Could A.V. product without updates be credible?
R. Guillaume
Hi everybody,
I need some experts advice for the advertising of an A.V. product.
The name is VIGUARD antivirus, by TEAGAM INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY.
The advertisig on the box is;
"The only A.V. soft of the market it will never need any update and
able to detect any virus passed, present and future..."
For me it's a hoax, a lie, how can this product detect new signatures
and clean files without update database?
That what i told to people when he published classify in a newsgroup
for this software... But he answer me i was wrong, whitout any other
explanations except the advertising...
What does specialists of A.V. Soft think about this?
Thank you for your answers..
(please remove NOSPAM if you want answer in e-mail)
R.GUILLAUME
email: rus...@clubNOSPAM-internet.fr
Pierre Vandevenne
In <63jqhn$opp$1...@newsfeeds.grolier.fr>, rus...@club-internet.fr (R. Guillaume) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I need some experts advice for the advertising of an A.V. product.
>The name is VIGUARD antivirus, by TEAGAM INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY.
>The advertisig on the box is;
That was just total bullshit. This program was probably the worst piece of
anti-virus software ever written. It even beats another almost totally
worthless "ultimate protection" often advertised here.
A few years ago, when I wasn't linked to a competitive product, I was asked
an evaluation by a major french account. E-mail me if you are really interested,
I _may_ find it and I think it can be disclosed.
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Martin Overton
Hi,
On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:21:52 GMT, rus...@club-internet.fr (R.
Guillaume) wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I need some experts advice for the advertising of an A.V. product.
>The name is VIGUARD antivirus, by TEAGAM INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY.
>The advertisig on the box is;
>
>"The only A.V. soft of the market it will never need any update and
>able to detect any virus passed, present and future..."
>
>For me it's a hoax, a lie, how can this product detect new signatures
>and clean files without update database?
>That what i told to people when he published classify in a newsgroup
>for this software... But he answer me i was wrong, whitout any other
>explanations except the advertising...
>
>What does specialists of A.V. Soft think about this?
Well we better all quit now then and find something else to do with
our time ;-)
This is not the first package to make this claim, and it certainly
won't be the last, even though this has been flogged to death here
many times.
The only way to keep a PC virus free (assuming it's clean first ;-))
is to leave it switched off! To be doubly sure, take it outside, pour
petrol over it and set fire to it. Or if you're like Alan Solomon,
take an axe to it!
There is no way known (and still have a usuable PC at the end) to
completely protect your PC from viruses. The best you can do it use a
multi-layered approach. This contains at the very least the following
components:
1. Regular BACKUPS (daily at least, one tape for each day of the week,
one for each week, and one for each month.
2. An up-to-date scanner (preferably On-Access).
3. Generic virus detection (integrity checking, etc.)
This will take your protection up to around 98% and would cover known
as well as new viruses and trojans.
More details can be found in the paper for the 1996 Virus Bulletin
conference entitled "Anti-virus in the Corporate Arena" available on
my website.
>Thank you for your answers..
Hope this helps?
Regards,
Martin Overton - Author of ChekMate - Chek...@Cavalry.com
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Graham Cluley
Martin Overton writes:
> Or if you're like Alan Solomon, take an axe to it!
We really should get that AVI file up on our website.
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Graham Cluley
Pierre writes:
> That was just total bullshit. This program was probably the worst piece
> of anti-virus software ever written. It even beats another almost
> totally worthless "ultimate protection" often advertised here.
Norman Hirsch's magic crystals? No, they definitely work.
Martin Overton
On 3 Nov 1997 13:19:14 -0000, san...@cix.co.uk ("Graham Cluley")
wrote:
>Martin Overton writes:
>> Or if you're like Alan Solomon, take an axe to it!
>
>We really should get that AVI file up on our website.
Yes you should! Or even better turn it into a screen saver ;-)
PS Where's me flippin T-Shirt?? ......Hang on I feel like I need to
get into my wheely bin again, where's me egg whisk and plunger ;-)
R. Guillaume
rus...@club-internet.fr (R. Guillaume) wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>I need some experts advice for the advertising of an A.V. product.
>The name is VIGUARD antivirus, by TEAGAM INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY.
