views on certain
issues, it is very rare for them to totally change what they believe
just by your words. While it is true that as Christians we should
preach the gospel, don't get into a cavalier "I know best and here's
why" attitude in this ng. You will be ridiculed, ignored and you will
be casting your pearls before swine. The correct way is to minister
the gospel gently and with a lot of prayer.
2) Just becuase everyone else seems to be doing it, it doesn't mean
you have to. Flamefests and suchlike may be fun; it may also be fun
to take the mick out of others but at the end of the day ask yourself,
is it really worth it? Even though we can pretend to be someone else
here, words can still hurt.
3) In this group you reap what you sow. Or to put it another way "You
get out of this what you put in". That little quote from Steve is
more truthful than you would think. Only flame if you want to be
flamed back, only shout your opinions if you are ready for others to
return the favour.
4) Remember there is more to life than this group. At times I forgot
that and at times I treated the feelings of the people here like some
big game. Don't make that mistake. Also, if you are posting 1281
posts per day you are probably missing out on the best things in life
like God, friends, love, fresh air and wisdom.
Okay that is me.
I will prolly watch to see if anyone replies but apart from this
thread that is me. I can promise you that this time. After all, now
I have made peace with you all, it is best to move on.
Peace
Jonathan
Pastor John
jonatha...@yahoo.com says...
Pastor John
Suzi
Downie) wrote:
>I will prolly watch to see if anyone replies but apart from this
>thread that is me. I can promise you that this time. After all, now
>I have made peace with you all, it is best to move on.
You know, I never had anything against you, except when you weren't
honest.
Steven Schrader
Same here.
Later,
--
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com/
"Time seems to be standing still.
I want to eat some cotton candy."
- Kobo Abe, "Kangaroo Notebook"
Steven Schrader
<snip>
> 1) While people here may change or alter their views on certain
> issues, it is very rare for them to totally change what they believe
> just by your words.
*nod* Our words might give people a new way of thinking about something,
but it's ultimately their own deliberation over issues that will determine
what they believe.
> While it is true that as Christians we should
> preach the gospel, don't get into a cavalier "I know best and here's
> why" attitude in this ng. You will be ridiculed, ignored and you will
> be casting your pearls before swine.
The "casting your pearls before swine" thing I've never really liked. At
best it's insulting. At worst, it's horribly arrogant. Everything up to
that point was well said though.
> The correct way is to minister the gospel gently and with a lot of prayer.
*nod* Share your views. Be yourself. Let people see how your beliefs have
shaped your life. I would think that the folks who go around making angry
posts condemning others do little to inspire others to walk in their shoes.
> 2) Just becuase everyone else seems to be doing it, it doesn't mean
> you have to. Flamefests and suchlike may be fun; it may also be fun
> to take the mick out of others but at the end of the day ask yourself,
> is it really worth it?
Well, the flame fest is meant to be taken tongue in cheek - and the rules
were designed specifically to reflect that. You don't flame because you
want to insult people, you flame because you want to see how creatively you
can do so. Really no different then something like the limerick contest.
> Even though we can pretend to be someone else here, words can still hurt.
Of course they can hurt. They can also uplift, question, inspire, anger,
frighten, sadden, etc. All we are while we are in arc-t is a collection of
words.
> 3) In this group you reap what you sow. Or to put it another way "You
> get out of this what you put in". That little quote from Steve is
> more truthful than you would think. Only flame if you want to be
> flamed back, only shout your opinions if you are ready for others to
> return the favour.
*nod*
> 4) Remember there is more to life than this group.
I don't think that's really a problem here. Most folks are off doing other
things at the moment.
> that and at times I treated the feelings of the people here like some
> big game. Don't make that mistake. Also, if you are posting 1281
> posts per day you are probably missing out on the best things in life
> like God, friends, love, fresh air and wisdom.
I don't think how much you post really reflects that at all. When I was
posting #1 each month, it wasn't because I had less of a life, it was
because I was able to post from work, and so had more time in which to make
posts. And some posts simply take more time then others. You can make a
lot more short chit-chat posts in the same amount of time it takes you to
post long discussion posts.
Keep in mind too - many of us have found friendship and wisdom in this
group. Some of us have even found love. It's unfortunate that you may not
have had that same experience, but as you pointed out above, you get out of
a newsgroup what you put into it.
As for missing out on God, well, I suppose I'd have to wonder why you would
tune him out just because you're spending time posting to a newsgroup?
Particulary one that centers around religious discussion?
And if you want fresh air, you can always buy a laptop and a wireless. :)
Later,
--
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com/
"Hell is truth seen too late." - John Locke
Llama
"Steven Schrader" <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:43:45 GMT, Suzi wrote:
> > On 15 Jul 2003 07:54:41 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
> > Downie) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >I will prolly watch to see if anyone replies but apart from this
> > >thread that is me. I can promise you that this time. After all, now
> > >I have made peace with you all, it is best to move on.
> >
> > You know, I never had anything against you, except when you weren't
> > honest.
>
> Same here.
I'd like to say the same, but I didn't really pay attention to Downie.....I
feel bad now......
--
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Unofficial Llama
Professor of Hugs at the arc-t Cyberinstitute of Higher
Unconsciousness.
Professor of Vulcan Language at the arc-t Cyberinstitute
of Higher Unconsciousness
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Self-appointed aCHU Representative of Professors
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The Astute Andrew
> > On 15 Jul 2003 07:54:41 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
> > Downie) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >I will prolly watch to see if anyone replies but apart from this
> > >thread that is me. I can promise you that this time. After all, now
> > >I have made peace with you all, it is best to move on.
> >
> > You know, I never had anything against you, except when you weren't
> > honest.
>
> Same here.
Ditto.
<announcement>This has been another "me too" post by The Astute Andrew.
Thank you for listening. </announcement>
--
The Astute Andrew
Just a kid seeking enlightenment
aCHU's Official Spineless Lackey
Jnathan Downie
> On 15 Jul 2003 07:54:41 -0700, Jnathan Downie wrote:
> <snip>
Thanks for your inciteful response. I am going to reply to each issue
individually.
> > 1) While people here may change or alter their views on certain
> > issues, it is very rare for them to totally change what they believe
> > just by your words.
>
> *nod* Our words might give people a new way of thinking about something,
> but it's ultimately their own deliberation over issues that will determine
> what they believe.
I think that the best way to show someone a different point of view is
by living it. While the Bible is hot on preaching the gospel you also
have such verses as "let your light shine before men that they may see
your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven."
Probably one of the most damaging things to Christianity is those who
shoot their mouths off and don't live the life. That is just
hypocrisy. Not that anyone should say it is easy.
>
> > While it is true that as Christians we should
> > preach the gospel, don't get into a cavalier "I know best and here's
> > why" attitude in this ng. You will be ridiculed, ignored and you will
> > be casting your pearls before swine.
>
> The "casting your pearls before swine" thing I've never really liked. At
> best it's insulting. At worst, it's horribly arrogant. Everything up to
> that point was well said though.
I don't think it is meant to be a slight on those who do not receive
the Word. Even though the Bible does tell what will happen to them.
I think it is an image that would have meant a lot more to the jews at
the time. Basically it means that sometimes you have to accept that
some people will not receive Christ. That is one thing I have found
out to my own cost here. Not that I stop praying for people or just
plain give up. It is just that sometimes you have to take a step
back.
>
> > The correct way is to minister the gospel gently and with a lot of prayer.
>
> *nod* Share your views. Be yourself. Let people see how your beliefs have
> shaped your life. I would think that the folks who go around making angry
> posts condemning others do little to inspire others to walk in their shoes.
Yep. Sometimes the message is good but it is not preached in love.
That is as unbiblical as rejecting Christ altogether.
>
> > 2) Just becuase everyone else seems to be doing it, it doesn't mean
> > you have to. Flamefests and suchlike may be fun; it may also be fun
> > to take the mick out of others but at the end of the day ask yourself,
> > is it really worth it?
>
> Well, the flame fest is meant to be taken tongue in cheek - and the rules
> were designed specifically to reflect that. You don't flame because you
> want to insult people, you flame because you want to see how creatively you
> can do so. Really no different then something like the limerick contest.