>The advertisig on the box is;
Thank you for every answer, i have appreciated but no mistake, i agree
with you, i just would obtain informations for give to people they
pretend that viguard, etc.. if you want to contact theirs e-mail it's;
i gave them the address of you website...
R.GUILLAUME
email: rus...@clubNOSPAM-internet.fr
Tarkan Yetiser
In article <63kj0i$g01$1...@chlorine.compulink.co.uk>, san...@cix.co.uk
says...
> Martin Overton writes:
> > Or if you're like Alan Solomon, take an axe to it!
>
> We really should get that AVI file up on our website.
A bit off-topic but... Do you know of any software that can covert an
animated GIF into an AVI file? I'm looking to make an AVI out of my Word
macro virus spider animation. Check it out at
http://www.vdsarg.com/perforin/perforin.htm
--
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Guillermito
R. Guillaume wrote:
> I need some experts advice for the advertising of an A.V. product.
> The name is VIGUARD antivirus, by TEAGAM INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY.
> The advertisig on the box is;
Well, they are not the first ones that claim on the
box that they detect all past, present and future
viruses, including HTML, java, javascript, C64 basic,
e-mail, ActiveX, JPG and ZX81 viruses, with 100% detection.
The big problem with antivirus products is their
commercial staff.
I saw the guys from TEGAM international on a conference
about viruses in Paris. There was the director and the
main programmer. I think the really incredible thing in
this product is that the main coder is something like
17 or 18 years old.
> For me it's a hoax, a lie, how can this product detect new signatures
> and clean files without update database?
> That what i told to people when he published classify in a newsgroup
> for this software... But he answer me i was wrong, whitout any other
> explanations except the advertising...
I agree with you. Although an heuristic analyzer, an
integrity checker, a resident watchdog and other
classical things not always linked to a precise
virus database are important, the main piece of an
antivirus package is always a scanner with an up-to-date
database. It's not a surprise if the best softwares
around (DrSolomon, AVP, F-Prot for example) propose
new adds to their signature database each week or each
month.
> What does specialists of A.V. Soft think about this?
Ooops... I'm not an AV specialist :)
(et si tu t'interesses aux virus, tu peux aller
jeter un oeil sur ma page :)
--
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Wayne Riddle
In article <63jqhn$opp$1...@newsfeeds.grolier.fr>, rus...@club-internet.fr
says...
> "The only A.V. soft of the market it will never need any update and
> able to detect any virus passed, present and future..."
>
>
Want to buy a bridge too?
--
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/riddler/
Fridrik Skulason
>"The only A.V. soft of the market it will never need any update and
>able to detect any virus passed, present and future..."
Quite a few companies have made claims like this in the past - none of them
are still distributing version 1.0 of their product...I wonder why ? :-)
Seriously, though, it *IS* possible to detect every single virus, at the
cost of getting a huge number of false positives. For example a program can
just report EVERUTHING that changes on a PC as a virus change ... that will get
any current or future virus, but of course it will also flag every program
update or a document change as a virus.
Once the anti-virus product becomes more restrictive in what it reports as a
virus, it opens loopholes, allowing various viruses to slip past unnoticed.
-frisk
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R. Guillaume
tyet...@vdsarg.com (Tarkan Yetiser) wrote:
>In article <63kj0i$g01$1...@chlorine.compulink.co.uk>, san...@cix.co.uk
>says...
>> Martin Overton writes:
>> > Or if you're like Alan Solomon, take an axe to it!
>>
>> We really should get that AVI file up on our website.
>A bit off-topic but... Do you know of any software that can covert an
>animated GIF into an AVI file? I'm looking to make an AVI out of my Word
>macro virus spider animation. Check it out at
I think Adobe Premiere can do that, may be I can try it for you if you
want (I use this software for video).. Send me the GIF file by
e-mail.. But only the animated GIF ok?
R.GUILLAUME
email: rus...@clubNOSPAM-internet.fr
Tarkan Yetiser
In article <63nsr0$fv4$2...@newsfeeds.grolier.fr>, rus...@club-internet.fr
says...
Thank, but Ernest got it done already. The timing is off (too slow) but
it's a start.
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Tarkan Yetiser
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