The thing is that it easy for people to take the flme fest out of
context. I also think that people can get offended too easily or not
bother to explain what they actually meant.
>
> > Even though we can pretend to be someone else here, words can still hurt.
>
> Of course they can hurt. They can also uplift, question, inspire, anger,
> frighten, sadden, etc. All we are while we are in arc-t is a collection of
> words.
That is true. At the end of the day all this group is is a collection
of interestingly ordered 1s and 0s. Also what I meant was that it is
easy to project a fake personality here and that can be a decent
shield against offence but it doesn't always prevent people from
getting hurt.
>
> > 3) In this group you reap what you sow. Or to put it another way "You
> > get out of this what you put in". That little quote from Steve is
> > more truthful than you would think. Only flame if you want to be
> > flamed back, only shout your opinions if you are ready for others to
> > return the favour.
>
> *nod*
*double nod*
>
> > 4) Remember there is more to life than this group.
>
> I don't think that's really a problem here. Most folks are off doing other
> things at the moment.
I think that sometimes this group becomes too important. It happened
to me. I made the serious error of spending too much time here when I
should have been studying. Mind you I still got a 2.1 average this
year. ;-)
>
> > that and at times I treated the feelings of the people here like some
> > big game. Don't make that mistake. Also, if you are posting 1281
> > posts per day you are probably missing out on the best things in life
> > like God, friends, love, fresh air and wisdom.
>
> I don't think how much you post really reflects that at all. When I was
> posting #1 each month, it wasn't because I had less of a life, it was
> because I was able to post from work, and so had more time in which to make
> posts. And some posts simply take more time then others. You can make a
> lot more short chit-chat posts in the same amount of time it takes you to
> post long discussion posts.
I had access to post at uni and it became a problem for me. I spent
too much time posting here and not enough in the rest of life. I
gradually pahsed out the posts that would take a long time but it just
meant that I posted more chit chat posts. I can't believe I would be
the only one.
>
> Keep in mind too - many of us have found friendship and wisdom in this
> group. Some of us have even found love. It's unfortunate that you may not
> have had that same experience, but as you pointed out above, you get out of
> a newsgroup what you put into it.
I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
>
> As for missing out on God, well, I suppose I'd have to wonder why you would
> tune him out just because you're spending time posting to a newsgroup?
> Particulary one that centers around religious discussion?
Just because we discuss religion does not mean you can find God here.
God can operate outside of our reasoning after all "His ways are
higher then our ways."
And of course, true Christianity has little to do with mere religious
observance. It is not meant to be a religion but a relationship.
>
> And if you want fresh air, you can always buy a laptop and a wireless. :)
Just remember to get a hat, i got sunstroke yesterday!
>
> Later,
Jonathan
Suzi
wrote:
*snips*
>And if you want fresh air, you can always buy a laptop and a wireless. :)
*laughs*
>Later,
Suzi
Downie) wrote:
>Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.197e0fcc3...@news.rcn.com>...
>
*snips*
>I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
>stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
>ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
>about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
than off.
Oh, btw, know that I forgive you for whatever did or didn't happen w/
the whole lying thing. If you didn't lie, then I'm sorry for accusing
you. If you did, you don't have to admit it; I forgive you. So, if
you want to stay, I have nothing against you, Jnathan.
Jnathan Downie
> On 16 Jul 2003 14:26:58 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
> Downie) wrote:
>
> >Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.197e0fcc3...@news.rcn.com>...
> >
> *snips*
>
> >I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
> >stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
> >ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
> >about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
>
> Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
> person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
> People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
> necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
> than off.
That was two actually's in the same sentence! In the internet you
rarely know for sure that the person you are speaking to is actually
what they seem unless you know them IRL. There has been more than one
case of kids passin them off as 19/20 year olds.
And also there is no way of showing things that would normally be seen
in body loanguage over the net. Conversations on the net don't have
the nuances of real life.
>
> Oh, btw, know that I forgive you for whatever did or didn't happen w/
> the whole lying thing. If you didn't lie, then I'm sorry for accusing
> you. If you did, you don't have to admit it; I forgive you. So, if
> you want to stay, I have nothing against you, Jnathan.
I admit I made up the Michael Sturnbacher addy. It was an attempt to
start again, but it didn't work.
Thanks for your forgiveness.
JONATHAN
Steven Schrader
> On 16 Jul 2003 14:26:58 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
> Downie) wrote:
>
> >Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.197e0fcc3...@news.rcn.com>...
> >
> *snips*
>
> >I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
> >stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
> >ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
> >about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
>
> Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
> person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
> People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
> necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
> than off.
I think it depends a lot on the person. For me anyway, I tend to warm up to
people a lot faster online. I'm not a whole lot different AFAIK (I suppose
wersh or nick could confirm/negate that), but in "The Real World" I tend to
be pretty quiet until I get used to people.
I get the impression that's true for a lot of people - the folks I've met
from arc-t have certainly been quieter when I met them in person then they
normally are online (at first anyway).
<snip>
Later,
--
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com/
Steven Schrader
> moc.liamtoh@izusylsrepus (Suzi) wrote in message news:<3f1e5338...@news.charter.net>...
> > Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
> > person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
> > People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
> > necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
> > than off.
>
> That was two actually's in the same sentence! In the internet you
> rarely know for sure that the person you are speaking to is actually
> what they seem unless you know them IRL.
IRL, you don't always have all that great an idea of who a person really is
either, unless you have the opportunity to really get to know one another.
There are plenty of people online who I feel I know a lot better then people
I've met IRL. And there are certainly people I've met online who I feel I
haven't been able to get to know them at all.
> There has been more than one case of kids passin them off as 19/20 year
> olds.
Just goes to show how meaningless age really is. The thing is, whether they
are 19/20 or not doesn't really matter so much as their personality. If
they have a personality that comes across as that age, then more power to
'em.
> And also there is no way of showing things that would normally be seen
> in body loanguage over the net. Conversations on the net don't have
> the nuances of real life.
Conversations in real life don't have all of the nuances of the internet.
It's the same as phone conversations - you learn a new set of tools for
conveying emotion/mood/expression. There are plenty of people who seem
unable to grasp these new tools, and for them I would agree that forming
relationships on the net isn't likely to be all that rewarding (if even
possible).
> I admit I made up the Michael Sturnbacher addy.
Well _duh_. :D
> It was an attempt to start again, but it didn't work.
You don't need to "start again". You just need to be yourself.
Later,
--
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com/
"Good morning! How is everyone? It's now 6am. Time for sleepy
heads to wake up! Here's the list of your dead friends in the
order they died..." - Takeshi Kitano, "Battle Royale"
Jnathan Downie
> On 17 Jul 2003 07:55:06 -0700, Jnathan Downie wrote:
> > moc.liamtoh@izusylsrepus (Suzi) wrote in message news:<3f1e5338...@news.charter.net>...
> <snip>
> > > Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
> > > person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
> > > People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
> > > necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
> > > than off.
> >
> > That was two actually's in the same sentence! In the internet you
> > rarely know for sure that the person you are speaking to is actually
> > what they seem unless you know them IRL.
>
> IRL, you don't always have all that great an idea of who a person really is
> either, unless you have the opportunity to really get to know one another.
> There are plenty of people online who I feel I know a lot better then people
> I've met IRL. And there are certainly people I've met online who I feel I
> haven't been able to get to know them at all.
The thing is you have met IRL some of those you met on the net. Not
everyone may have a similar experience to you. The whole honesty
thing on the net means that a lot of the social conventions that are
used IRL are stripped away. While some may be daft, some of them are
actually pretty decent measures of protection. For instance, it would
be pretty acceptable for someone on the net to ask you if you were a
virgin but if they asked you that in real life it would not be that
acceptable.
>
> > There has been more than one case of kids passin them off as 19/20 year
> > olds.
>
> Just goes to show how meaningless age really is. The thing is, whether they
> are 19/20 or not doesn't really matter so much as their personality. If
> they have a personality that comes across as that age, then more power to
> 'em.
I am talking about the recent Shevaun Pennington case. Yes, it does
show that her parent could have probably done more and taken the samer
interest in her net habits as they did in her IRL ones but it also
shows the potential for decit over the net as the man sshe met thought
she was 19. In a recent test, where one girl spent two hours talking
on the net the number of times people trid to draw her into explicit
conversations was shocking. Yes I know there are ways to stop this
but that fact is that the openness of he internet encourages those who
may have even the slightest leaning that way to go for it as there is
very little chance of being prosecuted. There just isn't the same
fear of being caught on the net as iRL.
>
> > And also there is no way of showing things that would normally be seen
> > in body loanguage over the net. Conversations on the net don't have
> > the nuances of real life.
>
> Conversations in real life don't have all of the nuances of the internet.
>
> It's the same as phone conversations - you learn a new set of tools for
> conveying emotion/mood/expression. There are plenty of people who seem
> unable to grasp these new tools, and for them I would agree that forming
> relationships on the net isn't likely to be all that rewarding (if even
> possible).
From ym experience with my girlfriend I would say that yes there are
some things that are easier to discus on the phone but face-to-face
you have less danger of putting your foot in it as you can read
someone's facial expression and other indicators.
>
> > I admit I made up the Michael Sturnbacher addy.
>
> Well _duh_. :D
>
> > It was an attempt to start again, but it didn't work.
>
> You don't need to "start again". You just need to be yourself.
>
> Later,
Jonathan
Steven Schrader
> Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.198104949...@news.rcn.com>...
> > On 17 Jul 2003 07:55:06 -0700, Jnathan Downie wrote:
> > > That was two actually's in the same sentence! In the internet you
> > > rarely know for sure that the person you are speaking to is actually
> > > what they seem unless you know them IRL.
> >
> > IRL, you don't always have all that great an idea of who a person really is
> > either, unless you have the opportunity to really get to know one another.
> > There are plenty of people online who I feel I know a lot better then people
> > I've met IRL. And there are certainly people I've met online who I feel I
> > haven't been able to get to know them at all.
>
> The thing is you have met IRL some of those you met on the net. Not
> everyone may have a similar experience to you.
I'm not sure that it matters that I've met people here IRL, other then to
verify whether or not my impression of them via text was correct or not.
> The whole honesty thing on the net means that a lot of the social conventions
> that are used IRL are stripped away.
First off, this _is_ "real life". I've never really agreed with the notion
that someone things become unreal just because they're online. I've been
using the IRL convention too, just want to make this point clear.
And it's not so much that social conventions are "stripped away" - rather,
they're different. Just as you might follow a different set of social
"rules" in different social situations (a party, business meeting, etc.),
the same applies online.
> actually pretty decent measures of protection. For instance, it would
> be pretty acceptable for someone on the net to ask you if you were a
> virgin but if they asked you that in real life it would not be that
> acceptable.
I would find it pretty weird for someone to ask me that out of the blue in
either situation. Whether or not it is acceptable in any circumstance is
going to depend on the person. There are certainly people IRL who would
find it perfectly acceptable, just as those online who would not. There are
certainly those who choose to actually be _less_ open about such things on
the internet due to things like Google.
<snip>
> know there are ways to stop this
> but that fact is that the openness of he internet encourages those who
> may have even the slightest leaning that way to go for it as there is
> very little chance of being prosecuted. There just isn't the same
> fear of being caught on the net as iRL.
I'm not really sure how to fit this into a discussion on whether or not the
net is a valid medium for social interaction?
Sure, people can put on a false persona. People do that IRL as well.
It's hard to keep up such a persona though. One thing to do it for a few
hours in a chat room. Something else entirely to maintain it for an
extended period of time. Just look at how seriously folks here take
Auntie's "I'm a bad ass" persona. :)
<snip>
> > It's the same as phone conversations - you learn a new set of tools for
> > conveying emotion/mood/expression. There are plenty of people who seem
> > unable to grasp these new tools, and for them I would agree that forming
> > relationships on the net isn't likely to be all that rewarding (if even
> > possible).
>
> From ym experience with my girlfriend I would say that yes there are
> some things that are easier to discus on the phone but face-to-face
> you have less danger of putting your foot in it as you can read
> someone's facial expression and other indicators.
I thikn you're missing my point here. There are _different_ indicators for
every form of communication. Facial indicators are inappropriate for a
phone conversation so we resort to vocal nuance or other indicators instead.
Online, you learn a person's posting style, or more crudely, folks have used
emoticons to give a quick indication of mood (which can be interesting when
they use opposing emoticon/posting style to express sarcasm).
Every time we embrace a new method of communcation, we have to clear the
hurdle of developing/learning a whole new method of conveying emotion/mood,
etc.
<snip>
Later,
--
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com/
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Jnathan Downie wrote in message
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Jonathan,
I forgive you. I think we need to be balanced in ALL things. I don't want
you to go away! Just post when you have the time and have something to
contribute.
I've been soooooo busy with work that I haven't had much time to enter in
too much.
Your words show you have a love for others and that you have matured. Life
is like that.
Whatever you decide, I'm here for ya!
Blessings to you!
Jane
Hall
>from arc-t have certainly been quieter when I met them in person then they
>normally are online (at first anyway).
>
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>Later,
>--
>Steven Schrader
what you get in person.
LOL!
Jane
Suzi
Downie) wrote:
>moc.liamtoh@izusylsrepus (Suzi) wrote in message news:<3f1e5338...@news.charter.net>...
>> On 16 Jul 2003 14:26:58 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
>> Downie) wrote:
>>
>> >Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.197e0fcc3...@news.rcn.com>...
>> >
>> *snips*
>>
>> >I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
>> >stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
>> >ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
>> >about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
>
>
>>
>> Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
>> person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
>> People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
>> necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
>> than off.
>
>That was two actually's in the same sentence!
yes...yes, it was...
>n the internet you
>rarely know for sure that the person you are speaking to is actually
>what they seem unless you know them IRL.
hmm, that is true in a way...but, i'm more fake in real life than
online... (not that i'm fake, just not entirely me...)
>there has been more than one
>case of kids passin them off as 19/20 year olds.
>And also there is no way of showing things that would normally be seen
>in body loanguage over the net. Conversations on the net don't have
>the nuances of real life.
>
>>
>> Oh, btw, know that I forgive you for whatever did or didn't happen w/
>> the whole lying thing. If you didn't lie, then I'm sorry for accusing
>> you. If you did, you don't have to admit it; I forgive you. So, if
>> you want to stay, I have nothing against you, Jnathan.
>
>I admit I made up the Michael Sturnbacher addy. It was an attempt to
>start again, but it didn't work.
>Thanks for your forgiveness.
Thank you VERY much for admitting to that. And, it is easier for me
to forgive knowing that you actually admitted the lie. So, thank you,
and I welcome you back to the group, Jnathan.
>JONATHAN
Suzi
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:45:06 GMT, Suzi wrote:
>> On 16 Jul 2003 14:26:58 -0700, jonatha...@yahoo.com (Jnathan
>> Downie) wrote:
>>
>> >Steven Schrader <st...@arc-t.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.197e0fcc3...@news.rcn.com>...
>> >
>> *snips*
>>
>> >I tend to prefer talking face to face. Recent high profile news
>> >stories do show the dangers of seeing the internet as equal with other
>> >ways of talking to people. the truth is you just don't learn as much
>> >about someone from talking on the internet as you do face to face.
>>
>> Actually, through the Internet, you actually learn more about a
>> person's personality than you do in real life (a lot of the time).
>> People are often more open on the Internet. I'm not saying it's
>> necssarily a good thing, just that I find people are more open online
>> than off.
>
>I think it depends a lot on the person.
*nod*
>For me anyway, I tend to warm up to
>people a lot faster online.
me too.
> I'm not a whole lot different AFAIK (I suppose
>wersh or nick could confirm/negate that), but in "The Real World" I tend to
>be pretty quiet until I get used to people.
>
>I get the impression that's true for a lot of people - the folks I've met
>from arc-t have certainly been quieter when I met them in person then they
>normally are online (at first anyway).
Yeah, personally, I'm more talkative online I think, or at least at
first definitely. I have a shy tendency, but once I feel comfortable,
I'll talk more. But, I'm still not as open (and probably could never
be) with people I know in real life compared to those I know online.
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>Later,
Steven Schrader
:) Same here actually. I wasn't saying that people were different though -
more that people were just a bit more reserved at first - until the ice
broke anyway...